Absolutely incredible! I cannot for the life of me figure out how that damage was done to the Metroliner and didn’t take out the entire tail section. I’d love to see exactly what orientation that Cirrus was in to be able to carve out a chunk like that, but manage to leave the tail mostly untouched.Jump to post
Great job crew, glad no one was hurt in the aircraft or on the ground.
Makes me wonder if this had happened during takeoff roll and the crew aborted, it could have ended with the plane engulfed in flames like the AA 763 at ORD a few years back...or others as well.
Regarding AA587, to this day the final findings still boggles my mind. I mean if that's what the FDR shows it's what it shows, but I just cant imagine a professional pilot doing what that pilot did as far as the rudder goes. I'd imagine most pilots would really just sit there and monitor the situati...Jump to post
^^^ Remember though, statistically it's usually not mechanical failure. Since your statement is just speculation, might as well go with the most likely one and say you think its pilot error.Jump to post
I wont speculate on this crash and I'm so sorry for all that perished and the families involved, but as we saw not that long ago with Atlas 3590, it is 100% possible to achieve an almost unthinkable flight profile like this from nothing more than a pilot trying to fly the aircraft. I'm not saying th...Jump to post
Between COVID19 and the public's likely unwillingness to fly the plane, only a handful will be back in the air any time soon. NO ONE CARES what they fly on....Ok I take that back, a few a.net people do, but besides that, I'd say 98% of the traveling public don't know, don't care, and couldn't tell ...Jump to post
Amazing story and excellent work to the Alaska crew and all others involved. One question I have....in a situation like this where you are offering assistance in a regularly scheduled commercial flight and you decide to deviate from your flight plan to offer any assistance, even if it just means des...Jump to post
Another thing that comes to mind to complicate things even further. Ok, say the pilots were able to put the plane down in one piece, or mostly one piece whether it be in a field or back at an airport. The fire was already so intense while airborne that I think if this airplane actually landed, peopl...Jump to post
Trnswrld: Wow you have been on a.net longer then me! we came a long way since Riddle - 14 years as a controller wow.. 15 years is coming up for you 8hrs leave / PP and retirement on the horizon - mad respect for you guys keeping the NAS safe , armchair VatSim guys running computers from their paren...Jump to post
I didn't listen to the recording and don't really care to. I've been a controller now for 14 years and have heard it all. I won't comment on the racist thing. I personally have never joked on frequency and honestly, it does annoy me a little when I hear others do it. But we all have our own things a...Jump to post
Although never to the extent of a 767 with wings hanging halfway over an MD80, I did experience similar situations at STL in the 90's. I think it was when TWA started taking on it's 757's and had to start getting creative with gate usage. I believe it was the D concourse gates which at the time woul...Jump to post
^^^ I think the cockpit in this case was actually higher off the ground than normal and not lower even with the left side being tilted down slightly. If you notice the nose gear is practically off the ground....infact in the video as it stopped the nose gear actually did raise off the ground as it w...Jump to post
Does anyone know what happened with the injured pilot that fell? The high quality video posted on YouTube of the landing looks like it was edited to not show the pilot actually falling. Hopefully he didn’t fall from too high as that cockpit is up there, but I have a feeling if he fell from the cockp...Jump to post
kraz911 wrote:I hope it’s a one off issue and not something on other 767s or the tankers based on the 767 airframe...
I don't have any data, but I've heard the 762 is a beast.Jump to post
Now speaking from the bare minimum stand point required for the aircraft to power up and fly without any regard for safety, rules, regulations would also be very interesting. Using that Delta 762 again as an example....put some computers back in it, fuel it up and go...I bet she'd fly lolJump to post
I’m no engineer, but just throwing this out there from an average Joe aviation enthusiast...... because they can, and why not? Lower to the ground could have multiple benefits. Shorter landing gear which equate to less weight and room required in the aircraft. On the ground it probably means better ...Jump to post
Some recent posts here regarding some high profile crashes where incredible airmanship saved hundreds of lives prompted me to look into some lesser known incidents which could have been MUCH worse. I googled the description of an accident which I recall someone telling me about a long time ago and w...Jump to post
Wow that audio is interesting (and sad) to listen to. What I find interesting is it appears to move very slowly overhead or even stationary, Then starts to move away(possibly quickly), then just crashes. I'm no investigator, but it sounds like a perfectly functioning helicopter pretty much right up ...Jump to post
You also need to eliminate accidents not caused by design of or failures related to the aircraft. I'm pretty sure the 757 (and I think 767 also) has no accidents related to the airframe or systems. Pretty sure they are all either external factors, pilot error or terrorist attack. Although I would a...Jump to post
Coexstud wrote:Maybe funny looking nothing funny about a rash and ja koffs filming when the should be bracing for landing ......
I could be wrong as I’m not in the tower, but as a controller elsewhere in Chicago, I’m not so sure this had to do with the pilot trying to turn off too fast. The reason I say this is because the airplane did not skid off anywhere near a high speed turn off. Yes there were other exits, but no high s...Jump to post
Here is a direct link to the full landing.
You guys think that right main collapsed?
How someone moves an A380 without looking around it first is beyond me...even if there were no other people assisting. Come awn guys, this is first day shit. Ofcourse I wasn't there so who knows what really happened.Jump to post
The post above about the pilots of AS261 continuing flying instead of immediately diverting is sort of news to me. I have read a lot of info and yes I could have missed it, but I was almost certain they were trouble shooting the problem from the get go and did their best to just keep that airplane i...Jump to post
I spied an AA Mad Dog still at DFW yesterday, parked on the northwest side of the airport between the Envoy building and UPS terminal just west of 18R Got a blurry pic but not the tail number. I read that its N9677W that's being kept around and used as some sort of trainer. An original TWA bird bui...Jump to post
Someone above mentioned differences between the different model MD80 aircraft. They stated the MD88 is a MD83 with glass cockpit. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't recall ever seeing an MD83 with the old analog cockpit, or were the original 83's the older cockpit? Even though the numbers would b...Jump to post
Got to experience this mess first hand a few days ago. First mess was I got on the wrong bus because it was just all around confusing. So then had to go to that new rental car building, get on another bus back to the terminal, only to get on another back to the correct remote parking lot. Well on th...Jump to post
WOW that’s amazing! The fact there was no fire and that they had a perfectly clear place to land saved all those lives!! Great job to the crew!!Jump to post
I have no idea how much Drake makes or his worth....or how much it would cost to own/maintain a 767....but would someone like Drake be able to afford that? Hypothetically if he did actually purchase it which we know he didn’t. I’d imagine the costs of owning a wide body jet has to be astronomical.Jump to post
Someone get that Paul Allen ship that’s locating all of the lost WWII wrecks on it. I hate to speculate or stir up conspiracies. But given the solid evidence of recovered flaperons and my unqualified expertise from watching pretty much every air crash documentary. I’d say MH370 is in mostly big pie...Jump to post
I work in Chicago ATC and if I had to guess I would say west flow about 60% of the time. Today for example we are east flow as the current winds are 050 at 14. It has nothing to do with construction or anything like that, just the winds or sometimes weather. If the winds are real bad and we are forc...Jump to post
Could flight 191 have been saved if the take off was aborted ? If they aborted the aircraft would have likely gone off the runway....what happens after that is anyone’s guess. Based on reports and investigations, it is said that had the Pilot not pitched up to reduce speed as per proper procedure, ...Jump to post
Thanks for the response. Part of my original question remains however and that is (really hypothetical now, AA191 aside), if both engines had been operating and there was a stick shaker on only the Captain's column (as there would have been on all AA DC-10's in those days before the mandate for bot...Jump to post
One interesting fact that doesn’t really have any significance to anyone here, but my grand mother who I never got to meet died in her own private Rockwell Commander 112 on takeoff two days after AA191. 191 went down on a Friday and my grand mother crashed for unknown reasons during takeoff on Sunda...Jump to post
There are so many people that are often affected by this type of tragedy. I was on the inbound from Phoenix that morning on a PHX-ORD-BUF after a job interview the previous day and remember looking back at the podium after disembarking and seeing the flight information as AA 191 to Los Angeles. Eve...Jump to post
I always thought that worked aircraft looked to be a DC8. Never thought it could have been a 707. As for the I flight video. I don’t think that would have made much of a difference to people on board. Back then video quality was poor and they wouldn’t have seen anything other than pilots in there se...Jump to post
I wonder if the pilots had known they had physically lost the engine from the wing, would the have just kept it on the ground? I know they were at takeoff speed but they didn’t have a chance in hell with the engine falling off. Not necessarily true. As far as I know the pilots had no clue the engin...Jump to post
Wow that wreckage picture is startling. To imagine an airplane all the way up at FL400 or higher to land pancaked with what appears to be little to no forward motion. Almost kind of reminds me how AF447 was said to have pancaked into the ocean.Jump to post
For those that still haven’t seen it....watch the in cabin approach and initial touchdown video filmed from the left side just in front of the engine. I can’t seem to find it from its initial post on this or the previous page, looks as if it was deleted. IMO this approach looks very normal to me......Jump to post
For those that still haven’t seen it....watch the in cabin approach and initial touchdown video filmed from the left side just in front of the engine. I can’t seem to find it from its initial post on this or the previous page, looks as if it was deleted. IMO this approach looks very normal to me.......Jump to post