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by odafz
Tue Jun 20, 2017 4:39 pm
Forum: Aviation Hobby
Topic: HIMALAYA AIRLINES
Replies: 1
Views: 473

HIMALAYA AIRLINES

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Do you have more info on this airline apart Wikepedia and this post
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by odafz
Tue Aug 12, 2014 9:09 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: RZjets Still Down.
Replies: 5
Views: 3777

RE: RZjets Still Down.

I have been trying to contact the hosting company for more details, I need the site for the quality of information necessary for my work

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by odafz
Mon Jan 13, 2014 7:30 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Jordan RoyalJordanian Amman
Replies: 26
Views: 27939

RE: Jordan RoyalJordanian Amman

always entertaining and I loved it... did you have those arabic sweets or a jordanian diner? No MEA plane what a pity..LOL

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by odafz
Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:34 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: 5 Stops: UA Island Hopper HNL-GUM Video Report
Replies: 22
Views: 16651

RE: 5 Stops: UA Island Hopper HNL-GUM Video Report

exceptional, original excellent... it seems i was travelling with you the whole time. Thank you for sharing. Would it be possible to include the arrival time at each of your stops it would give to the readers the length of the trip and state when you crossed the internatonal date line... it would be...

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by odafz
Fri Oct 11, 2013 2:10 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Thai Smile Plus To Krabi And Phi Phi
Replies: 34
Views: 18940

RE: Thai Smile Plus To Krabi And Phi Phi

As always a treat to the eyes. beautiful and amazing
Thank you for sharing a truly amazing experience. The photos are superb. You should work for the
Thai Tourist organisation
Kristian

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by odafz
Mon Jul 01, 2013 1:28 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Night Stop In Beirut: Turkish A333 & MEA A320/A332
Replies: 67
Views: 27375

RE: Night Stop In Beirut: Turkish A333 & MEA A320/A332

As a Lebanese , I am always worried about a foreigner's view of my country as unfortunately our country is associated with less than pristine fame. Definitely, the approach through <acronym title="Beirut - Rafic Hariri International (BEY / OLBA), Lebanon">BEY</acronym> must be during daylight and It...

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by odafz
Wed Jun 19, 2013 2:17 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Aegean Airlines A3633/A3632-LYS-ATH-LYS-Inaugural
Replies: 11
Views: 12552

RE: Aegean Airlines A3633/A3632-LYS-ATH-LYS-Inaugural

Quite enjoyable trip report with very nice pictures. Just a small detail the trip from the Airport to the city centre takes 42 minutes and by bus between 70 and 80 minutes for a better fare. Traffic jams are not to be expected unless there is a strike of public transport ( or when the city center is...

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by odafz
Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:20 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: A Very Royal Princess Cruises Inaugural+Aer Lingus
Replies: 38
Views: 12539

RE: A Very Royal Princess Cruises Inaugural+Aer Lingus

an entertaining report well documented and well photographed ... thank you for the dream.

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by odafz
Tue Jun 18, 2013 12:41 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: "Give Me Five Tripreporters For Man"
Replies: 23
Views: 24951

RE: "Give Me Five Tripreporters For Man"

I can not believe the quick pace of your travels but then you are able to deliver a brilliant trip report, Loved the Chester reportage . Your trip reports are quite uplifting as we (as a country and myself)) are going through hard times, it is very nice to dream..

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by odafz
Mon Jun 17, 2013 5:50 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: "Short Connections Around The Isle Of Man"
Replies: 19
Views: 23660

RE: "Short Connections Around The Isle Of Man"

as always enttertaining and with exceptional good pictures. Thanks for sharing

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by odafz
Fri Feb 01, 2013 8:38 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Largest Routes Not Flown For Political Reasons?
Replies: 42
Views: 11298

RE: Largest Routes Not Flown For Political Reasons

DAM-<acronym title="Tel Aviv (-Jaffa) - Ben Gurion (Lod) (TLV / LLBG), Israel">TLV</acronym> <acronym title="Beirut - Rafic Hariri International (BEY / OLBA), Lebanon">BEY</acronym>-<acronym title="Tel Aviv (-Jaffa) - Ben Gurion (Lod) (TLV / LLBG), Israel">TLV</acronym> <acronym title="Larnaca - Int...

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by odafz
Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will MEA Ever Serve Bangkok?
Replies: 7
Views: 2526

RE: Will MEA Ever Serve Bangkok?

plus <acronym title="Emirates (United Arab Emirates)">EK</acronym>, <acronym title="Qatar Airways">QR</acronym>, and <acronym title="Etihad Airways (United Arab Emirates)">EY</acronym> provide excellent connections through their respective hubs from Beirut. The market is O & D and probably has v...

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by odafz
Fri Dec 28, 2012 8:18 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Which Cities Replaced Airports In Recent Years?
Replies: 18
Views: 5660

Which Cities Replaced Airports In Recent Years?

Bir Hassan Airport in Beirut was replaced in 1954 by Khalde International Airport (named now Rafic Hariri International airport ) .

Athens International airport was replaced by the New Eleftherios Venizelos airport in 2001.

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by odafz
Wed Dec 05, 2012 9:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cyprus Airways Restructure Thoughts
Replies: 15
Views: 2595

RE: Cyprus Airways Restructure Thoughts

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/usdcaguy" class="quote" target="_blank">usdcaguy</a> (<a href="#3" class="quote">Reply 3</a>):<br/><i>know <acronym title="Cyprus Airways">CY</a...

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by odafz
Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:54 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Small Island, Small Airline: Bluebird TLV-KGS-TLV
Replies: 17
Views: 12006

RE: Small Island, Small Airline: Bluebird TLV-KGS-TLV

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/taloush" class="quote" target="_blank">taloush</a> (<a href="#13" class="quote">Reply 13</a>):<br/><i>If I told my parents I was holidaying in a...

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by odafz
Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airport Name Changes
Replies: 86
Views: 12687

RE: Airport Name Changes

Beirut International Airport was re-named into Rafic Harriri Airport after its assassination in 2005

Tripoli International airport (Libya) had consecutive names : Castel Benito- Idriss al Awal-Tripoli Idriss International airport- Tripoli International airport.

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by odafz
Fri Aug 17, 2012 5:03 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: AF Flight To Beirut Diverted To Damascus
Replies: 35
Views: 11821

RE: AF Flight To Beirut Diverted To Damascus

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/heysfo" class="quote" target="_blank">heysfo</a> (<a href="#15" class="quote">Reply 15</a>):<br/><i> IDF said no to flying via Israeli airspace,...

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by odafz
Wed Jun 20, 2012 8:45 am
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Africa (iii); The Medivac QR Rtn& A3 TLV-ATH
Replies: 69
Views: 24338

RE: Africa (iii); The Medivac QR Rtn& A3 TLV-ATH

Good morning young man I am amazed with your story telling talent and you are the new Stanley Livingstone of the internet age. I will not comment on your fascinating story but to thank you for the very nice pictures of my birth town ( I was born in Alexandria) and I get emotional by seeing them. Tha...

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by odafz
Tue Jun 19, 2012 9:39 am
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Air Choice One: BRL-ORD On Cessna Caravan
Replies: 13
Views: 18725

RE: Air Choice One: BRL-ORD On Cessna Caravan

love your experience
love your photos
love your writing
excellent report , please continue
and a CRJ to ELP....god forbids...LOL

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by odafz
Thu Jun 14, 2012 7:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iata : Eurozone Crisis Can Kill Some Airlines
Replies: 43
Views: 9395

RE: Iata : Eurozone Crisis Can Kill Some Airlines

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/PezySPU" class="quote" target="_blank">PezySPU</a> (<a href="#31" class="quote">Reply 31</a>):<br/><i>His post is fine if you ask me. Is it that...

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by odafz
Wed Jun 13, 2012 6:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Iata : Eurozone Crisis Can Kill Some Airlines
Replies: 43
Views: 9395

RE: Iata : Eurozone Crisis Can Kill Some Airlines

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Ferroviarius" class="quote" target="_blank">Ferroviarius</a> (<a href="#25" class="quote">Reply 25</a>):<br/><i>That's what I am a little bit, l...

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by odafz
Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN Makes 1q Profit
Replies: 43
Views: 4264

RE: WN Makes 1q Profit

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/MSPNWA" class="quote" target="_blank">MSPNWA</a> (<a href="#9" class="quote">Reply 9</a>):<br/><i>RASM /PRASM increase of just 2 to 3% (<acronym...

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by odafz
Fri Apr 20, 2012 6:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AMR Reports $1.7 Bil Q1 Loss
Replies: 32
Views: 7754

RE: AMR Reports $1.7 Bil Q1 Loss

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/panamair" class="quote" target="_blank">panamair</a> (<a href="#3" class="quote">Reply 3</a>):<br/><i>Operating loss of $101m (operating margin ...

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by odafz
Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:13 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Scandinavian Take Me Home-MD80 ATH-CPH-DUB J Class
Replies: 60
Views: 17157

RE: Scandinavian Take Me Home-MD80 ATH-CPH-DUB J Class

I fear I will repeat myself , outstanding report. Nothing beats the homemade melomacarona ( in Egypt and Lebanon they are called them finikia, because it has the shape of a date, which is the fruit the Virgin Mary ate in her escape to Egypt) BTW , no pictures of <acronym title="Macae (MEA / SBME), B...

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by odafz
Tue Apr 17, 2012 1:54 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: British Midland International-A History A Tribute.
Replies: 51
Views: 13053

RE: British Midland International-A History A Tribute.

loved your report Philip. The image of <acronym title="Stockholm - Bromma (BMA / ESSB), Sweden">BMA</acronym> will be forever associated with leasing its B707 to Sudan <acronym title="Air Niger">AW</acronym> and Syrian Arab Airlines in the seventies. <acronym title="Stockholm - Bromma (BMA / ESSB), ...

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by odafz
Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:40 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon
Replies: 26
Views: 15856

RE: Olympic Air TLV-ATH-TLV + Visit To Hellinikon

"in my opinion, <acronym title="OLD: Athens (- Hellinikon) (ATH / LGAT) (closed), Greece AND CURRENT: Athens - Eleftherios Venizelos (Spata) (ATH / LGAV), Greece">ATH</acronym> airport is one of the most boring, dull, gray airport terminals I have ever seen" As are most of newly built airports, I wi...

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by odafz
Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:27 am
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Air France Have You Really Improved? DUB-CDG-ATH.
Replies: 62
Views: 20181

RE: Air France Have You Really Improved? DUB-CDG-ATH.

Philip, Always a treat to read your report, obviously you did not fly the same company I flew with in June 2011. I have a written a report but it is so insulting and demeaning to Air France that I preferred not to share it publicly.I did not want to risk a libel suit from Aeroports de Paris and Air ...

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by odafz
Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Identify This Plane?
Replies: 13
Views: 13282

RE: Identify This Plane?

The interior is of a Convair 880, CAT had some examples in their fleet in the mid sixties. and CAT stands for Civil Air Transport the predecessor of China Airlines .

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by odafz
Wed Feb 15, 2012 7:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Gulf Air To Shut Down ATH, DAM, KUL, MXP
Replies: 21
Views: 9160

RE: Gulf Air To Shut Down ATH, DAM, KUL, MXP

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/OA260" class="quote" target="_blank">OA260</a> (<a href="#8" class="quote">Reply 8</a>):<br/><i>Still will be a shame not to see the <acronym ti...

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by odafz
Wed Feb 08, 2012 8:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN: If You Don't Check Bags, Do You Avoid Them?
Replies: 64
Views: 10319

RE: WN: If You Don't Check Bags, Do You Avoid Them?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/kgaiflyer" class="quote" target="_blank">kgaiflyer</a> (<a href="#63" class="quote">Reply 63</a>):<br/><i>I'm puzzled. </i></font></td></tr></ta...

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by odafz
Mon Feb 06, 2012 8:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN: If You Don't Check Bags, Do You Avoid Them?
Replies: 64
Views: 10319

RE: WN: If You Don't Check Bags, Do You Avoid Them?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/kgaiflyer" class="quote" target="_blank">kgaiflyer</a> (<a href="#60" class="quote">Reply 60</a>):<br/><i>For instance, the weekend of March 31s...

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by odafz
Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:23 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: Olympic AIR-ΟΛYMΠIAKH Celebrate2 YearsA319/IST-ATH
Replies: 44
Views: 9703

RE: Olympic AIR-ΟΛYMΠIAKH Celebrate2 YearsA319/IST-ATH

Dear Philip, I read both your <acronym title="OLD: Athens (- Hellinikon) (ATH / LGAT) (closed), Greece AND CURRENT: Athens - Eleftherios Venizelos (Spata) (ATH / LGAV), Greece">ATH</acronym>-<acronym title="Istanbul - Ataturk (Yesilkoy) (IST / LTBA), Turkey">IST</acronym> and <acronym title="Istanbu...

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by odafz
Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: One More Reason Not To Fly - Children
Replies: 159
Views: 19851

RE: One More Reason Not To Fly - Children

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/XXXX10" class="quote" target="_blank">XXXX10</a> (<a href="#1" class="quote">Reply 1</a>):<br/><i>Personally I don't think famlies should be giv...

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by odafz
Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN Staff Member Takes Terminally Ill Child's Chair
Replies: 104
Views: 21590

RE: WN Staff Member Takes Terminally Ill Child's Chair

It must have been a very awkward if not tragic incident. But 2 things come to mind : rules are rules and they must be enforced , the link comes from Fox Boston....My very limited exposure to the American media allows me to say that Fox is not famous for its sterling reporting ( pepper spray.... it i...

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by odafz
Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar Airways To Add 2 More Indian Destinations
Replies: 13
Views: 8604

RE: Qatar Airways To Add 2 More Indian Destinations

Nagpur was already on QR map back in 2006/7 and was canceled if my memory is correct in 2008, but i will see Lucknow and Varanasi as new destinations.

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by odafz
Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:42 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Senate Bill To Ban Bag Fees
Replies: 217
Views: 17344

RE: Senate Bill To Ban Bag Fees

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/TVNWZ" class="quote" target="_blank">TVNWZ</a> (<a href="#7" class="quote">Reply 7</a>):<br/><i>Since I check no bags, why should I subsidize th...

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by odafz
Thu Nov 24, 2011 9:31 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Senate Bill To Ban Bag Fees
Replies: 217
Views: 17344

RE: Senate Bill To Ban Bag Fees

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/EA+CO+AS" class="quote" target="_blank">EA CO AS</a> (<a href="#71" class="quote">Reply 71</a>):<br/><i>I frequently travel from Phoenix to Seat...

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by odafz
Wed Nov 23, 2011 9:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CO's EWR-ATH
Replies: 23
Views: 5620

RE: CO's EWR-ATH

@skyduster On behalf of Greek a.netters thank you for explaining the situation and shedding a true light on the Greek situation. Having said the above, <acronym title="Continental Airlines (USA)">CO</acronym>/UA has not the best record in maintaining the <acronym title="Newark - Liberty Internationa...

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by odafz
Fri Nov 18, 2011 7:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Algerie 747, After 28 Years, The Pics...
Replies: 33
Views: 14987

RE: Air Algerie 747, After 28 Years, The Pics...

Irene,
Merci de nous faire partager ces photos exceptionelles et rares

Thank you for sharing those beautiful and rare pictures.

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by odafz
Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Some Questions About Inflight Paper Menus
Replies: 51
Views: 10575

Some Questions About Inflight Paper Menus

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/qf002" class="quote" target="_blank">qf002</a> (<a href="#20" class="quote">Reply 20</a>):<br/><i>Agreed, and it doubt it would anything like th...

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by odafz
Sat Oct 22, 2011 1:18 pm
Forum: Aviation Hobby
Topic: Possible Airliner Show In HKG?
Replies: 2
Views: 9304

Possible Airliner Show In HKG?

I really enjoy going to airline collectibles shows to discover the timetables, safety cards, postcards, advertisements, dining service items...etc, that airlines have been issuing for the past century, and meet many wonderful friends who collect them. While these shows <a href="http://www.vcibackup....

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by odafz
Tue Oct 18, 2011 8:42 am
Forum: Aviation Hobby
Topic: Airline Artifact Collections
Replies: 1
Views: 10580

Airline Artifact Collections

I really enjoy going to airline collectibles shows to discover the timetables, safety cards, postcards, advertisements, dining service items...etc, that airlines have been issuing for the past century, and meet many wonderful friends who collect them. While these shows <a href="http://www.vcibackup....

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by odafz
Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did South African Serve Beirut?
Replies: 5
Views: 2512

RE: Did South African Serve Beirut?

No South African never served <acronym title="Beirut - Rafic Hariri International (BEY / OLBA), Lebanon">BEY</acronym> . Passengers to South Africa would connect in <acronym title="OLD: Athens (- Hellinikon) (ATH / LGAT) (closed), Greece AND CURRENT: Athens - Eleftherios Venizelos (Spata) (ATH / LGA...

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by odafz
Thu Sep 08, 2011 6:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: YAK-42 Crash On Take Off In Russia 36 Dead
Replies: 148
Views: 45060

RE: YAK-42 Crash On Take Off In Russia 36 Dead

another sad day in the aviation world. May they est in peace. My thoughts are to the relatives and friends may they find courage and solace to get over this tragedy

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by odafz
Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why Are There No Europe To HNL Flights?
Replies: 155
Views: 23160

RE: Why Are There No Europe To HNL Flights?

I think to answer this question one might consider why there are non- stop services between : <acronym title="Washington - Dulles International (IAD / KIAD), USA - Virginia">IAD</acronym>, <acronym title="New York - John F. Kennedy International (Idlewild) (JFK / KJFK), USA - New York">JFK</acronym>...

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by odafz
Tue May 24, 2011 7:21 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airlines Without Crashes
Replies: 61
Views: 15244

RE: Airlines Without Crashes

you can add Aegean Airlines , Oman air, Eva Air, Air Mauritius,Druk Air to name a few.

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by odafz
Tue Mar 08, 2011 7:41 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Is Air France French?
Replies: 45
Views: 17613

RE: Is Air France French?

and because the French would never fall to the lower standards that some have demonstrated here. I got extremely pleasant flights flying numerous times Air France on their <acronym title="OLD: Athens (- Hellinikon) (ATH / LGAT) (closed), Greece AND CURRENT: Athens - Eleftherios Venizelos (Spata) (AT...

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by odafz
Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:40 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: The Express To Maybe Sunny Adana
Replies: 43
Views: 33289

RE: The Express To Maybe Sunny Adana

Hi Marcus
Let me join the cheering crowd once more.
A very nice and entertaining report, i always love the fact that in your short hops , you have time to visit the town and give us some extremely nice pictures of the town , its pulse and irs people. Keep the good work

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by odafz
Wed Mar 02, 2011 2:14 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: TAP Portugal J Class/MSC Cruise Liner & Aer Lingus
Replies: 55
Views: 17264

RE: TAP Portugal J Class/MSC Cruise Liner & Aer Lingus

Philip, A little bit late to join the happy cheering crowd, but please let my voice to be added once again to a very nice and informative travel report , always enjoyable to read. I would have never touched that UFO ( Unidentified Food Object) but that comes with the territory of adventureland. Than...

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by odafz
Tue Feb 15, 2011 6:38 pm
Forum: Trip Reports
Topic: European Capital Tour, Part 2: CDG-ATH-LHR-HEL
Replies: 27
Views: 10383

RE: European Capital Tour, Part 2: CDG-ATH-LHR-HEL

Dear <acronym title="Tower Air (USA)">FF</acronym> Thank you for such a nice report, and I am happy that you liked <acronym title="Aegean Aviation (Greece)">A3</acronym> and <acronym title="Olympic Airways (Greece)">OA</acronym>. Speaking of temperatures, for us, Greeks, 10C is freezing cold and we ...

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