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by Revelation
Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR
Replies: 189
Views: 19701

Re: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR

If you folks look at that graph and then don't see the impossibility of a 4000-5000 nm 787 equivalent ever making sense for Boeing then there is little point this conversation continuing. Nonsense, it's not a "787 equivalent". In numbers: o NMA-6X: 225 passengers at 5,000nm o NMA-7X: 265 ...

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by Revelation
Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread
Replies: 221
Views: 57117

Re: Paris Air Show 2019: Boeing News and Orders Thread

No need to invest time into looking. Boeing needed this sale direly and will have given IAG the best deal in history to make it happen . There's nothing Airbus could have done to keep this business without making huge concessions themselves, which given the backlog wouldn't have been worth it. This...

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by Revelation
Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR
Replies: 189
Views: 19701

Re: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR

Why would an airline buy a 767 size plane when they can operate a 787/A330 for little additional charge on the extra seats? Isn't that the argument we always make when airlines buy 789's instead of 788's, or A339's instead of A338's? Because it's not about "size", it's about payload-range...

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by Revelation
Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IAG sign LOI for 200 B737 Max
Replies: 168
Views: 18092

Re: IAG sign LOI for 200 B737 Max

par13del wrote:
Why do we believe that BA will be an end user, since IAG has a group of airlines under its belt, could BA be outsourcing their short haul ops?

Because WW himself told us that BA will operate 737s from LGW.

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by Revelation
Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3059
Views: 303504

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-18/boeing-s-mea-culpa-wins-over-operator-of-crashed-ethiopian-jet One wonders what Boeing have said to Ethiopian such that they are BFFs again suddenly? It should not be hard to see their most important interests are in alignment. FYI the key quote wa...

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by Revelation
Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR
Replies: 189
Views: 19701

Re: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR

Plenty of room in the middle for the NMA, particularly compared to the only 2 current Boeing offerings on that chart (the MAX 10 and the 788), and a not insignificant margin above the A321XLR. https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/paris-boeing-low-key-on-nma-but-more-details-emerg-459055/ has ...

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by Revelation
Tue Jun 18, 2019 9:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IAG sign LOI for 200 B737 Max
Replies: 168
Views: 18092

Re: IAG sign LOI for 200 B737 Max

Am I being silly in thinking.. These can’t go to BA at Heathrow as they can’t take containers? Why are people so obsessed by containers on single aisle aircraft. Get over it. Does Ryanair have issues with containers? Do you know how expensive it is to carry a lot of baggage in Europe? Damn! Please ...

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by Revelation
Tue Jun 18, 2019 7:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR
Replies: 189
Views: 19701

Re: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR

How so ? If memory serves me right, 787-3 was more efficient upto 250-350nm, after that it was a wash. Also, 787-3 was cancelled around 2010 and just before A320neo family announcement. If anything, the window became narrower with the A321neo and now the XLR. Most of the 767s around the world were ...

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by Revelation
Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3059
Views: 303504

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

Looks like MAX will be fine after the IAG announcement. That's an extremely premature statement, IMO. Yet I've said on this thread a few times now that one year from now this will all be a fading memory, and I stand by that. Let's see the FAA take its long awaited test flight with Boeing and have s...

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by Revelation
Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IAG sign LOI for 200 B737 Max
Replies: 168
Views: 18092

Re: IAG sign LOI for 200 B737 Max

And switches to CFM. No, they already have LEAPs along with GTFs: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/picture-ba-puts-first-a320neo-into-service-447716/ says: IAG selected Leap-1A engines for 55 aircraft – the BA and Iberia fleet – but chose the Pratt & Whitney PW1100G for 47 A320neos fo...

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by Revelation
Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3059
Views: 303504

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

Looks like MAX will be fine after the IAG announcement. That's an extremely premature statement, IMO. Yet I've said on this thread a few times now that one year from now this will all be a fading memory, and I stand by that. Let's see the FAA take its long awaited test flight with Boeing and have s...

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by Revelation
Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IAG sign LOI for 200 B737 Max
Replies: 168
Views: 18092

Re: IAG sign LOI for 200 B737 Max

Absolutely stunning!!!!! This is as big as when ordered American A320s.. IAG must have gotten a Ryanair type deal. Yes it’s got to be the best bargain since O’leary’s Post 9/11 deal. IAG probably got to name its own price I had a similar reaction. I bet MOL now regrets some of the vulgar comments h...

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by Revelation
Tue Jun 18, 2019 4:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3059
Views: 303504

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

That's a damn shame, Muilenburg wasn't the CEO when the MAX was designed or launched. I have great faith in the man, he's a Boeing lifetime employee, engineer and seems very level-headed. Right now, Boeing needs a man like Muilenburg and does not need to start sacrificing scapegoats to please real ...

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by Revelation
Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France delays A380 cabin refit; future of fleet under study
Replies: 60
Views: 7988

Re: Air France delays A380 cabin refit; future of fleet under study

I fully expect A380 values to crater once it becomes clear that growing number of frames are headed for parking. BA might yet still get its chance ... AF's chance is even better, it has five frames already with its choice of engines and many elements of its preferred config in house already, along ...

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by Revelation
Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR
Replies: 189
Views: 19701

Re: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR

Boeing themselves discarded 787-3 as the operations cost difference wasn't worth the development cost. It was a lot more complicated decision than "the operations cost difference wasn't worth the development cost". Keep in mind the market of the early 2000s is different than the market of...

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by Revelation
Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR
Replies: 189
Views: 19701

Re: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR

what Airbus could do with an XLR was a fairly open secret and there was zero chance of Airbus launching a clean sheet design at all ..... so nothing has changed aside of the first orders in the segment being placed ... It's interesting how this fact can be read two ways, either Boeing keeps talking...

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by Revelation
Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3059
Views: 303504

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

Why shouldn't he go. Under his watch Boeing can't make 737s, 767s, 777s, so has become a one horse disaster. And as I before have mentioned, Boeing doesn't like its mechanics, engineers, home state despite billions in illegal tax abatements, and now apparently the airlines who used to buy its plane...

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by Revelation
Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR
Replies: 189
Views: 19701

Re: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR

Boeing are still many billions in the hole for deferred costs on the 767 replacement. Why would they make another? 787 originally was going to be a true 767 replacement, but airlines wanted a bigger plane, so Boeing up sized it into a A330 replacement and beyond with 9x seating. There is room for N...

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by Revelation
Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR
Replies: 189
Views: 19701

Re: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR

You're gonna shank the same people who you want to buy the NSA when you kill the MAX. Great plan! It's one thing to make mistakes on MAX, it's a totally different thing to intentionally shiv your customer base. It'd null out any money they've already put into the MAX, throw them onto Airbus's tende...

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by Revelation
Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR
Replies: 189
Views: 19701

Re: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR

Meanwhile we read: United Airlines continues to evaluate the newly launched Airbus A321XLR for its middle-of-the-market needs, but does not see the aircraft as a full solution to the gap in its fleet. " The XLR doesn't solve the [Boeing] 767 replacement issue ," Gerry Laderman, the US carr...

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by Revelation
Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR
Replies: 189
Views: 19701

Re: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR

NMA will not be to the A321XLR what the 787 is to the A330. There's a fundamental difference, and it is the one I describe above. There will be a lot of cases where there are barriers to entry for NMA that the A321XLR just will not face because it is basically another A321 . Airbus at one point tho...

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by Revelation
Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR
Replies: 189
Views: 19701

Re: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR

Sure. But are you willing to bet a $20B on a cleansheet NMA design that I'm wrong? That's the question Boeing has to ask. And I wouldn't make that bet. From what we read from the rumblings at PAS, yes, Boeing is still on the road to a clean sheet NMA. The opportunity is for NMA to be to A321XLR wha...

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by Revelation
Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR
Replies: 189
Views: 19701

Re: Business Risk for Boeing: The A321XLR

The short answer is "not better enough". The A321XLR will already get pretty good "gas mileage" so to speak. Sure, a NMA made with the latest composites and cleansheet aero would get better fuel economy (especially given the higher capacity). But not that much given the signific...

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by Revelation
Sat Jun 15, 2019 12:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did yesterdays (6/13) DL185 divert to ANC!?
Replies: 3
Views: 1391

Re: Why did yesterdays (6/13) DL185 divert to ANC!?

Depending on the Siberian routing, there’s several Russian airports designated and capable of handling a diversion. It’s required for many flights as ETOPS. Petropavlovsk, Magadan, and Khabarovsk come to mind. Been to all and good airports and facilities. Avoid the dodgy seafood dinners. ... and th...

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by Revelation
Fri Jun 14, 2019 10:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FG: How are the all-new Airbus (A350) and Boeing (787) widebodies faring?
Replies: 95
Views: 12619

Re: FG: How are the all-new Airbus (A350) and Boeing (787) widebodies faring?

Ideally we would not rat hole on engine selection, but it seems to strike a nerve. Interesting that every time the lack of engine choice was brought up in all the numerous 737-A320 threads, it was shot down because it doesn't matter much, but suddenly it's "oh we don't know, it could be better ...

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by Revelation
Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FG: How are the all-new Airbus (A350) and Boeing (787) widebodies faring?
Replies: 95
Views: 12619

Re: FG: How are the all-new Airbus (A350) and Boeing (787) widebodies faring?

Interesting that every time the lack of engine choice was brought up in all the numerous 737-A320 threads, it was shot down because it doesn't matter much, but suddenly it's "oh we don't know, it could be better with two". Some consistency would be nice, to at least mask an agenda. Sure, ...

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by Revelation
Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FG: How are the all-new Airbus (A350) and Boeing (787) widebodies faring?
Replies: 95
Views: 12619

Re: FG: How are the all-new Airbus (A350) and Boeing (787) widebodies faring?

musman9853 wrote:
it's probably because the 787 is the smaller plane. the trend has been clear towards the smallest plane that can efficiently complete the route. being bigger has its challenges

Yes, I was thinking the same thing when I wrote my comment about 787-10 potentially undermining A359.

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by Revelation
Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FG: How are the all-new Airbus (A350) and Boeing (787) widebodies faring?
Replies: 95
Views: 12619

Re: FG: How are the all-new Airbus (A350) and Boeing (787) widebodies faring?

socko wrote:
I have to admit I thought it said “farting” need to get glasses hahaha, have a good day everyone

If this was an article about Tesla you might have been correct! :biggrin:

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by Revelation
Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FG: How are the all-new Airbus (A350) and Boeing (787) widebodies faring?
Replies: 95
Views: 12619

Re: FG: How are the all-new Airbus (A350) and Boeing (787) widebodies faring?

yet I also think airlines really do like having two different engine vendors competing for their business so 787 has an important commercial advantage that A350 lacks. Can you cite a single example of a sales campaign lost on the basis of a lack of engine choice? No, but that doesn't mean it doesn'...

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by Revelation
Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FG: How are the all-new Airbus (A350) and Boeing (787) widebodies faring?
Replies: 95
Views: 12619

Re: FG: How are the all-new Airbus (A350) and Boeing (787) widebodies faring?

A350 only had 1 delivery in 2014 and it took its time after that A lot of airlines that are under Boeing spell from a long past ordered 787. JAL had to apologize for ordering A350, so 787 is definitely more ordered and produced but the victory is temporary and pyrhic.I believe A350 has a larger gro...

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by Revelation
Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First 777-9 for Lufthansa rolls out of final assembly
Replies: 38
Views: 11407

Re: First 777-9 for Lufthansa rolls out of final assembly

Oh well, regardless of the livery squabbles, anyone who thought they'd never see a LH 777 is now proven wrong. Was that really necessary? An artist is never appreciated in their lifetime. Oh well, regardless of the livery squabbles, anyone who thought they'd never see a LH 777 is now proven wrong. ...

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by Revelation
Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FG: How are the all-new Airbus (A350) and Boeing (787) widebodies faring?
Replies: 95
Views: 12619

Re: FG: How are the all-new Airbus (A350) and Boeing (787) widebodies faring?

Airbus and Boeing know what they are doing , the frames are slotted in-between each other. I wouldn't say it's an exact science. The original A350 Mk1 was the same size as A330 and thus 787, but after it lost competitions to 787 at AC and QF, Airbus decided it had to make it Xtra Wide and a clean s...

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by Revelation
Fri Jun 14, 2019 7:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FG: How are the all-new Airbus (A350) and Boeing (787) widebodies faring?
Replies: 95
Views: 12619

FG: How are the all-new Airbus (A350) and Boeing (787) widebodies faring?

New article from FG at https://www.flightglobal.com/news/articles/how-are-the-all-new-airbus-and-boeing-widebodies-far-458314/ compares A350 vs 787. It seems a bit reluctant to reach any conclusions, but it does provide some interesting graphs normalized by first year of delivery/orderability. First...

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by Revelation
Fri Jun 14, 2019 4:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?
Replies: 257
Views: 48076

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

- airlines refused to put money on the table for an oval WB at NB costs Baloney, they were never given the opportunity. DL's CEO has already offered to be the NMA launch customer and very well might end up being so. Marketplace is always changing. But in terms of how to respond, Boeing’s dilemma ha...

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by Revelation
Fri Jun 14, 2019 3:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1327
Views: 225695

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

100%. The penalty of flying that extra fuel for a non stop flight of that distance is greater than the additional one descent and take off fuel required. You mean the burning of fuel to carry extra fuel? Yep I'd agree that the fuel burn is greater but that isn't economics. You need to factor in han...

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by Revelation
Fri Jun 14, 2019 2:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019
Replies: 389
Views: 113745

Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

Cool presentation about GE9x testing at: https://aviationweek.com/pictures-flight-testing-ge9x-worlds-largest-engine My favorite part: https://d3cdtxx03omvla.cloudfront.net/41375675_1560165816343.jpg The power of the single GE9X is such that for certain slower-speed test conditions, the big engine a...

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by Revelation
Fri Jun 14, 2019 1:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3059
Views: 303504

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

IF the FAA deemed the 737 Max too unstable to be used as a passenger aircraft and requested Boeing to come with a solution that later became the MCAS, It did not go down that way. Boeing itself found the issue in simulation. FAA did not request a solution, but of course it had baseline rules regard...

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by Revelation
Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3059
Views: 303504

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

Perhaps the Paris Air Show will have Boeing make announcements of a tentative schedule for RTS for the 737MAX. Almost certainly not. I just posted a statement yesterday from an FAA spokesman saying they will not put a timeline on the return to service. Boeing almost certainly would not risk damagin...

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by Revelation
Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO
Replies: 453
Views: 42151

Re: A380 was success for Airbus, says new CEO

I haven't seen any evidence demonstrating that the UK loans are fundamentally different from the other RLIs - which, lest we forget, are defined as *REPAYABLE* Launch Aid! Repayable means 'able to be repaid' so might be repaid but might not be. Deliciously ambiguous. Well done to whatever bureaucra...

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by Revelation
Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First 777-9 for Lufthansa rolls out of final assembly
Replies: 38
Views: 11407

Re: First 777-9 for Lufthansa rolls out of final assembly

Oh well, regardless of the livery squabbles, anyone who thought they'd never see a LH 777 is now proven wrong.

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by Revelation
Fri Jun 14, 2019 12:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?
Replies: 257
Views: 48076

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

None of Boeing’s options is easy. The planemaker has spent years searching for digital production advances that could bring its planned twin-aisle design closer to a single-aisle jet’s costs. While abandoning that effort for a 737 replacement might seem like the right thing to do given the Max back...

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by Revelation
Thu Jun 13, 2019 9:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3059
Views: 303504

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

Presumably, Boeing are delivering frames to storage facilities under experimental / test cover, with test crew (probably a record number of test crew at work). We were told Boeing preferred to move 787 flight test and delivery to KCHS to make more room at KPAE for 737s. Maybe they also felt they ne...

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by Revelation
Thu Jun 13, 2019 8:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3059
Views: 303504

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

I thought WN, UA, and AA have been throwing out dates since this began. What makes this announcement by AA any more definitive? I suppose it is indicative of good information AA has from the FAA . Fine with me, they fixed it which was the main point. But, I thought there was an open question about ...

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by Revelation
Thu Jun 13, 2019 7:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3059
Views: 303504

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

Olddog wrote:
Problem is that AA CEO can't decide when EASA or CAAC will lift the grounding.

AA's MAXes don't fly to EU or China so it's no big deal to him.

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by Revelation
Thu Jun 13, 2019 5:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3059
Views: 303504

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

Mid March it was flying at the end of May. Mid June it is end of August. Kind of a rolling two month out. Not much new information right? How much more pilot training will be required. Seems like the answer to that question is part of the critical path. Until some answers come out on the fix, it is...

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by Revelation
Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: China Southern to launch PKX as the largest home hub carrier by relocating fully to Beijing’s new mega-airport
Replies: 24
Views: 3719

Re: China Southern to launch PKX as the largest home hub carrier by relocating fully to Beijing’s new mega-airport

Tremendous kudos to CZ for making the immeasurably judicious, cool-headed strategic decision :bigthumbsup: which I deeply believe and have no doubt in the slightest would benefit the carrier enormously and beautifully in the long-term :D Thanks for the post, but why all the superlatives? Excessive ...

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by Revelation
Thu Jun 13, 2019 1:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3059
Views: 303504

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

I suppose if Parker said that Max will return to service tomorrow, you still would not see a contradiction, because tomorrow is technically "before December". Nope, if that happened I would say it was inconsistent with everything else we know about the timeline, just like I did with Bahra...

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by Revelation
Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Brown Bear Walks Through Airport Security Check Point
Replies: 59
Views: 8709

Re: Brown Bear Walks Through Airport Security Check Point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mFf5B5qEX4 )...
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Sancho99504 wrote:
Revelation wrote:
Yeah but did he poo in the woods or in the airport?

A whole lot of folkelore depends on the answer to that question.

Maybe he ran out of toilet paper and heard they had Charmin there?

You led us right into this Eddie Murphy joke (NSFW: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mFf5B5qEX4 )...

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by Revelation
Thu Jun 13, 2019 12:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019
Replies: 3059
Views: 303504

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q2 2019

China (CAAC) put another $30B on the table. The 737MAX and 777X are on the table. Maybe EK, FAA and UA can join for a few wines at the chalet next week. An opportunity for everyone to show how tough they are at this stage. https://www.scmp.com/news/china/article/3013289/boeing-and-chinese-airlines-...

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