It sounds like they had some daylight to work with when they ditched. That was either good flight planning on their part or good fortune. The chances of a successful nighttime ditching in rough windswept seas would have to be in the neighborhood of 10^-6. But even in daylight this is a great story o...Jump to post
Neat bit of history. Talk about puddle-jumping. Like the OP, I am curious what type of a/c was used. Ironically, with all the autonomous passenger drones that are in the pipeline, we might see a return to these types of flights. Especially if the drones are shared rides, you could have one party goi...Jump to post
Appreciate all the replies regarding DC-10-30 versus L1011-250. The difference in MTOW is striking. Wikipedia (for what’s worth) and another site suggest the -250 had a MTOW of 510k, a little more generous than what was said above. But even granting the 510k, it’s still no contest compared to the 59...Jump to post
I don't recall whether CX only had -1s or some -100s, however, some 40 years, DL converted several of their Tristars to -250 variant, which gave'em a range comparable to the DC-10-30. I'm sure CX would have considered all the options if they really wanted such Trijets. Point taken about the -250, b...Jump to post
I have to say, this a bit disappointing to learn, as I’d always assumed the L1011 found its place at major operators like Cathay on merit. How naive of me. But it fits with the fact that was mentioned up thread, that the DC-10-30 just was more versatile than any L1011 variant. It seems Lockheed real...Jump to post
I'm not exactly in-the-know for MHT, but I think there have been a whole bunch of these flights carrying COVID-19 protection supplies(?) Almost always the MD11, but I think a 777 did it once. Ok, makes sense that it’s COVID-related. PPE or materials for the bio-tech industry in the Boston area. Pur...Jump to post
Happened to see an ANC-MHT FedEx MD11 flight a week or two ago while surfing the flight trackers. Any of the MHT followers know how frequently this route is flown? I’m guessing it was a one-off. It had a 98XX flight # (9875?), and all the ex-MHT FedEx/UPS flights I’ve seen in the meantime have been ...Jump to post
I wasn't actually thinking so much of the O&D of a possible PBG-BOS service. What I am wondering is how much a PBG-BOS service on Silver (who interlines with DL and B6) might draw away people who would potentially make connections through BOS on a BTV-BOS service. Even with the DL and B6 buildu...Jump to post
People from Burlington definitely use Plattsburgh for Florida flights. Drive thru the parking lot you will see plenty of green VT plates in every row. Just like the large amount of yellow NY plates at BTV. I don't doubt what you say about PBG-Florida, but that's in a different category than PBG-BOS...Jump to post
This is slightly outside of NE, but it might be relevant to BTV - Local news is reporting that three airlines have applied for service at Plattsburgh, including Silver to BOS and Cape Air (undisclosed destination) I wonder if this might satisfy some peoples' desire for a BTV to BOS service, and may...Jump to post
mjgbtv wrote:BTV290 wrote:Great news out of BTV:
I love that covered bridge styled terminal! I wonder if that is the real thing or just a concept?
The 321 is likely more just an equip subs as they come on property as opposed to demand driven. Back in 1998 or so I flew on one of the very first 738s on CLE-PVD in place of a 735, it wasn’t based on loads but rather the new plane on property and getting it flying. I understand that - mjg referred...Jump to post
For followers of the unusual, B6 operated flight 34 from JFK to BTV today with their latest aircraft, A321neo N2016J. This is the 3rd Airbus sub on this flight in the past 9 days. :present: Can't say I expected that one to show up at BTV any time soon. I don't recall a 738 before either, except may...Jump to post
Was searching for flights to BTV next June and saw DL is having a 738 on the ATL route, not sure if they have done more than 737 to BTV or not?! Hmmm, I don’t recall any scheduled DL 738 on ATL-BTV in years past. CRJ900/700, 717, MD88, 737, 319, I think 320, but not 738/9. Might also be a placehold...Jump to post
As long as you’re counting Wiggins, BTV has a couple daily Wiggins departures, possibly more or less depending on day of the week.Jump to post
BTV is going to have the unusual distinction today of seeing all three of B6's current aircraft models today. B6 34 arrived early this morning with an A320 and B6 1634 is currently en-route with an A321 (Mint even!) I assume this is for recovery from the recent weather problems. That same weather d...Jump to post
MHT 893,247 (1.7 Mil) - this one is pretty damn close BTV 997,765 (2 Mil pax) - yes BTV was larger than MHT in 1990, also not crazy far off. Re BTV vs MHT in 1990, I believe it. My father took me to an airshow at MHT in what was probably the mid-80's. In our ~four hours there the big airline highli...Jump to post
The "FAA preliminary 2018 passenger enplanements" thread from earlier this week didn't seem to get a lot of attention. But I thought these data were interesting:
BTV +14% 2018 versus 2017
PBG -14% 2018 versus 2017
I have to wonder what's behind the PBG decline.
I'm surprised BTV hasn't closed their crosswind runway as it seems to restrict the growth of the terminal and seems too short for regular jetliner ops It’s pretty much a certainty there haven’t been any jetliner ops off 1/19, but back in the day it was not unusual to see Ransome Airlines fly their ...Jump to post
Do I recall correctly that there was a mention of construction at PHL that might be playing into that? Now that you mention it, I have some fuzzy recollection of that, too. Still, interesting to see them come back strong in Oct with 3x/day mainline. Did they run 3x/day E190 last year? Maybe they di...Jump to post
For the BTV watchers, I think everyone knows that AA is all-RJ at BTV for the summer peak season. But I was poking through the schedules and found that AA does a turnabout and brings mainline back on PHL-BTV in early Oct, with 3x/day E190s (in addition to 2x/day RJs). The 3x/day E190s continue into ...Jump to post
Will this be the first time DL has used the 737 (any variant) at BTV? I only recall the MD, 717 and A319/320. Maybe there has been an odd one or two subbing, but I don't recall anything regular. I'm 99% certain the -700 has been used previously for short stints. Not an odd subbing, but also not the...Jump to post
DL's Summer season starts 6/8. Changes from 1x 717, to 2x (737 and CR9). I'll be on the 737 on the 11th. Somehow my first true mainline to/from BTV from the Big 3. Most people probably wouldn't give a 737-700 a second glance. After all, Southwest operates 500+. But the DL 737-700 is a very rare bir...Jump to post
Contrary to popular belief airports are not Rec centers. They shouldn't be faceless Russian apartment blocks, either. There are a lot of "recreational" expenses that help make for a favorable visitor impression: The adirondack rocking chairs, the ceiling art in the old USAir part of the t...Jump to post
Yep, I can confirm BTV's plan to create a post-TSA walkway, connecting the North and South terminals. The cost is expected to be $300,000 and construction could start next month. Still trying to figure out how they're going to do this. For long-term aesthetic and logistic purposes, the hallway shou...Jump to post
OY (Omni Air) flew a military charter to BTV today with a 772. I believe this might be the first 777 at BTV. Does anyone know differently? I think you're right. The military charters have brought a menagerie of widebody types to BTV (off the top of my head: 742,744,A333,762,763,764,MD11), but I don...Jump to post
Yes, there is a Skinny Pancake on both sides. :blockhead: whoops, I was just through the S side in Jan on B6 and didn't even notice. According to airport commission meeting minutes a while back the cost to combine TSA was 'prohibitive'. I would think that joining the two ends of the terminal post-s...Jump to post
BTV will be closing the upstairs hallway within the next month. They will be making a hallway connecting both terminals post security. Interesting. I wonder why they feel compelled to do this. Are they planning to consolidate the security lanes? Is it that important to give pax in the S gate area a...Jump to post
And on the day of F9's inaugural DEN-BTV flight, UA starts dumping a 737-900 on ORD-BTV. Sheer coincidence, I'm sure The ice just went out on Lake Champlain, seems a little early for summertime capacity like the 737-900.Jump to post
DL 767-400 scheduled for BTV on Monday. Looks like another National Guard charter, given where it's going (Alexandria, LA). Think it'll be the first 764 flight op at BTV.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KMSP/KBTV
I’m a B6 fan, personally, but I think the best thing about today’s announcement is that unofficial yet amazing cake that someone posted up thread. Talk about stealing the show....Jump to post
I was pleasantly surprised at how many people came out to see them leave. Certainly a bigger crowd than I have seen for anything else including AF1. A nice bonus was that I only had to stick around another 10 minutes or so to see Frontier arrive and get my first up-close look at the A320 NEO. I als...Jump to post
For BTV, today marked the last operational flight of the F16 for the VT ANG. Last flight took off at 1:58pm, in tribute to the 158th FW. https://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/story/news/local/2019/04/02/vermont-air-national-guard-f-16-fighter-jet-final-flight-burlington-international-airport/333966400...Jump to post
uconn99 wrote:UVM played in Hartford so they took the bus, lost Florida State in a close game.
I have read about the 757 also, and I think I might have even heard the USAir station manager at the time mention it, so I believe it was here. Interesting - maybe I'm not crazy after all :D The 757 is certainly larger and heavier than the A321, but according to my research an F9 A321 has a lot mor...Jump to post
I noticed on FR24 today that tomorrow's and next Thursday's flights are scheduled to be A321s. In terms of passengers I believe those will be the largest scheduled flights to have operated at BTV. Sometime in the 80's, USAir flew a one-off 757-200 PIT-BTV as a special upgauge around the Christmas h...Jump to post
Maybe they're just trying to shift a way from ORD for California/West Coast destinations? Seems unlikely. The 8am DEN-BTV could scarcely have worse timing for West Coast eastbound connections. The only way to make it work is to take the last DEN flight of the day out of SFO/SEA/etc., say 10pm, gett...Jump to post
Frontier’s very first flight into BTV happened to be an A320NEO, reg N329FR, Trixie the Fox:
The plot thickens..... exciting.
Worst-case is UA runs F9 off, then drops the route, leaving BTV back at square one. I hope the market responds and there ends up being room for both.
btvhopper wrote:More or less the same (pre-F9) pax numbers that PWM had for DEN...
B595 wrote:Frontier must be expecting a good amount of market stimulation (they can't count on poaching everyone from the other airlines).
mjgbtv wrote:Here are the numbers for 2017 and 2018. This is daily each way:
The flight has gotten way more buzz than Orlando, Denver will be a hit. There rightfully should be buzz. The Denver route lifts BTV from being an eastern-US regional airport to the national stage. MCO O&D is a bit less than DEN. RDU is about half of DEN. I could see MCO sticking around. RDU see...Jump to post
Allegiant was also competing with themselves at PBG, and there is probably too much overlap in the catchment area for both to do well for them. RIght, but the network folks at Allegiant knew they'd be competing with themselves and they aren't stupid, so there must have been some other factor(s) in ...Jump to post
Great marquee route for BTV, they're longest scheduled route ever, by far. Also stands a good chance of giving BTV its first A320 NEO service. We all know Quebec travels (at least those that travel to BTV, or PBG for that matter) are very price-sensitive so F9 is probably able to find a market that ...Jump to post
Thanks for your responses. I figured this was basically a "black swan" event. But prob & stats aside, these special liveries are great marketing for Southwest. Even my non-aviation wife and friends ooh-ed and aww-ed as Tennessee One went over.
Happy New Year
This past Sunday afternoon (the 30th) three Southwest special liveries landed one after the other at SJC: Colorado One (SW5638 from SNA at 328pm) Tennessee One (SW3389 from BUR at 338pm) Triple Crown One (SW362 from LAS aT 340pm) These are straight from flightradar24, but I personally saw Tennessee ...Jump to post
It's worth noting that Deputy Aviation Director Nic Lungo mentioned re-paving of the concrete around the terminal will allow the accommodation of "Larger planes." Also, this is an airport management that likes to be tight-lipped about expansion plans; so just because they're not public ab...Jump to post