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by frigatebird
Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Norwegian Air Cancels Orders For 92 737 MAXs and 5 787s
Replies: 126
Views: 23193

Re: Norwegian Air Cancels Orders For 92 737 MAXs and 5 787s

Eventually they could even use the A320neo as replacement for the 737NG when times are getting better. BOC can probably place DY's MAX's at other airlines eventually. That doesn’t make much sense. DY will probably be the home for many of BOC’s or Aercap’s (another owner) 737MAXs assuming the compan...

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by frigatebird
Tue Jun 30, 2020 9:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Norwegian Air Cancels Orders For 92 737 MAXs and 5 787s
Replies: 126
Views: 23193

Re: Norwegian Air Cancels Orders For 92 737 MAXs and 5 787s

Could Norwegian lessors make some better money using part of the current DY fleet with any better business, or do you see Norwegian getting back to its pre-covid size (in short haul) no matter in how much time? I don't know. I see several posters argue DY should cancel their Airbus orders too, and ...

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by frigatebird
Wed Jun 17, 2020 10:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet
Replies: 90
Views: 19482

Re: IB announces the retirement of A346 fleet

Well not unexpected but do I count myself lucky I was on my first (and most likely last) A346 flight SCL-MAD last November. On the last produced A346 ever too. :cloudnine: And it really was much nicer than the A359 I have to say....

SA's A346s are on their way out too, will LH retain theirs?

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by frigatebird
Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing to close 777x and 787 order before month-end
Replies: 140
Views: 33819

Re: Boeing to close 777x and 787 order before month-end

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Well the 2x 777F are now on Boeing's orderbook. UFO of course. But no new 787/777X order.
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by frigatebird
Fri Jun 05, 2020 10:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing to close 777x and 787 order before month-end
Replies: 140
Views: 33819

Re: Boeing to close 777x and 787 order before month-end

The way the article is worded, it is a new 777X customer (so not ANA) who already has 787s (the article says "additional" 787 orders). JAL? Air France? KLM? Qantas? EVA? (its not any Chinese airline, thats for sure) I would ruled out Qantas for A350-1000. KLM isn't a premium heavy airline...

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by frigatebird
Wed May 27, 2020 1:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ​Internal tussle as Boeing weighs future of 747
Replies: 327
Views: 49096

Re: ​Internal tussle as Boeing weighs future of 747

Just wondering, why didn't Boeing just declare the 747 EOS when Triumph/Vought,shut down production of key 747 structural parts? The decision of Triumph/Vought cannot have come as a surprise to Boeing, you just don't make such a decision without having discussed it with a client where you have a 50+...

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by frigatebird
Thu May 21, 2020 10:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SAA Leasing A350
Replies: 244
Views: 60176

Re: SAA Leasing A350

Another new SAA A350 Destination is FRA. I just found out that the aircraft type on my SA260 trip next July has changed from A346 to A359. I would have such mixed feelings if this happened to me ;) Happened to me twice, and I had these mixed feelings too. Last autumn my IB flight to EZE changed fro...

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by frigatebird
Tue May 12, 2020 10:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Planes in boneyards that are never scrapped
Replies: 35
Views: 9744

Re: Planes in boneyards that are never scrapped

Now I know why the Royal Australian Air Force buried their F-111's under the dirt - it must have been too expensive to scrap them. ]FYI - Google "Buried F-111's" to see the shots of Australian recycling methods! Thanks, never knew about that. According to one of the articles I googled, it...

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by frigatebird
Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup
Replies: 208
Views: 23332

Re: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup

The only rumor I heard was that some leases on the KL A330’s have just recently been extended to 2026. That would raise some eyebrows if correct. Oh wow that's new to me. But good news for you if correct! :highfive: And for passengers too of course. Before the current crisis plans were to have the ...

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by frigatebird
Thu Apr 30, 2020 11:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup
Replies: 208
Views: 23332

Re: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup

I maybe mistaken but the last 787-9 hasn't been delivered to AirFrance yet and is now on stand-by until further notice. After that, AirFrance will have only A350-900 and A220-300 on order. KLM has 787-9 /-10 and 190-E2 on order. Technically you're correct, the 10th 787 hasn't entered AF's fleet yet...

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by frigatebird
Thu Apr 30, 2020 10:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup
Replies: 208
Views: 23332

Re: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup

In terms of fleet though aren't we (or weren't we) moving toward the A350 family for longhaul and A220 for shorthaul anyway? Are you forgetting a fleet of 787s? AF doesn't have any 787s on order (any more). They still have 10 787s which isn't large enough a fleet to have a common type rating for th...

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by frigatebird
Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup
Replies: 208
Views: 23332

Re: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup

While I can understand the Dutch in some way it did not work out alone before. So would they want to unite with say BA or LH? They would have the same conflicts all over again. So I guess not. They would need to find a way to survive alone. Times have changed since the AF/KL marriage. At the time, ...

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by frigatebird
Wed Apr 22, 2020 8:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: SAA shrinks even further, laying off staff
Replies: 218
Views: 43937

Re: Updated: SAA shrinks even further, laying off staff

Rumors about a government backed airline / successor for SAA https://liveandletsfly.com/new-south-african-airline/ Wonder what will happen with the tickets I have for a SAA flight later this year (purchased these long before the COVID-19 crisis of course). Hoped I could still use them on a later da...

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by frigatebird
Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Icelandair reiterates interest in potential Airbus order
Replies: 79
Views: 18729

Re: Icelandair reiterates interest in potential Airbus order

Icelandic business newspaper Viðskiptablaðið has some sources saying that Icelandair may end up cutting its fleet down by more than half, perhaps as small as 12 aircraft. Of course, all long term plans have been severely disrupted at most airlines in the world. I wonder what this means for Ielandai...

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by frigatebird
Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southern African & Indian Ocean Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 115
Views: 11505

Re: Southern African & Indian Ocean Aviation Thread - 2020

Seemingly the South African government has finally pulled the plug on SAA. Sad days but very necessary I think. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-14/south-african-airways-denied-further-funding-by-government-owner Their luck ran out. But for Corona, they might have made it. They won't...

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by frigatebird
Wed Apr 15, 2020 9:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 153
Views: 35634

Re: Boeing 777 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

One 777-300ER delivered in March, the last for United. The next two frames spotted in production are LNs 1652 and 1655 for Aeroflot. Unfilled orders at the end of March now stand at 18, according to Boeing figures released yesterday ; Aeroflot - 3 BOC - 3 KLM - 2 Novus ( for British ? ) - 4 Pakista...

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by frigatebird
Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France KLM - Master Thread
Replies: 275
Views: 39848

Re: Air France & KLM - Master Thread

The KL A330-300’s are leased and the talk has always been that these would leave around 2021/22, before the -200’s. Almost all -200’s have been bought (albeit with a mortgage). It would seem evident to me that the -300s will go now, especially with the near same seat count they have as the 789. KL ...

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by frigatebird
Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Cuts A320, A330, and A350 Production Rate
Replies: 120
Views: 13886

Re: Airbus Cuts A320, A330, and A350 Production Rate

In addition to cancelled and deferred orders, the global downturn brings some other issues top of mind, that Airbus has been wrestling with, some without clear direction or success. A320. Becomes even more pivotal and THE cash cow for the foreseeable future. Airbus has been adding volume, but witho...

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by frigatebird
Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders
Replies: 190
Views: 47813

Re: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders

The A350-900 cancellations are -7 in the updated January file, but Feb is -2, they made it look like 5 cancellations changed back to orders. In February the unidentified A359 orders also went from 7 to 0, with 2 cancellations, that would mean that 5 were identified as KU orders, which have now been...

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by frigatebird
Thu Apr 09, 2020 7:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus Cuts A320, A330, and A350 Production Rate
Replies: 120
Views: 13886

Re: Airbus Cuts A320, A330, and A350 Production Rate

Don't know, but KU added 5 x A359 in March. Hmmn... cancelling A359 s and then reinstating 5 now does suspiciously look that their A338 is on the way "out"..... :stirthepot: https://d3lcr32v2pp4l1.cloudfront.net/Pictures/780xany/1/4/0/68140_kua330neo2_799560.jpg https://d3lcr32v2pp4l1.clo...

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by frigatebird
Wed Apr 08, 2020 6:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders
Replies: 190
Views: 47813

Re: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders

ouch, I wonder who are behind the A350 order/cancellation and who is canceling the A220-300? After scanning the O&D spreadsheet SaudiGulf has cancelled their entire order of 16 x A220-300 A350 Changes: LATAM -4 x A359, -6 x A35K Undisclosed -10 x A359 Kuwait Airways +5 x A359 10x A359 have to b...

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by frigatebird
Wed Apr 08, 2020 3:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020
Replies: 607
Views: 56241

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, April 2020

Why on earth would the rest not be so easy to cancel? Boeing had not fulfilled their contractual obligations. With the delays already incurred, why is it not up to Air Canada to decide if they want to cancel some, all or none of their order? Just because they cancel some now doesn't mean they will ...

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by frigatebird
Wed Mar 25, 2020 11:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 153
Views: 35634

Re: Boeing 777 Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

CX Flyboy wrote:
I expected the Aeroflot to be in the new colours

:wideeyed: Now that you mention it, indeed! Either the new scheme is for the A350 only (unlikely), or they forgot to inform Boeing (stranger things have happened...) :hissyfit:

It's a stunningly beautiful photo btw :bigthumbsup:

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by frigatebird
Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Farnborough airshow 2020 cancelled
Replies: 9
Views: 2069

Farnborough airshow 2020 cancelled

Just read it on their Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/FarnboroughAirshow/?__tn__=kC-R&eid=ARB524W5p93C-797vdMsWCQm_W3DOE0Sz8tjcZIjcsWMdLGA-NUOZUkAHZx24Slqr355BPS_hOvh8Q6f&hc_ref=ARS2I3xVO_ncgWLxF9OaD0qS0YdL2udmu034DZqv87JTzQKK2LrfSyV6UIUu92ZMF1I&fref=nf&__xts__[0]=68.ARDDjHFi...

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by frigatebird
Thu Mar 05, 2020 12:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: RUMOUR; Ex-Jet Airways 77W’s to find new home.
Replies: 73
Views: 15447

Re: RUMOUR; Ex-Jet Airways 77W’s to find new home.

It is however unclear what's going on with the one sitting at Schiphol. There's no news on that frame for a longtime. I could be wrong but I don't think these are destined for KLM as the replacement for the 747 Is well underway. Adding extra capacity would be welcome but then they need to find the ...

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by frigatebird
Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Fleet Status - 2020
Replies: 22
Views: 5210

Re: Emirates Fleet Status - 2020

Potentially seven if they take the B778s and the A339s. Well, 777-9 and 777-8 is in the same family and both are quite similar. As for the A330-900, I do not think they ordered it (yet). Wouldn't it be more reasonable to expand the 777-9 order to 777-10 instead of taking A330-900? But who knows wha...

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by frigatebird
Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cargo facts Rumor: Airbus nears launch of A350 freighter
Replies: 139
Views: 21924

Re: Cargo facts Rumor: Airbus nears launch of A350 freighter

In an earlier thread about a possible A350F launch, LH was mentioned as a possible launch customer. Don't know if they still have the need for new freighters. Will be interested to know how the payload/range capabilities will be vs the 777F and A330F. And if Boeing will respond with a 777XF. They sh...

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by frigatebird
Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM to get proper premium economy.
Replies: 24
Views: 5699

Re: KLM to get proper premium economy.

KLM should keep Y+ while adding W. This could also result in more revenue as well with fewer seats. That Y aisle is super cramped since KLM chose 17.5” width while still going 10 abreast. They will: https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/categorie/2/airlines/klm-economy-comfort-blijft-in-stand-na-i...

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by frigatebird
Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft, UPDATE: HNA group revealed as buyer
Replies: 271
Views: 64490

Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft, UPDATE: HNA group revealed as buyer

I’d agree. Keep in mind, they cancelled A350 orders at the same time. How many other airplanes were cancelled at the time of this order? They cancelled 23 A350-900s in December. (8x Hong Kong Airlines, 15x that were still unidentified) I had a suspicion the cancellation of the A350s and the order f...

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by frigatebird
Thu Feb 20, 2020 12:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM to get proper premium economy.
Replies: 24
Views: 5699

Re: KLM to get proper premium economy.

However, hopefully KLM doesn’t use AF(and aeroflot’s which are putting new ones in their A350) seats which are incredibly uncomfortable and have some of the flimsiest tables. I saw the bad reviews on the AF (and Alitalia) PE seats, therefore decided to lift my ban on IB and go for their PE. I must ...

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by frigatebird
Tue Feb 18, 2020 9:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Bamboo Airways Plans To Buy 12 Boeing 777Xs Worth $5 Billion
Replies: 89
Views: 12623

Re: Breaking: Bamboo Airways plans $5 billions order for 12 777Xs

While i'm confident in Vietnam economic growth, I think Bamboo Airways is over-ordering here. 30 787-9 + 12 777X, that's a lot of seats to fill for such a new airline. But I won't complain if they launch new European destinations. They will launch Hanoi-Prague in the next few weeks, with Munich and...

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by frigatebird
Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM considers A321 order
Replies: 271
Views: 50580

Re: KLM considers A321 order

However I still have the impression KLM wants the MAX but if Boeing can't get it's stuff sorted (soon) they will go for the A320. In a perfect world, I understand that MAX would have been a no brainer at KLM. But in the real world, where KLM is part of AF-KLM group, where the MAX is grounded with u...

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by frigatebird
Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders
Replies: 190
Views: 47813

Re: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders

Wow, great start of the year for Airbus! Have they ever booked so many orders in any previous January? I think LH has 45 orders (now apparently 43). The original order for 25, of which 15 have been delivered so far and a new order for 20, in march 2019 (when they also ordered the B787-9 and announce...

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by frigatebird
Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: SAA shrinks even further, laying off staff
Replies: 218
Views: 43937

Re: SAA shrinks even further

So how many planes will SAA ground once these routes ended? At least a large part of their A340 fleet. The 4 A350s they lease are apparently enough to cover long haul routes. FRA is now also an A350 route, a destination which doesn't really require the range of the A350. I actually find this encour...

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by frigatebird
Wed Feb 05, 2020 5:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pegasus Airlines Flight PC2193 Runway Overrun at Istanbul (SAW)
Replies: 290
Views: 49358

Re: PC2193 runway overrun at Istanbul (SAW)

Dutch tv news now reporting 52 people injured.

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qf789 wrote:
First flight for first A359 for Aeroflot

Image

https://twitter.com/Frenchpainter/statu ... 04480?s=20

Almost looks an -800 from that angle.

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by frigatebird
Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:04 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Why is UX using a widebody on its MAD-AMS route ?
Replies: 10
Views: 874

Re: Why is UX using a widebody on its MAD-AMS route ?

its all about cargo. AMS is the biggest perishable hub in Europe and trucking from MAD into AMS could be too long, in order to be competetive UX is flying the full ULD's incoming from LATAM into MAD with this flight to AMS Interesting, thanks. Wonder if LATAM will be looking for a direct AMS flight...

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by frigatebird
Mon Feb 03, 2020 4:02 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Why is UX using a widebody on its MAD-AMS route ?
Replies: 10
Views: 874

Re: Why is UX using a widebody on its MAD-AMS route ?

AMS is slot constrained and therefore UX can't add more frequencies. They seem to have the demand so they use a larger airplane. Correct. They used to deploy a widebody on one of their daily frequencies, but it wasn't enough. So now its on both frequencies the case. On year ago I thought it was the...

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by frigatebird
Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Etihad Airways Future
Replies: 26
Views: 7553

Re: Etihad Airways Future

Reducing the current fleet to 82...with 82 more orders coming in?! They’d have to cancel quite a bit on top of what was cancelled and then retire all 777 and a330 and a380s And just be 787/a350/a320 fleet. Not bad but it’d cost more to be like that for sure. That’s basically EY’s long term plan (we...

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by frigatebird
Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SAA Leasing A350
Replies: 244
Views: 60176

Re: SAA Leasing A350

Don’t know if this has been posted before, but SAA will deploynthe A350 to FRA too. Booked a flight in September and although it shows A346 on booking sites, I noticed in my booking the seating is 3-3-3 so it’s an A350. Too bad, A346 would be nice as we’re travelling with a group of 4, 2-4-2 seating...

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by frigatebird
Fri Jan 24, 2020 12:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Wirtschaftswoche: Ryanair to buy up 100 A320/A321neo for Lauda
Replies: 66
Views: 11024

Re: Wirtschaftswoche: Ryanair to buy up 100 A320/A321neo for Lauda

Brought air travel to many places that would never have got it and thereby a little bit of local prosperity and given employment to ten of thousands (admittedly many under terrible contracts but at least they still have work). But this is called exploitation of workers. The way he comes hard on peo...

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by frigatebird
Fri Jan 24, 2020 9:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Wirtschaftswoche: Ryanair to buy up 100 A320/A321neo for Lauda
Replies: 66
Views: 11024

Re: Wirtschaftswoche: Ryanair to buy up 100 A320/A321neo for Lauda

Well this where MoL's rather unusual negotiation tactics (aka arrogance) and publicity-seeking ego are backfiring. 50% discount for an order up to 100 narrowbody aircraft normally isn't unusual at all. But with an A320neo backlog of 6000 aircraft Airbus can set the conditions. And although I don't b...

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by frigatebird
Wed Jan 22, 2020 3:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What are KLM 737 replacement options?
Replies: 508
Views: 53768

Re: What are KLM 737 replacement options?

KLM was very disappointed with the quality of the 787-10, does that play a role in the new narrowbody decision? I.e. choosing Airbus because they were disappointed with Boeing on the 787-10? I don’t think so, maybe I’m wrong. KLM was so disappointed with the 787-10, they converted the remaining 787...

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by frigatebird
Fri Jan 17, 2020 4:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Greenland selects A330-800
Replies: 65
Views: 14834

Re: Air Greenland selects A330-800

So, they’re not behind the UFO order for 40 after all.... :duck:

Seriously though, I like the all red livery. Hope they keep it, won’t replace with the umpteenth IB, EI, SU etc eurowhite and colored tail variant

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by frigatebird
Thu Jan 16, 2020 3:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing orders from China could resume now that trade deal is signed
Replies: 85
Views: 8146

Re: Boeing orders from China could resume now that trade deal is signed

I'm not sure this is going to happen in a hurry. There are too many unknowns. (Starting with the MAX...) And China holds the best cards here. Expect them to play their cards carefully. Agreed, China was first to ground the MAX, they will not order those for at least a year after the MAX is allowed ...

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by frigatebird
Wed Jan 15, 2020 10:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders
Replies: 486
Views: 135704

Re: Airbus and Boeing 2019 Orders

Order Summaries for 2019 https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49385963247_733ec5d4d1_n.jpg Note: Boeing net and backlog numbers include ASC 606 adjustments per their website. Wow this has to be the most lopsided race in over a decade. In a two horse race, it doesn’t help if one horse has temporarily...

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by frigatebird
Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft, UPDATE: HNA group revealed as buyer
Replies: 271
Views: 64490

Re: Undisclosed customer orders 40 A330 NEO aircraft

IAG.To split between BA,IB etc - highly unlikely Agree with a few others, suspect ordered by China to split between the big 3. Could it be possible China ordered 40 A330neo to enable HNA cancelling some of their A350 orders? I realise HNA is privately owned, but it's not in China's interest either ...

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by frigatebird
Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta “Waiting To Order” Boeing NMA
Replies: 232
Views: 28683

Re: Delta “Waiting To Order” Boeing NMA

So .. launch of a $15 Billion program without any launch orders? I dont get the impression that any of the airlines or suppliers are aware of any impending launch. No news about any nextgen engine which, IMO, is crucial. Maybe tight lips? And all the while ... there's a flood of orders in their hun...

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by frigatebird
Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta “Waiting To Order” Boeing NMA
Replies: 232
Views: 28683

Re: Delta “Waiting To Order” Boeing NMA

It took Boeing nearly six years from MAX launch to EIS. It took Boeing six years from 747-8 launch to EIS. The 777X will be over seven years from launch to EIS. Those were all derivatives of existing frames. Boeing's last all-new frame took over seven years from launch to EIS rather than the planne...

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by frigatebird
Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta “Waiting To Order” Boeing NMA
Replies: 232
Views: 28683

Re: Delta “Waiting To Order” Boeing NMA

What I understand is a launch in 2022-2025 for an EIS in 2027. It is also doable ... I agree with RJMAZ :thumbsup: It took Boeing nearly six years from MAX launch to EIS. It took Boeing six years from 747-8 launch to EIS. The 777X will be over seven years from launch to EIS. Those were all derivati...

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