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by LTC8K6
Mon Jun 22, 2020 8:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

From ARY News: Quote: Aviation Division refutes PK-8303 reports aired on media, nothing released yet On Jun 22, 2020 Last updated Jun 22, 2020 ISLAMABAD: Aviation Division of the country has refuted various news stories airing on media channels and social media as possible investigative report of PI...

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by LTC8K6
Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

https://www.airlive.net/breaking-the-co ... und-today/
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889091 wrote:
https://www.airlive.net/french-bea-confirms-technical-work-of-pia-pk8303-black-boxes-is-over/

With a pic of the FDR. The squarish casing on the left looks pretty charred up from the fire.


CVR?

https://www.airlive.net/breaking-the-co ... und-today/

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by LTC8K6
Sun Jun 07, 2020 10:27 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Another day another police killing
Replies: 863
Views: 34924

Re: Another day another police killing

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/05/us/buffalo-police-suspension-shoving-man-trnd/index.html I feel police are under the impression that they are 'Above The Law'. That needs to change immediately. Even with the clear 'Video Evidence' of these officers pushing a 75 year old man so hard causing injury...

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by LTC8K6
Sun Jun 07, 2020 2:00 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Another day another police killing
Replies: 863
Views: 34924

Re: Another day another police killing

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/05/us/buffalo-police-suspension-shoving-man-trnd/index.html I feel police are under the impression that they are 'Above The Law'. That needs to change immediately. Even with the clear 'Video Evidence' of these officers pushing a 75 year old man so hard causing injury...

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by LTC8K6
Sun May 31, 2020 2:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

The video claims that the lever was down before the first attempt. The prevailing thought at the time the video was made was that the warning heard on the audio was related to the landing gear. That now seems unlikely. Now seems more likely to be a speed related warning. How does it seem unlikely t...

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by LTC8K6
Sat May 30, 2020 2:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

This youtube channel insinuates that the gear lever was actually lowered. They claim to rely on official statements and eye witnesses. I wonder where they took that. At about 4m. https://youtu.be/oUOn6FrDPwg?t=240 The plane crashed with the landing gear down, I didn't see any doubt about that, so y...

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by LTC8K6
Thu May 28, 2020 1:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

asdf wrote:
can one rule out that they simply dont have CVRs installed?
only empty housings?

kinda .... better safe then sorry

or is this too far fetched?


That seems very unlikely, but we do seem to be in bizarro land with this accident...

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by LTC8K6
Wed May 27, 2020 12:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Discussed ad nauseam after AF447 and MH370. In summary, we are not quite there yet. Precisely the point, with all the recent incidents, this still is not becoming a priority! It's not that simple to just install something new on a passenger airliner. No one said it was simple. And are we only makin...

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by LTC8K6
Tue May 26, 2020 10:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Discussed ad nauseam after AF447 and MH370. In summary, we are not quite there yet. Precisely the point, with all the recent incidents, this still is not becoming a priority! It's not that simple to just install something new on a passenger airliner. It's even more difficult to install something th...

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by LTC8K6
Tue May 26, 2020 8:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

https://dunyanews.tv/en/Pakistan/546988-Pilot-crashed-plane-did-not-open-landing-gear-ATC The approach controller said that before landing, when the plane is usually at an altitude of 1800 feet, the captain was flying at an altitude of 3000 feet and even after repeated instructions, the captain main...

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by LTC8K6
Tue May 26, 2020 1:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

So do you gravity extend the gear in this situation, or commit to the belly landing? How much does the gravity gear extension affect the glide distance? I guess wait as long as possible to extend the gear? It entirely depends on how much energy you have - take a look at Air Transat Flight 236, dual...

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by LTC8K6
Mon May 25, 2020 11:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

So do you gravity extend the gear in this situation, or commit to the belly landing? How much does the gravity gear extension affect the glide distance?

I guess wait as long as possible to extend the gear?

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by LTC8K6
Mon May 25, 2020 1:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

What are the chances that Pakistan tries to sweep this under the carpet? Isn't the airline government owned? For some reason, I suspect we may never get the full story. As others mentioned, the if the plane is at 260 or above, the gear won't come down. I wonder if the alarm could he silenced with p...

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by LTC8K6
Mon May 25, 2020 1:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

This aircraft is tracked via MLAT, which means it does not broadcast position information via ADS-B. Flightradar24’s position data for MLAT tracked flights is calculated by the time difference of signal arrival to four receivers. If fewer than four receivers see the aircraft, position data cannot be...

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by LTC8K6
Mon May 25, 2020 1:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

This would be funny if it didn't end in tragedy. REALL? forgot to deploy the wheels? IMO, we can't rule out that the PF did request the gear down but it was rejected because the airplane was always doing >260kts. It is unlikely because you don't need a light or chime to tell you that the gear is do...

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by LTC8K6
Sun May 24, 2020 8:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

I read elsewhere that VLE for A320 was max 280 or the request for gear down is rejected. Do we know what was the speed of PK8303 when it was over the runway? Above 260 the gear will not go down, below 260 it follows the gear lever position. If there is weight on the wheels, it won't retract. If you...

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by LTC8K6
Sun May 24, 2020 7:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

I called forgetting gear down a couple of days ago, but, no one seemed to take me seriously.... Anyway, what’s even more astonishing , is that they managed to scrape the aircraft for around 2500ft Along a runway, on its two motors, and then take off again.... Totally mind blowing decision making.!!...

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by LTC8K6
Sun May 24, 2020 7:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

IWMBH wrote:
Don’t you get a terrain warning when you try to land an A320 without the gear down?


I believe you'll get several warnings of various types, panel/ECAM indications, chimes, spoken...

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by LTC8K6
Sun May 24, 2020 6:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

ratp101 wrote:
In the runway video there appear to be interruptions in the marks, as if the plane had bounced up, then down, before taking-off again...


Yes it appears they were scraping along the ground and bounced up at least once.

Must have been quite a sight to witnesses.

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by LTC8K6
Sun May 24, 2020 6:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

I called forgetting gear down a couple of days ago, but, no one seemed to take me seriously.... Anyway, what’s even more astonishing , is that they managed to scrape the aircraft for around 2500ft Along a runway, on its two motors, and then take off again.... Totally mind blowing decision making.!!...

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by LTC8K6
Sun May 24, 2020 4:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

There would probably be engine oil on the runway if the oil lines had been severed and oil was being pumped out.

Fuel as well, but that would evaporate rather fast.

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by LTC8K6
Sun May 24, 2020 3:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Given the A320 MLG cycle vids, it's hard to believe there was a gear cycle anywhere around the time the engines were close to, or touching the ground without badly damaging the MLG doors.

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by LTC8K6
Sun May 24, 2020 3:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

tax1k wrote:
If the engines scraped the runway for 1000+ ft wouldn’t that have thrown off sparks noticeable to ATC and/or other aircraft?

Avherald / CAA
"Ground observers reported sparks from the aircraft when it touched the ground."

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by LTC8K6
Sun May 24, 2020 1:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

I have seen no reliable information that the crew ever reported a gear problem, or ever requested help with a gear problem, or ever tried to work on a gear problem, before attempting to land. It was in the AvHerald initial report Do you mean this?: "had aborted the approach to Karachi due to p...

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by LTC8K6
Sat May 23, 2020 10:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

If we take the runway marks at face value, then the engines hit the pavement about 1,000 feet apart along the runway.

Wouldn't we expect both engines to hit at about the same spot if the gear was raised too early and the landing was level, but simply too far down the runway?

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by LTC8K6
Sat May 23, 2020 9:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Is it possible the nose Gear failed? Looking at a few photos of nose Gear failure in the A320, shows that the engines would have made contact with the runway. http://www.chinaaviationdaily.com/news/53/53971.html Well, there is no visible damage to the nose gear area. So you would have to speculate ...

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by LTC8K6
Sat May 23, 2020 8:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Poster at PPRUNE says that mode-S altitude never went to zero on the first attempt at landing, meaning there was never any weight on the wheels?

No idea if that's true.

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by LTC8K6
Sat May 23, 2020 7:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

If reports of the runway marks are accurate, It seems like the engines slid along the runway for several hundred feet, though.

It wasn't a touch and go, it was apparently a long-ish slide down the runway.

I don't think the gear was ever down.

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by LTC8K6
Sat May 23, 2020 7:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

I have seen no reliable information that the crew ever reported a gear problem, or ever requested help with a gear problem, or ever tried to work on a gear problem, before attempting to land.

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by LTC8K6
Sat May 23, 2020 6:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

You would certainly tell ATC if you had gear trouble and you'd certainly want to have emergency services ready if you are attempting to land with doubts about the landing gear. You're completely right. But also we have seen cases where pilots try to hide things from ATC with fear to expose some com...

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by LTC8K6
Sat May 23, 2020 6:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

AVHerald update (confirming gear-up "touch-and-go" on 1st landing attempt): On May 23rd 2020 Karachi Airport reported based on CAA inspection report that the runway inspection revealed scrape marks of the left engine start 4500 feet down the runway, the right engine scrape marks begin 550...

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by LTC8K6
Sat May 23, 2020 6:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

The avherald article states they were having problems with gear extension so I think we can rule out the crew forgetting to lower it. I think that was just an initial assumption. "On May 23rd 2020 Pakistan's Civil Aviation Authority reported in a press conference that both black boxes (Flight ...

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by LTC8K6
Sat May 23, 2020 4:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Wait why did they *lower* the gear for the stall/crash? I get the most-likely series of events but that one just adds another head-scratcher for me... They were optimists. Maybe that and... If you are about to crash somewhere else than on a runway anyway, every joule of energy which goes into rippi...

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by LTC8K6
Sat May 23, 2020 3:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

N766UA wrote:
Wait why did they *lower* the gear for the stall/crash? I get the most-likely series of events but that one just adds another head-scratcher for me...


They were optimists.

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by LTC8K6
Sat May 23, 2020 3:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Does the lack of gear door damage eliminate gear collapse and early gear retraction?

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by LTC8K6
Sat May 23, 2020 3:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Plus, the gear appears to be down in the last video. So it was apparently still in good enough shape to extend after the go around.

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by LTC8K6
Sat May 23, 2020 3:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Contrary to an earlier suggestion, if one zooms in to one of the photos above, as well as lower nacelle damage, one can also see see some intake lip damage. This site is so difficult that we cannot just attach a photograph to illustrate. I should still argue that what one can see in one of the phot...

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by LTC8K6
Sat May 23, 2020 2:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

A glaring missing piece of info here is the state of the runway. Surely if the cowlings impacted the tarmac there would be some signs of damage on the surface? And, as someone pointed out earlier in this thread, wouldn't the runway have been closed for checks? Also, since it was a clear day, the Co...

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by LTC8K6
Sat May 23, 2020 2:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

I do not see any sign of gear door damage.

So whatever happened, the gear doors appear untouched after the go-around.

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by LTC8K6
Sat May 23, 2020 2:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

My summary- Not related to covid shutdown as this plane had 7 prior flights to this accident The plane had a alarm go off warning that wheels were not locked properly but ignored it as a false alarm during 1st attempt. On touchdown, the physical feedback indicated to him that the wheels were actual...

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by LTC8K6
Sat May 23, 2020 2:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

I'm beginning to think they just forgot to lower the gear on the first landing attempt, so they attempted a belly landing. If they forgot to lower the gear they would not attempt a belly landing. They would go around -- which is what they did. As other posters have pointed out, if the go around was...

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by LTC8K6
Sat May 23, 2020 1:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

It's just more bizarre the more I learn about it.

The passengers apparently were not told anything about preparing for a belly landing or a crash landing, if we are to believe the report of one survivor.

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by LTC8K6
Sat May 23, 2020 1:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Flew thru flock of birds before last landing attempt...? You don't think the engine damage is a sufficient explanation for engine failure? They must have ingested a lot of FOD as well. https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune.org-vbulletin/1920x1080/100783266_2538486203030486_7385014493866098688_o_2_lar...

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by LTC8K6
Sat May 23, 2020 1:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

I have yet to see any news reports that the plane was damaged from a prior attempt at landing. Has Pakistan released anything in regards to this? Also, wouldn't the airport have some CCTV that might show the suspected damage made from the previous go around? And with THE RAT, that means they likely...

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by LTC8K6
Sat May 23, 2020 2:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

About those black streaks on the bottom of the engines, at 25 sec into the clip, there's a still shot (probably lifted from a.net) that shows similar black streaks on the bottom of the engines from what probably is a pic form a routine flight. Cant make out the reg though. https://www.yahoo.com/new...

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by LTC8K6
Sat May 23, 2020 12:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Draw a straight line along the angle of attack at the area suspected of being the engine striking the runway. The fuselage would have struck the ground just aft of the wing. Not to mention the nacelle would probably been ripped off. Fishy. TVNWZ, my thoughts exactly. No marks on the tail underside ...

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by LTC8K6
Fri May 22, 2020 11:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 155074

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Perhaps the engines clipped a fence, wall, or whatever, and not the ground?

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by LTC8K6
Mon Feb 03, 2020 6:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Kobe Bryant killed in a helicopter crash
Replies: 778
Views: 115414

Re: Kobe Bryant killed in a helicopter crash

Kinda' looks like it hit basically nose first and did a forward somersault up the hill. Probably at a slight sideways angle.

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by LTC8K6
Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Kobe Bryant killed in a helicopter crash
Replies: 778
Views: 115414

Re: Kobe Bryant killed in a helicopter crash

The doorbell video with the audio of the end of the flight just sounds like a normal helicopter flyby until the sounds of impact.
It doesn't even sound like a fast flyby.

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