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by clemsonaj
Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:49 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Most Times You've Flown On The Same Plane As A Pax
Replies: 38
Views: 5344

RE: Most Times You've Flown On The Same Plane As A

For someone with 125 logged flights as a passenger, I've managed to double up on a few. Especially considering many of them have been on <acronym title="Delta Air Lines (USA)">DL</acronym>. Interestingly, I flew to <acronym title="Alajuela (San Jose) - Juan Santamaria International (SJO / MROC), Cos...

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by clemsonaj
Thu Jan 15, 2015 10:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015
Replies: 102
Views: 21577

RE: DL 717s To West Coast - June 2015

Will be great to see a different type here in Oregon. Looking forward to taking a 717 down to LAX!

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by clemsonaj
Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B6: PDX-ANC
Replies: 56
Views: 8899

RE: B6: PDX-ANC

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/787pdx" class="quote" target="_blank">787pdx</a> (<a href="#29" class="quote">Reply 29</a>):<br/><i><acronym title="JetBlue Airways (USA)">B6</a...

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by clemsonaj
Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)
Replies: 62
Views: 12609

RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

I may have missed it, but when do these go on sale?

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by clemsonaj
Tue Sep 09, 2014 7:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)
Replies: 62
Views: 12609

RE: Icelandair Announces Portland(PDX)

This is awesome! Having just moved to Oregon State for a job this is welcome news. I'm looking forward to pricing out a trip to Iceland now!

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by clemsonaj
Thu Jul 10, 2014 2:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 50th Anniversary Of UA Flight 823
Replies: 7
Views: 3417

50th Anniversary Of UA Flight 823

Below is an article from my hometown newspaper on the 50th anniversary of the crash of <acronym title="United Airlines (USA)">UA</acronym> 823 enroute from <acronym title="Washington - Ronald Reagan National (DCA / KDCA), USA - Virginia">DCA</acronym>-<acronym title="Knoxville - McGhee Tyson (TYS / ...

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by clemsonaj
Thu Jul 03, 2014 6:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The DL 717 Destination Thread
Replies: 59
Views: 7409

RE: The DL 717 Destination Thread

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/stxbohn" class="quote" target="_blank">stxbohn</a> (<a href="#31" class="quote">Reply 31</a>):<br/><i>I just kinda laugh at how Citrus had the 7...

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by clemsonaj
Thu Jul 03, 2014 3:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The DL 717 Destination Thread
Replies: 59
Views: 7409

RE: The DL 717 Destination Thread

DL is currently running 4x <acronym title="Atlanta - Hartsfield-Jackson Int (The William B Hartsfield / Municipal / Candler Field) (ATL / KATL), USA - Georgia">ATL</acronym>-<acronym title="Greer - Greenville-Spartanburg International (GSP / KGSP), USA - South Carolina">GSP</acronym> and what doesn'...

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by clemsonaj
Fri Jun 27, 2014 6:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Automated Passport Control Rollout
Replies: 40
Views: 7424

RE: Delta Automated Passport Control Rollout

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Braniff747SP" class="quote" target="_blank">Braniff747SP</a> (<a href="#31" class="quote">Reply 31</a>):<br/><i>Went very fast--I was very impre...

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by clemsonaj
Thu Oct 31, 2013 4:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL Emergency Landing In CDB
Replies: 52
Views: 20341

RE: DL Emergency Landing In CDB

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/BoeingMerica" class="quote" target="_blank">BoeingMerica</a> (<a href="#29" class="quote">Reply 29</a>):<br/><i>Wait 69....people? The whole tow...

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by clemsonaj
Thu Aug 01, 2013 6:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Unusual 787 Destination
Replies: 19
Views: 18416

RE: Unusual 787 Destination

I really have to stay on top of this in the future. Been wanting some pics of the 788 and <acronym title="Greer - Greenville-Spartanburg International (GSP / KGSP), USA - South Carolina">GSP</acronym> is my local airport. Is this primarily a secondary stop or will Boeing be using <acronym title="Gre...

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by clemsonaj
Wed Jul 10, 2013 1:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UAL 787 Cancellation Rate Outstrips Rest Of Fleet
Replies: 38
Views: 20859

RE: UAL 787 Cancellation Rate Outstrips Rest Of Fleet

Is this a problem being experienced by the other operators as well? Or is this unique to UA? Since the majority of the other operators are not based in the USA, I'm guessing the data is not as readily available.

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by clemsonaj
Mon Jul 01, 2013 2:07 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: What Is Your Favorite Roller Coaster? Where?
Replies: 18
Views: 3053

RE: What Is Your Favorite Roller Coaster? Where?

Wild Eagle at Dollywood. Especially if you are in the front. Not the highest or longest coaster in the world, but an amazing ride none-the-less.

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by clemsonaj
Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BREAKING: ATL: 'Explosion' In Shed, ConD Evacuated
Replies: 7
Views: 18667

RE: BREAKING: ATL: 'Explosion' In Shed, ConD Evacuated

Link to a local affiliate
According to the above link it was a maintenance shed on Concourse D.

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by clemsonaj
Tue Jun 11, 2013 1:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: RIC Airport Evacuated
Replies: 2
Views: 2501

RE: RIC Airport Evacuated

Via Flightaware:

"Richmond Intl (KRIC) is currently experiencing all inbound flights being held at their origin until tuesday at 09:45a EDT due to security. "

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by clemsonaj
Tue May 28, 2013 2:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: RUMOR: DL To Order 30 A321 + 10 A330
Replies: 183
Views: 37316

RE: RUMOR: DL To Order 30 A321 + 10 A330

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/DTWPurserBoy" class="quote" target="_blank">DTWPurserBoy</a> (<a href="#175" class="quote">Reply 175</a>):<br/><i>That mad me laugh. I have to r...

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by clemsonaj
Wed May 22, 2013 12:54 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Longest Runway At Sea Level?
Replies: 13
Views: 4470

RE: Longest Runway At Sea Level?

A couple that come to mind are <acronym title="Doha - International (DOH / OTBD), Qatar">DOH</acronym> and the shuttle landing facility in Florida. Edit: On second thought google is wonderful. Here is a list of the longest runways in the world. Shouldn't take too much effort to figure out which ones...

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by clemsonaj
Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:41 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Ever Had An EX That You Currently Hate?
Replies: 48
Views: 4833

RE: Ever Had An EX That You Currently Hate?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/seb146" class="quote" target="_blank">seb146</a> (<a href="#22" class="quote">Reply 22</a>):<br/><i>I don't know what it's like when straights b...

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by clemsonaj
Wed Feb 20, 2013 2:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah
Replies: 56
Views: 22637

RE: Delta DC-9 Off Runway In Savannah

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/n126dl" class="quote" target="_blank">n126dl</a> (<a href="#6" class="quote">Reply 6</a>):<br/><i>Everyone's an armchair expert! They'd be up in...

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by clemsonaj
Fri Feb 08, 2013 11:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL Boeing 717s, Where Are They?
Replies: 40
Views: 15783

RE: DL Boeing 717s, Where Are They?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/atlengineer" class="quote" target="_blank">atlengineer</a> (<a href="#17" class="quote">Reply 17</a>):<br/><i>The numbers you list are not consi...

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by clemsonaj
Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3
Replies: 271
Views: 65109

RE: Bombardier CSeries Update Part 3

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/JoeCanuck" class="quote" target="_blank">JoeCanuck</a> (<a href="#44" class="quote">Reply 44</a>):<br/><i> The 787 battery threads have degraded...

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by clemsonaj
Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Looking To Order 24-30 A320 Or 737s?
Replies: 149
Views: 23524

RE: Delta Looking To Order 24-30 A320 Or 737s?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/yellowtail" class="quote" target="_blank">yellowtail</a> (<a href="#43" class="quote">Reply 43</a>):<br/><i> Not to get off topic but the MD88s ...

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by clemsonaj
Fri Jan 18, 2013 5:43 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Story Of Manti Te'o Dead Girlfriend A Hoax
Replies: 40
Views: 2181

RE: Story Of Manti Te'o Dead Girlfriend A Hoax

I'm going with gay too. To seem legitimate he makes up a dead girlfriend as an excuse for not having a girl around and gets caught in the process.

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by clemsonaj
Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future Of DL Etops Domestic 763s (76P)
Replies: 13
Views: 5223

RE: Future Of DL Etops Domestic 763s (76P)

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/FlyAA757" class="quote" target="_blank">FlyAA757</a> (<a href="#7" class="quote">Reply 7</a>):<br/><i>They would fit perfectly for the current 7...

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by clemsonaj
Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL N311US WFU?
Replies: 3
Views: 1860

RE: DL N311US WFU?

Thanks guys.

Filler:
I flew this airframe last month just prior to it going into storage. Was delayed a couple hours while they worked out some MTC issues.

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by clemsonaj
Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL N311US WFU?
Replies: 3
Views: 1860

DL N311US WFU?

I was just checking on flightaware and noticed that N311US went to Marana a few weeks ago. Has this airframe been retired? If so can anyone comment on the number of hours/cycles she had? For those of you who don't recall this is the same aircraft that suffered a tail strike in <acronym title="OLD: D...

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by clemsonaj
Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Allegiant Announces Purchase Of A320s
Replies: 61
Views: 19405

RE: Allegiant Announces Purchase Of A320s

Awesome news! Congrats to Allegiant! Is there any indication of possible longer routes with these aircraft?

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by clemsonaj
Sat Dec 15, 2012 2:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL Relaunches Scheduled B777 Flights To Europe
Replies: 40
Views: 18675

DL Relaunches Scheduled B777 Flights To Europe

An interesting down-gauge in capacity. Perhaps the A333 is being used to South America instead? Is there more cargo carried on this route during the winter months or is this just a capacity adjustment to allow more seats to go South?

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by clemsonaj
Wed Dec 12, 2012 5:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First UA International B788 Service Arrives
Replies: 7
Views: 15019

RE: First UA International B788 Service Arrives

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/max550" class="quote" target="_blank">max550</a> (<a href="#5" class="quote">Reply 5</a>):<br/><i>EDIT: <acronym title="United Airlines (USA)">U...

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by clemsonaj
Thu Dec 06, 2012 6:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Possible Lower Oil And The Industry
Replies: 10
Views: 2908

RE: Possible Lower Oil And The Industry

<a href="http://etfdailynews.com/2012/12/06/3-forces-set-to-send-oil-prices-soaring/" target="_blank">http://etfdailynews.com/2012/12/06/3...es-set-to-send-oil-prices-soaring/</a> Says the folks forecasting $30 oil are nuts and that it will likely go the other way. I'm inclined to agree. Oil demand ...

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by clemsonaj
Tue Oct 30, 2012 2:35 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Romney Opens Lead In Ohio
Replies: 230
Views: 5200

RE: Romney Opens Lead In Ohio

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/NAV20" class="quote" target="_blank">NAV20</a> (<a href="#35" class="quote">Reply 35</a>):<br/><i>Agree that the rise of mobile phones creates a...

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by clemsonaj
Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:11 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Romney Opens Lead In Ohio
Replies: 230
Views: 5200

RE: Romney Opens Lead In Ohio

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Superfly" class="quote" target="_blank">Superfly</a> (<a href="#33" class="quote">Reply 33</a>):<br/><i>Gallup Survey Finds Mitt Romney Leading ...

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by clemsonaj
Tue Oct 23, 2012 2:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AI Offers 5 772LR For Sale
Replies: 122
Views: 28158

RE: AI Offers 5 772LR For Sale

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/135mech" class="quote" target="_blank">135mech</a> (<a href="#112" class="quote">Reply 112</a>):<br/><i>Was a good thread on this before.</i></f...

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by clemsonaj
Mon Oct 01, 2012 5:06 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Mac IE Problem - Help Apple Geeks!
Replies: 5
Views: 2624

RE: Mac IE Problem - Help Apple Geeks!

I've had luck running firefox and chrome to get around these IE only systems. Most of them recognize one or the other browser in the mac platform. However as stated above it could be that you need to create a virtual machine and use Windows.

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by clemsonaj
Fri Sep 28, 2012 1:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Another Plane Down In Nepal
Replies: 12
Views: 12358

RE: Another Plane Down In Nepal

Yahoo is also reporting the bird strike (vulture).
http://news.yahoo.com/plane-going-ev...-crashes-killing-19-040304213.html

RIP to all aboard.

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by clemsonaj
Fri Sep 21, 2012 6:49 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Romney Releases 2011 Tax Returns
Replies: 113
Views: 4437

Romney Releases 2011 Tax Returns

You know it's a bad week for Romney when he's drawing attention to his tax returns. Something that you haven't noticed is that he avoided taking all the available deductions for his charitable contributions. His effective tax rate should have been closer to 9% for 2011. Instead he chose to pay a lit...

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by clemsonaj
Thu Sep 13, 2012 2:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN CHS-Florida?
Replies: 5
Views: 3457

RE: WN CHS-Florida?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/LV" class="quote" target="_blank">LV</a> (<a href="#3" class="quote">Reply 3</a>):<br/><i>How many people in <acronym title="Charleston - AFB / ...

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by clemsonaj
Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Delta Mainline Saga Continues..
Replies: 65
Views: 22179

RE: The Delta Mainline Saga Continues..

DL seems to be upgauging several other stations for fall as well. When I was searching some fares last night out of <acronym title="Greer - Greenville-Spartanburg International (GSP / KGSP), USA - South Carolina">GSP</acronym> I noticed they are running a mix of 73W, 738, 319, M88, M90, D95, through...

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by clemsonaj
Mon Aug 13, 2012 12:12 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: IPhoto Help
Replies: 8
Views: 1974

RE: IPhoto Help

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Ken777" class="quote" target="_blank">Ken777</a> (<a href="#3" class="quote">Reply 3</a>):<br/><i>One other option is to take the memory card ou...

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by clemsonaj
Thu Jul 19, 2012 5:34 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: The Things That Make Romney Great!
Replies: 157
Views: 7178

RE: The Things That Make Romney Great!

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/DocLightning" class="quote" target="_blank">DocLightning</a> (<a href="#47" class="quote">Reply 47</a>):<br/><i>Are you saying I need to lead on...

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by clemsonaj
Wed Jun 27, 2012 7:23 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Pride Month
Replies: 31
Views: 2775

RE: Pride Month

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/DocLightning" class="quote" target="_blank">DocLightning</a> (<a href="#6" class="quote">Reply 6</a>):<br/><i>I'd rather be at the beach with my...

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by clemsonaj
Thu May 17, 2012 2:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest CHS Performance?
Replies: 11
Views: 3294

Southwest CHS Performance?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/GSPSPOT" class="quote" target="_blank">GSPSPOT</a> (<a href="#3" class="quote">Reply 3</a>):<br/><i> The <acronym title="Greer - Greenville-Spar...

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by clemsonaj
Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Reports Q1 2012 Results
Replies: 15
Views: 8926

RE: Delta Reports Q1 2012 Results

Anyone catch the first part of the conference call? I have tuned in during the Q&A section.

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by clemsonaj
Thu Mar 22, 2012 9:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Latest 717 Rumor: DL Deal In Place Part 1
Replies: 269
Views: 48820

Latest 717 Rumor: DL Deal In Place Part 1

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/seabosdca" class="quote" target="_blank">seabosdca</a> (<a href="#211" class="quote">Reply 211</a>):<br/><i>I'm starting to get suspicious of th...

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by clemsonaj
Mon Mar 12, 2012 1:11 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Self-Pic Thread March 2012
Replies: 35
Views: 6278

RE: Self-Pic Thread March 2012



Me on the ramparts of Jerusalem's Old City.

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by clemsonaj
Fri Feb 03, 2012 6:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Comprehensive Delta Fleet Updates
Replies: 262
Views: 35246

RE: Comprehensive Delta Fleet Updates

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/burnsie28" class="quote" target="_blank">burnsie28</a> (<a href="#184" class="quote">Reply 184</a>):<br/><i>It is now showing in the schedule to...

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by clemsonaj
Wed Dec 07, 2011 3:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 12/8/2011:AA/DL/F9/NK/UA
Replies: 31
Views: 9573

RE: OAG Changes 12/8/2011:AA/DL/F9/NK/UA

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/enilria" class="quote" target="_blank">enilria</a> (<a href="#0" class="quote">Thread starter</a>):<br/><i>*DL <acronym title="Atlanta - Hartsfi...

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by clemsonaj
Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:01 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Self-Pic Thread December 2011
Replies: 68
Views: 10536

RE: Self-Pic Thread December 2011

<center><table align="center" border="0" width="434" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tr><td><a href="/uf/view.file?id=106992&filename=phpUm6lJ1.jpeg" target="_blank"><img src="http://cdn-www.airliners.net/uf/106992/phpUm6lJ1.jpeg" width="432" height="324" border="0"/></a></td></tr></table><tabl...

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by clemsonaj
Sun Nov 13, 2011 3:47 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: DL 1722 Reg Request 11/12/11
Replies: 1
Views: 4035

DL 1722 Reg Request 11/12/11

Can anyone tell me what ship operated <acronym title="Delta Air Lines (USA)">DL</acronym> 1722 (<acronym title="Detroit - Metropolitan Wayne County (DTW / KDTW), USA - Michigan">DTW</acronym>-<acronym title="Boston - General Edward Lawrence Logan International (BOS / KBOS), USA - Massachusetts">BOS<...

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by clemsonaj
Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:23 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Do You Have A College Degree?
Replies: 131
Views: 4279

RE: Do You Have A College Degree?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/canoecarrier" class="quote" target="_blank">canoecarrier</a> (<a href="#83" class="quote">Reply 83</a>):<br/><i>Interesting. Like what to plant ...

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