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by cpd
Wed Jun 23, 2021 12:19 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: 'Long Covid' news and discussion
Replies: 20
Views: 872

Re: 'Long Covid' news and discussion

Possibly people remain medically damaged after Covid, which I have no comment on So the guy in Sydney who was very fit, rode bikes a lot then unfortunately got COVID and ended up with heart problems and seizures after it is, by the rest of your post probably wrong? He was also a doctor and took all...

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by cpd
Tue Jun 22, 2021 7:57 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Tucker Carlson and Right Wing Media Insinuate 'FBI Operatives' Behind Capitol Riots
Replies: 55
Views: 3429

Re: Tucker Carlson and Right Wing Media Insinuate 'FBI Operatives' Behind Capitol Riots

Tucker Carlson seemed a bit less in love with Trump than the average Fox host, criticizing him sometimes, but now that Trump has lost, Tucker has decided to go full crazy for some reason. Maybe a retirement plan, make some more millions for a couple more years then disappear into the sunset ? For t...

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by cpd
Tue Jun 22, 2021 11:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 240
Views: 22436

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

Time is running out to save the last Air NZ 747 from the wrecking ball. "Race against time: 18 days to save Air NZ's last 747 | Stuff.co.nz" https://i.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/300338815/race-against-time-18-days-to-save-air-nzs-last-747 I’m afraid they won’t make it. Last I looked it was a...

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by cpd
Mon Jun 21, 2021 1:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CFM Open Rotor concept demonstrator (UDF)
Replies: 7
Views: 1445

Re: CFM Open Rotor concept demonstrator (UDF)

This is the re-birth of the UDF engines from the 80s. GE's contribution being the most developed UDF program ever made, with a lot of flight testing data to build a brand new version of the same concept with modern materials and knowledge. The risks of such engines aren't far removed from failure r...

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by cpd
Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CX Working With Airbus on Single-Pilot System for A350 With 2025 EIS
Replies: 254
Views: 20925

Re: CX Working With Airbus on Single-Pilot System for A350 With 2025 EIS

Oh please. 100 years ago people didn’t believe heavier than air flight was possible. Maybe we should have stayed grounded all this time. First manned heaver than air flight happened around 240 years ago, world war 1 finished over 100 years ago where fighter, transport, resonance, and bomber aircraf...

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by cpd
Fri Jun 18, 2021 7:39 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: Another Boeing-Airbus tanker war is coming soon, KC-Y
Replies: 49
Views: 3546

Re: Another Boeing-Airbus tanker war is coming soon, KC-Y

DoD might be in a single bid position, if LM / Airbus feel there's no serious competition and Boeing will get the contract no matter how bad their track record, reliability and competitive performance. Airbus won all 1-1 competitions globally since the launch of the MRTT, is cleared for almost all ...

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by cpd
Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pratt & Whitney - Future widebody engine?
Replies: 28
Views: 3733

Re: Pratt & Whitney - Future widebody engine?

Maybe the only way for them is to team up with an outsider, not one of the big two and work on some totally disruptive plane and engine combination.

That’s risky and expensive.

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by cpd
Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:59 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Latest in the California High Speed Rail Saga: Single-Track Operation
Replies: 138
Views: 8486

Re: Latest in the California High Speed Rail Saga: Single-Track Operation

HSR will not work nation wide. I completely agree. HSR must be only in corridors. EUG-PDX-SEA and SFO-LAX and LAX-LAS and MCI-STL-CHI with a few stops at larger communities. There are people who live in the San Juaquin Valley that work in SJC and SFO and OAK. Rail makes sense over these short dista...

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by cpd
Fri Jun 11, 2021 10:20 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Texas valedictorian speaks for in support of reproductive rights of women.
Replies: 23
Views: 1290

Re: Texas valedictorian speaks for in support of reproductive rights of women.

Very brave of her to do that especially in a state like Texas, but note from the article: The speech has prompted the Richardson Independent School District to reevaluate its set of protocols for student speeches. So I imagine any politically-charged speech will likely have to be reviewed going for...

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by cpd
Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Passenger converted bomber aircraft in civilian service - Stories, facts, interiors?
Replies: 92
Views: 13350

Re: Passenger converted bomber aircraft in civilian service - Stories, facts, interiors?

Indeed, as recounted here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B09xMixpPFM To the questions around the TU-144 and it's development and possible link to bombers, one of the many things that were not satisfactory about the TU-144, was air intake control. They approached BAC the system designers for Conco...

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by cpd
Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Passenger converted bomber aircraft in civilian service - Stories, facts, interiors?
Replies: 92
Views: 13350

Re: Passenger converted bomber aircraft in civilian service - Stories, facts, interiors?

BOAC actually used Mosquitoes during WW2 to carry I think just one VIP who sat in the bomb bay breathing oxygen, these flights were made to neutral countries in Europe Indeed, as recounted here; https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B09xMixpPFM To the questions around the TU-144 and it's development and ...

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by cpd
Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Passenger converted bomber aircraft in civilian service - Stories, facts, interiors?
Replies: 92
Views: 13350

Re: Passenger converted bomber aircraft in civilian service - Stories, facts, interiors?

I didn’t see anyone mention the the famous ex-SAHA AIR ex-military 707s converted to airline use...even though SAHA is owned by the Iranian military. But some of their ex-707 fleet were formerly air-to-air refuelers. They must have been awfully cramped considering the 707 tanker used the original, ...

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by cpd
Tue Jun 08, 2021 8:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)
Replies: 455
Views: 59762

Re: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)

To answer posts 420 and 429; We never got to see how the GE4 would have performed in flight, however it had a shock cone design for the intake control, similar to the SR-71. Though the eventual Mach 3 FAA requirement for a US SST was dropped to Mach 2.7, might have influenced that design decision. ...

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by cpd
Tue Jun 08, 2021 4:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Passenger converted bomber aircraft in civilian service - Stories, facts, interiors?
Replies: 92
Views: 13350

Re: Passenger converted bomber aircraft in civilian service - Stories, facts, interiors?

I found a few wonderful sites with well sourced articles on the B-17 bomber conversions in Scandinavia and their long years of work. With a few amazing photos of their interiors as well, which is very rare. I highly recommend giving them a read. This was very fascinating, it looks decent enough ins...

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by cpd
Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)
Replies: 455
Views: 59762

Re: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)

Concorde piggy-backed off military technology , Boom's main and perhaps only hope is the US DoD becoming interested in helping them develop their project and thus their engine. It's pretty clear that by the time any Boom could be in service the next generation of subsonic jet engines should be read...

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by cpd
Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)
Replies: 455
Views: 59762

Re: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)

Concorde piggy-backed off military technology, Boom's main and perhaps only hope is the US DoD becoming interested in helping them develop their project and thus their engine. It's pretty clear that by the time any Boom could be in service the next generation of subsonic jet engines should be ready...

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by cpd
Mon Jun 07, 2021 6:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Passenger converted bomber aircraft in civilian service - Stories, facts, interiors?
Replies: 92
Views: 13350

Re: Passenger converted bomber aircraft in civilian service - Stories, facts, interiors?

I cannot attest to truthfulness of the idea that "Tu-144 actually began as a supersonic bomber concept which got dusted off". Maybe it did, but all I know was that Tupolev was working on Tu-144 specifically as a pax plane, period. I meant it in the absolutely loosest sense. R&D that w...

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by cpd
Mon Jun 07, 2021 3:55 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: New phone- help me choose
Replies: 29
Views: 1297

Re: New phone- help me choose

I find the highest end devices too expensive for what they do. But I'm not spending hours on my phone every day, so that might play a role. I can't really afford them (I could, but that would mean cutting something else) but even if I could, I would only buy them for the convenience of "I buy ...

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by cpd
Sun Jun 06, 2021 8:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)
Replies: 455
Views: 59762

Re: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)

When Concorde was first in the market the citizenry of the world had to work to get their government’s to pay attention to their environmental concerns. In this decade environmental concerns are at the forefront of governments and a lot of consumers. I just can’t see a lot of jurisdictions saying ‘...

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by cpd
Sun Jun 06, 2021 1:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)
Replies: 455
Views: 59762

Re: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)

This is interesting. 'Air Force Two' Replacement Dropped With Funds Redirected To Supersonic Transport Research https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/40912/air-force-two-replacement-dropped-with-funds-redirected-to-supersonic-transport-research So it becomes a government backed prestige project rat...

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by cpd
Sat Jun 05, 2021 8:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)
Replies: 455
Views: 59762

Re: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)

But the thing is that Boom has a prototype ready to start flying soon, they went ahead of the curve with the prototype with that they will get feedback for the construction of Overture, people said the same thing with the Boeing 747, and look it's flying today. I feel Boom is going to be like Space...

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by cpd
Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)
Replies: 455
Views: 59762

Re: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-qQP5SLm/0/601684ff/X3/i-qQP5SLm-X3.jpg That's who had options on Concorde. Feel free to disagree with it, that's from the manufacturer itself. I don't know exactly when that brochure was printed (and there are other pages of it) but it's very, very old. That broc...

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by cpd
Fri Jun 04, 2021 10:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)
Replies: 455
Views: 59762

Re: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-qQP5SLm/0/601684ff/X3/i-qQP5SLm-X3.jpg That's who had options on Concorde. Feel free to disagree with it, that's from the manufacturer itself. I don't know exactly when that brochure was printed (and there are other pages of it) but it's very, very old. That broc...

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by cpd
Fri Jun 04, 2021 3:24 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)
Replies: 455
Views: 59762

Re: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)

This might be a silly question, but I hear people arguing that the aircraft won't ever be permitted flying over land at all. Why is that? I thought a sonic boom only happened when an aircraft reaches the speed of sound, and when leaving the speed of sound. It doesn't happen the entire flight. Liste...

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by cpd
Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)
Replies: 455
Views: 59762

Re: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)

I saw the article on social media and thought it was satire at first. I'm surprised someone is actually trying to develop a new supersonic airliner. Like roughly 50% of the people on this thread, I'll believe it when I see it. The name is satirical, but the project appears to be real enough. I susp...

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by cpd
Fri Jun 04, 2021 1:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)
Replies: 455
Views: 59762

Re: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-qQP5SLm/0/601684ff/X3/i-qQP5SLm-X3.jpg That's who had options on Concorde. Feel free to disagree with it, that's from the manufacturer itself. I don't know exactly when that brochure was printed (and there are other pages of it) but it's very, very old.

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by cpd
Fri Jun 04, 2021 12:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)
Replies: 455
Views: 59762

Re: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)

Does anyone know back then for the Concorde, who are the initial airlines who jumped on it? I can only think of BA and AF. They were the only 2 airlines to ever fly the Concorde Braniff did use Air France and BA aircraft with funny registrations like G-N94AD/N94AD (which was G-BOAD) for instance. D...

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by cpd
Thu Jun 03, 2021 9:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)
Replies: 455
Views: 59762

Re: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)

The timeline is way too aggressive. 2025 for rollout, 2026 for first flight and 2029 for carrying passengers. I mean, Concorde did it in 7yrs, and that was with blueprints and slide-rules. Who's to say modern advances can't shorten that a good bit? Heck, I'm far more worried about the legislative p...

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by cpd
Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)
Replies: 455
Views: 59762

Re: United orders supersonic planes from Boom (was: Big United Announcement Coming Up?)

What engine is the boom airliner based on? I think the Rolls-Royce RB211-535E4. ;) In actual fact, there appears to be no engine - the Wikipedia says that in July 2020 they made an agreement to collaborate with Rolls-Royce on engine development. It's all a bit wishy-washy. Perhaps they are trying t...

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by cpd
Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:45 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Jitters about AF347
Replies: 4
Views: 664

Re: Jitters about AF347

Haven't flown in about 2 years because of the pandemic and I am schedule to fly June 11 on AF347. I've never been a nervous flyer but now I noticed we'll be flying on a 777 and I recall seeing an engine failure involving a 777 in February of this year. Furthermore, it seems Air France wanted to ret...

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by cpd
Thu Jun 03, 2021 3:27 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Dash Cams
Replies: 20
Views: 1256

Re: Dash Cams

After a particularly hair-raising experience in traffic today, I realize that I would like a dash cam because, frankly, I doubt anyone would believe the way that some local drivers behave. Today, a lady just pulled out into a left turn right in front of me, blew a stop sign, and forced me to slam o...

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by cpd
Mon May 31, 2021 8:00 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Naomi Osaka won't talk to press
Replies: 102
Views: 4639

Re: Naomi Osaka won't talk to press

And this just in — Osaka withdraws from Roland Garros. I can respect that a lot more than vague sound bytes and piecemeal engagement. If she needs help then I hope she gets it. And in private. What on earth is she doing? Unreal. This is getting out of control. It’s absolutely not out of control, it...

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by cpd
Tue May 11, 2021 6:31 am
Forum: Aviation Photography
Topic: Have quality standards changed on here recently?
Replies: 275
Views: 63481

Re: Have quality standards changed on here recently?

I had to search for what I thought was the photo in question- it had naturally been overtaken by the 707 and others so things seem normal enough. I haven’t been looking closely at the photos or this site recently however. I do briefly see what is recently added in photos via the forum display and if...

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by cpd
Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:37 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Rewarding people for wearing masks and getting vaccines
Replies: 43
Views: 2066

Re: Rewarding people for wearing masks and getting vaccines

caliboy93 wrote:
How about we pay people to get vaccinated? Is that a good strategy?


Do the people who already have been wearing masks get back-pay for doing so? ;)

Remember, we put ourselves at risk from those 5G chips that we were told were in the masks...

Why should the objectors only profit from this?

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by cpd
Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:55 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Indonesian Navy Submarine Missing
Replies: 37
Views: 10151

Re: Indonesian Navy Submarine Missing

I hope the crew didn't suffer too much - that's a terrible tragedy.

RIP and sincere condolences to the families of the crew and all of there colleagues/friends. :(

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by cpd
Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:45 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: When where and why did you last fly pre Covid?
Replies: 75
Views: 4763

Re: When where and why did you last fly pre Covid?

Dubai and Geneva, business class and First Class.

Then return from Nice on business class through Dubai.

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by cpd
Sat Apr 24, 2021 7:33 pm
Forum: Site Related
Topic: Update - Punch List of Bugs, Errors, Requests
Replies: 233
Views: 76305

Re: Update - Punch List of Bugs, Errors, Requests

Question: what can be done about mobile version "bouncing?" By that, I mean when a forum main page loads, there is inconsistent timing to when the various elements of the page load (frames, ads, text, headers, etc). The result is that even when I wait for it to properly load, I think it's...

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by cpd
Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:38 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: CoVid Vaccine Experience
Replies: 118
Views: 9734

Re: CoVid Vaccine Experience

A work colleague had the first AZ vaccine shot and was heavily affected by it, bad fatigue, feeling very unwell for a few days. Now okay.

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by cpd
Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:26 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Prince Philip has died
Replies: 53
Views: 4693

Re: Prince Philip has died

https://youtu.be/mCY4b6GGkb4

I don't watch much TV at all so I tend to miss these things.

Commodore Guy Holthouse AM, was the only Australian representative there. Princess Anne looked so devastated.
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Pellegrine wrote:
It was a great service, very touching.


For those who didn't see it, here is the whole service:

https://youtu.be/mCY4b6GGkb4

I don't watch much TV at all so I tend to miss these things.

Commodore Guy Holthouse AM, was the only Australian representative there. Princess Anne looked so devastated.

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by cpd
Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:32 am
Forum: Aviation Photography
Topic: Nikon Peeps: 24-120 vs 24-70
Replies: 10
Views: 1472

Re: Nikon Peeps: 24-120 vs 24-70

I haven't seen or used the 24-120, but I do have the 24-70 and you can add me to the list of folks that are very happy with it. It's a sizable lump on the front of the camera and it is expensive, but when it comes to camera equipment, you get what you pay for. Indeed: https://photos.smugmug.com/Civ...

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by cpd
Thu Apr 15, 2021 1:25 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Your Bad Experiences with the Police
Replies: 112
Views: 7606

Re: Your Bad Experiences with the Police

I once left a large supiscious-looking suitcase in the wrong carriage of a french TGV-train. Long story, I was stupid, but there was mitigating circumstances. I was going to CDG, and was in a bit of hurry. I left the the suitcase and went to the restaurant and got just drunk enough on red wine, a g...

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by cpd
Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:45 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Your Bad Experiences with the Police
Replies: 112
Views: 7606

Re: Your Bad Experiences with the Police

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Rogerson
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NIKV69 wrote:
Never had an issue. Turn car off, Put keys on dash, hands on wheel and follow their directions you will never have a problem.



Hope you don’t encounter someone like this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Rogerson

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by cpd
Tue Apr 13, 2021 7:59 pm
Forum: Aviation Photography
Topic: Nikon Peeps: 24-120 vs 24-70
Replies: 10
Views: 1472

Re: Nikon Peeps: 24-120 vs 24-70

The 24-70 F/2.8 is a really top quality lens but it is expensive.

24-120 may be more versatile but for me, 24-70 every time with the F2.8.

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by cpd
Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:17 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Prince Philip has died
Replies: 53
Views: 4693

Re: Prince Philip has died

https://youtu.be/pX5UNcFUNN4

So straightforward, no fuss or fanfare. Interesting interview.
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Interview with him on WW2, service in the Navy and various things:

https://youtu.be/pX5UNcFUNN4

So straightforward, no fuss or fanfare. Interesting interview.

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by cpd
Tue Apr 13, 2021 12:20 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Strange business names
Replies: 41
Views: 2110

Re: Strange business names

Maybe strange in most countries, but probably not so strange in the home country: Doktor Ingenieur honoris causa Ferdinand Porsche Aktiengesellschaft. During training, we had to sit through this cringy training video complete with a feel-good power ballad and "inspirational" pictures. It w...

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by cpd
Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:07 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Prince Philip has died
Replies: 53
Views: 4693

Re: Prince Philip has died

https://youtu.be/bfBESXgJno0

I never managed to meet him. But he just seemed so straight forward, no-nonsense.

Quite a character as well.
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Arion640 wrote:
A very sad day for Britain. We have lost a legend.

God speed sir.


From Sky News: https://youtu.be/bfBESXgJno0

I never managed to meet him. But he just seemed so straight forward, no-nonsense.

Quite a character as well.

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by cpd
Fri Apr 09, 2021 12:36 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Prince Philip has died
Replies: 53
Views: 4693

Re: Prince Philip has died

Actually having a constitutional monarchy has worked fairly well. You have a non party political head of state. The politicians all secretly hate it. Particularly because she is more popular than they are. And she is evidently pretty clever. Anyhow, that’s a discussion for another time. RIP Prince ...

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by cpd
Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:01 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Airport Neighbors Unhappier Than Ever About Noise, Despite Quieter Planes
Replies: 54
Views: 3064

Re: Airport Neighbors Unhappier Than Ever About Noise, Despite Quieter Planes

Are airports actually quieter, if let say 737 get replaced by 787, or two new 737MAX? Increase in gauge size and frequency due to traffic increase is quite common across the.world in recent decades Arguably on a dB basis they are quieter. 73Max is quieter than 73G is quieter than 733 is quieter tha...

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by cpd
Mon Apr 05, 2021 8:37 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Airport Neighbors Unhappier Than Ever About Noise, Despite Quieter Planes
Replies: 54
Views: 3064

Re: Airport Neighbors Unhappier Than Ever About Noise, Despite Quieter Planes

I think the article hits on an interesting point, about the "type" of noise complained about. Many years ago when I was but a 20-something long-haired rock and roll guitarist, our band played an outdoor gig in the town where we lived on Memorial Day afternoon to give the kids in the town ...

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by cpd
Mon Mar 29, 2021 6:08 am
Forum: Aviation Photography
Topic: Nikon Issue While Panning
Replies: 10
Views: 1958

Re: Nikon Issue While Panning

Indeed, but I was shooting 320s at 50-60mm and it just wasn't happening as the winglet would be moving relative to me much faster than the rest of the aircraft (or the tailplane would be blurry due to the vibration). Not a lot I could do, irrespective of whether my technique was any good or not. 20...

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