Why is it laughable? How many standalone all-J airlines have been successful? I guarantee you the people running La Compagnie are not laughing. They have been around for 10 years and yet they've only been profitable 1 year. That's an airline operating on very thin ice. They are a niche carrier oper...
Jump to post[ I'm sorry I'm mean no disrespect but the fact that someone thinks JetBlue arrival on this route will put La Compagnie out of business is absolutely laughable. Why is it laughable? How many standalone all-J airlines have been successful? I guarantee you the people running La Compagnie are not laug...
Jump to postThe other week I had someone ask me where C34 was. I pointed down the exact hallway she needed. 30 seconds later I saw her down the concourse motoring off towards B34, completely ignoring what I'd just told her. People are literally hopeless in airports. Even "follow the arrows on the floor&qu...
Jump to posttruly one of the worst signs i've seen in recent memory. i almost never use A, but i'm interested to see how long it lasts. if someone tweets it to DL, i would imagine that it's replaced quickly. Really? I don't see anything wrong with it. It's a smart use of technology considering the flights depa...
Jump to postI heard Hawaiian Airlines mention on their earnings call that one reason for slow Japanese travel resumptions is because the government has a campaign and is encouraging the Japanese to travel domestically and boost domestic tourism instead of overseas trips. There was an actual discount campaign f...
Jump to postkngkyle wrote:I could easily see a 3x weekly GUM-DPS flight on a UA 737 working out. Nothing else makes sense.
rnav2dlrey wrote:truly one of the worst signs i've seen in recent memory. i almost never use A, but i'm interested to see how long it lasts.
if someone tweets it to DL, i would imagine that it's replaced quickly.
Does anyone know if ANA propose to reintroduce the 'Experience Japan' fare for foreign tourists on domestic routes any time soon? It seems that sales of these tickets are currently suspended, with no indication on when they may be reintroduced. I note that JAL appears to be selling the 'Japan Explo...
Jump to postInteresting how Frontier owed customers over $100 million more than Air India but was only fined an additional $800,000 vs Air India haha. Sheesh, at least it's out in the press and people know about this now. Frontier and Air India pay ~1% of fine. Check El Al and Aeromexico instead. Or look at El...
Jump to postI've been wondering this myself. I hope they do, but my guess is that if they do reconsider BOS, they'll be monitoring the broader economy. Only way is if they get jets from LH- during Covid they cut a number of planes from their fleet. The problem with Austrian service is their hub in Vienna is to...
Jump to postTo balance the argument there are of course many new markets AA entered that they wouldn't have otherwise. AA could probably prove that regardless of the NEA they would have discontinued JFK-LAS at one point, in fact it was already a route with an unstable history. LOL. It's far easier to demonstra...
Jump to postAs opposed to NY where you get High-wage, low skill labor? Oh, I'm thinking of the Amex call center in Jacksonville. High school education, read-from-a-script, limited problem solving skills. Chase and Goldman Sachs don't do their investment banking in Florida. Novartis and Merck don't do their big...
Jump to postAA has been a poor airline since the merger with US. They could not compete in NYC or LAX, wasted slots and have ran a very poor permitting company. The problems came well before the US merger. AA could not compete anywhere except DFW and MIA, their employees hated their management and they were in...
Jump to postWhy are all of you on the other side of the pond going to be taking voluntary pay cuts? Are you all planning to be 'outsourced' en masse? I understand that recessions make it so that the very wealthiest don't continue to grow their wealth substantially... and that all of our retirement savings stop...
Jump to postIt's a pretty risky strategy. All depends on whether or not they can find a competent leadership team through this. That's the part I'm struggling with. Hayes is a long way from retirement age, and has at least been the very public face of this merger, so I can't imagine he's going anywhere. If he ...
Jump to postMohawkWeekend wrote:Well for what its worth, Frontier made $13 million dollars in 2Q. B6 lost $188 million.
If JetBlue's concern was solely (and a very big solely) gaining strength to compete against the big four and Alaska they could make a case for taking over Spirit's assets. But some of us think their main goal is to not only take out an ULCC, but to make sure it is a long time before there is a stro...
Jump to postGiven the road configuration between A and E, I wonder if it would be possible to just secure a bus and run it outside security? It could exit via a gate onto Hotel Drive and re-enter near what's now UPS. Surely there's some way they could secure the bus for a half mile trip? Sensors on the doors, p...
Jump to postMore than bases, B6 needs to learn how to regionalize their aircraft usage so disruptions don't ripple. They've finally got mass to do that. They had started to do that a few years ago by reducing the number of destinations flown by a particular plane/crew in a day. E.g., in ~2018 it was very commo...
Jump to postB6 has historically done well at coastal markets and large leisure markets, but not well in middle of the country fortress hubs where it has very little brand recognition. In part that has been a chicken and egg situation — they have never had enough flights out of any city in the middle of the cou...
Jump to postIf B6 uses MINT on DTW-LAX, DL would need to deploy the A321neo to have a competitive front cabin product. This is exactly what the DTW market has needed for a long time since AA & UA know they don't have a product that competes with DL. Now, there will be. No domestic route from DTW can suppor...
Jump to postWithout LBE, NK's market in SW PA shrinks considerably. As stated above, many of LBE's passengers simply would not go, or they would drive to MYR or even all the way to Fla. So, no, it is not the "same market". Therefore having NK at LBE is indeed additive to the local economy as a whole....
Jump to postWith the remodel that just happened, with the exception of i think 11 older aircraft that were going to be retired, all the 320's got the 162 seats already, so the interesting situation is whether they will go for some commonality and go up from 162, bring NK fleet down and settle at a common level...
Jump to postThere is an obvious loss to the consumer, LBE is 1-1:30 hours from PIT. For the 8,000 or so people who live in Latrobe, it will be a great loss. The majority of the Pittsburgh metro is nowhere near an hour further from PIT than LBE, though; LBE is almost three times as far from downtown as PIT, and...
Jump to postThere is an obvious loss to the consumer, LBE is 1-1:30 hours from PIT. For the 8,000 or so people who live in Latrobe, it will be a great loss. The majority of the Pittsburgh metro is nowhere near an hour further from PIT than LBE, though; LBE is almost three times as far from downtown as PIT, and...
Jump to postIn M&A, premium is defined as transaction price vs. pre-merger closing price. Spirit closed at $12.39/share on 2/4/22, before the first Frontier (2/7/22) merger announcement. B6 is paying $33.50. There are ~109 million SAVE shares outstanding. B6 is paying a HUGE premium. Er, you may want to do...
Jump to postAfter what AS paid in a bidding war for VX, I'm guessing there are a few smiles in SeaTac over the $1B premium B6 paid. Correct me if I’m wrong but ALK paid 4B in 2016 dollars compared to JBUs 3.8 in today’s. 2.6B purchase price, in 2016 dollars; 4B adjusted value including debt and leases. Adjuste...
Jump to postWith the combined fleets and current orders will they become the worlds largest A320 family operator? Are any A320s slated for retirements? Actually now that I think about it, including the A220s, will they be the worlds largest overall Airbus operator? I count almost 700 A220/319/320/321s in servi...
Jump to postBut as for a pilot group (and even other work groups) integration it could be a lot a few years before everything is settled and new contracts are finalized. You''re probably right that AS/VX is the likely precedent for a labor timeline — but I think it's optimistic in terms of the overall timeline...
Jump to postI can’t see AA being very happy about this. While I wish this could be true (I’m a DFW based AA frequent flyer so the NEA would benefit me when traveling to the northeast) I don’t see how BOTH the merger AND NEA pass DOJ muster and I don’t see B6 faring well in court. I'm sure they have already tal...
Jump to postmikejepp wrote:Does anyone have a combined route map?
Obviously MHT is at risk. I’m personally hopeful it doesn’t get axed by the new B6 going forward. But an interesting possibility is that a spited Frontier swoops into MHT while Spirit is still on its own. Either B6 leaves (the probable conclusion) OR since NK literally has all the infrastructure se...
Jump to postYou may characterize it as more transparent, and accountable. How is $50 per checked bag transparent? From a consumer protection standpoint, $50 per checked bag is transparent if the cost is prominently displayed when you purchase your ticket. I don't think there is going to be any push for regulat...
Jump to postIMO, I think the problem with classifying B6 as a major / not a major is that B6 is in a class by itself. - It's not really a ULCC because it offers more services in the fare (i.e. - drinks and snacks, internet and seat-back tv). - It's not really a WN because it has assigned seating and Mint. - It...
Jump to postjplatts wrote:WN also already has a significant FF base in the Baltimore/Washington region due to the presence that WN has had at BWI for almost 29 years.
The bottom line here isn't that B6 can't compete at OAK–it's that it won't. There is no reason to do so when SFO is right across the Bay; we saw this a long time ago when they moved their OAK transcons to SFO. Folks here seem to be forgetting that B6 maintained dual operations in SFO and OAK for al...
Jump to postThis is a question for future consumption and those who are LHR experts -> say if my connecting flight is delayed -> how bad is to get out and come back to the terminal gate? This is just a question to check if a need were to occur. The answer for normal times may be different, but all indications ...
Jump to postadmanager wrote:If the economics are poor with a 50 seat jet, this looks a little sketchy.
I would remind everyone that when the 'new' San Diego International Airport opened in what is now the demolished Terminal 1 -- all boarding was by air stair. The two stories rotundas were one story. Circular buildings with gardens in the center. So what is old is new again. Long Beach — which is no...
Jump to postI think B6/NK eventually gets approved. B6 gives up a good number of gates at FLL, all the NK gates at BOS, all the NK slots at LGA. I think they keep all the current NK "slots" at EWR. It would be terrible optics to award NK those EWR "slots" for more competition only to give i...
Jump to postIf the B6/NK merger is approved, I would seriously consider combining the two into a ULCC. We all thought F9 was crazy when they decided to become an ULCC. And now look at their success. B6 has a serious identity issue as so many people do not know what the are. They are not a legacy carrier like U...
Jump to postFLL/MIA will be an issue, but I think the biggest thing will be looking at AA's partners holistically from a frequent flyer perspective. Many airline FF programs are the bread and butter to the airline and a program that controls 35% of the RPMs* is going to be a powerhouse that the other big 3 US ...
Jump to postYes, this is what I was thinking about - my recollection was that US Airways inherited the Vegas hub and then ran it until 2008/2009. Here is a cranky flier article about the death of the LAS hub in 2009. https://crankyflier.com/2009/02/18/us-airways-death-of-vegas-hub/ I wish that I had found this...
Jump to postB6 has been stretched thin on equipment for years — long before they were stretched thin on crews. I think that has seen them retreating from a lot of experiments before a market has had time to develop. I can't speak to whether they'll be successful or not, but B6 at least seems to think LAX is im...
Jump to postAgain, either way we'll end up with less ULCC capacity in the short-term, but which is the worse merger outcome: handing F9 all the pricing power in that segment, or having B6 remove NK's assets from the segment to grow and compete with AA/DL/UA/WN? I'm going out on a limb here, but ultimately I th...
Jump to postSo all I see is: * B6 expanding in low-yielding FL (MIA/MCO/FLL), let's not forget F9 still exists * B6 expanding in "odd spots" on the map in DFW/DTW/ATL/ORD where full service carriers control the vast majority of the market already leading B6 undoubtedly to fail–BOS & JFK only seem...
Jump to postLots of dreams and wishes in this thread of what B6 can become…ignoring the fact that they have strong, larger competitors in nearly every city that they will supposedly be expanding out of with all of these new aircraft and crew. Those hopes and dreams could be quickly squashed…especially out of L...
Jump to postFrom the WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/articles/frontier-asks-spirit-airlines-to-further-delay-shareholder-vote-on-deal-11657549247 Fair use: Frontier Group Holdings Inc. said it still needs more time to garner support for its bid to merge with Spirit Airlines Inc., SAVE -1.85%▼ and asked for Spirit’s s...
Jump to postSo all I see is: * B6 expanding in low-yielding FL (MIA/MCO/FLL), let's not forget F9 still exists * B6 expanding in "odd spots" on the map in DFW/DTW/ATL/ORD where full service carriers control the vast majority of the market already leading B6 undoubtedly to fail–BOS & JFK only seem...
Jump to posthttps://crankyflier.com/2022/07/07/dot-telegraphs-feelings-on-jetblue-with-spirit-award-in-newark/ More to the point that DOT decision in EWR in favor of NK paints a more difficult regulatory narrative for B6's hostile takeover. It may well signal a DOT averse to market consolidation, but I think t...
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