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by bzcat
Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Tahiti Nui CEO Hints Nonstop Flights To Paris With 787-9
Replies: 77
Views: 15107

Re: Air Tahiti Nui CEO Hints Nonstop Flights To Paris With 787-9

I think the answer is already there if you read read the article and the thread. 787-9 can do direct but with a significant payload reduction. Article says LFs are 70% on average to 80-85% at peak when hotel capacity is maxed out - so the seats are already empty. Also how much cargo needs to go dir...

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by bzcat
Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Taiwan Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 28
Views: 3797

Re: Taiwan Aviation Thread - 2019

I heard that Mainland China STILL DOESN'T ALLOW Taiwanese airlines to fly through its airspace for Europe bound traffic in 2019. When is this going to be rectified!? Currently the only options are north via Russia or south via Vietnam/India/Turkey. I know European airlines that fly to TPE like AF/K...

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by bzcat
Mon Jan 28, 2019 8:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why doesn’t DL and AA fly NYC-Asia?
Replies: 61
Views: 10424

Re: Why doesn’t DL and AA fly NYC-Asia?

Wasn't NW strong in Asia as well? I wonder why can't DL follow its lead. Northwest was a powerhouse in Asia Hence the Moniker Northwest Orient. Somehow after the merger Delta seems to have squandered all of that and I'm not sure they can get it back as all the team that had that knowledge seems to ...

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by bzcat
Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:50 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Which Chinese airline will order A330neo first?
Replies: 45
Views: 6049

Re: Which Chinese airline will order A330neo first?

CN3 airlines and their subsidiaries also do not order planes by themselves so you won't see a small unidentified order attributed to a CN3 airline. Like I said earlier, a lot of airlines are waiting to see 797 spec which will help inform their decision. A339 is known but 797+78J is an option if you ...

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by bzcat
Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines and the Boeing 767-200
Replies: 31
Views: 9526

Re: American Airlines and the Boeing 767-200

The last few years of 762 in the AA fleet, they were mostly used on SFO and LAX-JFK transcon and the occasional LAX-MIA. I probably flew on 762ER on LAX-JFK 30 or 40 times and probably rotated thru all the remaining 762ER that were still in the fleet. The front cabin recliners were badly out of date...

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by bzcat
Fri Jan 18, 2019 7:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s
Replies: 96
Views: 9439

Re: Confirmed: Airbus signs MoU with Taiwan's Starlux Airlines

First service planned January 2020 with 2 or 3 destinations. http://focustaiwan.tw/news/aeco/201901160027.aspx Longhaul planned for 2022 with target of US markets like Seattle, San Francisco, Los Angeles, New York, Chicago and Houston. Goal is for transit between the U.S. and Southeast Asia to repr...

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by bzcat
Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA + CZ partnership: AA doesn't fly to CAN and CZ doesn't fly to DFW?
Replies: 21
Views: 3173

Re: AA + CZ partnership: AA doesn't fly to CAN and CZ doesn't fly to DFW?

AA invested in CZ in order to secure feeds to smaller cities in China that is not economically feasible to serve non-stop from the US. CAN is a terrible place to connect to most parts of China, geographically speaking. You are overflying PEK and PVG on the way to CAN, and then back track if you want...

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by bzcat
Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LAX Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 86
Views: 13188

Re: LAX Aviation Thread - 2019

AA might be the largest carrier at LAX but hardly 'dominant'. Yes, 21% of total ops compared to 16% for DL and UA each, and 13% for WN. That is not dominance. https://www.lawa.org/-/media/lawa-web/statistics/market-share-statistics/m_share-2018.ashx%3Fla%3Den%26hash%3D7582814AB63B9EFA3B855D4D5E1E87...

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by bzcat
Thu Jan 17, 2019 2:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian, 777F, ET-AVN Flight ET3728 Interception
Replies: 19
Views: 4719

Re: Ethiopian, 777F, ET-AVN Flight ET3728 Interception

There appears to be a geopolitical issue at play here where Singapore controls the FIR over Riau Islands and Riau provinces of Indonesia. https://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2019/01/16/indonesia-gains-flight-control-over-riau-skies.html Sounds like it. Indonesian Air Force picked a non-revenue carg...

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by bzcat
Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why is SQ non-stop flying to EWR and not JFK like the other flight via FRA?
Replies: 75
Views: 15490

Re: Why is SQ non-stop flying to EWR and not JFK like the other flight via FRA?

I think the answer is that SQ wanted to serve both airports so it chose one for each one of its flights. It will be interesting to see if SQ has any large corporate accounts with HQ located in NJ.

CX also served both JFK and EWR but I think it's because it can't get any more slots at JFK.

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by bzcat
Tue Jan 15, 2019 12:38 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Which Chinese airline will order A330neo first?
Replies: 45
Views: 6049

Re: Which Chinese airline will order A330neo first?

LDRA wrote:
Do they need NEO? If route is relatively short, CEO is more suitable.


And they all have ordered or already operate 787 or A350 for long haul.

Chinese airlines are not any different than other Asian A330 operators. They are all waiting for Boeing to firm up 797 specs before they decide what to do.

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by bzcat
Fri Jan 11, 2019 7:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: HNA mulls alliance membership by setting up taskforce for feasibility study
Replies: 26
Views: 3576

Re: HNA mulls alliance membership by setting up taskforce for feasibility study

If HNA sells HX, perhaps to CX, then I think that clears the way for it to join OW. If HNA holds on to HX, ST seems like the only possibility. Not sure how MU would react... but I think MU doesn't have veto power in ST like CX has in OW. Plus if Chinese Govt wants it to happen, MU won't stand in the...

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by bzcat
Thu Jan 10, 2019 8:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chinese [large] airlines and their subsidiaries
Replies: 13
Views: 2089

Re: Chinese [large] airlines and their subsidiaries

Nothing different then in the US I suppose. With a lot of regional (local) airlines. Only some have them have merged in to larger regionals. Quite different IMO. There are many regionals, but they dont operate typically under their own livery. Honestly, most consumers see American Eagle or United E...

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by bzcat
Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chinese [large] airlines and their subsidiaries
Replies: 13
Views: 2089

Re: Chinese [large] airlines and their subsidiaries

Air China in its turn has: Air China Cargo (51%) Air Macau (66.9%) Ameco (75%) Dalian Airlines (80%) Shenzhen Airlines (51%) Shandong Airlines Tibet Airlines Dalian Airlines was interesting. I flew on them once. The flight was actually sold as a straight-up CA flight with a CA flight number, and I ...

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by bzcat
Wed Jan 09, 2019 11:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LAX Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 86
Views: 13188

Re: LAX Aviation Thread - 2019

As a frequent Delta passenger I see exciting artist depictions of what the Terminal 2 and 3 rebuild will look like in the coming years. But judging from the recent holiday traffic around the LAX horseshoe this past Christmas and New Years, how can a plan for a people mover and a new Metro Line stat...

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by bzcat
Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CAAC unveils slots allocation/airline distribution for Beijing’s upcoming PEK/ZBAD dual-hub system
Replies: 72
Views: 10051

Re: CAAC unveils slots allocation/airline distribution for Beijing’s upcoming PEK/ZBAD dual-hub system

Only China can have several government under one country. Imagine making each state it's own special region here in the U.S. You must obtain a visa when traveling to another state. US citizens need a passport to enter Guam, a US territory. Not all that different with China/Hong Kong. Not really. Yo...

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by bzcat
Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chinese [large] airlines and their subsidiaries
Replies: 13
Views: 2089

Re: Chinese [large] airlines and their subsidiaries

It's all about local politics. The genesis of a lot of these regional airlines in China were due to the various 5-year plans dictated by the central Govt. When Beijing tells you to grow GDP in your region by X% every year, the easiest way to do it is to build stuff... deserted highways, empty apartm...

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by bzcat
Wed Jan 09, 2019 2:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CAAC unveils slots allocation/airline distribution for Beijing’s upcoming PEK/ZBAD dual-hub system
Replies: 72
Views: 10051

Re: CAAC unveils slots allocation/airline distribution for Beijing’s upcoming PEK/ZBAD dual-hub system

That means HKG airport does not have a domestic terminal, correct? Since all flights are international. That is correct. There are no "domestic" flights at HKG. All departing passengers have to go thru exit immigration check and all arriving non-transit passengers have to go thru entry im...

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by bzcat
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CAAC unveils slots allocation/airline distribution for Beijing’s upcoming PEK/ZBAD dual-hub system
Replies: 72
Views: 10051

Re: CAAC unveils slots allocation/airline distribution for Beijing’s upcoming PEK/ZBAD dual-hub system

That means HKG airport does not have a domestic terminal, correct? Since all flights are international. That is correct. There are no "domestic" flights at HKG. All departing passengers have to go thru exit immigration check and all arriving non-transit passengers have to go thru entry im...

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by bzcat
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CAAC unveils slots allocation/airline distribution for Beijing’s upcoming PEK/ZBAD dual-hub system
Replies: 72
Views: 10051

Re: CAAC unveils slots allocation/airline distribution for Beijing’s upcoming PEK/ZBAD dual-hub system

Sorry what airline is "CN"? Grand China Air https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grand_China_Air CN is not an active airline. There are a few aircraft painted with CN title but they operate under HU code and call sign in China. HNA Group originally intended to consolidate its various internation...

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by bzcat
Tue Jan 08, 2019 9:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Helsinki in vogue: Tibet Airlines to fly to HEL from Lhasa via Jinan in April, followed by CZ/HO from CAN/PVG later
Replies: 58
Views: 10623

Re: Helsinki in vogue: Tibet Airlines to fly to HEL from Lhasa via Jinan in April, followed by CZ/HO from CAN/PVG later

Kind of random... almost nonsensical route. TV is owned by CA but is starting a long haul flight from an airport in Shandong that it doesn't currently serve. Why is this flight not operated by Shandong Airlines (SC), another airline owned by CA? I guess SC (which has all 737 fleet) doesn't have the ...

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by bzcat
Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Confirmed: StarLux orders 17 A350s
Replies: 96
Views: 9439

Re: Confirmed: Airbus signs MoU with Taiwan's Starlux Airlines

There is no point trying to corner the market at RMQ... there is relatively very little travel demand compare to TPE. Plus the airport is a joint military and civilian facility so I wonder really how many more flights it can handle if someone setup a airline hub there. Air travel level in Taiwan is ...

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by bzcat
Tue Jan 08, 2019 8:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LAX Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 86
Views: 13188

Re: LAX Aviation Thread - 2019

Here are all the confirmed construction projects under construction or about to start construction: T1.5 connector between T1 and T2 which will include landside and airside connection and office space T2/T3 modernization/partial tear down and rebuild T3-TBIT connector TBIT MSC North T4/T5 moderizati...

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by bzcat
Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Taiwan Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 28
Views: 3797

Re: Taiwan Aviation Thread - 2019

When is Starlux supposed to receive its aircrafts on order?

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by bzcat
Fri Jan 04, 2019 12:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B777-9 future prospects?
Replies: 350
Views: 52490

Re: B777-9 future prospects?

I would think that most 77W operators will eventually order some. The only ones that may not are the one that have A359 and may choose A351 instead to replace their 77W.

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by bzcat
Thu Jan 03, 2019 12:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Japan-Maui nonstop flight?
Replies: 66
Views: 10244

Re: Japan-Maui nonstop flight?

I chuckle at the thought that Hawaii is over-touristed. It's hardly overrun with tourist. It's not hard to find peace and quite somewhere on the islands if you so desire even on Oahu. Most popular attractions do not have long lines or require advanced reservations months ahead. What's really differe...

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by bzcat
Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Japan-Maui nonstop flight?
Replies: 66
Views: 10244

Re: Japan-Maui nonstop flight?

Seems like both AA and UA have 777’s scheduled. So that should not be the limitation. I guess you didn't pay attention to the discussion up thread about headwinds going west bound and tailwinds going east bound. 777 can take off from OGG but evidently not with enough fuel west bound to Japan due to...

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by bzcat
Fri Dec 21, 2018 9:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Miami to Asia still in the works
Replies: 132
Views: 13454

Re: Miami to Asia still in the works

I remember hearing a few years back that the largest local markets from MIA to East Asia are (in no particular order) TPE, HKG, and MNL. A MIA-NRT nonstop could serve all three of those markets well on a one-stop basis, as well as taking advantage of some Japan point of sale traffic to MIA, MCO, an...

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by bzcat
Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Malta might consider A321LR to fly to NY, Toronto, Mumbai
Replies: 49
Views: 7739

Re: Air Malta might consider A321LR to fly to NY, Toronto, Mumbai

MLA-JFK overflies BCN (0% deviation from great circle)... Air Malta being an EU carrier should have traffic rights ex-Spain right?

That's the only way I see the flight working... with a stopover in BCN.

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by bzcat
Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Malaysia Airlines drops first class, rebrands it as Business Suites
Replies: 27
Views: 6278

Re: Malaysia Airlines drops first class, rebrands it as Business Suites

They should have done this when the first A380 was delivered! It's about bloody time that they ditch F. You missed the whole point, they aren’t ditching F. They just aren’t calling it F anymore. So all they are doing is ditching the name. Yes, it's just stupid change in the marketing name for first...

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by bzcat
Mon Dec 10, 2018 8:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Releases 777X BBJ; 11,000+ nm Range
Replies: 68
Views: 14135

Re: Boeing Releases 777X BBJ; 11,000+ nm Range

Still not enough range to do AKL-MAD (assuming you can't overfly Antarctica)...

Edit: nevermind, it does have enough range to do AKL-MAD via northern hemisphere. Forgot to change my GCmap setting to nautical miles

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by bzcat
Thu Dec 06, 2018 11:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Routing of non-stop flights Europe-Hong Kong during the 1980s
Replies: 59
Views: 10610

Re: Routing of non-stop flights Europe-Hong Kong during the 1980s

I'm pretty sure the original CX HKG-LHR routing went thru BKK control so they took the southern route via India, never entering Chinese air space.

It wasn't until the late 1980s or maybe even early 1990s that CX got to overfly Western China.

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by bzcat
Tue Dec 04, 2018 7:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX
Replies: 24
Views: 6035

Re: Norwegian second largest foreign carrier at LAX

LAWA Jan-Oct foreign air carrier market share statistics (pdf) https://www.lawa.org/-/media/lawa-web/statistics/market-share-statistics/m_share-2018.ashx?la=en&hash=7582814AB63B9EFA3B855D4D5E1E87972FA0DE11 For foreign carriers: 1. Air Canada - 1,291,826 2. Qantas - 891,779 3. Volaris - 611,714 ...

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by bzcat
Tue Dec 04, 2018 2:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA mulling move to LHR T5
Replies: 81
Views: 13769

Re: AA mulling move to LHR T5

This may be a stupid question but is it possible to build an automated train between T3 and T5 to solve the connection problem?

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by bzcat
Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why is JFK the only major US airport without a centralized Int'l terminal?
Replies: 48
Views: 8193

Re: Why is JFK the only major US airport without a centralized Int'l terminal?

Airlines do not *own* terminals at JFK. They own the rights to operate them. Actually they do own the terminals at JFK. And at LAX as several people have already noted, there is no dedicated international terminal either with int'l arrival in T2, TBIT, T4, T6/T7 FIS. There is one terminal with the ...

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by bzcat
Thu Nov 15, 2018 7:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: China Southern to exit SkyTeam
Replies: 108
Views: 24168

Re: Official: CZ to exit SkyTeam

Any word on CZ subsidiary MF (Xiamen Airlines) will follow it out of SkyTeam? Would be kind of award if the parent airline is out by the subsidiary airline is still in.

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by bzcat
Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: China Southern mulls establishment of subsidiary Xiongan Airlines based at Beijing’s new airport
Replies: 15
Views: 2547

Re: Rumor: China Southern mulls establishment of subsidiary Xiongan Airlines based at Beijing’s new airport

It's another "fake" airline. CZ code, CZ crew, CZ planes. Just with a different title painted on the fuselage and slightly different boarding gate graphics. By my count, this is the 4th such airline CZ has setup in recent years that operates entirely within CZ with CZ code, CZ crew, and CZ...

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by bzcat
Thu Nov 15, 2018 6:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: China Southern to exit SkyTeam
Replies: 108
Views: 24168

Re: Official: CZ to exit SkyTeam

I'm guessing this all has to do with CZ's pending move to new airport in Beijing and the OW carriers not wanting it to become a ST fortress. Not all OW carriers will move to the new airport but if CZ and MU are both still in ST, it makes it more difficult down the road for OW carriers to expand at t...

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by bzcat
Mon Nov 05, 2018 10:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United takes delivery of first Boeing 787-10
Replies: 102
Views: 24476

Re: United takes delivery of first Boeing 787-10

MileHFL400 wrote:
so who's next in line for the dash ten?


I think KL is next, then BA and BR are supposed to get their first frame by mid 2019.

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by bzcat
Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why no consolidation of Asia Pacific Airlines?
Replies: 36
Views: 5195

Re: Why No Condolidation of Asia Pacific Airlines

Asia is not one aviation market. There would be all sorts of traffic rights problems with Asian cross border mergers. Neither is Latin America, but it didn't stop Latam and Avianca Most Asian countries have very strict national ownership restrictions that prohibit significant foreign investment. Th...

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by bzcat
Thu Oct 18, 2018 10:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Next Non-US BA Longhaul Destination?
Replies: 106
Views: 13131

Re: Next Non-US BA Longhaul Destination?

Taipei would be to me the most interesting move. And realistically, probably the one market in the region that can support both consistent yield and load that BA does not already serve. The bi-lateral between UK and Taiwan is really restrictive so only UK airline can add non-stop flight and frequen...

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by bzcat
Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:41 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Future Air Canada International routes
Replies: 28
Views: 4168

Re: Future Air Canada International routes

More YYZ-east Asia... Lots of flights from Asian carriers to Toronto by AC doesn't seem very interested.

And maybe YYC-Europe or YYC-Asia.

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by bzcat
Wed Oct 03, 2018 8:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Can a 747-400 fly JFK-HKG non-stop
Replies: 35
Views: 11977

Re: Can a 747-400 fly JFK-HKG non-stop

I’m actually quite curious which airline started their direct JFK route first, BR or CX with their new introduced 77W back in that time. CX with A346 in 2002. Replaced by 77W in 2007. Not exactly sure when BR started, first 77W arrived 2005? That's easy, considering that BR is relatively new to JFK...

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by bzcat
Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pilots avoid collision at IAD after controller mistake
Replies: 21
Views: 7606

Re: Pilots avoid collision at IAD after controller mistake

The cockpit voice recorder should be interesting. The UA crew was alert and made good decision to abort. The AA crew also made good decision to not proceed... they must have saw the UA 739 rolling down the runway. The Skywest crew probably didn't see the 739 because they would have only seen the AA ...

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by bzcat
Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lufthansa to launch FRA-AUS in May '19, switch FRA-KIX to MUC, increase MUC-ICN, MUC-SIN, new MUC-BKK
Replies: 102
Views: 21110

Re: Lufthansa to launch FRA-AUS in May '19, switch FRA-KIX to MUC, increase MUC-ICN, MUC-SIN, new MUC-BKK

ShinyAndChrome wrote:
Interesting to see the KIX switch. I wonder if they'll bring the 747 to MUC like they have on FRA.


This kind of switch is usually due to demand from influential corporate accounts that take up significant traffic. I'm guessing the auto industry business travelers prefer MUC.

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by bzcat
Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Las Vegas New Airport (Ivanpah Valley)
Replies: 100
Views: 14487

Re: Las Vegas New Airport (Ivanpah Valley)

He is somewhat correct, the taxi firms had a big hand in the monorail not going out to the airport, however, they really didn't have a lot to do with the failure of it, that is more down to design, it's a pain in the butt to use, you have to walk long distances at most of the hotels it serves and i...

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by bzcat
Tue Sep 25, 2018 11:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why no US carriers fly to BNE from mainland?
Replies: 30
Views: 3738

Re: Why no US carriers fly to BNE from mainland?

AA is the only US airline that may service BNE from mainland. And only if the AA-QF JV is approved.

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by bzcat
Wed Sep 19, 2018 7:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Singapore Changi Airport wants a new non-stop flight route to Vancouver
Replies: 66
Views: 13238

Re: Singapore Changi Airport wants a new non-stop flight route to Vancouver

Only 30k a year? That’s actually not big at all. Yeah. 2-3 times a week on a 300 seater like SQ’s A350. Not even. It’s 40 PDEW. And 20 of them probably will still fly via TPE or ICN because it is cheaper than YVR-SIN non-stop. There is a reason why there is no non-stop service on this route. Just n...

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by bzcat
Fri Sep 14, 2018 5:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hawaiian going to BOS
Replies: 138
Views: 19548

Re: Hawaiian going to BOS

Schedule is loaded into HA system: HA89 BOS-HNL 8:00am - 1:40 pm HA90 HNL-BOS 1:45pm - 6:00am Leaving and arriving into Terminal E according to the Globe article. Looking at those times its safe to say they’ll be using two frames for this service? Is that typical of HA’s Mainland flying? Out-and-ba...

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by bzcat
Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air China sells cargo division
Replies: 4
Views: 1830

Re: Air China sells cargo division

MU still owns 51% of China Cargo Airlines (CK) with SQ and BR owning the rest so it is sort of still involved. The dedicated freighter business in China is evolving in the same way as the US with passenger airlines mostly getting out of the business. CA: Air China Cargo CA (active for sale), Jade Ca...

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