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by yeogeo
Thu Jun 25, 2020 1:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbor_Sp ... al_Airport

Since Harbor Springs Municipal Airport doesn't officially have an IATA code, I used the ICAO for the Great Circle Mapper.
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FTMCPIUS wrote:
What is KMGN? On the map it looks like the Harbor Springs area, a little south of PLN.


Google is your friend:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harbor_Sp ... al_Airport

Since Harbor Springs Municipal Airport doesn't officially have an IATA code, I used the ICAO for the Great Circle Mapper.

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by yeogeo
Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Hadn't noticed this before, from several days ago... http://mediaroom.jetblue.com/investor-relations/press-releases/2020/06-18-2020-143034427 One new route out of 30 for jetBlue involves O'Hare: ORD-PBI, effective October 1, "Up to 1x Daily" 5880231 It’s actually showing a 320. Departs 7:...

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by yeogeo
Wed Jun 24, 2020 11:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

6049247 Looking closer at the above its obvious that the retention pond W west of United's B gates is empty or nearly so. This is the basin that needed draining by way of a tunnel dug for the purpose under two active runways; one of the first projects needing completion before satellite terminals c...

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by yeogeo
Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

x1234 wrote:
What's the status of the train from T1/2/3 to T5?
Is it done yet?


:eek: No
Why? Don't you like to take the bus?
^humor
Up thread there's been a few mentionings of some of the new cars moving about.
In the CDA the progress or lack of is top secret, apparently.

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by yeogeo
Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

http://mediaroom.jetblue.com/investor-r ... -143034427

One new route out of 30 for jetBlue involves O'Hare:
ORD-PBI, effective October 1, "Up to 1x Daily"
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Hadn't noticed this before, from several days ago...
http://mediaroom.jetblue.com/investor-r ... -143034427

One new route out of 30 for jetBlue involves O'Hare:
ORD-PBI, effective October 1, "Up to 1x Daily"

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by yeogeo
Wed Jun 24, 2020 5:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

I would suggest a seasonal ORD-SUE, at 200mi it fits the bill for 4B! Door County has a large seasonal inhabitant population from all over, heavy summer tourism and a bit of industry in Sturgeon Bay itself (shipbuilding & ship maintenance). ... Yes, there would be a better airport in Michigan t...

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by yeogeo
Wed Jun 24, 2020 4:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

And now it's Midway's turn for a beautiful overview - taken on June 8.

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by yeogeo
Tue Jun 23, 2020 5:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

I also saw someone post that Boutique Air... code shares with United and American. Do you think such a small airline would consider flying from Rockford and/or Gary to O'Hare? Or, do Boutique and Air Choice One only fly to airports with Essential Air Service funds? Boutique and Air Choice One only ...

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by yeogeo
Tue Jun 23, 2020 3:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

5840871 KLM Two months ago: From April 12 through May, KLM intends to operate 787-10's 3X/week on its ORD-AMS route. For July: ORD-AMS 7X/week with 787-10's. https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/292002/klm-july-2020-inter-continental-nework-as-of-21jun20/?utm_medium=email&utm_sourc...

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by yeogeo
Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

2811465 AeroMexico One month ago: The following is scheduled to commence Mid-June: ORD-MEX 3X/week 737-800 For July: ORD-GDL 7X/week ORD-MEX 5X/week Both routes to operate with 737-800's. https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/291334/aeromexico-june-2020-international-operations-as-of-17...

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by yeogeo
Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

5105095 Iberia "OneWorld member Iberia recently filed preliminary long-haul operation for the month of July 2020, as the airline gradually restores regular operation." For July 1, 14 destinations announced for IB long-haul including ORD-MAD 1X/week operating A-330, increasing to 4X/week o...

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by yeogeo
Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

A beautiful clear shot of O'Hare on April 21 in this shot from Planecatcher.


Amazing how popular these overviews are - after only a few days he's at more than 6,000 views.

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by yeogeo
Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
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Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Even if only for a cargo op (I suspect), its good to see Virgin Atlantic back at O'Hare again -with a 789. Nice!

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by yeogeo
Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

"[EY] plans to operate 42 routes between 01JUL20 and 15JUL20. Planned operation as of 11JUN20 as follows..." ORD-AUH 7X/week 787-9 Are these bookable pax flights or cargo/repatriation? I've never known OAG to issue reports on cargo or repatriation flights, so the answer to your question i...

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by yeogeo
Tue Jun 23, 2020 2:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Forgive me if this has been discussed, I took a hiatus from A-Net since COVID-19 started because it was too depressing. But, now that things are coming back, I am back. Yes, I am a fairweather fan. Does someone have a list of international passenger flights that are currently in operation from ORD?...

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by yeogeo
Tue Jun 23, 2020 1:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

5940207 Scandinavian Airlines SAS Three weeks ago: "SAS resumes limited long-haul passenger service from June 2020" Limited might be an understatement; two routes in total are planned: EWR and ORD. ORD-CPH A-333 2X/week Aircraft overnights at O'Hare. Effective June 11 For July increasing ...

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by yeogeo
Sat Jun 13, 2020 12:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

5999531 Etihad Airways One month ago: AUH – ORD 4X/week 77W Effective May 17 with daily service scheduled to start May 28. "[EY] plans to operate 42 routes between 01JUL20 and 15JUL20. Planned operation as of 11JUN20 as follows..." ORD-AUH 7X/week 787-9 https://www.routesonline.com/news/3...

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by yeogeo
Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

5560647 Japan Airlines One month ago: JAL's international flights in May consist of in total 14 destinations, including HND – ORD 1X/week 77W . "JAL on Wednesday (10JUN20) announced planned International operation for the month of July 2020. Planned operation as follows. This list only focuses...

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by yeogeo
Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

5814541 All Nippon Airlines One month ago: NRT – ORD 3X/week 77W For the month of July: ORD-NRT 7X/week https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/291739/ana-july-2020-international-operations-as-of-09jun20/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=airlineroute&utm_campaign=airlineroute&utm_c...

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by yeogeo
Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-20200610
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Austrian Airlines

Effective July 1:
ORD-VIE 3X/week 767-300ER

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-20200610

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by yeogeo
Tue Jun 09, 2020 5:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

6042049 Turkish Airlines Resuming ORD-IST pax ops 3X/week with 789's, effective June 19th. https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/291714/turkish-airlines-updates-june-2020-international-service-tofrom-istanbul-as-of-08jun20/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=airlineroute&utm_campaign=a...

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by yeogeo
Tue Jun 09, 2020 2:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

2807129 Three weeks ago: Icelandair "FI in the last few days filed changes to its inventory for the remainder of summer 2020 season... These frequency reductions and service cancellations will take place when the airline resumes full operation as early as June 2020." ORD-KEF 5X/week (a/c ...

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by yeogeo
Mon Jun 08, 2020 6:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020


Kbud wrote:
yeogeo wrote:
First Saudi Arabian Airlines a/c in the ORD A-Net database: a 77W on 24th of May.

Where did it park at ORD, T5? Did they only have cargo, or passengers too?


Repatriation flights I believe, therefore I assume they used T-5.

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by yeogeo
Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

1989758 This may have been mentioned by jcwr upthread, but not sure dates were provided. PK is planning flights ISB-ORD-ISB (repatriation in both directions), arriving O'Hare on the 13th, departing on the 14th. https://www.geo.tv/latest/291979-pia-special-flight-to-repatriate-stranded-nationals-fro...

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by yeogeo
Sun Jun 07, 2020 12:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ph-bfs
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Matt Kostelnick caught the last landing at O'Hare of former KLM 744 PH-BFS.



She took off from O'Hare for the Mojave the next day as flight KL 747.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/ph-bfs

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by yeogeo
Sun Jun 07, 2020 11:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

First Saudi Arabian Airlines a/c in the ORD A-Net database: a 77W on 24th of May.

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by yeogeo
Sat Jun 06, 2020 1:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Really interesting taxi/gate guidelines shown. https://i.postimg.cc/QxbpF3LJ/Screen-Shot-2020-06-06-at-8-12-03-AM.png Wow, I'll say! Anyone out there explain the functionality of the markings? Clearly not at all like the modern guidelines that are to line up with the nose wheel of the aircraft.

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by yeogeo
Fri Jun 05, 2020 5:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

6022755 El Al Isreal Airlines "Tel Aviv – Chicago O’Hare 3 weekly closed for booking until 13MAR21" https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/291653/el-al-202021-network-modification-as-of-04jun20/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=airlineroute&utm_campaign=airlineroute&utm_...

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by yeogeo
Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

All I can say in looking at this shot recently added to the O'Hare database:
In 13 years how much has changed!

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by yeogeo
Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

6011701 British Airways One month ago: From April 9 to April 30, BA will be operating on the LHR – ORD route once daily with 777-200ER's Effective June 3: ORD-LHR 14X/week 787-9 https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/291625/british-airways-july-2020-long-haul-operations-as-of-03jun20/?ut...

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by yeogeo
Thu Jun 04, 2020 7:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

4225139 Emirates One week ago: Schedule as of May 25: Effective July 1 ORD-DXB 7X/week 77W Now effective June 15: 3X/week 77W 7X/week still scheduled effective July 1 https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/291628/emirates-15-30jun20-limited-service-increase-as-of-04jun20/?utm_medium=emai...

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by yeogeo
Thu Jun 04, 2020 4:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

ORD T2 1962. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49968652376_b365c59b34_b.jpg Source: Postcard-Private Collection-Curteichcolor 2DK-1176 I suspect it's an Eastern L188 Electra. You are correct. Sure enough! Looked for Electras in the ORD database and came up with this from 1961... 1110984 ...in whi...

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by yeogeo
Thu Jun 04, 2020 3:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
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Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

ORD T2 1962. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49968652376_b365c59b34_b.jpg Source: Postcard-Private Collection-Curteichcolor 2DK-1176 Great picture, se210. I've never seen that one before. Any ideas of the aircraft on the far left of the image showing only the fin? At first thought of North Cent...

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by yeogeo
Mon Jun 01, 2020 7:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Hi I thought I read that TAP was resuming ORD-LIS but don't see anything bookable -- anyone know about this? from two weeks ago, upthread: 5945775 Glad to see this: "Lisbon – Chicago O’Hare Service resumes on 01AUG20, 3 of 4-7 weekly open for reservation. A330-900neo operating." https://w...

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by yeogeo
Sun May 31, 2020 2:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

1980 SAS DC-10 at T-3, if I'm not mistaken. 1726466 On further review... I'm thinking this DC-10 is actually pictured at the old International Terminal (where T-1 now sits). The Hilton is concave to the south, therefore this picture was taken west of the structure, not east where T-3 was (is).

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by yeogeo
Sat May 30, 2020 8:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

6024251 United Airlines 4 weeks ago: The following UA long-haul routes from O'Hare are planned to resume on May 20 : ORD – AMS 1 daily 767-300ER ORD – BRU 1 daily 787-10 (replacing 777-200ER) ORD – CDG 1 daily 777-200ER ORD – FRA 2 daily 787-10/777-200ER ORD – GRU 1 daily 777-200ER ORD – LHR return...

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by yeogeo
Sat May 30, 2020 1:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
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Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

Thanks for the responses, I never knew T2 handled that big of jets. Ive only ever known T2 for flying on DL, AC or UAX. Before the current T1 opened for United, United's base was terminal 2. They could park 2 747s at the end of the E concourse. I believe it was gates 13 and 11. I also saw 747s park...

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by yeogeo
Fri May 29, 2020 4:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

2672204 Finnair Sad to report that "...Finnair will cancel following long-haul destinations until March 2021: Busan (previously scheduled new destination), Guangzhou, Nanjing, Beijing Daxing, Xi’An, Sapporo New Chitose, Fukuoka, Chicago O’Hare , San Francisco and Los Angeles." https://www...

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by yeogeo
Thu May 28, 2020 10:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
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Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

March air traffic data posted. I'm actually a bit suprised its not worse. With YTD through Q1 "only" being down 17.3% at O'hare. MDW faired worse down 23%. Maybe April will prove to be the lows. https://www.flychicago.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/Business/FactAndFigures/AirTraffic/032020%2...

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by yeogeo
Thu May 28, 2020 6:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-a ... mmer-2020/
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Frontier

F9 just announced four new Florida routes out of O'Hare effective July:
TPA, RSW, SRQ & PNS

https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-a ... mmer-2020/

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by yeogeo
Thu May 28, 2020 4:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

5940207 Scandinavian Airlines SAS "SAS resumes limited long-haul passenger service from June 2020" Limited might be an understatement; two routes in total are planned: EWR and ORD. ORD-CPH A-333 2X/week Aircraft overnights at O'Hare. Effective June 11 https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/...

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by yeogeo
Thu May 28, 2020 12:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

5937451 Alaska Airlines As of May 27, AS plans on resuming ORD-LAX on OCT 1 https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/291470/alaska-airlines-files-temporary-domestic-routes-cancellation-in-s20/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=airlineroute&utm_campaign=airlineroute&utm_content=airlin...

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by yeogeo
Wed May 27, 2020 7:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

6018855 Emirates One week ago: Effective May 23, DXB-ORD 2X/week 77W Schedule as of May 25: Effective July 1 ORD-DXB 7X/week 77W https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/291422/emirates-july-october-2020-operations-as-of-0445gmt-25may20/?utm_medium=email&utm_source=airlineroute&utm...

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by yeogeo
Tue May 26, 2020 11:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

So it looks like DL is flying a 767-300 DTW-ORD daily for the next few days. It looks like a normal flight number DL1066. And it will be parking on their own gates at T2. So for those never seeing a widebody parked out there, this will be a good time. Actually, they can go up to a 772 if needed. Ye...

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by yeogeo
Tue May 26, 2020 1:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

So it looks like DL is flying a 767-300 DTW-ORD daily for the next few days. It looks like a normal flight number DL1066. I remember when they flew, briefly, 767's on the ORD- CDG route from T-5 and I've heard they fit 767's into T-2 from time to time but have never seen one there. Do you know the ...

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by yeogeo
Tue May 26, 2020 11:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

FYI for my fellow construction nerds, Paschen updated their FB page a a few days ago with 4 new shots of the construction...on the page they said they completed a major milestone with the opening of taxiway FF, but I'm pretty sure somebody messed that up because the shots seem to highlight the KK e...

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by yeogeo
Fri May 22, 2020 5:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

3988805 Copa Two weeks ago: Effective June 8, ORD-PTY 2X/week 737-800 (3X/week from 29JUN20) Resumption now pushed back to July 3: 3X/ week 737-800 https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/291399/copa-airlines-moves-planned-service-resumption-to-late-june-2020/?utm_medium=email&utm_sou...

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by yeogeo
Fri May 22, 2020 12:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
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Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

First Edelweiss Air in the ORD database.


One of WK's four formerly Swiss A343's.

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by yeogeo
Thu May 21, 2020 10:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

What are the odds the tram to the rental car facility and long term parking finishes up during this mess? Maybe it's just the times, but seems a little ominous that we haven't heard a thing lately... although its always hard to interpret crickets. Most optimistic: any day now. On the dark side: its...

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by yeogeo
Thu May 21, 2020 6:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 831
Views: 115119

Re: Chicago Aviation Thread - 2020

New ORD FAA chart came out today (May 21). I've got the previous chart on the left and the newly published one on the right for easier comparison. https://i.postimg.cc/TPKQsc0n/Screen-Shot-2020-05-21-at-7-47-26-AM.png These charts are all marked up in pink to show changes, much of which is indicatin...

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