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by n9801f
Wed Apr 20, 2022 4:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2447
Views: 535703

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2022

What is there to take exception to? Was my comment incorrect? DL always maintained a sizable presence at LAX. How you define sizable may differ from how I define it, but DL always stayed one of the largest carriers at LAX. When did only business destinations count as having a presence? But DL alway...

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by n9801f
Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2447
Views: 535703

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2022

DL gradually downsized LAX throughout the 2000s, to the point that it was largely a spoke + Hawaii by the late 2000s. What's irrelevant is what service was operated by DL & what was operated by Song -- Song WAS DL, BTW. At the time of the merger, DL had minimal interest in LAX -- it even sold N...

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by n9801f
Wed Apr 13, 2022 3:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2447
Views: 535703

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2022

I'm with others that think LAX-ORD might materialize once DL has more gates at both LAX and ORD (maybe 4-5 daily on 223s or something?). The fact that DL didn't shy away from SEA-ORD, BOS-ORD, and RDU-ORD makes me think they see ORD as too important of a market to not serve it from their hubs and f...

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by n9801f
Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2617
Views: 602427

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

While AA has historically always been an important player at LAX, it seems this latest big push to grow LAX was part of the strategic post 2000s corner-stone network play. While AA certainly gained market share and added a ton of routes, its clear this strategy was a financial loss maker. Going for...

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by n9801f
Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit
Replies: 992
Views: 165128

Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

I am really not understanding why people think NK has some sort of network strength. People fly them because they are cheap. Period. There is no loyalty but NK can treat them like crap and they will complain but return again when it saves them $10. The minute the airline's costs rise to B6 levels a...

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by n9801f
Sat Apr 09, 2022 6:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit
Replies: 992
Views: 165128

Re: JetBlue bids 3.6B for Spirit

AS/B6 would make more sense than B6/NK. From the perspective of immediate compatibility of business models, I see the merits of this view. Yet my opinion is the network fit between B6/NK is so much more powerful than that of B6/AS that it would be worth the trouble of harmonizing the merged carrier...

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by n9801f
Thu Apr 07, 2022 3:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2447
Views: 535703

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2022

You have no evidence to indicate that the previous “normal” is ever going to return. Airlines have had to evolve and adapt to the new normal, which adding additional service on LAX-SYD is indicative of. DL has to use all those shiny new A350s somewhere. DL is not operating in the high margin enviro...

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by n9801f
Tue Apr 05, 2022 4:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2447
Views: 535703

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2022

I don't believe so. I thought we would see an additional Australian city before more than daily LAX-SYD, but glad to see an increase nonetheless. I will add this is funny in that so many people were convinced DL would drop LAX-SYD when the Virgin Australia deal ended. The current industry environme...

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by n9801f
Fri Apr 01, 2022 4:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2617
Views: 602427

Re: AA launches Ocho Rios, Jamaica

This is refreshingly innovative, I think. Like a great new idea everyone missed until now that seems obvious in retrospect. I hope it does well.

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by n9801f
Fri Apr 01, 2022 1:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2591
Views: 702940

Re: United Airlines Network Thread - 2022

FSDan wrote:
Would be interesting to know the last time that happened... Certainly when I started following the industry in the second half of the 2000s it was a heavily regional operation.

Suggest looking at schedules for 1993. Maybe around February.

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by n9801f
Sun Mar 20, 2022 6:16 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: DFW Weather - 3/21
Replies: 9
Views: 2438

Re: DFW Weather - 3/21

My experience is they're usually reasonable and often pretty flexible when there are problems, even if you have a restricted ticket. Once or twice, in extreme cases, they did extraordinarily helpful things, like sending me to a different city, to recover from a major operational upset.

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by n9801f
Sat Mar 19, 2022 3:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southern Airways (old) MEM hub
Replies: 57
Views: 9456

Re: Southern Airways (old) MEM hub

Answering two of your posts here: MKE, MSP, and ICT-DEN among the last cities added by Southern prior to deregulation and the North Central merger. Since all but ICT were already served by NC, I think they were getting clear indications from the soon-to-be-irrelevant C.A.B. that the merger was on t...

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by n9801f
Fri Mar 18, 2022 9:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2447
Views: 535703

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2022

You can point to Delta's revenue premium if you like, but I question whether this is occurs because Delta's main hubs have less LCC competition than the other legacies. This is a HOT take. And it’s fundamentally flawed. Put aside the absurd notion about hub LCC competition because that only effects...

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by n9801f
Thu Mar 17, 2022 8:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2447
Views: 535703

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2022

Are you perhaps new to the study of marketing? DL brings products heavily differentiated from WN: AVOD, reserved seats, Y+ seats, F/J, an intercontinental network... All of the top 25-30 cities (cities, not airports) ought to have alternatives to WN. Most do. AUS did not, as it had grown into that ...

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by n9801f
Thu Mar 17, 2022 7:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2447
Views: 535703

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2022

Funny that you bring up WN at ATL considering how substantially WN has shrunk there since its AirTran acquisition - which is completely contrary to your point. I think this snippet is misleading. While Southwest did, indeed, shrink the number of flights in ATL following the integration of AirTran, ...

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by n9801f
Thu Mar 17, 2022 6:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2447
Views: 535703

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2022

What are you talking about? Please post evidence of DL's supposed decline instead of gibberish. Yep, more evidence of DL making poor decisions... Chasing trash yields in AUS where WN will always have a sizable presence (a market that cannibalizes traffic at its main hub) seems like a GREAT strategy...

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by n9801f
Wed Mar 16, 2022 10:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2447
Views: 535703

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2022

The industry leader being called staid and slow. Laughable. Recall that, like Delta, USAir and Frontier were once industry leaders in profitability. But the marketplace changed faster than they adapted. Frontier shut down. USAir struggled for decades. When you're profitable you have reduced incenti...

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by n9801f
Wed Mar 16, 2022 6:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2617
Views: 602427

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

As such I put the 2020 demographics of each of these nations below. They correlate HIGHLY with O&D to the nations mentioned. I listed all the AA hubs plus Houston, DC, Orlando, and the Bay Area since those are significant Central American/Caribbean/Northern South American populations centers. T...

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by n9801f
Tue Mar 15, 2022 6:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2617
Views: 602427

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

Domestic travel is an awful comparison simply because there is significantly more demand for domestic travel than there is for a route like MIA-Buenos Aires. This misses my point. The point is simply that good revenue opportunities are a big incentive and sometimes eventually cause long-standing re...

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by n9801f
Tue Mar 15, 2022 5:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2447
Views: 535703

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2022

DL's results, including those in competitive markets (no it isn't a leader in every competitive market), speak for themselves that DL is not a "staid, slow-moving mood." Furthermore, look at the evolution of DL's product and expanded network into competitive markets with substantial inves...

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by n9801f
Tue Mar 15, 2022 5:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2447
Views: 535703

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2022

Oh yeah... Cause there has been so much evidence of DL having incompetent leadership and being slow-moving (not sure what that even means). In comparison to AA who's dominating the industry, perhaps? Slow moving in terms of what, best hard product, best marketing, best financials, best operations, ...

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by n9801f
Tue Mar 15, 2022 4:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2617
Views: 602427

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

So not sure if there is room left now for a tit-for-tat... however I can see the Argentina side dinging such a flight on a technicality (the airport is saturated, no space at customs, etc.) Agreed that AEP-MIA seems like a real reach in today's environment. But the situation for international fligh...

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by n9801f
Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2617
Views: 602427

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

My point was that AA will attract its business travel crowd anyway at EZE. It doesn’t need to serve AEP to get them. Why would they add flights to AEP that cannibalize what they are getting anyway at EZE... I hear you. The reason you might do something like this is to have a competitive advantage. ...

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by n9801f
Tue Mar 15, 2022 3:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2447
Views: 535703

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2022

How do you know that they wanted to hang on to him? Rumor is pretty quickly it was evident to DL he wasn’t a fit… Lack of fit can be an issue on either the employee's or the company's side. Compared with other airlines, Delta has few managers from outside the company. Perhaps the culture shuns outs...

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by n9801f
Tue Mar 15, 2022 12:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2617
Views: 602427

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

I also don't see why you would need an A321 to AEP when you'd be getting the same business traveler on your 777 at EZE. Not sure whether you've flown into AEP, but for business travelers, it's vastly superior to EZE. AEP is essentially in downtown B.A., while EZE is a long ride out of town. Were AA...

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by n9801f
Sun Mar 13, 2022 8:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2617
Views: 602427

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

Keep in mind AA has long been a juggernaut in Argentina. Huge FF base. That's an important point. AA is the only US carrier offering online nonstops to both MIA and NYC, two markets that are hugely important for Argentinians. This is a durable advantage for Argentina point of sale that's hard to ma...

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by n9801f
Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2447
Views: 535703

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2022

How will DL police that? Honestly, you'd have to ask Delta. As mentioned, some industries and companies use non-competes. Though I believe these are ineffective or prohibited in some states. Yet there is still other recourse. For instance, around 1990, a major US airline sued former employees who j...

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by n9801f
Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southern Airways (old) MEM hub
Replies: 57
Views: 9456

Re: Southern Airways (old) MEM hub

Here is a link to the last Southern route map prior to the merger with North Central: https://www.flickr.com/photos/erussell1984/15274265741 Very nice! You can really see MEM's budding importance to SO/RC/NW in the way MEM is used to tap into growth markets outside Southern's historic core in the t...

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by n9801f
Sun Mar 13, 2022 5:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southern Airways (old) MEM hub
Replies: 57
Views: 9456

Re: Southern Airways (old) MEM hub

After checking my '70s Frontier timetables, I find I was slightly incorrect: Their initial circa-1970 service to MDW was from OMA, not LNK, and included a one-stop from DEN. Frontier had dropped the MDW flights by 1973, and didn't return, this time to ORD, until 1976 or '77. This ORD service WAS to...

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by n9801f
Sun Mar 13, 2022 4:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2447
Views: 535703

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2022

Additionally, I've been perusing through DL's summer domestic schedule, and while a lot can change between now and then, I've noticed a peculiar shift in usage of their 757 fleet compared to past years. Currently, the schedule is showing a marked increase in 757 flying on shorter routes such as ATL...

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by n9801f
Sat Mar 12, 2022 10:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2447
Views: 535703

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2022

Talk about a coup if there ever was one.....now Laurence has seen DL's financials.... Don't forget that he'd also seen JetBlue's before joining Delta. Executives are morally and usually legally obligated to protect each company's proprietary information. They can be subject to litigation if they do...

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by n9801f
Sat Mar 12, 2022 7:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southern Airways (old) MEM hub
Replies: 57
Views: 9456

Re: Southern Airways (old) MEM hub

The C.A.B. in the late '60s and '70s was behind this. They wouldn't approve Local Service Carriers' applications to fly nonstop between city pairs like ATL-WAS/NYC, or CHI-WAS/NYC, that already had multiple Trunk Carrier service, but would approve service by LSCs from secondary points like CSG/GSP ...

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by n9801f
Fri Mar 11, 2022 6:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2617
Views: 602427

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

2) Mexico excluded, IAH has almost double the O&D to Central and South America that DFW (or ATL) does. Here is what this summer looks like for flight operations to Central and South America for all hubs in question. . This comparison is very illuminating. For Central America, I'm struck by how ...

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by n9801f
Fri Mar 11, 2022 4:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southern Airways (old) MEM hub
Replies: 57
Views: 9456

Re: Southern Airways (old) MEM hub

They didn't even have an ATL to FL authority and LGA & IAD were served from CGS & GSP for some weird reason (govt contracts?). Yes, Southern wasn't the only one entering a big US city from a regional point (e.g. CSG/GSP-NYC/WAS). I also recall Ozark's entree to NYC being CMI. And Frontier (...

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by n9801f
Fri Mar 11, 2022 3:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2617
Views: 602427

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

usflyer msp wrote:
not GRU but AA did try ORD-EZE after UA ended it and it was a dumpster fire.

Interesting - thanks. I'd forgotten about that one.

Between currency devaluations and economic crises, Argentina's been a tough market at times.

ORD is just too far north to be a great South American gateway.

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by n9801f
Fri Mar 11, 2022 12:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2617
Views: 602427

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

Its because ORD-GRU, while sizable, is mostly ORD point of sale. UA is the stronger carrier in Chicago so that somewhat makes sense to me. Good to raise the POS aspect. However I think any marginal advantage UA may have in ORD is at least partially offset by AA advantage in Brazil. Overall, given i...

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by n9801f
Thu Mar 10, 2022 8:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2617
Views: 602427

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

Why does United fly to Sao Paulo. Brazil from ORD when AA is the airline that is the huge American carrier in Latin America ? While I agree with many of your points, on this question I see the answer being that when AA ranks opportunities to fly from SAO, ORD is far down their list, behind excellen...

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by n9801f
Thu Mar 10, 2022 3:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: U.S. Airlines Cutting Flights Due To High Fuel Costs
Replies: 147
Views: 36543

Re: IT BEGINS.... U.S. Airlines Cutting Flights Due To High Fuel Costs

AEROFAN wrote:
So neither AA nor UA hedge?

The answer to your question changes over time. Sometimes both do hedge. Other times not.

According to NLINK's post upthread, none of AA, DL, or UA has substantial hedges right now.

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by n9801f
Thu Mar 10, 2022 4:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southern Airways (old) MEM hub
Replies: 57
Views: 9456

Re: Southern Airways (old) MEM hub

Did any airline consider MSY for a hub back in the 70s-80s when hubs were being built in many cities? Pride Air operated a hub in MSY during the summer of 1985. Formed by former Continental employees, Pride Air operated a fleet of 727's on a MSY-centered network from coast to coast. IIRC there were...

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by n9801f
Wed Mar 09, 2022 1:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Business & Finance Discussion
Replies: 914
Views: 201992

Re: Updated: American Airlines Business & Finance Discussion

I really do not see AA surviving, they will certainly file for bankruptcy again, and given how leveraged they are in debt ($49 billion) it will be nearly impossible to survive. Now with oil prices skyrocketing they are at a severe disadvantage to their competitors given their debt and sub-par reven...

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by n9801f
Thu Mar 03, 2022 3:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2447
Views: 535703

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2022

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... -airlines/
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jbs2886 wrote:
It doesn't matter if he is calling the shots, its certainly a win for DL to have his knowledge.

It's too bad Delta couldn't hang on to Scott Laurence.

Looks like he's resurfaced at AA.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29/br ... -airlines/

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by n9801f
Tue Feb 22, 2022 6:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 767 N101DA/N740AX First flight 40 years ago today
Replies: 29
Views: 6663

Re: Boeing 767 N101DA/N740AX First flight 40 years ago today

wjcandee wrote:
But why full stop? UA, DL, AC and TW all took delivery of initial 767-200s within a couple of months of each other -- 40 years ago.

United was the launch customer for the 767.

Others, including Delta, followed and ordered it later.

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by n9801f
Tue Feb 22, 2022 3:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 767 N101DA/N740AX First flight 40 years ago today
Replies: 29
Views: 6663

Re: Boeing 767 N101DA/N740AX First flight 40 years ago today

Yeah, likewise. I thought United was the kickoff customer for the 767 and that it was first to put the 767 into service. Yeah, I remember the UA commercials advertising the then new aircraft. You are correct. United operated the first 767 service with JT-9 powered 767-200 aircraft. The original top...

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by n9801f
Mon Feb 21, 2022 3:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 767 N101DA/N740AX First flight 40 years ago today
Replies: 29
Views: 6663

Re: Boeing 767 N101DA/N740AX First flight 40 years ago today

Boeing757100 wrote:
Thought that the first flight of the 767 was in Sept. 19, 1981 or something

Yeah, likewise.

I thought United was the kickoff customer for the 767 and that it was first to put the 767 into service.

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by n9801f
Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 2447
Views: 535703

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2022

catiii wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
catiii wrote:

I hear Scott Laurence departed Delta? Can anyone confirm?


That was fast.


Have heard from two people there. Seems strange if true.

In my view, it's their big loss if true.

Perhaps you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

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by n9801f
Thu Feb 17, 2022 4:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Champion Air 727 Bolivia
Replies: 30
Views: 8815

Re: Champion Air 727 Bolivia

Now, as for valuable parts...well the frames have in fact been illegally raided for parts over the years. The perpetrators have not been officially "discovered" but that is is because it is fairly obvious the military was stealing the parts (at least most of them) for their (now defunct) ...

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by n9801f
Mon Feb 14, 2022 8:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aeroméxico News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 372
Views: 82718

Re: Aeroméxico News and Discussion Thread

It was around 2000 ish, I flew down to go scuba diving, the rest of the group drove from Phoenix to Tucson and flew AM. I non revved back on an old DC 9, to Tucson, and then caught HP back to Phoenix. That sounds extremely fun. The Sea of Cortez is tranquil and the coast unusual. OK, I found it. Ol...

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by n9801f
Mon Feb 14, 2022 1:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aeroméxico News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 372
Views: 82718

Re: Aeroméxico News and Discussion Thread

AM did fly TUS-GYM, I non-reved it back from GYM once on the DC 9. I took Great Lakes over PHX-HMO-GYM. Thanks. What year was that? I'd like to look it up. AM discontinued TUS in 2008, and at that time was still only flying HMO. https://tucson.com/business/aeromexico-suspends-tucson-airports-only-i...

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by n9801f
Mon Feb 14, 2022 12:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aeroméxico News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 372
Views: 82718

Re: Aeroméxico News and Discussion Thread

June 1, 1978 OAG:

RW 1 TUS-GYM 1035-1124 D9S o357
RW 2 GYM-TUS 1435-1524 D9S o357

AM 101 TUS-HMO 1235-1320 D9S D
AM 100 HMO-TUS 1110-1150 D9S D

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by n9801f
Sun Feb 13, 2022 11:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aeroméxico News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 372
Views: 82718

Re: Aeroméxico News and Discussion Thread

AM did GYM-TUS, and a little later GYM-PHX ~30 years ago on MD-80s. The Club Med was seasonal even then. I don't know how long ago it closed. Ooh, in 2003. Suggest you check that if you can. I distinctly recall AM flying TUS-HMO for a number of years back in DC-9 days. The only TYS-GYM jet service ...

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