What is SN's actual role, not only within LH Group, but in wider European aviation terms? Ok, they have an African network but so do Air France and British Airways and they probably offer same connections as SN. So what is making SN stand out from their competition, what is their selling point? For...Jump to post
Interesting, thank you. Please keep us updated on how things progress in Belgium. Do we know what guarantees the Belgian government is asking for? I suppose they want the SN brand to stay but have they actually come forward officially with some requests and conditions? Not sure about the guarantees...Jump to post
If SN does go bankrupt and the government nationalizes it, does it mean LH is out for good? They are taking over their shares in the company? Do we know how much longer SN can last without receiving government aid? LH would be out indeed if SN goes bankrupt. Not sure how it will go exactly, it hasn...Jump to post
But could the Belgian government do much with 25%? Or did they ask for blocking rights like SPD wants in Germany? For me what's extremely interesting is that most other major airlines got aid without problem while LH is facing major problems even in its home market. Really interesting situation. Yo...Jump to post
Makes me think of those negotiations with OS & SN [and their respective governments] are in favour of Carsten Spohr ... maybe the strategy is to not (!) get state aid from Austria & Belgium and then send both airlines to insolvency court, transferring the slots to EW and continue with less ...Jump to post
In the mean time, seems Belgian Government offered €390 mio for 25% of the stakes. LH said no source: https://www.lalibre.be/belgique/politique-belge/brussels-airlines-la-lufthansa-a-rejete-la-proposition-d-aide-de-l-etat-belge-5ebaaf959978e23845d2b534 During the VTM News, the deputy prime minister...Jump to post
In many European countries those who buy package holidays are protected by law, the tour operators must have a insolvency insurance. Indeed, but it's (unfortunately) not a European rule, it kinda differs from country to country. Here in Belgium it's also mandatory but apparently only for complete p...Jump to post
Ahh, the EU grounding takes effect at 19:00 UTC, so the Dubai plane should be able land by then. But will it go back empty ?
https://www.easa.europa.eu/newsroom-and ... ons-europe
I think it is the first time in the history of aviation that an airplane is being grounded by social media. It could be very well that there is information out there, only known to officials, that triggered this. The first big authority that issued a ban was the British CAA and nobody was truly ask...Jump to post
Belgium airspace is also closed for 737MAX planes.Jump to post
Interestingly enough, TUI Netherlands' TFN and TFO are currently enroute from HRG/BJL to AMS. I wonder where they'll end up Martijn Maybe in Brussels at TUI's maintenance base? Seems that Belgium is keeping it airspace open for the MAX for now, probably because there are also 2 MAX planes from TUI ...Jump to post
Apparently EASA is thinking about following the British CAA and could be ready to issue a blanket ban for the 737 MAX in European airspace. Later today a statement from EASA is being expected.Jump to post
TUI Belgium (former JetairFly) is also (voluntary?) grounding the Boeing 737MAX, it currently has 4 planes in service all delivered last year.Jump to post
Would you have grounded the 757 after three fatal accidents in 1996? Or how about the A320 after the Air Inter crash? No one knows why the Lion Air or Ethiopian planes crashed. Actually yes, but I wouldn't ground every single plane initially. I would search for the common denominator between the 2 ...Jump to post
Just a quick question, does the 737MAX has ACARS? If so then i might give the investigators some insight in what happened quite quickly. But somewhere I doubt that they have it?Jump to post
Fact is that the whole thing is weird as hell. Gustin & De Raeymaecker were terminated but didn't agree and thus it was made a point on the (planned?) board meeting where they could confirm the terminations and also vote about the future. It kinda seems that they went against Spohr's vision and ...Jump to post
So in the end it turns out to be exactly what Spohr recently outlined. Or the opposite, he made it no secret that Brussels Airlines would be rebranded and integrated into Eurowings. Now it's confirmed that they may keep the Brussels Airlines brand and that Brussels Airlines may grow. It's "sli...Jump to post
Belgian national TV station "VRT" send out a Breaking News alert: The chairman of SN Airholding NV Etienne Davignon has confirmed that "Brussels Airlines remains a Belgian company and will not be integrated into Eurowings" Which seems to be confirmed by Thorsten Dirks from Eurowi...Jump to post
If you look at the results within the LH group, calling SN successful is a stretch. If you look where they came from than Brussels Airlines is successful, more than once outperforming Eurowings in the proces. They even managed to turn a profit during 2016 when they had the Brussels Attacks and lost...Jump to post
Any clue why LH Group would change a successful formula? Quite simple, Carsten Spohr wants to get rid of Brussels Airlines and absorb it into Eurowings, that was clear from the beginning but the Belgian owners got some vague promises and they sold anyway (not that they had a choice but still). It's...Jump to post
It seems that Brussels Airlines itself got a stay of execution (possibly due to the big media attention), however both the CEO (Gustin) and the CFO (De Raeymaecker) were fired. They will revise SN's strategy in the future. Christina Foerster, a puppet of Spohr will become the new CEO as of April 1st...Jump to post
Updates on aviation24.be: http://www.aviation24.be/airlines/lufthansa-group/brussels-airlines/live-updates-on-the-meeting-of-the-board-of-directors-of-sn-air-holding-in-frankfurt/ The board meeting has started in Frankfurt. A moment ago it became clear that an extraordinary work council has been org...Jump to post
In the mean time dozens of Belgian industry leaders have issued a joined statement regarding the faith of Brussels Airlines: https://www.vrt.be/vrtnws/nl/2018/02/04/belgische-topmanagers-pleiten-in-gezamenlijke-mededeling-voor--e/ (in Dutch) It basically says the following: The industry leaders are ...Jump to post
When did Brussels Airlines go bankrupt? After Sabena went bankrupt, Brussels Airlines started and was owned by a shell company. Lufthansa owned much of the shell company and had an option to buy it all. Therefore Belgium's so-called "national" airline has been German owned since Sabena's ...Jump to post
When did Brussels Airlines go bankrupt?
According to the Flemish newspaper Nieuwsblad there is for the first time since the creation of Brussels Airlines a consensus amongst all unions to strike and ground all planes if necessary when Lufthansa decides to confirm the termination of the Belgian leadership and if they decide to get rid of t...Jump to post
There are already broader European brands. Ryanair, EasyJet, WizzAir and Norwegian employ people from all countries in the EU. Yes but not always (very) successful, Ryanair, Easyjet, Vueling all quietly decreased the number of flights in BRU because people kept on flying with Brussels Airlines (and...Jump to post
Blerg wrote:Slightly off topic but does SN still operate the SSJ? Are they happy with it? Is there a chance of adding more of them to the fleet?
Probably true, but it is possible that Gustin's performance set an in-house standard for Spohr to match, even if he would not get the top job. Quite possibly, they got fired, basically because they openly refused to accept that the sun shone out of Spohr's backside ! That's indeed quite possible......Jump to post
Dismissal in this way, as opposed to resignation, may well suspend 'restraint of trade' employment clauses. Perhaps this successful double act will be turning up very soon to haunt their former masters? Even if they could I doubt they would do it. It's not so easy to start an airline from scratch i...Jump to post
Would I be cynical to suggest that maybe Spohr saw Gustin as the heir apparent to his job, and in a fairly short time-scale?
Doubt it. But Eurowings brand, service and cost structure may be even better suited for AFrica flights. Don't think so since there was a consensus to keep the Brussels Airlines brand for the African flights due to the fact that the Eurowings brand would fail in that market. You might not know this ...Jump to post
KarelXWB wrote:bralo20 wrote:It's interesting that the Board supports the LCC plan and backs Carsten Spohr. Why is that?
If SN is owned/controlled by a german entity (LH) and it is no longer run by Belgian nationals..... Could Belgium-Africa rights be in peril? Unfortunately the rights aren't in peril thanks to the ownership construction of Brussels Airlines (this was even before LH owned it in place). Brussels Airli...Jump to post
Today the Belgian (Wallonian) newspaper La Libre Belgique announced that Bernard Gustin, CEO of Brussels Airlines and Jan De Raeymaeker, CFO received a letter terminating their employment with Brussels Airlines. According to the article on aviation24.be (http://www.aviation24.be/airlines/lufthansa-g...Jump to post
Wow! 430 aircraft in one order. Is this the biggest single order ever made? I know it's MoU, but like KarelXWB mentioned.. 99% of MoU get firmed. When speaking of the amount of planes it's indeed the largest single order ever (when firmed). In terms of value that one goes to Boeing and EK when they...Jump to post
I'm bummed that the planes will be in Eurowings livery. While it's a nice livery, I'd much prefer to see them flying in Brussels paint! You're not the only one who would love to see these in SN livery but they're not birds for SN (ok technically they are for SN but they wont operate for SN), they a...Jump to post
SuperTwin wrote:Seems ripe for some consolidation and simplification.
According to some sources on luchtzak.be, Eurowings will adapt to the hybrid Brussels Airlines model. LH noticed that SN is very successful and will change Eurowings into the sort of airline that Brussels airlines is at the moment, a hybrid airlines with both low cost and full service on board, ther...Jump to post
Huge catch for BRU airport it is... CX must rely on strong O&D market expectations as BRU is a large Star Alliance hub. But this was never a problem for Hainan. Not exactly, CX made a big codeshare deal with the LH group, so we'll probably see quite a few CX codeshare flights ex-BRU on SN, LH, ...Jump to post
A330freak wrote:Schedule for the new flights
-Brussels 4x weekly from 27 March 18
-Copenhagen 3 weekly from 2 May 18
-Dublin 4 weekly from 2 June 18
http://www.routesonline.com/news/38/air ... ce-in-s18/
Trivial maybe with regards to the mismatched parts on the aircraft... and I get airlines from time to time have to replace parts with what they can find, but Brussels Airlines has mismatched parts on nearly the entire fleet of A330's, bringing it inline with the livery merely meant, perhaps pair or...Jump to post
Seems strange that they only have schedules so far out, is it not? I'd be interested to see what the interior is like. There can't be too much of the SN brand in it? Also, since we're speaking of contract flying for SN, the ERJ145 and Dash-8s are still in operation right? Seems odd that they would ...Jump to post
Even this archived A.net thread from over a decade ago, mentions the 74L & his type rating on the 744. Travolta isn't type rated on the 747, according to the FAA he's qualified in: Medical Medical Class: First, Medical Date: 4/2017 MUST WEAR CORRECTIVE LENSES FOR NEAR AND DISTANT VISION. Certif...Jump to post
I expect that only the two 332s owned by parent Lufthansa won't be replaced. Those two might also be the only owned planes in the SN fleet. Most of those A333s are ready for scrap...they have the first one in service that flew for Air Inter. OO-SFT, SFX and SFY will remain in the SN fleet. (leasing...Jump to post
Varsity1 wrote:Where are they coming from?