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by DL_Mech
Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021
Replies: 613
Views: 109673

Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

I’m shocked they haven’t gone after the AA MD-83’s that were the last off the line too. Not sure about AA, but DL was still sending their MD-88s through heavy maintenance until a year or so ago. That is why you saw ship numbers in the teens still actively flying until the end and some of the newest...

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by DL_Mech
Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:01 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Strange business names
Replies: 29
Views: 1061

Re: Strange business names

http://i2.wp.com/www.evilmilk.com/pictures/Big_Boys.jpg From: http://i2.wp.com/www.evilmilk.com/pictures/Big_Boys.jpg Need a building put up in St. Louis? Call Big Boy's Steel Erection, Inc. http://www.riverfronttimes.com/stlouis/best-name-for-an-erection-company/BestOf?oid=2508463

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by DL_Mech
Mon Apr 05, 2021 1:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: [email protected]
Replies: 20
Views: 2883

Re: [email protected]

flyfresno wrote:
This newsletter is fascinating. What a cool artifact!


I like the daily 747 from ORD to STL.

I checked the OAG, and there was a Ozark DC-9 and a DL 732 on the same route at the same time. Which one would you choose?

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by DL_Mech
Sun Apr 04, 2021 3:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: [email protected]
Replies: 20
Views: 2883

Re: [email protected]

A 1985 schedule shows three flights at TOL. A 727-200 to CLE and 727-100 and -200 service to STL. Looks like the CLE flight turned back to TOL and overnighted there. Page 7 in the Skyliner: http://digital.shsmo.org/digital/collection/twa/id/8230 (lots of unusual L1011 flights in that schedule)

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by DL_Mech
Fri Apr 02, 2021 1:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: April fools: Air Koryo orders 4 A330-300s
Replies: 3
Views: 957

Re: April fools: Air Koryo orders 4 A330-300s

All April fools threads are being locked down.

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by DL_Mech
Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021
Replies: 613
Views: 109673

Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

n515cr wrote:
76L N171DN now showing the same revenue flights on 4/2...we'll see if those stick.


Probably the last 76L to get an HMV. That 1990 build was supposed to be retired in 2019 and instead went to HMV in Jan. 2020. Glad to see she gets to live on.

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by DL_Mech
Wed Mar 31, 2021 7:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: April’s fool: Airline edition
Replies: 70
Views: 8566

Re: April’s fool: Airline edition

Thanks for reminding me to stay off this site for a couple of days.

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by DL_Mech
Tue Mar 30, 2021 11:11 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Aircraft Repainting In the 60s through 1990s
Replies: 6
Views: 2156

Re: Aircraft Repainting In the 60s through 1990s

While there’s many videos of recent reprints, what was the practice or process of doing this a long time ago? I'm pretty sure using a razor or similar sharp metallic tool with reckless abandon and scribing every square inch of skin was SOP. You can see in the KLM video they just poured the paint st...

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by DL_Mech
Tue Mar 30, 2021 6:33 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Aircraft Repainting In the 60s through 1990s
Replies: 6
Views: 2156

Re: Aircraft Repainting In the 60s through 1990s

I'm guessing they paint the blue patch with "American" in it first because blue is a horrible colour for hiding. It's easier to paint white over blue than visa versa. It also saves time. A few years ago, they changed the way that they paint fuselages. They used to paint the main fuselage ...

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by DL_Mech
Fri Mar 26, 2021 12:04 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: First 777-200ER built
Replies: 10
Views: 2345

Re: First 777-200ER built

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nes/3v8l44


Probably the last PW powered 777 built as well.
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FLALEFTY wrote:
Here's the last B772ER built (only 7.7 years old!):

https://www.planespotters.net/airframe/ ... nes/3v8l44


Probably the last PW powered 777 built as well.

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by DL_Mech
Wed Mar 24, 2021 9:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021
Replies: 613
Views: 109673

Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

And one more yesterday, 972. And a fifth one now, N969DL was sold to USA Jet on March 12. They're not for parts, they're being converted to freighters, to replace the DC-9 fleet they currently operate. More here: http://www.freightwaves.com/news/why-are-iconic-md-80-jets-being-converted-to-freighte...

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by DL_Mech
Wed Mar 24, 2021 7:51 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: First 777-200ER built
Replies: 10
Views: 2345

Re: First 777-200ER built

Didn't Boeing call them B777-200IGWs back then? (Increased Gross Weight)

How did this topic get moved? It is not about travel, it is a factual topic about civil aviation and no one is asking if anyone prefers the ER version of the 777 over the A model.

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by DL_Mech
Fri Mar 19, 2021 4:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"
Replies: 52
Views: 7641

Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Good find. I too wish that one of those first gen 707s could’ve survived in a museum. We lost the Duxford plane and will probably lose the two-400s as well.

TW870 wrote:
Good on them, though, because they are sweet airplanes.


:thumbsup:

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by DL_Mech
Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:18 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: UA Maintenance Bases
Replies: 15
Views: 2612

Re: UA Maintenance Bases

Appears to be located at the west end of the South Ramp. Across from the Horizon Air hangar: 7759 NE Mary Olson Way https://www.google.com/maps/place/NE+Mary+Olson+Way,+Portland,+OR+97218/@45.5838412,-122.6012494,783m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m5!3m4!1s0x5495a69d423e347f:0x5696a96a9c60f51!8m2!3d45.5820766!4d-...

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by DL_Mech
Thu Mar 18, 2021 8:07 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Braniff Calder DC8 Experiences
Replies: 3
Views: 976

Re: Braniff Calder DC8 Experiences

Makes you wonder if the Calder painted engine cowlings survived, or were they just stripped and painted over?

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by DL_Mech
Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"
Replies: 52
Views: 7641

Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

More info on the explosion: http://beforesandafters.com/2019/06/07/look-closely-and-you-can-see-the-cable-pulling-the-speed-bus-towards-the-plane-before-it-explodes/ The livery was NOT digital, I knew someone who worked up in the tower at MHV and he had a few pictures that he showed us in class. You...

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by DL_Mech
Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"
Replies: 52
Views: 7641

Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Could they do digital in 1992 when they were shooting that? I guess they must have used digital editing for the fuselage. But it is still striking to me that they would think to cover up the organ pipe suppressors - as if they audience would have been like, "wait, is that a JT3C-6 powered bird...

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by DL_Mech
Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"
Replies: 52
Views: 7641

Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

I think it might have been a "frankenstein" plane made up out of several others. According to this photo the vertical stabilizer is from N198CA. This tail started life on TWA N734TW. However, the fuselage shows 4X-JYZ. This means the fuselage started as TWA N736TW. https://www.airliners.n...

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by DL_Mech
Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"
Replies: 52
Views: 7641

Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Trailer clip, aircraft appears at 6 sec mark. Frezze frame https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8piqd2BWeGI Nice find - the 707 exploding is at about 2:08. Bizarrely it looks like the took the organ pipe suppressors off the engines put KC-135A exhausts on the engines. Trying to figure out why they would...

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by DL_Mech
Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"
Replies: 52
Views: 7641

Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Yes, the USAF bought many used 707s in the 1980s/1990s to source spares for the KC135 program. There must have been plenty of frames available. The USAF would not have bought this one, it was a non-fan -131 (ex TWA). The Air Force used the vertical fins, fan engines and pylons to upgrade the J57 po...

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by DL_Mech
Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:36 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Why no Boeing 707 stretch?
Replies: 19
Views: 3391

Re: Why no Boeing 707 stretch?

e38 wrote:
Starlionblue wrote:
. the KC-135 (Boeing model 717*)


The official designation of the KC-135 is Boeing 717-148.


I wonder why Aer Lingus ordered all of those tankers? :D

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by DL_Mech
Sun Mar 14, 2021 9:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 737, shrinked 707?
Replies: 32
Views: 7091

Re: 737, shrinked 707?

The 707 is a true long range airplane with the wings to match. Cargo compartments are taller in a 707. Galley floor plans are larger in a 707. Both 707-320B and 737-800s are limited to 189 pax each. Do not confuse them as both being similarly sized airplanes. Compare wing size with a 767: 4730973 Co...

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by DL_Mech
Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:29 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: help list movies about flying, airports, or airplanes
Replies: 25
Views: 1145

Re: help list movies about flying, airports, or airplanes

While it isn't about flying per se, "Sunday In New York" has quite a few airport scenes and one of the main characters in it is a pilot. MOST of the movie is available here (and yes, LAX stands in for IDL/Idlewild Airport...not yet JFK because the movie was released in 1963.) https://www....

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by DL_Mech
Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:11 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: help list movies about flying, airports, or airplanes
Replies: 25
Views: 1145

Re: help list movies about flying, airports, or airplanes

A couple of made for TV movies about Eastern 401 (N310EA): http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077610/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077377/?ref_=nm_flmg_act_118 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ImWH3HlCUY4/SblqtQN1imI/AAAAAAAAAFM/EQLJaJZ59nQ/s1600/HPIM6291.JPG From: http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_ImWH3HlCUY4/SblqtQN1i...

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by DL_Mech
Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:40 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Door Latch Question
Replies: 18
Views: 2181

Re: Door Latch Question

This happened when the first 737-700 was delivered to DL. The R1 handle flew like this from Seattle to Atlanta. There was a long forum discussion about it in 2008 (could not find it in the search engine).

http://www.jetphotos.com/photo/6320654

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by DL_Mech
Thu Mar 11, 2021 2:41 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: help list movies about flying, airports, or airplanes
Replies: 25
Views: 1145

Re: help list movies about flying, airports, or airplanes

The most accurate airline movie made was probably “The Pilot” starring Cliff Robertson. Good luck finding it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9k-_mLZ_zA

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by DL_Mech
Wed Mar 03, 2021 9:41 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: User's rides
Replies: 83
Views: 4099

Re: User's rides

tomaheath wrote:
I’m not a mopar person but those 4 litters are awesome engines.


Maybe you’re just an AMC fan. Those engines can run with a rod sticking out of the block.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMC_straight-6_engine

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by DL_Mech
Wed Mar 03, 2021 1:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Has a Problem: The Boeing 767
Replies: 136
Views: 23106

Re: Delta Has a Problem: The Boeing 767

As such, the rush was for longhaul and ultra-longhaul equipment, and DL was severely behind its competitors; due to the well-discussed issues with DALPA that led to their 777s being nothing but LGW+CDG shuttles during their first 5yrs of service. It also led to them halting their 777 acquisition at...

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by DL_Mech
Sat Feb 27, 2021 7:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Last 737 Classic Built 21 years ago.
Replies: 39
Views: 5315

Re: Last 737 Classic Built 21 years ago.

the flying experience is something uniqe to each and every one. 732s were extremely noisy behind the wing. much louder than 707s. 727 even in the rear were less loud. while the cfm made a more thunder like sou d k the cabin, the pratts especially on the 707 had a very humming character to them... d...

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by DL_Mech
Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Single Delta 737 parked since 2019
Replies: 23
Views: 7159

Re: Single Delta 737 parked since 2019

Historically, two other DL ships that were both parked early (not retired), robbed of parts heavily and never returned were 677 and 173. 173 along with other domestic 767s in storage were painted into new liveries at VCV and never flew again.

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by DL_Mech
Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Last 737 Classic Built 21 years ago.
Replies: 39
Views: 5315

Re: Last 737 Classic Built 21 years ago.

Antarius wrote:
Oh pray tell, what was this deadly flaw?

I love how some people on a.net just assume airlines are total morons and buy 10,000+ airframes with deadly flaws.


I assume he meant this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_737_rudder_issues

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by DL_Mech
Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:16 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Boeing customer codes - rarities or allocated but never used
Replies: 17
Views: 2811

Re: Boeing customer codes - rarities or allocated but never used

Cubana's 39 - Its 707 order never became reality due to the Cuban Revolution. I believe those airplanes went to Western. Did they take Western’s customer codes? No, they were 707-139s. One was used in the filming of “The Delta Force.” http://www.impdb.org/images/a/a2/Deltaforce15.jpg From: http://w...

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by DL_Mech
Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Northwest Royal Imperial service, fancy TPAC/TATL dining in 1980s?
Replies: 10
Views: 1549

Re: Northwest Royal Imperial service, fancy TPAC/TATL dining in 1980s?

It's actually "Regal Imperial" service. The Delta Museum has it wrong. The poster is correct.

There are a couple of photos here:

http://www.travelcodex.com/northwest-orient-trip-report-jfk-nrt-kul-1986/

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by DL_Mech
Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:20 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Delta 757 Wing And Stabilizer Paint
Replies: 10
Views: 2891

Re: Delta 757 Wing And Stabilizer Paint

All of the newer repaints are done by vendors which use different procedures. These changes must be approved by Delta. My guess is that single color repaint reduces turnaround time.

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by DL_Mech
Tue Feb 16, 2021 12:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DHL 757 has main cargo door open in flight
Replies: 32
Views: 18660

Re: DHL 757 has main cargo door open in flight

You may be a fan of the 757, but I FLY the 757 and the discoloration is caused by crud being kicked up by the nosewheels. https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/3/8/8/6028883.jpg?v=v4b7cf24e319 https://imgproc.airliners.net/photos/airliners/9/1/5/6263519.jpg?v=v41eeaf0f7f0 Or a cargo door s...

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by DL_Mech
Fri Feb 12, 2021 12:35 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: TWA Boarding Passes - Seat Number Question
Replies: 11
Views: 1993

Re: TWA Boarding Passes - Seat Number Question

Take it row 80 was an later on addition? And instead of sliding all the numbers down they just added it in randomly? https://i.postimg.cc/vgDLyVTB/TWA-747-Seating.jpg Makes me wonder if row 80 was used as F/A rest seats on longer range flights. It is possible that this row took the place of the sta...

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by DL_Mech
Sat Jan 09, 2021 7:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: When UPS Flew Passengers
Replies: 21
Views: 6503

Re: When UPS Flew Passengers

I seem to remember UPS doing a lot of Mexico flights for package tour operators on the weekends. They only used former 727QCs to fly passenger flights. I suppose certification was easier since the airplanes once held a passenger interior even though it was ripped out and disposed of 15+ years earlie...

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by DL_Mech
Fri Jan 08, 2021 7:38 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Burger Wars!
Replies: 88
Views: 3759

Re: Burger Wars!

stl07 wrote:
The STL county health department shut a lot of them down the past year


Steak ‘n Shake is somewhat like McDonalds. When it’s good, it’s great. 90% of the time it’s not good.

Is the Chuck A Burger still open on the Rock Road in STL?

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by DL_Mech
Fri Jan 01, 2021 9:41 pm
Forum: Aviation Hobby
Topic: Anyone else collects fuselage skin tags?
Replies: 31
Views: 9423

Re: Anyone else collects fuselage skin tags?

FGITD wrote:

Planetags Has a presale going for tags off a TWA 741. Fair warning though...they aren't cheap!


$90 for a TWA (Air France) tag? No thanks. I found DL 747-400 planetags for $8.00.

http://www.deltashop.com/Product/747-Planetag-DSFTT740-402880.htm

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by DL_Mech
Sun Dec 27, 2020 2:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Northwest 707-320 series - 3 different configurations?
Replies: 31
Views: 4878

Re: Northwest 707-320 series - 3 different configurations?

What a FASCINATING thread! Now THIS is the kind of thread I joined Airliners for! Superb. I love this thread. So much good info! Isn’t it about time for this thread to get moved to travel, polls and prefs? Also just some follow-up on where these airplanes went. As other posters said, the -351B comb...

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by DL_Mech
Fri Dec 25, 2020 7:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Northwest 707-320 series - 3 different configurations?
Replies: 31
Views: 4878

Re: Northwest 707-320 series - 3 different configurations?

It's interesting to look at those overhead bins (hat holders?) in the context of what people carry on board today. :shock: The hat racks were limited to pillows, blankets and other light items. I remember the F/As were pretty strict about no hand luggage up there. Plus, checking bags was free in th...

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by DL_Mech
Fri Dec 25, 2020 5:02 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Can airlines re-purpose new biz seats onto smaller a/c?
Replies: 21
Views: 3776

Re: Can airlines re-purpose new biz seats onto smaller a/c?

Here is a photo of a DL 747 being scrapped. Y seats are removed, but the J class flat beds are still in place.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/aero_icarus/44748235755/

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by DL_Mech
Fri Dec 25, 2020 4:15 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Burger Wars!
Replies: 88
Views: 3759

Re: Burger Wars!

I am an addict I think that place is amazing. The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem! I think In and Out is wildly overrated. If not for The Big Lebowski it wouldn't have nearly the following that it does. It's not bad, but it's also not anywhere near the best. In N Out has good...

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by DL_Mech
Fri Dec 25, 2020 3:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Northwest 707-320 series - 3 different configurations?
Replies: 31
Views: 4878

Re: Northwest 707-320 series - 3 different configurations?

DL_Mech wrote:

Also, the ceiling is much different than a standard 707. Anyone have a picture of a Cathay 707-351B in first class?


It looks like Cathay Pacific put wide body interiors in their ex-NWA 707s.

https://discovery.cathaypacific.com/boeing-707-changed-air-travel-game-asia/

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by DL_Mech
Fri Dec 25, 2020 2:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fish carried by Air Cargo
Replies: 51
Views: 6888

Re: Fish carried by Air Cargo

http://www.aussieairliners.org/l-1049/n ... 4247k.html


Weren’t there some 727s that were dedicated fish haulers in Micronesia?
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diesel1 wrote:
Winky's Fish



Full story on this one @ http://www.aussieairliners.org/l-1049/n ... 4247k.html


Weren’t there some 727s that were dedicated fish haulers in Micronesia?

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by DL_Mech
Fri Dec 25, 2020 2:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Northwest 707-320 series - 3 different configurations?
Replies: 31
Views: 4878

Re: Northwest 707-320 series - 3 different configurations?

A little digging on the Northwest Airlines History Center found this - it was listed as showing the cabin of a 720B, but it seems to be consistent with the odd ball -351B forward layout? For once a picture that is not a mock-up. I counted around 16 windows from the bulkhead to the end of the cargo ...

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by DL_Mech
Thu Dec 24, 2020 9:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Northwest 707-320 series - 3 different configurations?
Replies: 31
Views: 4878

Re: Northwest 707-320 series - 3 different configurations?

This photo shows the divider wall and the window plugs: http://www.airlinercafe.com/aviation_articles/707_guide/image049.jpg As I recall the girls had a small galley in the forward right section at the 1R service door and their seats were sideways and opposite the cargo compartment. Access to the ca...

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by DL_Mech
Thu Dec 24, 2020 1:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Northwest 707-320 series - 3 different configurations?
Replies: 31
Views: 4878

Re: Northwest 707-320 series - 3 different configurations?

Northwest had the oddball -351Bs with a cargo door (N351US-N355US). Only the front left side of the a/c held the cargo. You can differentiate these planes from the -351Cs as they do not have the “hat rack” exit doors aft of the wing. More info about it here (bottom of page): https://www.airlinercafe...

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