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by Planesmart
Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reduction of 787 deferred production cost slows.
Replies: 288
Views: 22924

Re: Reduction of 787 deferred production cost slows.

In my opinion the biggest "technical lie" is that no one else uses Program Accounting. By that exact name - true. By concept, virtually every nuclear power plant and other major multi-billion infrastructure in the world is built with "special" accounting considerations which sur...

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by Planesmart
Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reduction of 787 deferred production cost slows.
Replies: 288
Views: 22924

Re: Reduction of 787 deferred production cost slows.

The theory is that investors benefit by having a more realistic view of the company's financial picture. If an aircraft OEM were forced to recognize ramp-up costs of a new program when incurred, the aircraft OEM's bottom line (net earnings) would be extremely volatile, and likely would have little ...

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by Planesmart
Sat Jul 28, 2018 4:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reduction of 787 deferred production cost slows.
Replies: 288
Views: 22924

Re: Reduction of 787 deferred production cost slows.

But there is a reason for it beyond just making executives look better. After all, if it makes them look better when the program is ramping up, it also makes them look worse later (now), when the program is in full swing and bringing in boatloads of cash but some of that gets applied to deferred co...

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by Planesmart
Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Should the government regulate minimum seating space
Replies: 130
Views: 5828

Re: Should the government regulate minimum seating space

Here’s the test population rules: 19. PARTICIPANTS. (1) Representative Passenger Complement. In a full-scale aborted takeoff emergency evacuation demonstration, the operator must assemble a representative passenger complement. Before conducting the demonstration, the operator must ensure that the p...

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by Planesmart
Sat Jul 28, 2018 12:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reduction of 787 deferred production cost slows.
Replies: 288
Views: 22924

Re: Reduction of 787 deferred production cost slows.

Two issues: Relevance in 2018. When commercial aircraft are being produced at 737 and 787 volumes, is the treatment of deferred costs appropriate? The special treatment for commercial aviation arose from it's supposed similarities with ship building, including low volumes and customisation. IRS and ...

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by Planesmart
Fri Jul 27, 2018 8:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A380 Production/Delivery Thread 2018
Replies: 116
Views: 34556

Re: Airbus A380 Production/Delivery Thread 2018

It would be easy to PIP the GP7200 now. It wouldn't cost more than the revenue enhancement. Since the EA shares concepts with the PW4000, Pratt could PIP the low turbine and fan efficiently. Since the high spool is very related to the GE90, I could see a PIP. Just what level. If there were a CMC hi...

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by Planesmart
Thu Jul 26, 2018 8:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Should the government regulate minimum seating space
Replies: 130
Views: 5828

Re: Should the government regulate minimum seating space

This might be a good time to remind everyone that CFR 25.562(b) states: "The tests must be conducted with an occupant simulated by a 170-pound anthropomorphic test dummy, as defined by 49 CFR Part 572, Subpart B, or its equivalent, sitting in the normal upright position." :stirthepot: Tha...

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by Planesmart
Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air India Privatization, by June-Failed sale. What next?
Replies: 786
Views: 63947

Re: Air India Privatization, by June-Failed sale. What next?

ytz wrote:
If it's a money pit, whether 5% or 12% is not relevant. The airline is draining so many resources while not enabling the growth of India (by say servicing smaller centres).

Monthly losses will increase with a reduction in market share.

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by Planesmart
Tue Jul 24, 2018 12:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus offers longer range A35K for QR
Replies: 137
Views: 27238

Re: Airbus offers longer range A35K for QR

The Airbus ACAP the A35K burns 107T of fuel to move 51T but it can fly only 6600nm. This is 80% of the range so the 778 would need 106T of fuel (80% of 132T) This is actually conservative too. To fly 20% further requires more than 20% more fuel as you are burning fuel to carry the weight of extra f...

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by Planesmart
Mon Jul 23, 2018 9:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What happens after all those new planes get delivered?
Replies: 23
Views: 5178

Re: What happens after all those new planes get delivered?

Software and engine OEM's will re-price obsolescence, taking a year or two off economic life to eliminate the surplus.

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by Planesmart
Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A380 Production/Delivery Thread 2018
Replies: 116
Views: 34556

Re: Airbus A380 Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Engine choice will probably be announced with firming of 787 order. EK is likely tying the two engine deals together for maximum leverage. And with the 777X engine order, even though there is no choice. EK expected bundling would get them a great deal, and at the very least a PiP, or even a new eng...

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by Planesmart
Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Airbus is studying A321XLR with extended range over LR
Replies: 470
Views: 77046

Re: Reuters: Airbus is studying A321XLR with extended range over LR

I agree with everything else in your post, but I have my doubts about the A321 wing being extended in similar fashion to the A330, soly because the wings have/had different short comings. The A321 wing lacks lift where as the old A330 wing needed more aspect ratio for efficiency gain. Making the A3...

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by Planesmart
Sun Jul 22, 2018 8:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A380 - Two VERY Different Views of the Future
Replies: 217
Views: 30456

Re: A380 - Two VERY Different Views of the Future

AA is their JV partner, so BA is not going to actively try and “steal” passengers from them, and AA/BA together already dominate JFK-LHR over DL/VS. There is no need for them to destroy their yields (BA’s A380s would mostly just be adding a ton of Y seats to the market) to try and win more market s...

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by Planesmart
Sun Jul 22, 2018 9:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus offers longer range A35K for QR
Replies: 137
Views: 27238

Re: Airbus offers longer range A35K for QR

JustSomeDood wrote:
What the 77W does against the A35(9) in terms of climb performance is irrelevant, given the 777X will have a much more aerodynamic, higher aspect ratio wing that generates more lift for a given airspeed and altitude.

Wasn't climb performance previously very relevant when comparing the 777 to A340?

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by Planesmart
Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aircraft Values and Lease Pricing - Summer 2018
Replies: 48
Views: 30092

Re: Aircraft Values and Lease Pricing - Summer 2018

So if there are so many A340-300s stored + many A340-500s & -600s (European aviation in JAN 2018 reported they had acquired 10 from EY + have a number of ex Chinese examples) the value must be very low & so would the lease rates. What's the scrap value ? Ok, so they might be a bit thirsty, ...

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by Planesmart
Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Complants of bedbugs on AI EWR-India flights
Replies: 53
Views: 9247

Re: Complants of bedbugs on AI EWR-India flights

So what does an airline do with a 777-300, fly it to a frigid climate, open all doors for 48 hours until everything inside is below freezing then return to service after a thorough cleaning? Bedbugs die at a fairly low temperature. Yes, but possums, rate, mice and other creatures might see open doo...

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by Planesmart
Sun Jul 22, 2018 1:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aircraft Values and Lease Pricing - Summer 2018
Replies: 48
Views: 30092

Re: Aircraft Values and Lease Pricing - Summer 2018

Also for curiosity any value on A340s? Just wondering what TN will get out of their frames once 787s arrive later this year. Suppose only scrap value. A340-300 - $3.6 - 14.5M, $110-275,000 With something like 30 frames stored, and 50+ scrapped doubt it has much value ultimately. Any data on NEO/MAX...

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by Planesmart
Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: AirAsia X orders 34 more A330neo
Replies: 164
Views: 31372

Re: Updated: AirAsia X orders 34 more A330neo

juliuswong wrote:
The agreement for 34 A330neo is conditional.

Pretty much every commercial aircraft order starts life as conditional.

The Boeing 777X order book is 100% conditional at present.

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by Planesmart
Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Martinair CV-340 crash in SA (July 2018): final report is out
Replies: 85
Views: 22899

Re: Martin's Air Charter crash in Pretoria, South Africa

Old radials don't have a modern ECU with knock and octane sensors. :-) They have a very strong turbo. And when running on mere 100 octane gas, they will detonate on full boost. So the pilot/engineer uses reduced boost, which avoids detonation but reduces power. But 100/130 is rated at 130 when used...

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by Planesmart
Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus sells 25 A320neo to Wataniya Airways
Replies: 33
Views: 8207

Re: Airbus Sells 25 A320NEO To 1 Star Airline

Airlines acquiring new aircraft already have enough barriers to overcome. Now they are required to meet minimum customer review standards! How does a start-up acquire a fleet?

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by Planesmart
Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: HiFly takes delivery of first A380
Replies: 179
Views: 53682

Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

Congrats to HiFly for this decision, I sure hope a secondary market can actually buid up. Regarding the livery though, it's a bit like the "smoking kills" sign on cigarettes. The kerosene burning beast you paint that on is litteraly part of the killing... Talk about greenwashing nonsense ...

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by Planesmart
Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus and Rolls-Royce to stockpile parts ahead of Brexit
Replies: 57
Views: 6696

Re: Airbus and Rolls-Royce to stockpile parts ahead of Brexit

Makes sense especially for RR, who have geared up manufacturing and assembly to resolve 787 Trent engine issues quickly. Just keep going at higher rates for customers with unqualified orders. The stocks pre-built, would allow time for manufacturing to be shut and relocated, if that is their post-Bre...

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by Planesmart
Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A380 - Two VERY Different Views of the Future
Replies: 217
Views: 30456

Re: A380 - Two VERY Different Views of the Future

There are a number of outstanding A380 orders that are not expected to ever be fulfilled. Air Traffic has been growing between 5 and 8% a year the past two decades, but that growth has been predominately absorbed by frames smaller than VLAs (predominately single-aisle). The A321's success is coming...

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by Planesmart
Sat Jul 21, 2018 12:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: AirAsia X orders 34 more A330neo
Replies: 164
Views: 31372

Re: Air Asia to order more Airbus aircraft?

Wait... HNA owns 52% of Avolon which owns CIT CIT: 15 A339 orders Avolon: 15 A339 orders, plus financing a number of TAP's A339s. More correctly, HNA Capital owns a major stake in Bohai Capital, which is the parent company of Avolon. The leasing company continues to operate, take delivery of aircra...

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by Planesmart
Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Martinair CV-340 crash in SA (July 2018): final report is out
Replies: 85
Views: 22899

Re: Martin's Air Charter crash in Pretoria, South Africa

How many more of these "vintage" clunkers need to crash before they stop being permitted to fly with pax on board? I'm all for nostalgia, but this is really not a smart idea. They're not only putting the people who (granted, willingly) are getting on them, but also those on the ground. Ju...

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by Planesmart
Fri Jul 20, 2018 11:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Martinair CV-340 crash in SA (July 2018): final report is out
Replies: 85
Views: 22899

Re: Martin's Air Charter crash in Pretoria, South Africa

One difference is that these days such plains don't have access to the very high octane fuel that was available then. This reduces performance. I've raced cars in my day, and used avgas, and apart from switching to 100LL from 100/130, there haven't been many changes. The military used a higher octa...

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by Planesmart
Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Farnborough Air Show 2018 - Airbus Order Thread
Replies: 226
Views: 103555

Re: Farnborough Air Show 2018 - Airbus Order Thread

The Undisclosed order for 8 A350-900 is firm. If it wasn't firm it would have been specifically mentioned in the press release. https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/press-releases/en/2018/07/undisclosed-customer-orders-eight-a350-900s.html And in the list of orders totals that Airbus presented at their ...

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by Planesmart
Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: HiFly takes delivery of first A380
Replies: 179
Views: 53682

Re: HiFly takes delivery of first A380

It would make more sense to operate the A380 on a leisure route as LHR - JFK is your most important route and thus you want to show off your product. Would be strange that an airline who decided to cancel its A380 order suddenly hires an A380 from Hifly.. Perhaps ANA will use before delivery of it'...

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by Planesmart
Thu Jul 19, 2018 10:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Farnborough Air Show 2018 - Official Picture and General Discussion Thread
Replies: 122
Views: 31400

Re: Farnborough Air Show 2018 - Official Picture and General Discussion Thread

Yeah that's definitely not his style, plus the Air Asia order will almost certainly include A330s. Fernandes said in Kuala Lumpur tonight they need new aircraft but haven’t decided on manufacturer, probably won’t see an order from them yet https://twitter.com/jamie_freed/status/1019231836671651840?...

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by Planesmart
Thu Jul 19, 2018 8:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A380 - Two VERY Different Views of the Future
Replies: 217
Views: 30456

Re: A380 - Two VERY Different Views of the Future

I think that improving the environmental impact of aviation emissions for airlines is as simple as implementing a simple carbon tax per seat mile flown, modified based on the model of plane based on its individual efficiency, would achieve the desired results. Maintenance swaps, deliveries, etc are...

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by Planesmart
Thu Jul 19, 2018 1:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A380 - Two VERY Different Views of the Future
Replies: 217
Views: 30456

Re: A380 - Two VERY Different Views of the Future

Boeing's 10 year forecasts predict the status quo, with for example, no material impact from CORSIA rollout, or related initiatives. No reduction in P2P. No increase in passenger cost of flying (other than inflation). No reduction in the rate of passenger growth by continent. Boeing should send rep...

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by Planesmart
Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hi Fly unveil A380 Coral Reef livery
Replies: 56
Views: 14309

Re: Hi Fly unveil A380 Coral Reef livery

Canuck600 wrote:
Hope the foundation paid for the paint otherwise Hi Fly spent a awful lot of money on something with no tangible return on investment. Goodwill doesn't pay the bills.

I presume the owner paid, even if HiFly made the payment.

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by Planesmart
Thu Jul 19, 2018 12:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Farnborough Air Show 2018 - Airbus Order Thread
Replies: 226
Views: 103555

Re: Farnborough Air Show 2018 - Airbus Order Thread

If you are ordering 34 more, you are getting a discount on the first 66. There is no way Airbus could have avoided it. Reading between the lines, Airbus appears to have been very conservative with the original performance predictions which let Boeing in with a chance. You are spot on. If you increa...

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by Planesmart
Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A380 - Two VERY Different Views of the Future
Replies: 217
Views: 30456

Re: A380 - Two VERY Different Views of the Future

This should trigger entertaining A380 posts, which have been quiet for weeks. Boeing's 10 year forecasts predict the status quo, with for example, no material impact from CORSIA rollout, or related initiatives. No reduction in P2P. No increase in passenger cost of flying (other than inflation). No r...

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by Planesmart
Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Farnborough Air Show 2018 - Airbus Order Thread
Replies: 226
Views: 103555

Re: Farnborough Air Show 2018 - Airbus Order Thread

For clarity's sake: UFO = unidentified firm order MOU = memorandum of understanding They are mutually exclusive terms. A UFO is a firm order. Sorry, but this isn't correct. :shakehead: The term "UFO" is simply a.net shorthand for "Unidentified customer". Neither OEM uses the ter...

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by Planesmart
Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Hi Fly unveil A380 Coral Reef livery
Replies: 56
Views: 14309

Re: Hi Fly unveil A380 Coral Reef livery

It's an airline neutral design, so it causes no offence / garners popular reaction when in service on behalf of different airlines.

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by Planesmart
Wed Jul 18, 2018 8:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus offers longer range A35K for QR
Replies: 137
Views: 27238

Re: Airbus offers longer range A35K for QR

QR has their already ordered their replacement for the 77W: 50x 777-9 (and 10x 777-8 to replace QR's 77L's). So why target QR? Or is Airbus trying to take revenge at Boeing for the HA and AA orders, and their attempts to lure AirAsiaX away from their A330neo order? Boeing is currently encouraging c...

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by Planesmart
Tue Jul 17, 2018 10:48 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Preparing an airliner for a flight display
Replies: 4
Views: 1502

Re: Preparing an airliner for a flight display

OEM takes out a show extension to their standard public liability insurance policy if an A or B owned aircraft flown by A or B crew respectively. If a customer owned aircraft, insurance cover is usually the responsibility of the crew's employers or contractors. So a QR aircraft flown by QR crew insu...

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by Planesmart
Mon Jul 16, 2018 3:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why don’t US passenger airlines have cargo subsidiaries?
Replies: 52
Views: 7636

Re: Why don’t US passenger airlines have CARGO subsidiaries?

Cynics might say they make more than enough money carrying domestic passengers like cargo. Part of the real explanation presumably is when post and freight were separated from carrying passengers, specialists climbed into the space, and do it very well. And pricing (from scale and consolidation), ot...

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by Planesmart
Sat Jul 14, 2018 9:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar Airways and Farnborough
Replies: 2
Views: 885

Re: Qatar Airways and Farnborough

Air frame and engine OEM's pay them appearance money. They put on a great show for financiers. And EK oneupmanship

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by Planesmart
Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air India Privatization, by June-Failed sale. What next?
Replies: 786
Views: 63947

Re: Air India Privatization, by June-Failed sale. What next?

Equity infusion of $305 million: https://amp.click2houston.com/travel/india-pours-305m-more-into-its-lossmaking-national-airline Considering the losses, I doubt this will last six months. I'm curious as to others' predictions of when AI needs another infusion and when. Mine, six months and 35 billi...

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by Planesmart
Sat Jul 14, 2018 8:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread 2018
Replies: 1683
Views: 637052

Re: Airbus A350 Production/Delivery Thread 2018

Engine replacement seems quite common. Are initial flights often on Airbus engines and then swapped to customer engines later? Not common. How many times, and with which airlines this year? Only logic for using Airbus-owned engines (which are usually engine OEM-owned engines), would be if there are...

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by Planesmart
Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Orders 60 Airbus A220-300
Replies: 354
Views: 50570

Re: JetBlue Orders 60 Airbus A220-300

Let's be real, prior generation didn't even use fiber optics for data nor proper routers. Now with far better command, data, and power distribution... We can do more. Heck, the 787 came out before those neat solid state transformers that clip any aircraft power supply to variable frequency AC or mo...

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by Planesmart
Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Orders 60 Airbus A220-300
Replies: 354
Views: 50570

Re: JetBlue Orders 60 Airbus A220-300

Both Boeing and Airbus make a nice profit off anxillary services which includes everything from Goldcare, help desk, customized maintenance plans (cuts costs), and increasing capabilities. Both A & B do make a tidy profit from the services you list, but no longer from large, savvy airlines and ...

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by Planesmart
Sat Jul 14, 2018 3:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Orders 60 Airbus A220-300
Replies: 354
Views: 50570

Re: JetBlue Orders 60 Airbus A220-300

Aerospace people gossip a bunch. Honestly, those numbers are $1 million higher than my estimates. $22 million for a plane whose MTOW, allowed fuel load and thrust is less than what DL ordered. $27 million for maximum capabilities (best dongles) and lighter fittings (CFRP and titanium costs more tha...

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by Planesmart
Fri Jul 13, 2018 9:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FAA: Seat size not their concern
Replies: 124
Views: 14112

Re: FAA: Seat size not their concern

Please read and comprehend my post. 'PRACTICAL' pitch I assumed to be a minimum of 28 inches. Perhaps airlines can get it down to 26 inches. 'Practical' assumes a pitch of 1 inch is impossible. You assume 1 inch is practical and possible. Damned lies and statistics. u obviously don't understand tha...

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by Planesmart
Fri Jul 13, 2018 5:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: HNA and A330 delivery problems.. no money
Replies: 49
Views: 18107

Re: HNA and A330 delivery problems.. no money

Engine OEMs have seen a large power increase vs 20-30 years ago. Growth of single source for engine choices, and it is now rare for a new engine not to be PBTH, and controlled by the OEM for the entire lifecycle. They experienced a power blip, but not now. Major customers are insisting on 'cradle t...

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by Planesmart
Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: HNA and A330 delivery problems.. no money
Replies: 49
Views: 18107

Re: HNA and A330 delivery problems.. no money

Move the bar down on one model, and it creates expectations on all the others. It does create a slippery slope and could trigger most favored clauses. For prior generation aircraft, it is a tough market. We might see more carpet failing inspection. :duck: I believe we are in an overproduction phase...

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by Planesmart
Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What are the advantages and disadvantages of airlines having flagship planes?
Replies: 37
Views: 6776

Re: What are the advantages and disadvantages of airlines having flagship planes?

Like most terms aeronautical, it's derived from shipping, naval and civilian, when generally the largest (or newest), was it's flagship.

Term doesn't work quite as well with aviation in 2018, where airlines operate multiples of models, and economic life is shortening.

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by Planesmart
Thu Jul 12, 2018 10:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FAA: Seat size not their concern
Replies: 124
Views: 14112

Re: FAA: Seat size not their concern

If passengers consider the minimum practical pitch is 27 inches, then a reduction from 32 to 30 is effectively a 40% reduction, and to 28 inches is an 80% reduction. If human body upsizing and seat pitch downsizing continues, there will be no point undertaking trial evacuations, as body parts will ...

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