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by ContinentalEWR
Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1338
Views: 336412

Re: United Airlines Network Thread - 2022

I'd like to give credit to the excellent controllers and traffic managers working EWR traffic at EWR ATCT, N90, ZNY, ZOB, ZDC, and ZBW. The bad situation in EWR is made better by the best controllers in the business, bar none. The biggest problem, as I see it, lies with FAA management that refuses ...

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by ContinentalEWR
Fri Jun 24, 2022 11:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1338
Views: 336412

Re: United Airlines Network Thread - 2022

I'd like to give credit to the excellent controllers and traffic managers working EWR traffic at EWR ATCT, N90, ZNY, ZOB, ZDC, and ZBW. The bad situation in EWR is made better by the best controllers in the business, bar none. The biggest problem, as I see it, lies with FAA management that refuses ...

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by ContinentalEWR
Thu Jun 23, 2022 3:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Old TWA documentary re-released in high quaity
Replies: 16
Views: 3090

Re: Old TWA documentary re-released in high quaity

Compton's comments about the fleet in 2004, 2005, etc...was likely comments clipped from the airline's prior plane purchases and leases (757s, 717s mainly). TWA also had a bunch of A318s on order (which probably would have been converted to other A320 family members with the A318 engine troubles/de...

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by ContinentalEWR
Thu Jun 23, 2022 11:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Old TWA documentary re-released in high quaity
Replies: 16
Views: 3090

Re: Old TWA documentary re-released in high quaity

When the CEO mentioned how the fleet may look in 2004, 2005, and 2007, was the merger with AA already planned? Replace merger in your question with bankruptcy and you will find your answer. Meaning, they never planned on merging, and to be honest they were absorbed/taken over not merged. It wasn't ...

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by ContinentalEWR
Thu Jun 23, 2022 10:47 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Tim Clark: A350-1000 too small to be largest Airbus offering
Replies: 146
Views: 23100

Re: Tim Clark: A350-1000 too small to be largest Airbus offering

The A380 works for Emirates, but it doesn't work for any other airline, except for maybe BA, when LHR is at full capacity. The era of VLA is largely over and I just don't see Airbus or Boeing coming up with a plane that will help EK replace its A380s one day on a capacity for capacity basis. High fu...

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by ContinentalEWR
Thu Jun 23, 2022 1:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Old TWA documentary re-released in high quaity
Replies: 16
Views: 3090

Re: Old TWA documentary re-released in high quaity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruoVjAx1W9s&ab_channel=NinePBS This was originally produced back in 2001, but I've never seen this documentary before. It's pretty informative. Thanks so much for posting this. The quality is quite good, given it is 21 years old and really tells the story in many...

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by ContinentalEWR
Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1338
Views: 336412

Re: United Airlines Network Thread - 2022

Kirby sure is determined to rebuild JFK, and what he views as a big strategic mistake made by a previous management team. UA's JFK exit under Smisek was foolish and short-sighted and one of the hallmarks of the mismanagement United was under at the time. It's unlikely UA will ever really grow JFK b...

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by ContinentalEWR
Wed Jun 22, 2022 12:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1338
Views: 336412

Re: United Airlines Network Thread - 2022

Kirby wants more JFK slots, to grow transcon frequencies to LAX and SFO. Will a B6-NK deal produce some opportunities for this as the reporter suggests? Kirby sure is determined to rebuild JFK, and what he views as a big strategic mistake made by a previous management team. UA's JFK exit under Smis...

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by ContinentalEWR
Tue Jun 21, 2022 9:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: End of AA LuxuryLiner and LuxuryJet
Replies: 32
Views: 5127

Re: End of AA LuxuryLiner and LuxuryJet

When did AA remove LuxuryLiner and LuxuryJet from its aircraft? Eastern used Whisperliner and Whisperjet. Who was first to brand their aircraft? Was one in response to the other’s use or were they rolled out independently? That was pretty common in the industry decades ago. Allegheny called their n...

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by ContinentalEWR
Sun Jun 19, 2022 1:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JAT DC-10 at JFK in the 80s
Replies: 26
Views: 4478

Re: JAT DC-10 at JFK in the 80s

I remember watching those JAT DC10s up close at JFK T2. I do too, but I thought they used the Pan Am Worldport (T3) at JFK? I remember seeing them in CLE around 1990 as well, as JAT operated into CLE once or twice a week during parts of the year, through YYZ, ORD, or JFK (I don't remember the routi...

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by ContinentalEWR
Thu Jun 16, 2022 2:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What is AA currently doing in Asia?
Replies: 98
Views: 16471

Re: What is AA currently doing in Asia?

Instead of going into LAX where they are obviously failing, maybe they should try PHL-NRT/HND where they would have ZERO (direct) competition. Despite this being talked about for the past ten years, they just do not want to seem to try it. But why? NRT/HND isn't a gold mine. True, AA has JL to lean...

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by ContinentalEWR
Thu Jun 16, 2022 10:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What is AA currently doing in Asia?
Replies: 98
Views: 16471

Re: What is AA currently doing in Asia?

Instead of going into LAX where they are obviously failing, maybe they should try PHL-NRT/HND where they would have ZERO (direct) competition. Despite this being talked about for the past ten years, they just do not want to seem to try it. But why? NRT/HND isn't a gold mine. True, AA has JL to lean...

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by ContinentalEWR
Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1387
Views: 258228

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

American is the #2 carrier at AUS behind WN and growing very fast. AUS-IAD is an oddball route for AA, given that it has a hub at DCA, though a lot of tech is located in the DC suburbs around Virginia and IAD but perhaps not enough demand for corporate traffic. AA is operating AUS-IAD nonstop servi...

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by ContinentalEWR
Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What is AA currently doing in Asia?
Replies: 98
Views: 16471

Re: What is AA currently doing in Asia?

There’s nowhere to fly to in Asia. They’re all stuck in Covid delusion. Nothing to discuss for the foreseeable. Just one correction, Sydney was lumped in but Australia is pretty much open albeit with some testing restrictions. There are plenty of open countries such as the Philippines, Indonesia, a...

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by ContinentalEWR
Wed Jun 15, 2022 7:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What is AA currently doing in Asia?
Replies: 98
Views: 16471

Re: What is AA currently doing in Asia?

cedarjet wrote:
There’s nowhere to fly to in Asia. They’re all stuck in Covid delusion. Nothing to discuss for the foreseeable. Just one correction, Sydney was lumped in but Australia is pretty much open albeit with some testing restrictions.


AA suspended LAX-SYD until October.

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by ContinentalEWR
Wed Jun 15, 2022 2:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1387
Views: 258228

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

AUS-IAD seems to have been permanently removed from AA schedule. There was a lot of hullabaloo when that route was first announced. Is the AUS focus city being dismantled now that times are relatively more normal? I know there was speculation yields were low. American is the #2 carrier at AUS behin...

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by ContinentalEWR
Sun Jun 12, 2022 9:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1387
Views: 258228

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

I can't speak for their operation at LGA, but I am under the impression that thanks to a focus on product that better serves the market (retirement of 763s/752s, only serving JFK long-haul with 777s, etc.), combined with a focus on their core-markets (LHR, Spain, LatAm), that AA at JFK can be profi...

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by ContinentalEWR
Sat Jun 11, 2022 8:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1387
Views: 258228

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

https://www.marketscreener.com/amp/quote/stock/AMERICAN-AIRLINES-GROUP-I-15171667/news/JPMorgan-sees-growing-probability-of-a-Spirit-JetBlue-deal-40696805/ “The JPMorgan analysts said JetBlue would be willing to trade away the NEA partnership for a merger with Spirit.” If this is the case I really ...

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by ContinentalEWR
Thu Jun 09, 2022 8:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1387
Views: 258228

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

It is coming. They have already had it in the schedule for PHL - KEF/SNN during COVID before they decided not to operate those routes. They just sell the F cabin as Premium Economy not Business. Those were 757 operated routes, not 321NEOs. Could they do it? Sure. Will they? It's questionable. KEF i...

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by ContinentalEWR
Wed Jun 08, 2022 3:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1387
Views: 258228

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

With delays for both the 787 and 321XLR, any chance we could see the 321neo on short trans atlantic flights? I would assume it'd be capable of flying from primarily JFK to places like SNN, BFS, DUB, BHX, MAN, GLA, EDI, LIS, PDL, OPO, KEF. Some of those might be a stretch in range/market size but on...

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by ContinentalEWR
Wed Jun 08, 2022 4:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1387
Views: 258228

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

With delays for both the 787 and 321XLR, any chance we could see the 321neo on short trans atlantic flights? I would assume it'd be capable of flying from primarily JFK to places like SNN, BFS, DUB, BHX, MAN, GLA, EDI, LIS, PDL, OPO, KEF. Some of those might be a stretch in range/market size but on...

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by ContinentalEWR
Wed Jun 08, 2022 4:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1338
Views: 336412

Re: United Airlines Network Thread - 2022

SCFlyer wrote:
I wonder where the 789 is coming from for the BNE flights? Europe? Possibly SYD-IAH?


Should not be an issue. Lots of Asia is pulled down and seasonal Europe ends at that time.

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by ContinentalEWR
Mon Jun 06, 2022 7:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1387
Views: 258228

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

I love these types of discussions. HAM is a possibility but Germany has always been a tough market for AA. I think HAM was served from JFK in the late 80s or early 90s. I might be wrong though. I wonder if they would try TXL again. It would be nice to see ORD get more international service. I would...

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by ContinentalEWR
Sun Jun 05, 2022 5:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1387
Views: 258228

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

AA is strong in OneWorld gateway markets and beyond in the Pacific: SYD, MEL, AKL, NRT/HND, ICN, HKG, PVG and SIN. PVG/PEK/HKG will resume from SEA/DFW when this Chinese lockdown mess is over as there's lots of CX FF's in PVG/PEK/HKG. OneWorld is KING in HKG. Australia has already opened up and NZ ...

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by ContinentalEWR
Thu Jun 02, 2022 7:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1387
Views: 258228

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

Gary Leff at View From The Wing had an article out a while back where he talked about AA wanting to increase LHR service. He shared a tweet from JonNYC in his article. Apparently AA is looking at adding an additional LHR flight from LAX and MIA. Their is also chatter about AUS-LHR being added. I wo...

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by ContinentalEWR
Sun May 29, 2022 7:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Trans World Flight Center 60 years
Replies: 25
Views: 6982

Re: Trans World Flight Center 60 years

Travelled in and out of it many times in the 1980s as a kid. It was always beautiful, unique, and timeless. Sadly, it wasn't well looked after by TWA in the 1990s but the TWA Hotel refurbishments restored it to its former glory. One of the most amazing experiences was sitting in the lounge before wa...

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by ContinentalEWR
Sun May 29, 2022 5:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1387
Views: 258228

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

As a long time PHX resident I would love to see an Asian flight out of PHX, However i don't see it happening. I remember the HP 747 disaster to Nagoya. I just don't think there is a large market from PHX to NRT or HND. I did a lot of Asia travel in the past and the PHX LAX TYO was not that inconven...

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by ContinentalEWR
Sat May 28, 2022 6:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why does AA not use the B789 on AA293 DEL-JFK to avoid fuel stops?
Replies: 34
Views: 8642

Re: Why does AA not use the B789 on AA293 DEL-JFK to avoid fuel stops?

With all the goings on in the world why does AA want to fly to India, fueling a 77W for 16 hour flights cost lots of dough. Couldn't the planes be better used for an extra frequency to Sao Paulo or Buenos Aires ? Perhaps a daily trip to a European destination. India well flown by Emirates, Qatar, B...

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by ContinentalEWR
Fri May 27, 2022 2:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1387
Views: 258228

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

Today, AA announced some new additions to the NY market, citing the NEA. They include international service.

LGA-TUL
LGA-LIT
LGA-AVL
LGA-EYW
JFK-BDA - This is a return. AA flew JFK-BDA for decades.
JFK-MTY

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by ContinentalEWR
Fri May 27, 2022 2:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why does AA not use the B789 on AA293 DEL-JFK to avoid fuel stops?
Replies: 34
Views: 8642

Re: Why does AA not use the B789 on AA293 DEL-JFK to avoid fuel stops?

JFK not a crew base for the 787 so they'd have to rotate one in from another hub, and ferry crew in for it, raising the chances of irrops and other issues. AA has been pretty firm on making all long haul international out of JFK on the 777 for commonality and operational reasons. There is also some ...

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by ContinentalEWR
Fri May 27, 2022 11:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1387
Views: 258228

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

-I would have thought South America would be strong in the winter. MVD is a very small market with mostly seasonal demand, more so in these pandemic times. Montevideo will be seasonal from October to March. It will run 3 x weekly, except at the peak holiday travel period between mid-December and ea...

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by ContinentalEWR
Fri May 27, 2022 11:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1387
Views: 258228

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

Lots more international route cuts just announced: LAX-AKL moving to DFW DFW to TLV will not launch SEA to BLR will not launch until Summer 2023, citing the war in Ukraine and the issues around airspace. DFW to LIM axed JFK to MDE and CLO both axed, leaving just JFK-BOG on NYC to Colombia nonstops....

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by ContinentalEWR
Fri May 27, 2022 1:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1387
Views: 258228

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

LAX-AKL moving to DFW gave example of widebody build-up at LAX which was "terrible financially" Even with LA being a massive market, think Raja has thrown the towel in on making LAX longhaul work. This summer only route they have is LHR. Even HND and SYD with JV partners on the other end ...

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by ContinentalEWR
Fri May 27, 2022 1:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1387
Views: 258228

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

Lots more international route cuts just announced: LAX-AKL moving to DFW DFW to TLV will not launch SEA to BLR will not launch until Summer 2023, citing the war in Ukraine and the issues around airspace. DFW to LIM axed JFK to MDE and CLO both axed, leaving just JFK-BOG on NYC to Colombia nonstops....

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by ContinentalEWR
Fri May 27, 2022 1:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1387
Views: 258228

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

LAX-AKL moving to DFW gave example of widebody build-up at LAX which was "terrible financially" Even with LA being a massive market, think Raja has thrown the towel in on making LAX longhaul work. This summer only route they have is LHR. Even HND and SYD with JV partners on the other end ...

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by ContinentalEWR
Thu May 26, 2022 6:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1387
Views: 258228

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

Lots more international route cuts just announced: LAX-AKL moving to DFW DFW to TLV will not launch SEA to BLR will not launch until Summer 2023, citing the war in Ukraine and the issues around airspace. DFW to LIM axed JFK to MDE and CLO both axed, leaving just JFK-BOG on NYC to Colombia nonstops....

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by ContinentalEWR
Thu May 26, 2022 6:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1387
Views: 258228

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

Lots more international route cuts just announced: LAX-AKL moving to DFW DFW to TLV will not launch SEA to BLR will not launch until Summer 2023, citing the war in Ukraine and the issues around airspace. DFW to LIM axed JFK to MDE and CLO both axed, leaving just JFK-BOG on NYC to Colombia nonstops. ...

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by ContinentalEWR
Thu May 26, 2022 4:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Raleigh / Durham Aviation Thread - 2022
Replies: 131
Views: 20215

Re: Raleigh / Durham Aviation Thread - 2022

Some good restarts and new flights coming up in the next few days. Traffic numbers are looking great. Both Montreal and alone returns within the next 2 weeks. Would be nice if DL moved up their CDG flight but I guess AA will grab as much of that traffic as they can through LHR. Anyway, seeing a rob...

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by ContinentalEWR
Mon May 23, 2022 5:23 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: AA's Strategy in NYC if NEA is Disbanded?
Replies: 6
Views: 1663

Re: AA's Strategy in NYC if NEA is Disbanded?

Two contrasting points of view: https://www.dallasnews.com/business/airlines/2022/05/02/american-airlines-could-derail-merger-between-jetblue-and-spirit/ https://thepointsguy.com/news/jetblue-spirit-airlines-merger-northeast-alliance/ The B6/AA partnership has been a benefit to AA and enabled it to ...

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by ContinentalEWR
Thu May 19, 2022 8:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why no TW JFK-LGW
Replies: 49
Views: 9325

Re: Why no TW JFK-LGW

This might be a little off topic but does anyone else think that AA paid too much for the TWA LHR routes to BOS, JFK and LAX. I believe they paid 445 million. I think UA paid 290 million for PA’s LHR routes to JFK, IAD, LAX, SFO and SEA (might be missing one). I never flew TWA since I was just a li...

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by ContinentalEWR
Thu May 19, 2022 6:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why no TW JFK-LGW
Replies: 49
Views: 9325

Re: Why no TW JFK-LGW

All those cities you mentioned were indeed big TW cities. And in the late 1980s (88 I think?), TWA carried over HALF of the world's trans-Atlantic passengers. But you need to remember though that TWA's routemap in 2001 was a SHELL of what it was like in its heyday. The 90s were a sad, long decline ...

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by ContinentalEWR
Thu May 19, 2022 6:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why no TW JFK-LGW
Replies: 49
Views: 9325

Re: Why no TW JFK-LGW

I am so surprised to see that TW only London service in 2000, before the AA merger, was STL-LGW. Why no JFK-LGW service as well? Did another airline fly that route? I know TW sold their LHR routes to AA and others, but why not keep a presence in JFK to LGW? I would think there would be a market. I ...

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by ContinentalEWR
Thu May 19, 2022 1:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why no TW JFK-LGW
Replies: 49
Views: 9325

Re: Why no TW JFK-LGW

Interesting information. I just never realized LGW airport was subject to the bilateral as LHR was. I always thought of it as an easy access airport for carriers, but now I know that was not the case. But now I have another question. TW flew nonstop from JFK to Lisbon, Milan and Paris, but no Madri...

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by ContinentalEWR
Thu May 19, 2022 1:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why no TW JFK-LGW
Replies: 49
Views: 9325

Re: Why no TW JFK-LGW

Dubai was basically nothing in 2000 in world terms (it had ~25% of its current population, and some photos here https://traveltriangle.com/blog/history-of-dubai/ will give you an idea). I remember Dubai in 1992. Compared to what it is today, It was a sandbox with growing potential. Considering that...

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by ContinentalEWR
Thu May 19, 2022 11:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why no TW JFK-LGW
Replies: 49
Views: 9325

Re: Why no TW JFK-LGW

I am so surprised to see that TW only London service in 2000, before the AA merger, was STL-LGW. Why no JFK-LGW service as well? Did another airline fly that route? I know TW sold their LHR routes to AA and others, but why not keep a presence in JFK to LGW? I would think there would be a market. I ...

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by ContinentalEWR
Thu May 19, 2022 1:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why no TW JFK-LGW
Replies: 49
Views: 9325

Re: Why no TW JFK-LGW

One other fun fact is that TWA briefly operated a daylight service from JFK to CDG on an L1011. It lasted just a few months. It was in the 1980s and I don't remember when. In terms of frequencies, LHR had up to 3 flights a day from JFK (TWA 702, 700, 708), CDG had up to 2 (TW 804 and TW 700), FCO at...

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by ContinentalEWR
Thu May 19, 2022 12:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why no TW JFK-LGW
Replies: 49
Views: 9325

Re: Why no TW JFK-LGW

Interesting information. I just never realized LGW airport was subject to the bilateral as LHR was. I always thought of it as an easy access airport for carriers, but now I know that was not the case. But now I have another question. TW flew nonstop from JFK to Lisbon, Milan and Paris, but no Madri...

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by ContinentalEWR
Thu May 19, 2022 12:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why no TW JFK-LGW
Replies: 49
Views: 9325

Re: Why no TW JFK-LGW

Not quite related to the topic author's question, but I believe TWA did fly from JFK to LGW, alongside the JFK-LHR service it operated, in the mid-1980s. Believe the LGW route was flown with an L1011 and it didn't last long. Another odd-ball TWA route was an additional frequency operated to LHR with...

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by ContinentalEWR
Wed May 18, 2022 3:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1387
Views: 258228

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

Oh most definitely, but just saying AA was willing to throw an older 763 on that route to see what would happen. Clearly shortsighted in that decision, but the XLR will naturally minimize the risk with less seats to fill on a more efficient aircraft. The XLR is, on paper, the more suitable plane fo...

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by ContinentalEWR
Wed May 18, 2022 2:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1387
Views: 258228

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

I wouldn't be surprised to see AA go for southern Italy with split NAP/PMO or NAP/CTA. Huge Italian-American base in the PHL area plus major spotlight on that region which could fill an 321XLR with ease. AA experimented with BLQ in 2019 so once the XLR fleet is actually delivered and in service, I'...

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