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by morrisond
Tue Jun 30, 2020 12:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020
Replies: 607
Views: 56671

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020

Which again assuming that sales split held on the MAX, explains why the two crashes were both MAX-8s. Up to the two crashes only the MAX-8s were certified and delivered so there was no chance that any other variant of the MAX could crash as none were in service. Nope -9's were operating by then as ...

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by morrisond
Tue Jun 16, 2020 12:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020
Replies: 607
Views: 56671

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020

Whether it wants a 3rd AOA probe, or doesn’t, is not a question of safe or unsafe. Safe or unsafe is not an on/off switch. The question is whether the regulators feel that the plane is sufficiently safe with only two AOA probes, or not. That is a question of opinion. Generally, if you ask people wh...

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by morrisond
Wed May 27, 2020 2:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ​Internal tussle as Boeing weighs future of 747
Replies: 330
Views: 50224

Re: ​Internal tussle as Boeing weighs future of 747

When they do an 777xF would it possibly be easier to swing the tail vs the nose - actually on second thought that would be a lot more weight - swinging the nose doesn't seem that hard in comparison - maybe FBW solves the issue for the most part.

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by morrisond
Wed May 27, 2020 12:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020
Replies: 1289
Views: 244654

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020

So what structural, efficiency and aerodynamic magic do you think Airbus was able to pull off to make the A351 so much better than Boeing can with the 777X 4-5 years later While the A350 still have the longitudinal splice joint and the 787 does not, both do not have the massive number of stringer f...

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by morrisond
Wed May 27, 2020 2:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020
Replies: 1289
Views: 244654

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020

With 177t empty weight it would take 78t out to ~5000nm and drop about 1t/70nm of payload ability. At 8000nm it has about 36t or just over 300 pax. A 351 takes about 73t to 5900 and drops at 1t/80nm, at 8000nm has 47t available. Fred Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk So what structural, efficiency...

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by morrisond
Tue May 26, 2020 8:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020
Replies: 1289
Views: 244654

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020

177,000kg sounds too light to me. Last numbers I saw from Leeham.net for the 777-9 was 185,000kg which was "corroborated" by Daniel Tsang. Boeing themselves said the OEW was at 188,000kg at their Post-2014 Design Gate. The only one I have seen claiming the 777-9 would be overly "ligh...

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by morrisond
Tue May 26, 2020 8:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020
Replies: 1289
Views: 244654

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020

19.3% range increase? They might get 8K out if it if they increase the MTOW to 360t but thats still make believe at this time. The 777F has a max payload of ~103t out to 4970nm requiring ~100t of fuel. If the 777XF has an increase of 20t in the empty weight Up to about 165tt then to keep the payloa...

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by morrisond
Tue May 26, 2020 8:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020
Replies: 1289
Views: 244654

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020

Leeham analyses thé 777X particularly the -9 in a four part article that’s behind a paywall. Basically the wing apparently has kept its weight with the 77W. The engine I believe is slightly heavier by about 2.5 tonnes and the extra length of the fuselage adds 2 tonnes and then the only thing that b...

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by morrisond
Tue May 26, 2020 4:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020
Replies: 1289
Views: 244654

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020

... Range will go above 14,000KM. Boeing website has been stating 13,500 for sometime long time but their press release when BA ordered (FEB 2019) states the range at 14,075KM Although everywhere else states at 13500 14,000 km = 7,559 nmi ; 13,500 km = 7,289 nmi Boeing's web site mentions 777-9's r...

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by morrisond
Tue May 26, 2020 3:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q2 2020
Replies: 607
Views: 56671

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, May 2020

Michael O'Leary is speaking on Bloomberg.

He says Boeing has been keeping him up to date.

He expects Joint FAA/EASA test flights in July.

RTS in North America Sep/Oct

Ryanair to receive first deliveries by Christmas.

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by morrisond
Tue May 26, 2020 3:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020
Replies: 168
Views: 240282

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Michael O'Leary is speaking on Bloomberg.

He says Boeing has been keeping him up to date.

He expects Joint FAA/EASA test flights in July.

RTS in North America Sep/Oct

Ryanair to receive first deliveries by Christmas.

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by morrisond
Tue May 26, 2020 2:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020
Replies: 1289
Views: 244654

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020

I am optimistically going to say that one the reasons why the 778 is "dying" in pax form is because the 779 will meet the 778 range target with full pax and bags/cargo. It will be a beast. The 778 will still be the basis for an amazing freighter replacement of the 777F. 19.3% range increa...

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by morrisond
Mon May 25, 2020 7:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"
Replies: 1642
Views: 154755

Re: Boeing CEO: NMA will

Boeing should have considered, . . . Time to design a fail safe cockpit. They were shocked by the pilots inability to fly it manually. Given the recent PIA accident as another example of very poor airmanship - I would suggest the safest route forward is to fully automate the flight and no pilot inv...

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by morrisond
Mon May 25, 2020 7:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020
Replies: 1289
Views: 244654

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020

I read the same thing too. However, I suspect at one point there would be (a) higher thrust variant(s) up to 110 klb or so. That will be for the 360T 779 MTOW version.... Are there confirmed plans for a 360T version? No - just speculation - But I think somewhere back in the threads someone explaine...

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by morrisond
Mon May 25, 2020 5:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020
Replies: 1289
Views: 244654

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020

So why do they open the article with an untruth? They said that the GE9X is the most powerful engine in the world. It’s not. The GE90-115 is more powerful. It actually is the most powerful. It can reach 134,000 pounds of thrust. There’s a Guinness world record to prove it. But for the 777X it’s thr...

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by morrisond
Mon May 25, 2020 5:08 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Will The 777X Beat its Efficiency Goals
Replies: 43
Views: 4566

Re: Will The 777X Beat its Efficiency Goals

I think it will be a lot closer to 77W weight than people are expecting and handily beat its goals. From the 777X testing thread a few weeks ago quoting myself "I would agree. I think Boeing probably threw a lot more engineering resources at this bird to get the OEW weight down once they saw ho...

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by morrisond
Sun May 24, 2020 12:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"
Replies: 1642
Views: 154755

Re: Boeing CEO: NMA will

Boeing should have considered, but has been shocked with the liability if the plane drops out of auto due to some problem and the pilot needs to solve an issue in seconds. The best and average pilots probably can solve nearly all problems, but the least capable pilot may not be able to. Pilots are ...

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by morrisond
Sun May 24, 2020 12:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 153098

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

So it seems confirmed now that they just didn't lower the gear at all, incredible ! About a rule on unstable approaches. There is usually a rule about reporting screwups with the expectation that you won't be punished (does PIA have that rule ?) in the interest of safety. What about an exception to...

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by morrisond
Sun May 24, 2020 12:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"
Replies: 1642
Views: 154755

Re: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"

Lets not try to bring this as new insights of Boeing in future design, meeting less capable pilots elsewhere. Boeing tried to upgrade an old cockpit one time too much, aircraft crashed and now they are ordered to design the next one meeting the latest standards. Meeting standards not yet defined - ...

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by morrisond
Fri May 22, 2020 12:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 153098

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Sad News If they had so little fuel, I Wonder why they didn't try to land without the front gir deployed... It has been done before ... My guess is if the fuel starvation is true that they were so focused on the landing gear they were not paying attention to the fuel, or even considering that they ...

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by morrisond
Fri May 22, 2020 12:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi
Replies: 730
Views: 153098

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

Zeke Would undercarriage issue result in running out of fuel. Surely they don't cut the fuel upload that close. I am assuming they would have attempted a gravity gear extension to get the nose wheel down, the fuel consumption after the go around would be around 3 times higher with the gear down and...

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by morrisond
Tue May 19, 2020 8:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"
Replies: 1642
Views: 154755

Re: Boeing CEO: NMA will "start with a clean sheet of paper again"

The Air Current ( https://theaircurrent.com/aircraft-development/boeings-nma-in-doubt-as-airlines-take-fresh-look-at-737-max-757-replacement/ ) has put its October 2019 article about NMA transitioning to FSA outside its paywall i.e. it's now free. The most interesting section to me was that the des...

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by morrisond
Mon May 18, 2020 11:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 777 - 25 years in commercial service
Replies: 147
Views: 14151

Re: 777 - 25 years in commercial service

Not to state the obvious but the 777x will be better in almost every measure everyone is whining about above. It should be quieter as next quieter Generation Engines. (however may be offset by different insulation in the walls) It will be wider by 4" inside so base seats will be normal 787/737 ...

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by morrisond
Sun May 17, 2020 1:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X
Replies: 520
Views: 90281

Re: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X

Deleted for readability: See above The whole single pilot suggestion started in this thread when I suggested that porting the 777X fly by wire control system to the 767 may allow single pilot cargo operations with a few mods a lot easier than the existing 767 control system. This would further impr...

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by morrisond
Sat May 16, 2020 8:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X
Replies: 520
Views: 90281

Re: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X

The impact of removing pilots will be a SIGNIFICANT benefit will change the airlines business case Please explain and provide references that anyone is talking about having the ability to remove pilots from aircraft at this stage. Much less a derivative of an existing aircraft that will have tons o...

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by morrisond
Sat May 16, 2020 2:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020
Replies: 1289
Views: 244654

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020

Thanks Moderators for re-opening. We will be sure to adhere to the rules. Today’s highlights: Both WH001 and 002 both had test flights 002 reached the ceiling of 43100 and stayed their for about 20 minutes and then made its way back to BFI 001 reached about 36750 and carried out different tests at ...

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by morrisond
Fri May 15, 2020 6:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X
Replies: 520
Views: 90281

Re: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X

I actually doubt that there is much of a possibility of a revised passenger version of the 767. The reality is that Airbus currently holds that market niche. There is a faint possibility of a new wing on a cargo 767 assuming that Boeing sees enough of a market (likely at least 400 aircraft in a 20 ...

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by morrisond
Wed May 13, 2020 6:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X
Replies: 520
Views: 90281

Re: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X

If a brand new "widebody" with fully-optimized aerodynamics, systems and propulsion can't make a successful business case with airlines before COVID-19, count me very skeptical that a 767 with better-optimized aerodynamics (thanks to the new wings) and kind-of-optimized engines (depending...

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by morrisond
Wed May 13, 2020 1:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X
Replies: 520
Views: 90281

Re: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X

Hmmm... I had a talk with my friend who was heavily involved in the NMA project. They had some interesting things to say about various possibilities being discussed in this thread. 1) A revamped 767F with new engines and modified wings is considered almost a certainty. Boeing is critically aware of...

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by morrisond
Wed May 13, 2020 1:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020
Replies: 1289
Views: 244654

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020

The tail loads during a stall are dynamic, ie the tail bounces around a lot in the wing wake and the concern is structural fatigue. Flight test airplanes do numerous stalls as part of a flight test program. Production airplanes will probably never encounter a stall in their service life so h. tail ...

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by morrisond
Tue May 12, 2020 8:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020
Replies: 1289
Views: 244654

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020

Based on past Cert Program experience, I suspect the airplane has been stalled several times at all flap settings and at forward and aft CG's. The saw tooth altitude traces along with speed changes seen for some flight tests appear to indicate stall testing. Wing loads are not particularly high dur...

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by morrisond
Tue May 12, 2020 4:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020
Replies: 1289
Views: 244654

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020

Based on past Cert Program experience, I suspect the airplane has been stalled several times at all flap settings and at forward and aft CG's. The saw tooth altitude traces along with speed changes seen for some flight tests appear to indicate stall testing. Wing loads are not particularly high dur...

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by morrisond
Tue May 12, 2020 3:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020
Replies: 1289
Views: 244654

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020

Doing stalls and whatever other manoeuvers they were doing at 20,000' which could have resulted in spins would have put far more load on the airframe. Curios though, did they really stall the aircraft this early in the program? I mean i can see them approach the stall and do the stick shaker test, ...

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by morrisond
Tue May 12, 2020 2:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020
Replies: 1289
Views: 244654

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020

If I remember correctly 787 and A350 reached 40k ft early in their initial test flight programs. I do not know why the 777x did not cruise level early on in the program. . An update on the root cause analyses of the 777X ground test fuselage rupture could make clear it is totally unrelated. The 777...

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by morrisond
Mon May 11, 2020 8:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020
Replies: 1289
Views: 244654

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020

My response of higher altitude and thinner air is only relavent to dynamics load as per the quote. The static test failure in my opinion would impact the higher altitude testing with respect to the pressure differential in the fuselage. Even if the difference is within 1 percent of ultimate, I beli...

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by morrisond
Mon May 11, 2020 6:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X
Replies: 520
Views: 90281

Re: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X

There is a portion of the KC-135 replacement requirement that could end up going to something other than a 767. I think at least 50-75% of the requirement will go to the KC-46. The USN was forced into the MQ-25 and will take their new tankers and try to make it work. USAF isn't going to want to hoe...

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by morrisond
Mon May 11, 2020 2:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X
Replies: 520
Views: 90281

Re: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X

Hi REV - two minds thinking alike about Stealth tankers. I was writing mine above while you were posting yours and didn't see it until now. Yes - the next tanker will most likely be Stealthy. Reusing the B-21 frame might work really well as It think it is being built to be able to be autonomous any...

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by morrisond
Mon May 11, 2020 1:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X
Replies: 520
Views: 90281

Re: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X

Hi REV - two minds thinking alike about Stealth tankers. I was writing mine above while you were posting yours and didn't see it until now. Yes - the next tanker will most likely be Stealthy. Reusing the B-21 frame might work really well as It think it is being built to be able to be autonomous anyw...

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by morrisond
Mon May 11, 2020 1:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X
Replies: 520
Views: 90281

Re: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X

I think you are all missing the most likely reality that the DOD will probably want no change to the KC-46. They will just want more of them with the existing engines. I doubt they have to follow the same emissions rules and any improvement in efficiency is immaterial to them (unless it is is huge)....

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by morrisond
Sun May 10, 2020 10:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020
Replies: 1289
Views: 244654

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020

Forgive me if I have this wrong - but aren't the dynamic loads lower at higher altitude due to the thinner air?

Isn't that why the Tornado is so beefy so it can fly at really high speeds low to the ground?

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by morrisond
Sat May 09, 2020 2:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X
Replies: 520
Views: 90281

Re: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X

Yes UPS uses the 767-300F over the Atlantic and Pacific daily. Which means they probably max out on Volume well before max cargo weight so they can carry more fuel. I would have expected that longer winged aircrafts are used for such long distances. O.k. I'm wrong. It seems I put too much emphasis ...

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by morrisond
Sat May 09, 2020 12:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Should airlines be allowed to hedge against fuel price flactuations ?
Replies: 58
Views: 5281

Re: Should airlines be allowed to hedge against fuel price flactuations ?

It is possible to buy futures on Jet Fuel. https://www.cmegroup.com/trading/energy/refined-products/gulf-coast-jet-fuel-platts-calendar-swap.html These can be settled in cash. Options and futures are different and shouldn't be used interchangeably in terminology https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answ...

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by morrisond
Fri May 08, 2020 7:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X
Replies: 520
Views: 90281

Re: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X

As I said: a midrange freighter. Does anybody use B767-300F over the Atlantic? DHL does (or has in past). Unsure about Fedex and UPS. Yes UPS uses the 767-300F over the Atlantic and Pacific daily. Which means they probably max out on Volume well before max cargo weight so they can carry more fuel.

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by morrisond
Fri May 08, 2020 6:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020
Replies: 1289
Views: 244654

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020

And while the 779 is essentially a new plane, I am sure that the test pilots have enough experience and Boeing has made enough calculations to know whether the plane is falling short of expectations, meeting them, or exceeding them just on the basis of the relatively limited flying they have done s...

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by morrisond
Fri May 08, 2020 5:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X
Replies: 520
Views: 90281

Re: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X

Yes - that is the problem on the passenger version - it needs to get a lot lighter to be sellable and if doesn't it will remain Freight only. Rough numbers tell me that an 767-300XF (with full 777X tech transfer) would only need a MTOW of about 165-170T vs 187T to get about the same capability and ...

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by morrisond
Fri May 08, 2020 5:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X
Replies: 520
Views: 90281

Re: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X

Rough numbers tell me that an 767-300XF (with full 777X tech transfer) would only need a MTOW of about 165-170T vs 187T to get about the same capability and range as the existing 300F with a new wing and lower fuel burn. That means lighter gear, etc.. B767-300ER: MTOW: 186,9 t OEW 90 t Max payload:...

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by morrisond
Fri May 08, 2020 3:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X
Replies: 520
Views: 90281

Re: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X

And yes it does say longer gear will be included: Though it didn't say that the gear would be new...only 'modified'. Fair enough. I think I read in some other article the -400 gear was taller. So we speak of a medium range freighter. Memphis to San Francisco: 1570 nm Memphis to New York: 837 nm Bot...

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by morrisond
Fri May 08, 2020 3:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X
Replies: 520
Views: 90281

Re: Reuters: Boeing considering 757-Plus and 767-X

If you read through the GE information you will see the GEnx is good for 15% itself on the same wing. A rewinged lightened 767 could be 20-25% more efficient. That being said if it's for Cargo only they won't rewing it. They need to change the engines on the 767f due to new emissions rules coming i...

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by morrisond
Thu May 07, 2020 8:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020
Replies: 1289
Views: 244654

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2020

Those who think that Boeing will know (or have reasonable insights on) the final performance of the 779 frame are I think living in a fantasy land. We all know that up tp now that the 779 hasn't flown particularly high or fast (well the last couple of days have seen some change in that) and the per...

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