"No more possibilities to improve" simply doesn't apply in the world of commercial aviation. Demand is always ebbing and flowing, competitive forces are ever-changing, facility constraints come and go, fleets are under near-constant renewal/replacement... need I go on? Many of these chang...Jump to post
I'm saying that it's silly to claim that ongoing optimization of routes between carriers is proof of a failed JV. Not sure you understand "optimization" very well. It's not a buzzword or a cool PowerPoint word. It's a formal university science. By its very definition, "ongoing optimi...Jump to post
@Lootess Stay on facts. Like it or not, bankruptcy judges can - and sometimes do - overrule management recommendations. Therefore Delta could lose not only its investments, but also its JVs. The judges should be impartial and decide things based on the quantified financial interests of creditors, no...Jump to post
Certainly a lot of hogwash talk about AM wanting to change course, CEO Andrés isn't going anywhere and Delta loaned him Mike as his COO for a time. There is no mumblings in Atlanta that anything is going to change with AM. You missed the point that Andres is not fully in charge anymore. The bankrup...Jump to post
but no one has actually offered a reason why LA or AM or VS, assuming they come out the other end of this would have any reason to walk away from JVs that, by all accounts, work well enough. The reason these carriers are easy to flip is that Delta wasn't a great network fit for them to begin with a...Jump to post
A mention on the passing of Capt. Emily Howell Warner, the first female pilot hired at a US scheduled airline (original Frontier)! Emily was also the first female captain (737) and captain of the first all-female crew at a US scheduled airline, again original Frontier. Her Frontier uniform is on di...Jump to post
kavok wrote:You can basically break the US down in a series of tiers
Is it time for Delta to look into either leaving SkyTeam, drop and/or add new JV partners and overall new partners? Delta’s current partners of Aeroméxico, Virgin Atlantic, LATAM, and Virgin Australia are not in the best financial situations. And their CEO Ed Bastian has said that SkyTeam has not f...Jump to post
PA12 although ELP does see widebodies today, it’s odd to see a passenger widebody there. Today (especially compared with 70’s/80’s/90’s) there are fewer widebodies in scheduled US domestic service. They’re almost all used on international routes instead. So passenger widebodies rarely go to medium-s...Jump to post
How long ago were those carriers 8x? I've never seen any DC-10 in other than 2x5x2, going back to 1982. In McDD diagrams from the early -70’s I’ve only seen the 2-4-2 config. Not sure when the change to 2-5-2 happened but by the -80’s all I saw was 2-5-2 on DC-10’s in US, with one exception. World ...Jump to post
Why did AA not buy JI and it did by QQ? This is a great and thought-provoking topic. That was a long time ago, but here's how I remember it. In the case of both SJC and RDU, AA shut down unprofitable hubs, so it's surprising that they'd reacquire either. But SJC changed dramatically. AA shut the SJ...Jump to post
Hate to tell you, but AA bonds for 2025 have been trading at a bigger discount (implying a greater likelihood of non-payment) than are Gol's bonds Apples and oranges. There is no record of successful reorganization in Brazil. So this difference probably says that Gol’s risk of liquidation is lower ...Jump to post
Very interesting. The article says Delta is negotiating repayment delays with creditors. On the one hand, that sounds like it could give Gol more time to repay the loan themselves. On the other, by doing this Delta would appear to acknowledge liability for the loan. Besides Covid, Gol is also affect...Jump to post
I doubt many people are avoiding ATL when flying from the northeast to the west. '902 Check the DOT traffic stats. Sounds like you're in for a surprise. This is silly talk at the levels of service and demand that is currently flying. :checkmark: :checkmark: Nobody is pitching to anyone about anythi...Jump to post
I know of one airline that used many tugs (tractors for baggage carts) that were 30-40 years old. Due to their age, they required occasional maintenance, but not much. Another airline had a special mechanic just for ground equipment who would visit all the stations in a region. These tugs were extre...Jump to post
I see, thank you. The L15 mentioned above (shortened fuselage L10) sounds like it might have high seat-mile costs, especially if they used a 3-class configuration. Between the CASM, the small point-to-point market, and post-bubble Japanese economy you can imagine the route struggling for profitabili...Jump to post
LAX772LR wrote:x1234 wrote:because their MD-11 couldn't reach ATL-NRT non-stop.
...except that DL flew nonstop ATL-NRT with MD11s for years on end.
That's probably part of the reason for a 16% cut in pilots even though the demand decline (7,000, if that's the number into 2021) is much steeper. I wouldn't be confident that other crafts, nor admin nor management, will fare so well. The training needs may be very different. I think you're right a...Jump to post
jfklganyc wrote:16 percent reduction in pilots
Sucks, but that is one of the better scenarios.
I dare say it probably isnt deep enough if current trends hold. More could follow
What about Europe? does Latam has lot of traffic? who's winning the most with their demise? LH? IB? AF? AZ? Excuse me, what demise? LATAM's not being liquidated. Now, Sao Paulo GRU is the main hub to Europe for LATAM. LIM & SCL have 1-2 flights/day to MAD (SCL/LIM) and BCN (LIM). LATAM Chile wa...Jump to post
ILikeTrains wrote:Delta(UK) would get control of LHR hub.
Delta stubed their toe in buying these four A350s. Now Delta is trying to heal the owie. The fox outfoxed itself. I wonder if any heads will roll? :old: You could also ask that question about the Delta investment of $2.3B in LATAM. It's a lot of money to lose. And the outcome is not unforeseeable. ...Jump to post
With that logic, any major expense any airline undertook in 2019 can be seen as dumb. No. What’s different here is that the asset bought (LATAM shares) likely ceases to exist. Other investments such as airplanes would see a temporary drop in value but would at least still remain possessions of Delt...Jump to post
This is sad for the people of LATAM. It's a great airline. I hope their reorganization is successful. In retrospect, this may look like the dumbest $2.25 Billion ($1.9 Billion equity, $350 million in other payments to LATAM) that DL has ever spent. It's hard to see how JV (if approved) profits could...Jump to post
Interesting argument, Kavok. Although maybe it’s simpler? Here’s my thought: None of the three airlines (Delta, LATAM, Qatar) wants the 4 A350’s right now. QR dumps them back to LA at lease end. DL sheds its obligation to buy them by paying a $62M break fee. Now LA can probably get rid of them in Ch...Jump to post
In regards to Delta's near future. All the airlines are doing their best to survive. I find it interesting that DAL employees-non pilots are under the impression that they are sitting well and will be just a little smaller. No financial hardship to come, and believe that they will be just fine and ...Jump to post
I am surprised that LATAM does not have stronger legs to stand on and surprised that the governments does not seem to be willing to help out. The political situation in many LATAM countries was strained even before Covid, as mentioned upthread. Several LATAM countries had serious civil unrest. When...Jump to post
I'd say ALL airlines around the globe are in deep doo doo - the key is if they have enough cash reserve and cut down their cash burn rate to survive until the traffic returns to a point they can start to make a profit again. Let's talk about scenarios pre-COVID. In terms of MIA vs ATL - I agree tha...Jump to post
Well...yes...Every single privately owned airline in the whole planet is “towards bankruptcy” in the current scenario. Only the Airlines supported by endless flows of money like Emirates or Etihad can escape to the “towards bankruptcy” qualification. Same for Hotels, Cruise Ships and any leisure an...Jump to post
Here at LA, we are very happy to have DL as a partner. The claims that AA brought a lot to us are myths; even when they were our "partner", we could rely on cooperation from Delta in case of IROP or other issues much more than we could count on AA. Everyone seems to overlook the fact that...Jump to post
Confuscius wrote:FlyingElvii wrote:Twitter showing pics of a completely darkened Sears Tower/Willis Tower against the Chicago skyline.
The building's name is spelled Willis but pronounced as Sears.
TSA numbers, and I'll try and figure out a way to post them, have been consistently in the -90% YOY since April over the national system. There is no steady increase WOW. Searching Bing, with "TSA numbers" found this: https://www.tsa.gov/coronavirus/passenger-throughput I added days of th...Jump to post
These retirements also removed 2 pilot groups which will also save money with training requirements. Except you’ve kicked off a massive airline wide training event in the near term. At DL every displacement triggers around 9 other seat moves, at a cost of around $2500 a day for training. That’s pro...Jump to post
Pretty sure that a 2020 airline bankruptcy would be unlike previous cases for two reasons. First, bankruptcy laws were changed around 2005. (Maybe knowledgeable others can comment on this aspect?) Second, DIP (Debtor-in-Possession) financing may be unavailable now. This was the "usual" way...Jump to post
I would be almost certain that the shortest scheduled segment operated by UA's DC-10s during their 30+ years in service was COS-DEN. SFO-OAK is just a wee bit shorter. Although UA flew SFO-OAK, and it is shorter than COS-DEN, I don't recall UA DC-10's ever being scheduled from OAK. I recall SFO-OAK...Jump to post
<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/KELPkid" class="quote" target="_blank">KELPkid</a> (<a href="#8" class="quote">Reply 8</a>):<br/><i>An inflated sense of self worth? Seriously, ...Jump to post
Ditto MODS - please correct spelling of headline: 'c' before 's'. Thank you! <table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/SANFan" class="quote" target="_blank">SANFan</a> (<a href="#10" cla...Jump to post
<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/peterinlisbon" class="quote" target="_blank">peterinlisbon</a> (<a href="#13" class="quote">Reply 13</a>):<br/><i>Maybe they could change their ...Jump to post
<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Viscount724" class="quote" target="_blank">Viscount724</a> (<a href="#11" class="quote">Reply 11</a>):<br/><i>Several Canadian carriers operated...Jump to post
It's nice to see some inspired, creative thinking. However leaving floorspace empty has a huge opportunity cost... <img src="http://cdn-www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/graphics/smilies/checkmark.gif" width="15" height="15" border="0"/> <table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class...Jump to post
<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/n7371f" class="quote" target="_blank">n7371f</a> (<a href="#7" class="quote">Reply 7</a>):<br/><i>I believe Frontier Horizon had First Class. Th...Jump to post
<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/afcjets" class="quote" target="_blank">afcjets</a> (<a href="#4" class="quote">Reply 4</a>):<br/><i>wouldn't someone else have picked it up back...Jump to post