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by FX1816
Sun Nov 15, 2020 11:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Eastern Airlines getting a 777
Replies: 96
Views: 28112

Re: Eastern Airlines getting a 777

why is it you focus on AGE as if that matters as to How the airframe has been Maintained? I'll bet there are still DC8's flying that are older than you ! It's not the Age of the airframe it's how it was maintained! when I was still at United we sold airplanes that went on to fly for another 15 year...

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by FX1816
Sat Oct 24, 2020 4:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2020
Replies: 1529
Views: 206169

Re: AA Retires All Airbus A330-200s

All US carriers who use to have cargo planes got rid of them. [/i] Which US carriers? The now big 3 all had some sort of cargo divisions years ago. United had a fleet of DC * cargo jets AA had 707's and DL had a Lockheed model of some sort in the 70's. As best I recall, AA got out of the cargo (fre...

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by FX1816
Sat Oct 24, 2020 3:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2020
Replies: 1529
Views: 206169

Re: AA Retires All Airbus A330-200s

AA does not seem to like Airbus widebodies . First, they retired the 300, then the 333, and now the 332. I don't think they will order the 350. They also retired the 707, 727, 737 classic, 747, 757, 767. So clearly they don't like Boeing airplanes also. They also retired the MD-11, DC-10, MD-80. So...

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by FX1816
Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SoCal Boneyard Storage and Activity Thread
Replies: 1031
Views: 145494

Re: SoCal Boneyard Storage and Activity Thread

Any update on the stored Interjet Airbus's at CNO and the Alaska 737's stored at ONT. My impression was that the Interjet Airbuses were still there and the Alaska 737s have left, but I'm not certain - will check next time I'm in the area. The Alaska 737's at ONT are quite strange in that many start...

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by FX1816
Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NAV CANADA announces workforce reductions
Replies: 52
Views: 6014

Re: NAV CANADA announces workforce reductions

OKC is open, has been since July although I don't know how large class sizes are. I have a friend that started basics back in March but had to leave after week 1. She continued to do basics via Zoom and then drove back to OKC in late July. Not really sure how that's working. I guess they're immedia...

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by FX1816
Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NAV CANADA announces workforce reductions
Replies: 52
Views: 6014

Re: NAV CANADA announces workforce reductions

That’s ridiculous to let go of people who were weeks away from finishing I couldn't imagine going through the academy and coming within weeks of CPC for this to happen. It's bad enough with all of the trainees in my facility (and everywhere, of course) who were days or weeks from CPC or a pay bump ...

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by FX1816
Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A little light hearted ATC fun...
Replies: 51
Views: 8133

Re: A little light hearted ATC fun...

Yes, I liken an Air Traffic Facility to that of a locker room. There are many discussions that go on that probably shouldn't but that is how it is. I'd say over 90% of the people I've worked with at my 4 facilities are great people that work hard but sometimes things get "crazy" with Type...

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by FX1816
Wed Sep 16, 2020 6:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A little light hearted ATC fun...
Replies: 51
Views: 8133

Re: A little light hearted ATC fun...

My friend, and I respect you a lot, you're missing the point. You can't just write it off as "you can't criticize because you don't know what our job is like". What you're missing is that this isn't appropriate ANYWHERE, in ANY workplace, much less in one where what you do is broadcast, a...

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by FX1816
Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pan Am coming back ... yet again..
Replies: 96
Views: 16993

Re: Pan Am coming back ... yet again..

OMG, Will you just stop all of this. Hey why don't we pool our money and start up some of the old US regional airlines, North Central, Ozark, Air West. etc. We already have Southern, and Frontier How about PSA, Western, Air California....Anyone?? Well since Frontier has been around for a little ove...

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by FX1816
Wed Sep 16, 2020 5:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A little light hearted ATC fun...
Replies: 51
Views: 8133

Re: A little light hearted ATC fun...

So a few overworked controllers in a severely understaffed agency keeping it light at work are now racist bigots for the way they pronounce an intersection? Interesting. We're immature, get over it. Wow. Allow me to respond. It isn't a question of how someone "pronounces an intersection"....

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by FX1816
Fri Sep 11, 2020 8:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SoCal Boneyard Storage and Activity Thread
Replies: 1031
Views: 145494

Re: SoCal Boneyard Storage and Activity Thread

FedEx A300-600F N654FE exited storage VCV-ANC as FX9817. Note the quick left turn after rotation. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n654fe Off of RWY35 it looks like he was issued either left turn direct PMD or left turn heading 250 on departure. Since there are no SIDS they can turn pret...

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by FX1816
Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alaska Airlines Fleet/Network Thread 2020
Replies: 946
Views: 84433

Re: Alaska Airlines Network Thread 2020

Flying out of ONT the other day, and was interesting to note 13 Alaska/Horizon aircraft parked in a holding area between T2 and the International arrival terminal. It appeared to be a mix of E175 and B737 aircraft, in tight line up, and with engine intake covered. Are there other smaller stations i...

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by FX1816
Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG 9/8/2020:OH THE HUMANITY;AA+DAB-DFW/PHL;AM Cuts;DL+LAXSAL,Suspends PVG?;NK Exits IAG/PBG/GSO?;UA Suspends ITH/MHT
Replies: 53
Views: 9046

Re: OAG 9/8/2020:OH THE HUMANITY;AA+DAB-DFW/PHL;AM Cuts;DL+LAXSAL,Suspends PVG?;NK Exits IAG/PBG/GSO?;UA Suspends ITH/MH

Thanks again for the thread this week. It's a pleasure to look at, even if there are sad, deep deep cuts in it. **DL ONT-SEA NOV 0.4>2.0[0] DEC 0>2[0] JAN 0>2[0] FEB 0>2[0] MAR 0>2[0] APR 0>2[0] MAY 0>2[0] JUN 0>2[0] DL actually had me worried because originally this was bookable only for October. ...

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by FX1816
Sat Sep 05, 2020 6:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest launch service to Miami & Palm Springs
Replies: 209
Views: 26401

Re: Southwest launch service to Miami & Palm Springs

Does PSP have two gates for WN? It’s not a huge airport. Absolutely, it will only be about 6 total flights a day. The regional terminal has been getting worked on for a couple months so it will be open again soon. I can't imagine they would really have a need for 2 gates. Pre-COVID I thought the So...

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by FX1816
Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest launch service to Miami & Palm Springs
Replies: 209
Views: 26401

Re: Southwest launch service to Miami & Palm Springs

As for PSP, I'd think top candidates for service would be OAK and/or SJC, PHX, and DEN. Maybe MDW in the winter season. I don't know about LAS - that'd be a really short flight, even shorter than OAK-RNO. It's actually very surprising to me that LAS-PSP is unserved. It may be short as the crow flie...

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by FX1816
Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest launch service to Miami & Palm Springs
Replies: 209
Views: 26401

Re: Southwest launch service to Miami & Palm Springs

Assuming the Latin American gateway is done, I would not be shocked if FLL is trimmed to just ATL/BNA/BWI/HOU/DAL and maybe SJU a year or two from now. No need to fly MDW year-round either, that flying can be shifted to MIA. DEN/LAS/PHX can also be shifted to MIA. ISP is a bit of a niche route so i...

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by FX1816
Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did Flying Tiger Line ever order the L-1011?
Replies: 15
Views: 2279

Re: Did Flying Tiger Line ever order the L-1011?

PA12 wrote:
Both Arrow Air and Fine Air had them, I don’t know how many. I think Millon Air did too.


Yup Arrow Air had 3 (N306-308GB). Fine had 1 (N260FA) which I believe was the former Millon Air one. Tradewinds had 1 also (N311EA).

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by FX1816
Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did the Airbus a340 outsell the MD-11?
Replies: 136
Views: 19549

Re: Why did the Airbus a340 outsell the MD-11?

There was a plan to put the A330/A340 wing onto a stretched MD-11 fuselage to be named the AM300. It was set to challenge the 747 and could be configured with either the standard MD-11 or A340 cockpit. I imagine if MD had re winged the MD-11 from the beginning rather than just putting wingtips onto...

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by FX1816
Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DC-8-73F N807DH.....What's Up With This A/C
Replies: 27
Views: 8686

Re: DC-8-73F N807DH.....What's Up With This A/C

I’m wondering where they found the pilots. Is there a DC-8 sim in the states? I’ve been sidelined for months I’ll go fly the thing. On a recent Samaritan's Purse flight to IAD, controller from the tower asked the same question. The pilot answered that they are all ex DHL pilots. They bought Airborn...

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by FX1816
Sun Aug 09, 2020 3:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Western Airlines questions
Replies: 72
Views: 9845

Re: Western Airlines questions

Agree about the Bud Light livery - but I didn't like Eastern's either, and never liked the American Airlines Silverbird - they were all great when clean and polished, but . . . Also Flying Tigers, Hawaiian, Pacific Western, Cathay Pacific Cargo, Skywest and People Express wore similar, silver liver...

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by FX1816
Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SoCal Boneyard Storage and Activity Thread
Replies: 1031
Views: 145494

Re: SoCal Boneyard Storage and Activity Thread

Northrop Grumman L1011 N140SC flew MHV-EDW yesterday (August 6) as FFL374....possibly a new role? But what's really strange is the ForeFlight callsign, ForeFlight is a Boeing Company software app...(see 2nd link). Furthermore, this is her 2nd visit to EDW in 1 month, and I've heard that she's parke...

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by FX1816
Sat Aug 08, 2020 3:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SoCal Boneyard Storage and Activity Thread
Replies: 1031
Views: 145494

Re: SoCal Boneyard Storage and Activity Thread

Northrop Grumman L1011 N140SC flew MHV-EDW yesterday (August 6) as FFL374....possibly a new role? But what's really strange is the ForeFlight callsign, ForeFlight is a Boeing Company software app...(see 2nd link). Furthermore, this is her 2nd visit to EDW in 1 month, and I've heard that she's parke...

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by FX1816
Thu Aug 06, 2020 7:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SoCal Boneyard Storage and Activity Thread
Replies: 1031
Views: 145494

Re: SoCal Boneyard Storage and Activity Thread

UPS 747-8F N606UP filed HNL-SBD 8:21AM - 4:34AM as 5X9867. Filed out on SBD-SDF 6:42AM - 1:13PM as 5X2623. If this becomes regular service these posts will stop, however it seems that for now there is no concrete evidence to support that. https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n606up https://w...

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by FX1816
Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Atlas (GTI) Callsign "Qantas" (QFA)
Replies: 18
Views: 3532

Re: Atlas (GTI) Callsign "Qantas" (QFA)

Yeah, okay. But you don't need a long-term wet lease with a sticker by the door to fly under somebody else's callsign. If you're doing subservice for them, that will often be the case as well. And certainly with Military. Used to be all sorts of flights by CRAF participants were "Reach" f...

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by FX1816
Mon Aug 03, 2020 7:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Northwest Orient and Northwest Airlines
Replies: 61
Views: 12717

Re: Northwest Orient and Northwest Airlines

So I live in Detroit and remember the Northwest-Republic merger. At first, the word "Republic" was simply covered with "Northwest Orient". Then, as the new livery came out (which was the bowling shoe), "Orient" was dropped. My memory of your timeline is a little differ...

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by FX1816
Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020
Replies: 92
Views: 13795

Re: DHL Network & Fleet Thread - 2020

And finally, not quite DHL but operated by Kalitta Charters II: N725CK seems to be stopping by VCV an awful lot lately. Is it not based out of Lexington and/or leased to Tex Sutton any more? I believe you mean SBD, and although I’m not 100% sure who operates it, I have seen it fly to SBD numerous t...

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by FX1816
Thu Jun 25, 2020 2:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SoCal Boneyard Storage and Activity Thread
Replies: 1031
Views: 145494

Re: SoCal Boneyard Storage and Activity Thread

Delete this post please!

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by FX1816
Sun May 24, 2020 6:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SoCal Boneyard Storage and Activity Thread
Replies: 1031
Views: 145494

Re: SoCal Boneyard Storage and Activity Thread

Looks like the duo of American Eagle CRJ-900ERs will be leaving VCV tomorrow (Sunday May 24) at 1:30PM local. Anyone know why they were here? Unlikely for maintenance as AA have their own MX bases. I doubt they’d want to spend money on a repaint. Possible charter??? AA9883 is N944LR headed to PHX, ...

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by FX1816
Sun May 24, 2020 5:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SoCal Boneyard Storage and Activity Thread
Replies: 1031
Views: 145494

Re: SoCal Boneyard Storage and Activity Thread

Looks like the duo of American Eagle CRJ-900ERs will be leaving VCV tomorrow (Sunday May 24) at 1:30PM local. Anyone know why they were here? Unlikely for maintenance as AA have their own MX bases. I doubt they’d want to spend money on a repaint. Possible charter??? AA9883 is N944LR headed to PHX, ...

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by FX1816
Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southern California Airports Covid19 Thread
Replies: 37
Views: 5644

Re: Southern California Airports Covid19 Thread

The new FedEx cargo ramp and sorting facilities are coming along nicely at ONT. Is that the construction taking place off East Airport Drive, the northern “ring road?” Yes, it is on the northwest end of the airport, the old west cargo ramp. It also is part of the old Lockheed facility. For PSP, the...

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by FX1816
Sun Apr 19, 2020 6:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: FedEx to reactivate parked aircraft
Replies: 183
Views: 62193

Re: Updated: FedEx to reactivate parked aircraft

FlyingElvii wrote:
Looking at the Victorville departures for today, a FedEx MD11 went to LAX, UAL moved a 789 back to SFO, and Air Canada moved a 788 to YVR.

More cargo capacity coming back from desert parking??


The UAL B789 and ACA B788 left after painting in to the new liveries.

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by FX1816
Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta storing their fleet at MZJ?
Replies: 43
Views: 13959

Re: Delta storing their fleet at MZJ?

I have heard the news that Delta is temporarily storing a 1/3 of their fleet due to the Coronavirus outbreak, but why are they storing them at a boneyard? Delta has several hubs, but is it cheaper to store aircraft at MZJ rather than leave them at their main hubs? I have noticed that Atlas Air also...

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by FX1816
Fri Mar 13, 2020 9:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Does a used Airbus A319 start making sense again at these sort oil prices?
Replies: 41
Views: 8236

Re: Does a used Airbus A319 start making sense again at these sort oil prices?

UA and AA have been buying used A319s for parts and for capacity for years. Lower oil prices makes them even more attractive. Whether or not there is the demand to fill them is now another question. American and United have been buying "Matched" A319's American's via USAir had CFM-56's mo...

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by FX1816
Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2019
Replies: 993
Views: 190064

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

It's definitely not PHX, but possibly TUS. I don't see a body of water at the end of the runway. Although I don't see water, perhaps can't rule out an airport on the Big Island of Hawaii, especially on the leeward (relatively dry) side. It does not look like LAS as the mountains appear to be too cl...

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by FX1816
Fri Oct 04, 2019 2:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?
Replies: 113
Views: 19958

Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

I'm well aware that all 34 of the WN 7M8s are currently in long-term storage at VCV. I was pointing out that they are not visible on Google Earth. The imagery was taken before the grounding. The images were taken last year, at the latest. They still show the former Arizona One sitting on the apron,...

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by FX1816
Thu Oct 03, 2019 9:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?
Replies: 113
Views: 19958

Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

The Southwest aircraft visible on Google Earth are not the 7M8, they're the retired 733s, as well as (I believe) some of the remaining retired 735s. There is one 73G as well. There ARE over 20 SWA B38M's parked up at VCV to go along with the retired B733's. VCV has no former SWA B735's. I'm well aw...

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by FX1816
Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?
Replies: 113
Views: 19958

Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

You can see most of the South West MAXs on Google Earth at George AFB (Victorville) east side apron. At least 20 of them there. EDIT: There are 12 more (not sure if all MAX) just north west of that cluster too. The Southwest aircraft visible on Google Earth are not the 7M8, they're the retired 733s...

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by FX1816
Thu Oct 03, 2019 6:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?
Replies: 113
Views: 19958

Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

Scarebus34 wrote:
FX1816 wrote:
UltimateDelta wrote:
United's just moved to GYR within the last month or so; previously they'd been at IAH and one other hub (LAX maybe? Not 100% sure).


I saw two UAL B39M's at LAX as recently as July 28.

I must applaud you for correctly using B39M.


:) Thanks, I'm an ATC for the past 11 years is why.

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by FX1816
Tue Oct 01, 2019 4:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?
Replies: 113
Views: 19958

Re: 737MAX Storage, Where are they?

UltimateDelta wrote:
United's just moved to GYR within the last month or so; previously they'd been at IAH and one other hub (LAX maybe? Not 100% sure).


I saw two UAL B39M's at LAX as recently as July 28.

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by FX1816
Mon Sep 16, 2019 5:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA CLT growth
Replies: 120
Views: 22864

Re: AA CLT growth

I know this sounds crazy at first, but hear me out: FAT. No, it's crazy on the 2nd and 3rd thought, too. When ATL-ONT has struggled over the years something like CLT-FAT has no chance. Be happy with the DFW frequencies. You wouldn't just be overflying DFW, CLT has less than half the O&D traffic...

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by FX1816
Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: Is Hawaiian Airlines going to fly nonstop to Orlando?
Replies: 18
Views: 3987

Re: Is Hawaiian Airlines going to fly nonstop to Orlando?

I see Ontario, Oakland and Osaka. No Orlando. Interesting that it has ONT in the list, HAL stopped serving ONT late 2004. It’s clearly shown as a discontinued destination. Surprised it was that long ago though. You're right, the computer I was using at the time didn't have any of the markings showi...

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by FX1816
Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:22 pm
Forum: Aviation Hobby
Topic: eBay Preorder Question
Replies: 4
Views: 3110

Re: eBay Preorder Question

Just curious what the group thinks . I pre-ordered a 1:200 BA B744 in the special Landor Livery back in late March. Is it the InFlight200 model? If so then that is why there is such a wait. InFlight is very, VERY inconsistent with their announcements and actual delivery. I pre order with a shop nea...

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by FX1816
Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: Is Hawaiian Airlines going to fly nonstop to Orlando?
Replies: 18
Views: 3987

Re: Is Hawaiian Airlines going to fly nonstop to Orlando?

a318 wrote:
I see Ontario, Oakland and Osaka. No Orlando.


Interesting that it has ONT in the list, HAL stopped serving ONT late 2004.

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by FX1816
Mon Jul 08, 2019 6:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta A220 route additions
Replies: 350
Views: 30785

Re: SFO, ATL, SJC, MSY, SNA, FAI, LAS to gain A220 service by year-end 2019

Surprised not to see ONT get some C-Series (A220) love for their ONT-SLC ops. Since they use the 717, A319, CRJ's, and once in a blue moon the 738. A B738 once in a blue moon? DAL1788 SLC-ONT and DAL2153 ONT-SLC has been a B738 for quite a while now. This past week they were also running a B738 on ...

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by FX1816
Sun Jun 09, 2019 2:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pleasant Hawaiian Holidays and American Trans Air
Replies: 21
Views: 3979

Re: Pleasant Hawaiian Holidays and American Trans Air

I flew ATA LAX-HNL-LAX in July of 1998. It was a package my parents had purchased from Pleasant Hawaiian. It was a nice flight both ways. We left LAX around 1030 and then arrived back at LAX 10 days later at around 2230.

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by FX1816
Wed May 29, 2019 5:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is the MD11 a dodgy aircraft?
Replies: 35
Views: 9799

Re: Is the MD11 a dodgy aircraft?

Several MD-11s and one DC-10 (UA232) have done it. Not to quibble, but UA 232 was not a hard landing -> broken wing spar -> roll, it literally cartwheeled across the field due to loss of control because of the hydraulic routing issue. Someone posted in the tech ops thread (I think) that an essentia...

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by FX1816
Sat May 04, 2019 5:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why doesn't America have an international leisure airline?
Replies: 56
Views: 10232

Re: Why doesn't America have an international leisure airline?

Cultural and geographic. Brit's holding passport: 75% Canadians holding passport: 60% Americans holding passport: 36% The geography is important both on the point about "cultural issues" and on the larger question in the thread, I think. Consider this statistic: Brits who need a passport ...

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by FX1816
Sat Apr 27, 2019 10:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest's 737-200s
Replies: 36
Views: 8389

Re: Southwest's 737-200s

I don't have specific dates for everything, but on May 3, 2002, SWAPA signed the Side-Letter with SWA outlining the -200 drawdown and I know it was implemented very shortly (possibly the next month) afterwards. I believe we were down to 50 -200's then and they were sequestered to the DAL/HOU domici...

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by FX1816
Sun Apr 07, 2019 1:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2019
Replies: 1136
Views: 180665

Re: Amazon Fleet Discussion - 2019

The only 2 ABX 767's we had at ONT were both white tails. One was all white and the other had the ABX Air titles on the fuselage with the small stripes.

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by FX1816
Fri Apr 05, 2019 1:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LAX moves forward with plans for Terminal 0 and 9
Replies: 202
Views: 42706

Re: LAX moves forward with plans for Terminal 0 and 9

WALmsp wrote:
FX1816 wrote:
SRT75 wrote:
So where do FedEx and the cargo operators go?


FedEx is moving to ONT.


Why would these new terminals affect cargo carriers? Their ops are on the south side of the runways, way from all the construction.


It won't matter for FedEx either way as they will be moving the operation to ONT anyways.

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