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by eielef
Sat Jun 20, 2020 5:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Buenos Aires Jorge Newbery AEP to be closed Aug. 1st for 4 months
Replies: 9
Views: 2711

Re: Buenos Aires Jorge Newbery AEP to be closed Aug. 1st for 4 months

I think they don't start working now because they are too poor. I mean, that's the reason for every major delay in the country. Check out hospitals that have been inaugurated three times in the last 6 years!

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by eielef
Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cubana Il-96 - News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 185
Views: 56427

Re: Cubana and their Il-96´s - discussion thread

About T1717, the ex-SU bird: From what I understand it's out of years, not hours. Soviet aircraft had the stupid lifetime put in place in addition to the hours. That doesn't mean it's done, it just means it needs extensions every 2 years. Don't know how much a lifetime extension is on a IL9, I know...

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by eielef
Mon Feb 24, 2020 3:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cubana Il-96 - News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 185
Views: 56427

Re: Cubana and their Il-96´s - discussion thread

viewtopic.php?t=1408947
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SR380 wrote:
Thanks for all the information given. I didn't know those old Domodedovo Airlines Il96 were intended to IR. Where/when did you hear that?

It was a rumour discussed here: viewtopic.php?t=1408947

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by eielef
Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cubana Il-96 - News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 185
Views: 56427

Re: Cubana and their Il-96´s - discussion thread

We can easily know the fate of all IL96s: (list built by myself, sources russianplanes.net and google maps). First the IL96-300 RA-96000 and 96001 prototypes (built 1988-1989), scrapped 2008-2009. 96001 was built for Aeroflot, but never flew the airline. RA-96002 (built 1990, flew Aeroflot 1994-1997...

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by eielef
Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cubana Il-96 - News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 185
Views: 56427

Re: Cubana and their Il-96´s - discussion thread

So we have a mole in VASO! Such fun! So I checked multiple options as to get there. The best would have been to go to Pridacha train station and walk among the rails backwords. But it is strongly forbidden to do so. I then tought: I could spot it from the train. But there are no many commuter train...

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by eielef
Sun Feb 23, 2020 8:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cubana Il-96 - News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 185
Views: 56427

Re: Cubana and their Il-96´s - discussion thread

Hello everybody. I'm right now in Voronezh. I was planning on a short tram ride to VASO, and see if i could make some photos of the Cubana Aircraft. If I'm not mistaken the CU-T1254 is here. But, for those who are familiar with Voronezh, maybe you know that the VASO factories, located in Pridacha (e...

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by eielef
Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020
Replies: 52
Views: 10377

Re: Conviasa resumes Caracas-Damascus in March 2020

A return flight on the DAM-CCS route was 1299USD in Economy, or 2898USD in Business. Not too expensive.
How safe would it be to transit in DAM?

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by eielef
Sat Nov 09, 2019 5:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lufthansa Catering Reductions in economy and premium economy
Replies: 190
Views: 22858

Re: Lufthansa Catering Reductions in economy and premium economy

As WBM says: one can bring a snack along. Define snack. For instance a salad. You need a fork and a knife (for some). You can't board those items to a plane. Say a sandwich then. , i'd love to take, together with my sandwich (which, off course, I'd have to eat cold) a glass of wine. Forbidden to dr...

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by eielef
Sat Nov 09, 2019 7:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lufthansa Catering Reductions in economy and premium economy
Replies: 190
Views: 22858

Re: Lufthansa Catering Reductions in economy and premium economy

LH says that in testing customers preferred the new cold meal over the old hot. Which imho is quite possible considering that the second warm meal was always a bit underwhelming and that the newer sandwiches and wraps are quite good. And it also mirrors the trend noticed in the lounges, where sandw...

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by eielef
Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lufthansa Catering Reductions in economy and premium economy
Replies: 190
Views: 22858

Re: Lufthansa Catering Reductions in economy and premium economy

Lot's of people doesn't have a credit card, or there are some technical difficulties and your card doesn't work. I'd do as Air France that the standard meal is given for free (and is very good, but portions are rather too small) but charge you for a better meal. And, we have a saying that: you can d...

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by eielef
Sat Nov 09, 2019 6:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lufthansa Catering Reductions in economy and premium economy
Replies: 190
Views: 22858

Re: Lufthansa Catering Reductions in economy and premium economy

Isn't it a crime, or an offense, to starve people on board an aircraft? Deprive them of drinking water, if they don't pay? Recently, my sister flew Level, between EZE and BCN. Its a 13 hours flight. If you don't pay, you don't get anything. That means: no water for 13 hours. Isn't that a crime? It s...

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by eielef
Wed Nov 06, 2019 4:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: History behind idiosyncratic IATA airline shortcodes
Replies: 171
Views: 28869

Re: History behind idiosyncratic IATA airline shortcodes

No flight ever uses the AU code. All Austral flights use the AR code, making them indistinguishable from Aerolíneas flights. Meanwhile AG is used by Aruba Airlines. On the other hand, Silver Airways (best known for flying from Florida to the Caribbean, I think) has 3M—an American industrial behemot...

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by eielef
Sun Nov 03, 2019 12:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: History behind idiosyncratic IATA airline shortcodes
Replies: 171
Views: 28869

Re: History behind idiosyncratic IATA airline shortcodes

Why Ryanair and Easy Jet have so unrelated codes, FR and U2?

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by eielef
Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: History behind idiosyncratic IATA airline shortcodes
Replies: 171
Views: 28869

Re: History behind idiosyncratic IATA airline shortcodes

How about we start a company called “Golden Airways” and have the code be “AU”? That would be funny. Austral (that depends of Aerolineas Argentinas) has the code AU. Aerolíneas has the code AR but the call sign ARGENTINA. Considering that Argentina, the name comes from Latin: Argentum, that means S...

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by eielef
Sun Nov 03, 2019 7:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Mauritania Airways Fleet?
Replies: 9
Views: 2425

Re: Mauritania Airways Fleet?

https://www.mauritaniaairlines.mr/images/vols/programme_ete_2019_vfinal.pdf found this, but might be out of date. I used that chart, plus some info from FR24. Their route network is just crazy. Five weekly flights NKC-BZV with 4 intermediate stops? I would bet they are just targeting 5th-freedom tr...

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by eielef
Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: History behind idiosyncratic IATA airline shortcodes
Replies: 171
Views: 28869

Re: History behind idiosyncratic IATA airline shortcodes

Argentinean codes are interesting: AR for Aerolíneas Argentinas (I believe it comes from ARGENTINA which is the call sign from the airline) AU from Austral Líneas Aéreas 4M for LATAM Argentina (sure, nothing else was left. BUT the airline legally was founded as Aerodosmil which is still worse). FO f...

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by eielef
Sat Nov 02, 2019 10:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Mauritania Airways Fleet?
Replies: 9
Views: 2425

Mauritania Airways Fleet?

Last night, I read an announcement of this small African airline: Mauritiania Airlines adds Conakry – Abidjan sector from Nov 2019 Mauritania Airlines starting next month is adding Conakry – Abidjan sector, as the airline extends existing Nouakchott – Dakar – Conakry service to Abidjan. From 03NOV19...

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by eielef
Sat Oct 19, 2019 9:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Kinshasa Airport (DRCongo). How much it improved? Who paid it?
Replies: 7
Views: 2824

Re: Kinshasa Airport (DRCongo). How much it improved? Who paid it?

Abrelosojos posted an incredible TR years ago about his experience departing Kinshasa. Amazing read. I'm sure it's still available on a.net somewhere. I wonder if this will get deleted! I've posted the link above. Photos are not so good anymore. Also, another user named Fasty posted some other amaz...

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by eielef
Sat Oct 19, 2019 6:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Kinshasa Airport (DRCongo). How much it improved? Who paid it?
Replies: 7
Views: 2824

Kinshasa Airport (DRCongo). How much it improved? Who paid it?

Almost 10 years ago, I read this report https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=968849 and felt I needed to visit that place. Kinshasa (and most of the French speaking African nations) have long been in my to-do list. Sometimes there is no time, or then there is no money. Anyway, I remember ...

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by eielef
Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:54 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Ferries, Airports and Vikings! (lots of photos)
Replies: 10
Views: 11581

Re: Ferries, Airports and Vikings! (lots of photos)

Amazing TR! Please continue it soon!

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by eielef
Sat Aug 24, 2019 4:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL angers pax at JFK
Replies: 112
Views: 18047

Re: DL angers pax at JFK

If NYC has bad weather and bad airports, and a very crowded airspace, why do you still sell flights connecting in NYC? Don't offer flights with connection in JFK/EWR/LGA. Do it only with DTW, ORD, IAD, or others. Make it an airport that follows on the demand (which are close to 20Mio people, most of...

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by eielef
Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL angers pax at JFK
Replies: 112
Views: 18047

Re: DL angers pax at JFK

Three factors shape how this impacts passengers. 1. The passenger's frequent flyer status on the airline 2. The passenger's knowledge about how airlines and hotels work 3. The passenger's disposable income The best strategy in these situations is to GET OUT of the airport. If you have a club member...

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by eielef
Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL angers pax at JFK
Replies: 112
Views: 18047

Re: DL angers pax at JFK

Is a worldwide phenomena. Now, passengers are hostages of airlines. Maybe because this non-interference of the state on their policies has made us completely defenseless of the airlines. Similar goes, for example, for phone and internet providers. They call you on the phone, explain you a lot of th...

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by eielef
Fri Aug 23, 2019 6:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL angers pax at JFK
Replies: 112
Views: 18047

Re: DL angers pax at JFK

Normal people in usa seem to have very few rights in front of authority figures. I feel sad for Americans. Is a worldwide phenomena. Now, passengers are hostages of airlines. Maybe because this non-interference of the state on their policies has made us completely defenseless of the airlines. Simil...

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by eielef
Wed Jul 24, 2019 5:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler
Replies: 179
Views: 26087

Re: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler

If they offered you an alternative not to your liking, and you chose to decline, then they've fulfilled their commitment. So they don't owe you anything else. You agreed to that when you bought the ticket. See, they cancelled a flight that had 150 seats sold. They need to put those 150 passengers i...

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by eielef
Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler
Replies: 179
Views: 26087

Re: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler

Not all the time. If you buy a higher priced ticket, you'll find that you can be transferred to another airline at no cost. This is where interlining agreements comes in - airline will agree to a set rate to accept transferred passenger, and if what you paid matches or even exceeds the rate, you wi...

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by eielef
Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler
Replies: 179
Views: 26087

Re: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler

Yes, you are clearly right here. But it is not worth a refund. It isn't what I really need. Say you paid for the A-B flight 100$ 10 months ago. Now, it costs 500$. And, if the airline cancels, and you need to search another airline that will fly that route, it could cost you 1000$. AA refunds you t...

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by eielef
Tue Jul 23, 2019 11:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler
Replies: 179
Views: 26087

Re: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler

No. The American CoC clearly state that in the event of a cancellation caused by itself, passengers may request a refund. Rebooking your delayed/canceled flight When your flight is canceled or a delay will cause you to miss your connection, we'll rebook you on the next flight with available seats. ...

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by eielef
Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler
Replies: 179
Views: 26087

Re: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler

The company is cheating you when they don't allow you to fly a segment for which you have already paid! Why can't I cheat the company? I repeat: they were the ones to set the price. I accepted and paid. If it was too cheap, how can I be responsible? Yeah, but don't forget that a ticket is also a bi...

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by eielef
Fri Jul 19, 2019 7:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler
Replies: 179
Views: 26087

Re: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler

Well if we follow your analogy, card counting should be allowed & casinos should just let it be - but in reality, you'd be kicked out faster than you can say "hit me". Casinos are a different thing, and counting cards, at least in UK and US, is not illegal. Even more: Atlantic City ca...

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by eielef
Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler
Replies: 179
Views: 26087

Re: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler

Some years ago, I checked that the EZE-FCO-EZE flight in AR costed 1500U$S while the ASU-EZE-FCO-EZE-ASU costed 800U$S. So what to do? Easy. Buy a one way ticket to ASU, fly from there to EZE, enjoy Rome, and when you land back in EZE, just leave the airport and loose the second segment. "hidde...

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by eielef
Fri Jul 19, 2019 6:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler
Replies: 179
Views: 26087

Re: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler

No, the no-show policy is the airline engaging in loss prevention; after all, if you didn't take the flight to XXX, how are they expecting you'll be able to fly back from XXX? That's why they cancel all downline and return space when you no-show a flight. It enables the airlines to try and re-sell ...

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by eielef
Thu Jul 18, 2019 11:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler
Replies: 179
Views: 26087

Re: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler

Otherwise, start paying more. That will solve the issue. Do you think you are paying little? After you add all the "add ons" in Subway, your sandwich certainly cost a hundred bucks. Do you think we are paying cheap? A return flight, LAX-MIA, is over 500U$S. That's a lot of money, for a ec...

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by eielef
Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler
Replies: 179
Views: 26087

Re: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler

Apples are different than a flight. You can recover an apple, you can't recover a flight that you didn't take yesterday now can you? In any case, apples are priced in a way that you can recover the cost of that apple & profit from each piece of apple. You can't do that for a flight. Say it was ...

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by eielef
Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler
Replies: 179
Views: 26087

Re: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler

I simulated a booking using the AA.com website. The route is LAX-MIA-LAX, using a fare called Main Cabin, which is like Economy class, but with less restrictions than the basic fare that this guy on the post paid. Certainly over 150U$S more expensive (578$rt vs 423$rt). When you come to the last par...

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by eielef
Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler
Replies: 179
Views: 26087

Re: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler

Why? What difference does it make for the airline, what is the perjury, that this person didn't fly the VLC-MAD route? At the end of the day, it happened something good to Iberia. One less passenger to feed, to carry, less airport taxes to pay, less fuel consumed in the airline, and eventually one ...

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by eielef
Thu Jul 18, 2019 6:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler
Replies: 179
Views: 26087

Re: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler

I believe the no-show policy is a way of extra revenue for the airline, which should seriously be outlawed. In multiple rulings by European courts, I specifically mention a recent one in Spain (https://www.expansion.com/empresas/transporte/2018/12/18/5c193222e2704e4b7e8b46d2.html) that has made it i...

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by eielef
Thu Jul 11, 2019 11:05 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Ural Airlines - Montpellier to Moscow - No photos
Replies: 2
Views: 2480

Ural Airlines - Montpellier to Moscow - No photos

Dear everyone. I enjoy reading your trip reports, but I mostly don't write any, as my written English has some mistakes (maybe too many) and I'm never inspired to write about anything. I don't fly business or first class, and I'm always in sort of a hurry to leave the airplane and airfield as soon a...

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by eielef
Sat Jun 08, 2019 5:05 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Why doesn't Aeroflot fly to Punta Cana and Cancun anymore?
Replies: 8
Views: 2719

Re: Why doesn't Aeroflot fly to Punta Cana and Cancun anymore?

Actually, many passengers of the HAV-SVO flights come from either MEX and CUN, as SU and AM sell tickets between Russia and Mexico with a short connection in Havana. Is interesting, as Russians are one of the very few countries who neither need a visa or a tourist card to visit Cuba. There have been...

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by eielef
Fri May 17, 2019 4:33 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: A much needed debate on carry on luggage.
Replies: 127
Views: 9915

Re: A much needed debate on carry on luggage.

And now has proven to be deadly. Fuel surcharge is actually a legal requirement in some countries, it's the law. Airlines must mention this. However it is not a fee on top of the ticket price, it's just a mentioning of how much of the ticket price is spent on fuel. Just like airlines often mention ...

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by eielef
Mon May 13, 2019 8:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead
Replies: 832
Views: 157230

Re: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/05/ ... ies-a65549
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Interesting opinion article about how fast we run to find who is to blame, and we want sometimes to be bigger than what it is.
https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/05/ ... ies-a65549

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by eielef
Sat May 11, 2019 6:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead
Replies: 832
Views: 157230

Re: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead

Similar happens with the on-board safety cards. Try to wear a life vest using those instructions. Is completely impossible. Also, in some countries where English is not the official language, most crew members have a very bad accent, even an irritating one. I think they could use a voice recording, ...

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by eielef
Fri May 10, 2019 11:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead
Replies: 832
Views: 157230

Re: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead

At a large airfield with multiple runways, I would advocate splitting the units between more than one fire station to enable a quicker response. But that costs $$$, so I have no idea if anywhere actually does that. I suspect I know the answer. :roll: A lot of larger airports do indeed have ‘remote’...

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by eielef
Fri May 10, 2019 6:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead
Replies: 832
Views: 157230

Re: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead

As far as the safety demonstrations, the FAA states that they must include very few items: (1 ban of smoking, 2 seat belts, 3 seat backs in the upright position, 4 emergency exits, 5 survival equipment, 6 flotation equipment, 7 oxygen masks, 8 fire extinguishers, 9 life preservers (in helicopters). ...

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by eielef
Fri May 10, 2019 6:51 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: A much needed debate on carry on luggage.
Replies: 127
Views: 9915

Re: A much needed debate on carry on luggage.

I agree with you. But make it very clear and if possible universal. The rules change for each airline. No, please don't make it universal! It is a good thing each airline is allowed to set it's own policy, it differentiates the airlines from each other. It gives the customer something to choose. As...

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by eielef
Thu May 09, 2019 8:15 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: A much needed debate on carry on luggage.
Replies: 127
Views: 9915

Re: A much needed debate on carry on luggage.

How about making small cabin bags free? That would probably reduce the volume of cabin cargo by a bit. I agree with you. But make it very clear and if possible universal. The rules change for each airline. Some have a certain size, while others have both size and weight, and it changes very often. ...

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by eielef
Thu May 09, 2019 7:41 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: A much needed debate on carry on luggage.
Replies: 127
Views: 9915

Re: A much needed debate on carry on luggage.

Make check in bag free, do not keep charging for it. That would be unfair towards the people without checked luggage. In aviation there is no such thing as free, it is incorporated in the ticket price. This would mean people without checked luggage pay for something they don't use. They would feel ...

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by eielef
Thu May 09, 2019 9:05 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: A much needed debate on carry on luggage.
Replies: 127
Views: 9915

Re: A much needed debate on carry on luggage.

If the passenger has no choice, even better. That is guaranteed revenue. But the airline has already insane revenue charging for many other things, like food, snacks, priority boarding, choosing a seat, changing a date or route, even changing the name of the passenger. The funniest is that some air...

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by eielef
Thu May 09, 2019 8:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead
Replies: 832
Views: 157230

Re: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead

Often after a plan crash, airlines change the flight number of their following flights. I'm not sure why. But Aeroflot still operates the daily SU1492, route SVO-MMK, that departs at 17:50 and lands at 20:35. I'm not sure why they haven't change the flight number, but they have changed the aircraft ...

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