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by astuteman
Thu Aug 13, 2020 11:58 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Will Donald Trump get a second term?
Replies: 537
Views: 35106

Re: Will Donald Trump get a second term?

And more cheating from the occupant https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/13/politics/trump-usps-funding-comments-2020-election/index.html https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/13/donald-trump-usps-post-office-election-funding He admits to defunding the postal service because people vote by mail. He k...

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by astuteman
Tue Aug 04, 2020 11:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q3 2020
Replies: 307
Views: 54739

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q3 2020

Back in March, did anyone genuinely think that the MAX would be on the ground for the neck end of 21 months? I wouldn't wish Covid19 on anyone, but it couldn't have happened at a better time for the MAX. A 21 month grounding with the airline industry in full chat and the NEO coming off the lines at...

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by astuteman
Tue Aug 04, 2020 6:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q3 2020
Replies: 307
Views: 54739

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q3 2020

Back in March, did anyone genuinely think that the MAX would be on the ground for the neck end of 21 months? I wouldn't wish Covid19 on anyone, but it couldn't have happened at a better time for the MAX. A 21 month grounding with the airline industry in full chat and the NEO coming off the lines at ...

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by astuteman
Wed Jul 29, 2020 6:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Confirms 747 Production Will End in 2022, Delays 777X Entry to 2022, Reduces 787/777/777X Production
Replies: 176
Views: 27918

Re: Boeing Confirms 747 Production Will End in 2022, Delays 777X Entry to 2022, Reduces 787/777/777X Production

None of this news from Boeing is at all surprising. We will hear similar news from Airbus soon. On to the side subject of wide body demand and international travel. ANet is extremely pessimistic on international travel recovery, irrationally so in my opinion. I don't think pessimism on the internat...

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by astuteman
Wed Jul 29, 2020 10:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X
Replies: 615
Views: 110712

Re: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X

People seem to overlook one interesting fact: There is already a re-engined 764, it's called the A339. And just like the original A330 blew the 767 out of the water for passenger sales, so would the present offering with a 764 Max. As for re-engining the present fleet of 764s, get a grip. The insta...

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by astuteman
Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why didn't Hawaiian wait for the A321LR/XLR?
Replies: 69
Views: 13995

Re: Why didn't Hawaiian wait for the A321LR/XLR?

:redflag: No rest, I'm afraid. Not as long as there are people who disagree with you and have their own booking preferences. I am firmly in the anti-narrowbody crowd when it comes to flight times greater than 5-6 hours. There are many folks who choose to fly on a widebody every time, hands down whe...

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by astuteman
Mon Jul 13, 2020 8:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates: 777X further delayed until 2022, considering to convert more orders to 787
Replies: 174
Views: 33999

Re: Emirates: 777X further delayed until 2022, considering to convert more orders to 787

My above analysis left out the A340, with a "nominal" seating capacity of 380 in its later versions. My apologies. While it was being used to replace early 747's at the time of the launch of the A380; overall adding it into the analysis still showed a declining market for aircraft in or n...

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by astuteman
Sun Jul 12, 2020 8:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates: 777X further delayed until 2022, considering to convert more orders to 787
Replies: 174
Views: 33999

Re: Emirates: 777X further delayed until 2022, considering to convert more orders to 787

Why are people acting like nobody will ever need that size of aircraft in this industry again. Is it needed now? Of course not. But this talk of cancelling the program. If they didn’t cancel the 747-8 program, I’m sure this program still has life in it. Somebody said the aircraft offers little effi...

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by astuteman
Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet
Replies: 504
Views: 91634

Re: Rumour: Emirates to decommission 40% of A380 fleet

P2P is greatly exaggerated. Most 787 and 350 are connecting hubs. IMHO P2P growth will come from NB Yah you connect to a major hub in your country then you can fly to the destination country. You don’t need to go to Dubai. i think the hub-to-hub, hub-to-point, and point-to-point models all have mer...

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by astuteman
Fri Jul 10, 2020 6:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders
Replies: 260
Views: 61453

Re: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders

I expect to see many more cancellations and more jets unlikely to be delivered; the massacre in the order books will go on. You could be right but even if half the orders are canceled they will still have a backlog of a couple thousand 737's which will allow for years more production while the econ...

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by astuteman
Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders
Replies: 260
Views: 61453

Re: Airbus and Boeing 2020 Orders

I find it amazing that there is still no cancellation rush for Airbus. What am I missing? I don’t think you’re missing anything. The vast majority of Boeing’s cancellations are MAX, which because of the circumstances, are easy to cancel. Less-flexible sales contracts so customers are likely deferri...

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by astuteman
Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Norwegian Air Cancels Orders For 92 737 MAXs and 5 787s
Replies: 126
Views: 23738

Re: Norwegian Air Cancels Orders For 92 737 MAXs and 5 787s

No it cannot. Might as well use their B787s then and kill the airline outright. the only airline that uses LH aircraft on SH routes is Emirates and even they are re-thinking their idea I Don't get this. There's a big difference between using a long-haul widebody to operate a short-haul narrowbody r...

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by astuteman
Thu Jul 02, 2020 8:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Norwegian Air Cancels Orders For 92 737 MAXs and 5 787s
Replies: 126
Views: 23738

Re: Norwegian Air Cancels Orders For 92 737 MAXs and 5 787s

Wouldn't have made a difference the fundamental problem is where do you put planes in the off season? Because the legacies dump economy seats in the offseason and that kills the discounter market An A321XLR could be used on intra-European routes relatively easily. No it cannot. Might as well use th...

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by astuteman
Sun Jun 28, 2020 8:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 392
Views: 52782

Re: Airbus A320neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ha-lje


Many thanks for the excellent work and diligence, qf789.

I'm sure many posters appreciate it the same way I do. Please keep it up :thumbsup:

Rgds
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qf789 wrote:
Wizzair A320neo HA-LJE MSN 10046, delivered TLS-BUD (27 Jun)

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ha-lje


Many thanks for the excellent work and diligence, qf789.

I'm sure many posters appreciate it the same way I do. Please keep it up :thumbsup:

Rgds

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by astuteman
Sat Jun 27, 2020 5:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020
Replies: 112
Views: 33691

Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2020

When was the last A339 delivered? I see much discussion on movements. When was the last A330NEO was delivered? Lightsaber Does this help? https://aibfamily.flights/search?a330_hide_ceo=true&flight_activity=Delivery+Flight&family=A330 Nice resource. Last delivery flight I found was 2/28. The...

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by astuteman
Mon Jun 01, 2020 8:40 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Another day another police killing
Replies: 863
Views: 34396

Re: Another day another police killing

Considering the comment of mine that you were replying to was referring to Japan, it would appear your astuteness doesn't extend beyond your username ;) That would make sense. And you are right. The Astuteness does not refer to any characteristic of mine. :) Rgds Apologies, that was more rude on my...

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by astuteman
Mon Jun 01, 2020 6:42 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Another day another police killing
Replies: 863
Views: 34396

Re: Another day another police killing

I'm quite familiar with the UK, thanks. 87% the same race and culture puts you in pretty homogenous territory. Of course other Euro countries have racial issues. I have several Maghreb friends from when I lived in Paris so am familiar with the rough policing that happens there. At least you are as ...

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by astuteman
Mon Jun 01, 2020 12:03 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Another day another police killing
Replies: 863
Views: 34396

Re: Another day another police killing

I'm quite familiar with the UK, thanks. 87% the same race and culture puts you in pretty homogenous territory. Of course other Euro countries have racial issues. I have several Maghreb friends from when I lived in Paris so am familiar with the rough policing that happens there. At least you are as ...

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by astuteman
Mon Jun 01, 2020 5:20 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Another day another police killing
Replies: 863
Views: 34396

Re: Another day another police killing

Some of our UK and other non-USA posters try to make comparisons of their countries and the USA as to the almost polar opposite numbers killed by guns inducing by and of police but they forget one critical factor - they have a 180 degree different political structure and culture as to guns. You thi...

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by astuteman
Sun May 31, 2020 7:56 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Another day another police killing
Replies: 863
Views: 34396

Re: Another day another police killing

It's always interesting being chided about race relations by completely homogenous countries. Of course they don't have the racial violence we do...because they have no practical racial diversity. America needs to do better. There's just no excusing the bad policing that has occurred. But it's also...

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by astuteman
Sat May 30, 2020 5:40 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Another day another police killing
Replies: 863
Views: 34396

Re: Another day another police killing

The complaints run a lot deeper - people have lived their whole lives with the reality that their lives can be at risk for no good reason, and the world at large doesn't care enough to notice. This is grossly overstating the risk of dying at the hands of police. Police in the USA kill about 1.000 p...

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by astuteman
Sat May 09, 2020 8:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: GECAS Cancels 69 737 MAX Orders
Replies: 17
Views: 7084

Re: GECAS Cancels 69 737 MAX Orders

If one thinks about it the MAX reborn, into a “Covid friendly” seating configuration could quickly become the airliner of choice as airlines dump large widebodies, and passengers become accustomed to tech stop long hauls. One door closes another opens in trouble times. At the risk of sounding parti...

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by astuteman
Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus CEO: "“We’re bleeding cash; may threaten existence of company"
Replies: 190
Views: 31226

Re: Airbus CEO: "“We’re bleeding cash at an unprecedented speed, which may threaten the very existence of our company,”

He needs to keep or restart A380 and cut A330 . What if Boeing as a consequence decides to restart B757? What doesn't seem to be on people's radar is how much the current situation resets, or otherwise, the sorry WTO saga on both sides. I use the word "reset" deliberately, as I can't see ...

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by astuteman
Wed Apr 29, 2020 11:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA could make up to 12,000 employees redundant
Replies: 328
Views: 62442

Re: BA could make up to 12.000 employees redundant

Galway couldn’t disagree more its far easier and cheaper to ditch the young Mixed Fleet crews many of whom would cost very little to IAG and indeed even less if SSD terms applied - Major threats must surely be once again Gatwick crews and staff after such hard work to turn the business centre aroun...

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by astuteman
Sun Apr 26, 2020 11:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing is being forced to give larger discounts
Replies: 66
Views: 10347

Re: Boeing is being forced to give larger discounts

Airbus relies too much on NEO profits and it just isn't plausible the MAX isn't shipping in 2021. Oh, Boeing won't have a great 2021, but Boeing has had a higher profit margin, so they can discount more. Boeing can shed staff and vendors faster. While not great for the workers, it makes the company...

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by astuteman
Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing is being forced to give larger discounts
Replies: 66
Views: 10347

Re: Boeing is being forced to give larger discounts

Today no airlines want widebodies and for a few months of the restart. The MAX will eventually be certified and Boeing will find a price they sell at. This is bad, but not the end for either company. Boeing found a small discount would move the 787s. More will be required (not amount of discount, b...

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by astuteman
Sun Apr 26, 2020 8:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Boeing Terminates Agreement to Establish Joint Ventures with Embraer
Replies: 1171
Views: 147881

Re: Updated: Boeing Terminates Agreement to Establish Joint Ventures with Embraer

scbriml wrote:
JayinKitsap wrote:
The EU not approving the deal, with repeated delays of 3-4 months at a time, was not helping.


Looks like it saved Boeing's bacon!

If it was the only issue, Embraer and Boeing could have simply extended the deadline.


Feels to me like the EU just saved Boeing $4Bn in cash ……

Rgds

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by astuteman
Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing is being forced to give larger discounts
Replies: 66
Views: 10347

Re: Boeing is being forced to give larger discounts

At some point, some carrier with a more vendor-friendly legal system is going to try this trick and Boeing's going to say 'No problem. You're in default. For now we're keeping our plane and your deposit. See you in court.' This appears to be what Airbus is doing with AirAsia's three A321neo and thr...

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by astuteman
Thu Apr 23, 2020 2:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing is sued for $336 million over canceled 737 MAX order
Replies: 57
Views: 9915

Re: ALAFCO Sues Boeing Over Max

Something isn't adding up here. :scratchchin: Leeham lists the MAX cancellations for this year and ALAFCO isn't included. https://leehamnews.com/2020/04/22/hotr-airlines-lessors-cancel-250-maxes-since-january/ Boeing still lists ALAFCO as having 40 MAX on order with all 40 still outstanding. So, fo...

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by astuteman
Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020
Replies: 607
Views: 57421

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, April 2020

As per https://www.reuters.com/article/boeing-737max-cdb-leasing/cdb-financial-leasing-cancels-purchase-of-29-boeing-737-max-jets-idUSL4N2C800K in our news thread, lessor China Development Bank has canceled 29 MAXes. What's interesting to me is they kept 70 they had on order. This is similar to ear...

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by astuteman
Mon Apr 20, 2020 9:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing to Restart Washington State Aircraft Production
Replies: 144
Views: 19077

Re: Boeing to Restart Washington State Aircraft Production

Boeing Everett's main plant is massive, 4.3 million square feet. Separation at 6' means a 6'x6' area, lets use a standard of 10'x10' average. Then just the main plant building could have social distancing for 47,000 people in just that building. Boeing has 27,000 employees in the Puget Sound Area o...

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by astuteman
Sat Apr 18, 2020 8:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: CX to walk away from 777X order
Replies: 225
Views: 41402

Re: Rumor: CX to walk away from 777X order

Which doesn't bode well for A35K either, it's claimed superiority doesn't matter if airlines simply don't want planes that big. Project Sunrise is kind of a hollow victory, no money is changing hands... Possibly not. The A35K IS lighter and cheaper to operate than the 777X of course, and has a smal...

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by astuteman
Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:12 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020
Replies: 1896
Views: 66622

Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

I think that Captain Tom will reach the age of 100 soon. I would hate to be the postman delivering his mail on his birthday. Aimed to raise £1,000 but raised £17,000,000 and more. What a phenomenal result. Through his enterprise and efforts he has become recognised as a national hero, held in affec...

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by astuteman
Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:10 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020
Replies: 1896
Views: 66622

Re: Coronavirus Non Aviation Thread - April 2020

COVID-19 is coming a bit closer to home. A high school class mate of mine has died from COVID-19. Her 30-something son also has died from COVID-19. A nephew had a strong case and is now recovering but his partner may have caught it in the process. Two former co-workers have it. Two friends have it....

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by astuteman
Fri Apr 17, 2020 3:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: EasyJet, Bail it or bin it?
Replies: 117
Views: 24834

Re: EasyJet, Bail it or bin it?

Interesting article as to why the Airbus order wont, or can't, be dropped - it'll be too expensive to walk away! https://www.marketwatch.com/story/easyjet-unable-to-terminate-airbus-contract-2020-04-16 I guess Stelios thinks that Airbus values Easyjet so much that they will give them a way out. Whi...

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by astuteman
Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumor: CX to walk away from 777X order
Replies: 225
Views: 41402

Re: Rumor: CX to walk away from 777X order

In the end, like you said, I am not even sure the market wants in huge numbers frame as large as the 77W in the future, even to replace it. Which doesn't bode well for A35K either, it's claimed superiority doesn't matter if airlines simply don't want planes that big. Project Sunrise is kind of a ho...

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by astuteman
Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380
Replies: 36
Views: 13991

Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

The A380 has always been criticised for being too heavy, this proves it..... Which would be ok if the A380 didn't have lower pavement loading than several other heavies, including the 747 and 777. The correct explanations have been given upthread. Rgds That the A380 in question wasn't where it was ...

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by astuteman
Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380
Replies: 36
Views: 13991

Re: A taxiway at Chateauroux Airport gave in due to the weight of a British Airways Airbus A380

fcogafa wrote:
The A380 has always been criticised for being too heavy, this proves it.....


Which would be ok if the A380 didn't have lower pavement loading than several other heavies, including the 747 and 777.

The correct explanations have been given upthread.

Rgds

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by astuteman
Thu Apr 16, 2020 4:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020
Replies: 607
Views: 57421

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, April 2020

I'm not sure at all airplanes contracts are vaporware. OEM are expert making these contracts : they make these contracts every week while an airline is making one every X years... What is not vaporware also is a delivery slot. Most of the narrow body products are flying domestic routes. And it seem...

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by astuteman
Wed Apr 15, 2020 7:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020
Replies: 607
Views: 57421

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, April 2020

Let me try to get ahead of Covid-19 and how it will affect the 737Max (and Airbus 320 family). I actually think that it's likely that both Airbus and Boeing will see in the range of 1000 narrow body cancellations each as a fallout from Covid-19. Another reality is that still leaves very large multi...

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by astuteman
Wed Apr 15, 2020 8:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"
Replies: 1642
Views: 155245

Re: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"

Airbus is working on stabilizing their production since the A220 is losing money (source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/airbus-and-boeing-have-both-forgotten-how-to-make-money/2020/02/13/ff0b1dd2-4e4d-11ea-967b-e074d302c7d4_story.html) , A321neo production is way behind schedule, and the ...

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by astuteman
Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020
Replies: 607
Views: 57421

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, April 2020

Exactly what I said. If you're Boeing, then certification rules are for fools. You know better than regulators what's good and what's bad and you follow only what's convenient. Well Regulators haven't exactly been showing supreme judgement - they are the ones that delegated to Boeing. I know the is...

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by astuteman
Sun Apr 05, 2020 7:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus considering significant A320 rate reduction cut
Replies: 106
Views: 12128

Re: Airbus considering significant A320 rate reduction cut

Does that mean that you should never trust order statistics again if there is an admitted 'significant level of overbooking'? Crazy I think there are industry standards for orders, with deposit schedules, etc. Given these things are on the vendor's web sites, one would hope some sort of minimal sta...

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by astuteman
Sun Apr 05, 2020 5:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus considering significant A320 rate reduction cut
Replies: 106
Views: 12128

Re: Airbus considering significant A320 rate reduction cut

... Your question is legitimate, but the biggest question is why there is a production rate cut if there is a "significant" overbooking? Because what was firm and a great over booking situation is probably in the near term anything but. The is a generational incident. The impact on the wo...

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by astuteman
Sun Apr 05, 2020 11:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus considering significant A320 rate reduction cut
Replies: 106
Views: 12128

Re: Airbus considering significant A320 rate reduction cut

Avolon just announced a delay in accepting delivery of a score of A320neo to 2027 if I am not mistaken. There will undoubtedly be plenty more deferrals and cancellations IMHO. But interestingly they didn't cancel any. They treated their outstanding MAX orders completely differently, which must be a...

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by astuteman
Sun Apr 05, 2020 9:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus considering significant A320 rate reduction cut
Replies: 106
Views: 12128

Re: Airbus considering significant A320 rate reduction cut

Considering the fact the A320neo backlog is still more than 6,100 units, is there any possible cancellations in sight? The production rate cut would only spread the delivery of the current backlog far-far away into the future. Would not it be logical to think that about one thousand of these firm o...

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by astuteman
Sat Apr 04, 2020 7:19 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: How Capable could an 737-10ER be?
Replies: 43
Views: 8643

Re: How Capable could an 737-10ER be?

It's not as bad as you are assuming if you dig into the ACAPS. The A321 NEO at 101T looks like about 9,500'. The 739 is about 10,500. A thrust bump on the -10 could do wonders. Can I confess to being challenged by the notion that a 3,500Nm 180 pax plane taking 10,500ft when a 4,700Nm 200 pax plane ...

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by astuteman
Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:13 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: How Capable could an 737-10ER be?
Replies: 43
Views: 8643

Re: How Capable could an 737-10ER be?

Until Boeing comes up with something more than a levered gear to prevent tail strikes, the appeal of the lower weight long range MAX a/c will be tempered by the tons of concrete needed to get it off the ground. If the a/c is RTS and the back log of A321-XXXX keeps growing, clients will be tempted, ...

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by astuteman
Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:33 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Novel Coronavirus outbreak
Replies: 4092
Views: 163120

Re: Novel Coronavirus outbreak

Nursing homes in Sardinia, Italy hit hard. After one person died of Covid19 last week in the nursing home Casa Serena in Sassari, 163 residents and staff have been tested of whom 63 tested positive to Covid19. The nursing home is run by the municipality. https://www.lanuovasardegna.it/sassari/crona...

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by astuteman
Thu Mar 26, 2020 2:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Financial Discussion 2020
Replies: 432
Views: 60112

Re: Boeing Financial Discussion 2020

Boeing may not like the conditions that come with US help for the aviation sector. Main conditions are: Executive pay Dividends to shareholders Stock Buy-backs The government to get warrants allowing to buy stock. As Calhoun already stated he will not take any money if it meant the government takin...

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