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by frigatebird
Fri Sep 21, 2018 11:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Would KLM be interested in an Airbus 380 combi version ?
Replies: 28
Views: 4073

Re: Would KLM be interested in an Airbus 380 combi version ?

Lastly, KL has not been doing a good job with their cargo operations under the previous CEO. They lost a lot of business to the ME3, and also to other cargo operators (which they really shouldn't have, they really did screw up). I'm curious, how exactly did the screw up? They totally neglected thei...

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by frigatebird
Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: Emirates is exploring to take over Etihad
Replies: 78
Views: 14177

Re: Emirates is exploring to take over Etihad

Biggest headwind is this 150+ very costly aircraft on order that it doesn’t want, and can’t cancel. These can be cancelled, but very likely only at high cost: penalties and/or forfeiting downpayments. A 'merged' EK/EY could use the 787s, probably the 777X's too, but not the A350s and A32x's. EY on ...

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by frigatebird
Wed Sep 19, 2018 8:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Would KLM be interested in an Airbus 380 combi version ?
Replies: 28
Views: 4073

Re: Would KLM be interested in an Airbus 380 combi version ?

Combi aircraft are a thing of the past. It used to be a good idea, and the 742 and 744 combis had some success. Important was that it was possible to convert combis back to full passenger version relatively easy. Airlines have made use of this conversion possibility several times, and it was an impo...

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by frigatebird
Fri Sep 07, 2018 11:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: No A380 for KLM?
Replies: 37
Views: 6904

Re: No A380 for KLM?

- While Schiphol is full, it's only a imposed limit, talks are starting and it would be easier to add a extra frequency in the future. Most of the reasons why KL doesn't operate the A380 has been discussed many times, so I won't rehash these again. The one you mention above is a more recent develop...

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by frigatebird
Thu Aug 30, 2018 5:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: British Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon
Replies: 218
Views: 43406

Re: Rumour: British Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

The 777-9 was officially launched at the Dubai airshow in November 2013. LH indeed committed to the 777X a few months before, but were also concerned with EK's influence on the final specs. And BA even used the term 'Emiratisation' IIRC. Boeing had been pushing the 777X since 1st May 2013, when the...

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by frigatebird
Thu Aug 30, 2018 1:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: British Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon
Replies: 218
Views: 43406

Re: Rumour: British Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

What changed is that Boeing now formally offers the 777-9. At the time of the A35K order, the 777X was not officially launched yet. Define "launched". The 777X was granted authority to offer on 1st May 2013. BA placed their order for A35Ks on 25th September 2015. They would have known exa...

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by frigatebird
Thu Aug 30, 2018 10:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: British Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon
Replies: 218
Views: 43406

Re: Rumour: British Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

I still wonder has Boeing talked about a lower-weight version of the 777-8 (with a range of around 7,700 nautical miles) that would be of interest to BA? I think a lot of airlines don't need the capacity of the 777-9 but like a 777-8 with 7,700 nautical mile range. What benefits would this offer ov...

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by frigatebird
Tue Aug 28, 2018 1:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400
Replies: 447
Views: 158998

Re: KLM Started Phase Out Of The 747-400

Well, some of you know that all their 744 will phased out by 2019 or 2020. Spring 2021. Just flip back one page: Most recent KLM 744 phase-out schedule (subject to change) : PH-BFC 7 Mar-18 PH-BFB Nov-18 PH-BFU Dec-18 PH-BFG Nov-19 PH-BFH Mar-20 PH-BFI May-20 PH-BFS Jun-20 PH-BFT Oct-20 PH-BFL Nov-...

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by frigatebird
Thu Aug 23, 2018 2:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: British Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon
Replies: 218
Views: 43406

Re: Britiah Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

I wouldn't trust a rumour from a random pilot too much. Anyway, BA eventually needs to replace some 100 A320ceo, and have just initiated the 777-200 withdrawal with the recent order for 3x 777-300ER. For the 777-200ER, a mix of 787-9 on shorter flights, and A350-900s on the longer ones would make s...

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by frigatebird
Fri Aug 17, 2018 10:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Which Frame Will Be More Efficient....The A35J or the 779?
Replies: 299
Views: 29515

Re: Which Frame Will Be More Efficient....The A35J or the 779?

And we have reports from our respected member Lightsaber that the GE9x engine is already better than spec after the first engine tests. So we'll have wait and see how the airlines will act. I heard the initial tests resulted in an engine failure, a significant redesign, and a high probability of no...

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by frigatebird
Fri Aug 17, 2018 8:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Which Frame Will Be More Efficient....The A35J or the 779?
Replies: 299
Views: 29515

Re: Which Frame Will Be More Efficient....The A35J or the 779?

No one can yet tell. The 779 hasn’t flown yet so fuel burn is hypothetical. And this is the only correct answer right now. By EIS I suspect there will be further 351 PIPs both engine, aero and weight (mass for the pedants like me). That's highly likely. And we have reports from our respected member...

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by frigatebird
Wed Aug 15, 2018 9:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - 2018
Replies: 903
Views: 227771

Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - 2018

KLM 789 PH-BHP returns to PAE after a test flight https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DkRHRfkUcAAawyL.jpg https://twitter.com/JenSchuld/status/1028024987012161536 Final 789 for KLM? Final 789 for KLM from the current AF/KL order. KL will receive 8 more 787-10s between 2019-2021. I do expect a follow up ord...

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by frigatebird
Wed Aug 01, 2018 3:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - 2018
Replies: 903
Views: 227771

Re: 787 Production/Delivery Thread - 2018

KLM 789 PH-BHP initial APU run at the fuel dock https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dje2AchVsAAIcgP.jpg https://twitter.com/mattcawby/status/1024487585706467328 13th and final 787-9 for KLM for now. Last 8 787s on order for KL will be 787-10s. Allthough I fully expect AF/KL group to convert options for add...

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by frigatebird
Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aeroméxico E190 Accident in Durango July 31
Replies: 259
Views: 48096

Re: Aeroméxico E190 Accident in Durango July 31

I'm not an expert, when I look at photos and videos it seems to me: - Aircraft took off with a storm approaching; - Wind gusts blew the plane a bit left of the runway; - Engine failure in combination of wind gusts caused the plane to touch the ground, shearing off an engine shortly followed by the o...

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by frigatebird
Wed Aug 01, 2018 1:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF/KLM mulls JV with Air Europa
Replies: 12
Views: 2629

Re: AF/KLM mulls JV with Air Europa

Air Europa is a bit low costish and drab perhaps. All Skyteam airlines: Air France, KLM, Delta (transatlantic), AeroMexico, Alitalia all serve free meals (or snacks if the flight is under ar. two hours) and (alcoholic) drinks. Also they didn't let me in their lounge while according to Skyteam rules...

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by frigatebird
Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future CSeries Orders (Post Airbus-Bombardier deal)
Replies: 189
Views: 24204

Re: Future CSeries Orders (Post Airbus-Bombardier deal)

EasyJet is the largest A319 operator in the world. They could use the CS300 to replace the A319 in the future. Given that EasyJet is moving away from the 150 seat market with their new orders for the A320/1Neo, it wouldn't appear likely. That said, the CSeries is now a contender with any Airbus ope...

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by frigatebird
Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future CSeries Orders (Post Airbus-Bombardier deal)
Replies: 189
Views: 24204

Re: Future CSeries Orders (Post Airbus-Bombardier deal)

Which raises the question -- depending on value, would airlines be able to convert (not necessarily 1:1) existing orders from Airbus to CSeries models and vice versa without incurring penalties under this limited partnership :?: Not very likely - except perhaps airlines which have the A319neo on or...

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by frigatebird
Wed Oct 04, 2017 1:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA 777-200ER replacement, A350 , 787-9 order potential
Replies: 252
Views: 35922

Re: AA 777-200ER replacement, A350 , 787-9 order potential

Now here is an interesting question. Imagine if the AA-US merger did not happen. US would have stayed independent with its three main hubs, PHX, CLT and PHL they would have kept their A350 order, and their first A350 would already be delivered by now, if not already their first 2 A350s. On what rou...

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by frigatebird
Wed Sep 27, 2017 11:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AF A380 retrofit plan - any update
Replies: 51
Views: 12737

Re: AF A380 retrofit plan - any update

I dont think AF has ever been found a comfortable niche for the A380 fleet in the network. It canceled its last 2 frames in favor of more A350s. I do firmly believe they are giving serious consideration about the future of the model with the leases scheduled to end in 2020, along with fact they con...

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by frigatebird
Tue Sep 26, 2017 8:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar orders additional 77W and 748F
Replies: 26
Views: 6942

Re: Qatar orders additional 77W and 748F

4 less 777-300ERs for Boeing to worry about closing the gap till 777X. Boeing closed the gap by lowering production rate to 3.5 aircraft per month. And I think almost all production slots of the 'old' 777s have been filled by now. Of course, we've heard the same from Airbus 2 years ago with the A33...

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by frigatebird
Fri Sep 22, 2017 11:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Turkish Airlines to purchase up to 40 787-9 aircraft
Replies: 159
Views: 26533

Re: Turkish Orders 40 787 Dreamliners

Someone mentioned this second supposedly Airbus order to go Boeing way. Who was the first? Malaysia Airlines. http://www.turkishairlines.com/en-int/corporate/press-room/press-releases/press-release-detail/turkish-airlines-announces-a-commitment-to-order-20-20-787-9-dreamliners-talks-with-boeing-sta...

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by frigatebird
Fri Sep 22, 2017 7:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Turkish Airlines to purchase up to 40 787-9 aircraft
Replies: 159
Views: 26533

Re: Turkish Orders 40 787 Dreamliners

I would have been very surprised if they would not ordered the 787, I would also be surprised if there won't be an A350 order down the road in a couple of years. It was one of the last large airlines that didn't have any orders for the next gen wide-bodies. Hopefully they will firm it up soon, then...

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by frigatebird
Wed Sep 13, 2017 2:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MH to place order for 25 widebodies by end of 2017
Replies: 266
Views: 60095

Re: MH orders 787s

Is MH going to operate a handful aircraft of each type (A330ceo/A330neo/787/A350)? And take out a leaf out TG's book? Looks like it. At least they could try and standardize on one engine manufacturer - but that would have to be RR.... Which would lead the PM to :hissyfit: (Malaysia's PM, not our ow...

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by frigatebird
Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CX firms up A321neo order, rejigs A350 order book
Replies: 26
Views: 7920

Re: CX firms up A321neo order, rejigs A350 order book

Wonder what this means for their 777X orders? Nothing, else the article would have mentioned it. The 777X hasn't entered production yet so there are no upcoming production slots to rejig, though growth will have to pick up in the coming years otherwise deferrals are inevitable. I would think Boeing...

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by frigatebird
Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ME3 carriers enter talk about aircraft deferrals
Replies: 31
Views: 6205

Re: ME3 carriers enter talk about aircraft deferrals

Last month AerCap CEO Gus Kelly revealed that the ME3 carriers have entered discussions with Airbus and Boeing about aircraft deferrals. AerCap chief Gus Kelly says the Gulf carriers are talking to Airbus and Boeing about deferrals. Could be hit to 777X, other programmes. https://twitter.com/e_russ...

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by frigatebird
Wed Sep 13, 2017 12:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CX firms up A321neo order, rejigs A350 order book
Replies: 26
Views: 7920

Re: CX firms up A321neo order, rejigs A350 order book

Wonder what this means for their 777X orders? Nothing, else the article would have mentioned it. So six A35K are to be converted into six A359, that's a revenue loss for Airbus. Perhaps. But always better than a cancellation. It's typical for the current market though, there is overcapacity. Widebo...

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by frigatebird
Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MH to place order for 25 widebodies by end of 2017
Replies: 266
Views: 60095

Re: MH to place order for 25 widebodies by end of 2017

I dont see anything fishy with order. It been well known MH was considering the 787. There is a growing group of airlines that are also opting for 787/350 mix, so MH would not be unique. MH certainly has long relationship with Boeing over multiple models. Also order announcement during PM trip to U...

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by frigatebird
Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MH to place order for 25 widebodies by end of 2017
Replies: 266
Views: 60095

Re: MH to place order for 8 B787s

I can't see Boeing discounting the 787-8 deeply though, it's almost as expensive to build as a 787-9, so that one I dismiss. The 787-9 is a good airplane, but the A339 is pretty close in efficiency. It's would be quite a bit more expensive for MH IMO, and I don't think Boeing would discount despera...

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by frigatebird
Tue Sep 12, 2017 12:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MH to place order for 25 widebodies by end of 2017
Replies: 266
Views: 60095

Re: MH to place order for 8 B787s

I agree with your analysis. The 787-10 seems to be the variant MH would be mostly interested in... but do MH have many very high density Asian routes where the A330s aren't enough? Thanks. Perhaps MH sees the 787-10 as the only option for a competitive advantage over Garuda (A339 on order), AirAsia...

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by frigatebird
Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MH to place order for 25 widebodies by end of 2017
Replies: 266
Views: 60095

Re: MH to place order for 8 B787s

Hey Folks, Najib is in the US to visit Trump, and as part of the visit, a deal for 8 units of B787 is going to be announced: http://www.todayonline.com/business/malaysia-airlines-announce-deal-buy-8-boeing-787-jets-sources http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/business/malaysia-airlines-to-announce-d...

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by frigatebird
Thu Sep 07, 2017 9:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA changes order for 35 A350-1000s to 45 A350-900s
Replies: 170
Views: 36242

Re: UA changes order for 35 A350-1000s to 45 A350-900s

Well, there were rumours the current UA board was not too happy with discounts they received for the A35K order, so I guess Airbus had to concede something in that area. 45 A359's for the price of 35 A35K's would mean roughly 10% additional discount, but usually in these kind of negotiations partie...

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by frigatebird
Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA changes order for 35 A350-1000s to 45 A350-900s
Replies: 170
Views: 36242

Re: UA changes order for 35 A350-1000s to 45 A350-900s

scbriml wrote:
frigatebird wrote:
45 A359's for the price of 35 A35K's would mean roughly 10% additional discount


They're not getting 45 A350-900s for the same price as 35 A350-1000s. :shakehead:



And I never said they are. Read further in my same post: but usually in these kind of negotiations parties meet halfway.

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by frigatebird
Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA changes order for 35 A350-1000s to 45 A350-900s
Replies: 170
Views: 36242

Re: UA changes order for 35 A350-1000s to 45 A350-900s

Any word on engines? That was also rumored to be an issue. I think it's pretty safe to assume engines will be supplied by RR. and wich plane will be used to replace the 744s? how many 744s are left in the fleet? 77W will complete the 744 replacement with UA. They recently ordered 4 more, in total 18.

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by frigatebird
Wed Sep 06, 2017 2:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA changes order for 35 A350-1000s to 45 A350-900s
Replies: 170
Views: 36242

Re: UA changes order for 35 A350-1000s to 45 A350-900s

Glad to see the sensible thing happening, UA now going for the A359 as an excellent 77E replacement. The A35K was just too much capacity now. Is 45 x 900s worth the same as 35 x 1000s? If so, not much gain for Airbus UA has 55 777-200ERs, so it's possible that the order could grow even more. Possibl...

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by frigatebird
Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Garuda reduce LHR frequency; axe F class at AMS
Replies: 19
Views: 4336

Re: Garuda reduce LHR frequency; axe F class at AMS

It seems the return of Europe services has not been as smooth or profitable as hoped for. More changes are upcoming Effective Oct 29, GA will reduce London service to 2 times per week (Tue+Sat). Additionally AMS service will see loss of first class, and reduction in business class product with swit...

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by frigatebird
Wed Sep 06, 2017 10:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: UA about to announce switch from A35K to A359
Replies: 28
Views: 3590

Re: Rumour: UA about to announce switch from A35K to A359

Reverting to the A359 is no surprise, additional orders will be. More A350, as 77E replacement? Or A32x neo?

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by frigatebird
Tue Sep 05, 2017 3:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future of 777X
Replies: 395
Views: 40679

Re: Future of 777X

there are many exisiting operators of the 777 who have not yet shown an interest in the 777x. For example, KL, AF (an early 77W customer), BA (by all accounts going with the IAG order for A35K), SV, AI, TG, OZ (selected A35K), JL (selected A35K), AC (77W and 77L fleet still relatively young), IR (h...

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by frigatebird
Sat Sep 02, 2017 9:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IAG A350 Orders/Options
Replies: 101
Views: 16436

Re: IAG A350 Orders/Options

Am I alone in being cheesed off by the current trend on A.net for the 787 to be suggested by its fan club as the solution to every topic? No doubt the 787 is a useful aeroplane. But is it sensible to be told in one sentence posts that it can replace A380, A350, A340, A330, A310, A321 etc etc. Whils...

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by frigatebird
Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IAG A350 Orders/Options
Replies: 101
Views: 16436

Re: IAG A350 Orders/Options

Personally, I think the ship has sailed regarding the 787 at IB. IAG held options for the 787 and A350 for IB, and they chose not to use the 787 options but go for the A350 and A332 instead. For EI, it will be interesting to see whether the A350 will reappear on the production list. I think it will ...

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by frigatebird
Fri Sep 01, 2017 3:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IAG A350 Orders/Options
Replies: 101
Views: 16436

Re: IAG A350 Orders/Options

Am I alone in being cheesed off by the current trend on A.net for the 787 to be suggested by its fan club as the solution to every topic? No doubt the 787 is a useful aeroplane. But is it sensible to be told in one sentence posts that it can replace A380, A350, A340, A330, A310, A321 etc etc. Whils...

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by frigatebird
Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IAG A350 Orders/Options
Replies: 101
Views: 16436

Re: IAG A350 Orders/Options

I know 18 x A350-1000 are for BA, but where are the remaining 25 A350s going? Nine are going to Aer Lingus, 16 to Iberia. All -900s. Is this still the case? Heard rumors the A359s ordered for EI will now go to IB too. Don't think the 777-9 will be ordered by IAG for BA. Future widebody fleet will b...

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by frigatebird
Tue Aug 29, 2017 1:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350 Production And Delivery Thread - 2016-2017 (Part 17)
Replies: 4438
Views: 1521001

Re: A350 Production And Delivery Thread Part 17

MSN 128 CX #18 delivery flight: https://fr24.com/CPA3510/ea8429e Well that definitely allows CX to overtake QR as largest A350 operator (QR have 16 delivered, correct?). And SQ may follow soon I think. MSN 88, Qatar's first A350-1000, has emerged from paint. https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4332/3675...

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by frigatebird
Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: EK Chairman: Emirates to place 787 or A350 order by end of the year
Replies: 318
Views: 47223

Re: EK Chairman: Emirates to place 787 or A350 order by end of the year

What surprises me is that EK actually is going to order a bunch of new aircraft. They are deferring A380 deliveries and have pushed their first 777-9 delivery back to 2021. I’ve read from several people on this forum there is a possibility of EK cancelling/deferring future orders even further. Unle...

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by frigatebird
Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: EK Chairman: Emirates to place 787 or A350 order by end of the year
Replies: 318
Views: 47223

Re: EK Chairman: Emirates to place 787 or A350 order by end of the year

Now, is a different matter. I believe the lighter weight variants of the A359 stand a good chance here. Is there a lighter weight A350? Or just lower MTOW versions with the same empty weights? What surprises me is that EK actually is going to order a bunch of new aircraft. They are deferring A380 d...

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by frigatebird
Tue Jul 25, 2017 11:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: EK mulls 20 additional A380s
Replies: 212
Views: 45432

Re: EK mulls 20 additional A380s

Wasn't it recently send some of their newly minted A380s to storage due to overcapacity? With US and EU hitting them hard on subsidies/ tax preference 'accusation' and 'closing their skies', where are they are going to deploy those new 20 A380, if the rumour is indeed true? Even if they are meant f...

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by frigatebird
Tue Jul 18, 2017 6:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Japan Airlines outlines A350 strategy
Replies: 66
Views: 19327

Re: Japan Airlines outlines A350 strategy

The A35K has about the same size as the 77W, perhaps 3 or 4 seats less if any. Actually, if the 77W is configured with 9-abreast Y seating, the A35K should feature more seats. The absence of a 5th exit door allows for one additional row of seats. I recall Zeke mentioned a difference of 3-4 seats wh...

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by frigatebird
Tue Jul 18, 2017 3:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Japan Airlines outlines A350 strategy
Replies: 66
Views: 19327

Re: Japan Airlines outlines A350 strategy

This will enable them to maintain the comfort level of the 8-abreast Economy they have retained in their 787s in the larger aircraft segment. 9 abreast Y in an A350 is tighter than 8 abreast Y in a 787. JL's international 777s are 9 abreast too and wider than the A350. So it's pretty relative I'd s...

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by frigatebird
Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: EK to fly to Vic Falls via Windoek
Replies: 13
Views: 4581

Re: Rumor: EK to fly to Vic Falls via Windoek

Last week I flew out of WDH on QR. I was in C. There were six (6) passengers. My inward flight (DOH-WDH) on the 19th has been cancelled so I'll get home on the 21st. Is this QR suffering as a result of the blockade or (with KLM, ET, QR, DE, SW all competing) is the market saturated? Will EK do any ...

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by frigatebird
Tue Jul 04, 2017 6:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic 747 replacement program for Gatwick Ops
Replies: 54
Views: 16009

Re: Virgin Atlantic 747 replacement program for Gatwick Ops

BA are reducing their LGW B772 fleet CW cabin down to 32. VS may increase theirs slightly to reflect greater premium demand, although their LGW A350 fleet will have around 410 seats vs 360 for the LHR A350 fleet, so it could well stay the same: http://www.businesstraveller.com/business-travel/2016/...

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by frigatebird
Tue Jul 04, 2017 2:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic 747 replacement program for Gatwick Ops
Replies: 54
Views: 16009

Re: Virgin Atlantic 747 replacement program for Gatwick Ops

BA are reducing their LGW B772 fleet CW cabin down to 32. VS may increase theirs slightly to reflect greater premium demand, although their LGW A350 fleet will have around 410 seats vs 360 for the LHR A350 fleet, so it could well stay the same: http://www.businesstraveller.com/business-travel/2016/...

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