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by Airlinerdude
Tue Nov 23, 2021 9:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada fined $4.5m for delayed COVID refunds by US DoT
Replies: 23
Views: 2075

Re: Air Canada fined $4.5m for delayed COVID refunds by US DoT

Sometimes, it comes down to circumstances. All passengers who purchased a refundable fare, were refunded immediately. All passengers who’s flight cancelled and there were no other reasonable options, were refunded (or offered a voucher). I’m not sure that was the case initially. Most, if not all, w...

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by Airlinerdude
Sun Nov 21, 2021 6:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021
Replies: 791
Views: 93259

Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Emirates is upgrading EK205/206 (DXB-MXP-JFK) to A380 operation starting from 01DEC21. This will be the third A380 flight to New York JFK At its peak, how may flights did EK have to JFK? Was it four? Four A380 flights: EK203 - 0235 dep EK201 - 0830 dep EK205 - 0910 dep via MXP EK207 - 1500 dep - en...

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by Airlinerdude
Sat Nov 20, 2021 10:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Transat/Westjet sign transatlantic codeshare deal
Replies: 33
Views: 6116

Re: Air Transat/Westjet sign transatlantic codeshare deal

I wonder if this is pointing at an eventual cooperation from a frequently flyer standpoint. Having TS become a part of Westjet rewards would likely be mutually beneficial for both airlines. Having more international flight opportunities for members to earn and burn would increase the attractiveness ...

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by Airlinerdude
Sat Nov 20, 2021 9:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flydubai to place a new aircraft order
Replies: 32
Views: 8301

Re: Flydubai to place a new aircraft order

Where would flydubai fly where it needs the XLR range? Many African cities would be ideal candidates for FZ. Too little volume and premium demand to attract EK, but too far for FZ's 7M8s. We saw interest in West Africa when they attempted FIH via EBB in 2018, but were quick to pull the route within...

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by Airlinerdude
Mon Nov 15, 2021 9:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Tim Clark hinting at a possible Emirates order review?
Replies: 83
Views: 15930

Re: Tim Clark hinting at a possible Emirates order review?

Doesn't EK still have like 70-80 A380's parked? How many 77W's? Serious question, I'm too lazy to look around for the answer. As of today, there are 52/119 active A380s in the fleet, so 67 parked aircraft with 2 left to be delivered. Zero 777s are parked. STC is always going to whine about every mf...

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by Airlinerdude
Wed Nov 03, 2021 4:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021
Replies: 791
Views: 93259

Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Andreas Spaeth on Twitter: -95 A380 still stored, mostly at DWC, some in DXB. -A6-EDA is scrapped in DWC. That number is inaccurate. As of today, 49/119 (41%) aircraft are in active service, leaving 70 aircraft stored. The challenge these days are getting enough flight crews trained up to fly the a...

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by Airlinerdude
Mon Nov 01, 2021 7:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Dubai Air Show Thread 2021
Replies: 70
Views: 13975

Re: Dubai Air Show Thread 2021

flydubai just shared their new Business Class on their MAX via their socials. And it’s not the flat beds found on their current MAX’s. Didn’t see this coming. And it raises a few questions. Will all future MAX deliveries have this style of J seat? Aircraft is identified as 737 MAX 8H during booking...

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by Airlinerdude
Wed Oct 27, 2021 12:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2021
Replies: 929
Views: 172421

Re: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2021

YYC-NRT would be pretty tight with an XLR, highly unlikely it could operate that route. But a piece of cake for an A330neo. ;) Not to mention, the distance is about the same as the longest Air Canada flew their present A330s …. FRA-YVR. The biggest issue AC found with the 767 on YYC-NRT was being a...

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by Airlinerdude
Tue Oct 05, 2021 10:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021
Replies: 791
Views: 93259

Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Interesting thread. Does anyone know the future for their 2 class 380s - seem to be slow in bringing them back so far. So far just the two: A6-EUN and A6-EVB, have been brought back to service operating MAN/AMM. So just 2/15 are operating. Only one other (A6-EUQ) has been prepared for return to ser...

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by Airlinerdude
Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021
Replies: 791
Views: 93259

Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

A reminder of what I actually wrote: I wouldn't be surprised if the EK A380 fleet ended up being around 40 aircraft sooner than many people here think. If you want to reduce that to "Emirates would only see 40 A380s returning to service", that's on you. Actually, referencing #343 you wrot...

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by Airlinerdude
Fri Oct 01, 2021 9:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Arabian Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 165
Views: 26544

Re: Arabian Aviation Thread - 2021

Royal Jordanian to resume pax operations to Damascus, Syria, starting from October 3. Interesting, how many foreign carriers operate in Damascus? What kind of plane will they send and at what frequency. Emirates had been working on getting approval to restart flights to Damascus back in 2019. Perha...

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by Airlinerdude
Wed Sep 29, 2021 11:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021
Replies: 452
Views: 56703

Re: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021

56% of the loss relates to an impairment on their 10 A380 and 16 A330 fleets. Basically writing them down to either 0 or scrap value Under IFRS, impairment losses are reversible if the recoverable amount of the underlying asset increases. Hypothetically, QR could take a large impairment charge in 2...

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by Airlinerdude
Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021
Replies: 791
Views: 93259

Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

TFA says: “The airline is gradually and responsibly deploying its popular aircraft in sync with passenger demand as the travel industry continues on its path to recovery,” Emirates states. Time will tell... A reminder that in post #343 of the following thread, you were very confident that Emirates ...

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by Airlinerdude
Sun Sep 19, 2021 8:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021
Replies: 791
Views: 93259

Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

The main issue facing EK with these smaller frames is slots in DXB. Pre-Covid everything was simply build around increasing the seat count per slot. That restriction is still there. There will be no DWC for at least the next decade IMHO. And now flydubai will shortly be 30% bigger than they ever we...

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by Airlinerdude
Wed Sep 01, 2021 10:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021
Replies: 791
Views: 93259

Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Thanks for this. It seems like good news. My family's IAH-DXB trip over US Thanksgiving week in November remains a 77L. I've been watching it in the event it gets upgauged to a 77W...no chance for the 380, I'm betting. The end of November is typically when US traffic to/from DXB rebounds from the s...

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by Airlinerdude
Wed Sep 01, 2021 6:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021
Replies: 791
Views: 93259

Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Emirates will receive three more A380 aircraft from Airbus this year with its last unit on order scheduled to join its fleet in November, bringing forward the original delivery timeline from June 2022. As travel restrictions ease with the global roll-out of COVID-19 vaccines, come October, Emirates...

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by Airlinerdude
Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021
Replies: 791
Views: 93259

Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Some near term capacity increases were announced: 11 times weekly 380 to JFK 3 times daily 380 to LHR, increasing to 6 times daily (4 x 380) in October 11 times weekly 77W to JNB 3 times weekly 77W to CPT 3 times weekly 77L to GLA, increasing to daily in September 1 daily 77W to MAN, increasing to t...

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by Airlinerdude
Fri Aug 13, 2021 7:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2021
Replies: 929
Views: 172421

Re: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2021

I don't know if you can blame management, while the US recovered rapidly the Canadian government continually put constraints in place, and Canadians were much less willing to travel. There have been numerous false starts and this is the first time it's really improved. It is just my opinion, but it...

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by Airlinerdude
Thu Aug 12, 2021 8:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2021
Replies: 929
Views: 172421

Re: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2021

Well, if the growth in traffic caught AC off guard, they didn't rebuild their domestic network yet. Besides a handful of small recalls that happened during the spring, the bulk of cabin crew recalls only began on July 4th. They're now at full capacity getting cabin crew trained back up. Having watc...

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by Airlinerdude
Fri Aug 06, 2021 2:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar Airways has grounded 13 A350’s at the request of the Qatar Aviation regulator
Replies: 457
Views: 92243

Re: Qatar Airways has grounded 13 A350’s at the request of the Qatar Aviation regulator

If it is purely posturing the logical explanation would be deferrals or cancellation without financial penalty. I personally am skeptical of anything STC or Al Baker state publicly, but grounding a significant part of your A350 fleet and bringing A330's out of storage is a new escalation that has a...

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by Airlinerdude
Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Reuters: Airbus launches A350 freighter
Replies: 1815
Views: 304467

Re: A350F. Airbus looking to launch: Looking for customers

Who launched it? Airbus didn't announce customers, according to a rueters article, but I wonder, who actually needs the 350F right now? As above, FlightGlobal termed this 'board approval to develop' which IMO is different than 'launch'. I suppose 'develop' refers to refining the concept they curren...

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by Airlinerdude
Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021
Replies: 791
Views: 93259

Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Was on the road on Friday and saw the EK 380 take off from ZRH. I wonder how full it really is? I bet EK cant wait to get smaller aircraft on property. As much as the 380 is a pleasant flight I cant imagine it is anywhere close to full on ZRH-DXB, even in good times. Yesterday's EK88 had a LF of 93...

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by Airlinerdude
Fri Jul 23, 2021 4:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AC Q2 Financial Report
Replies: 1
Views: 437

AC Q2 Financial Report

A summary of some of the main numbers (3-months to June 30th, in millions): Revenue: $837 Operating income: -$1,133 Net income: -$1,165 EBITDA: -$656 Total assets: 26,504 Working capital: 506 Net debt: 7,085 Cash burn: 8 (per day) Passenger load factor: 42.2% Summary of changes since Q2 2020: Revenu...

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by Airlinerdude
Wed Jul 21, 2021 9:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2021
Replies: 929
Views: 172421

Re: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2021

I've also heard that approx. 2,000 flight attendants have received recall notices in the last two months. Hopefully more to come with the recent news. All good signs for AC's recovery.

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by Airlinerdude
Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021
Replies: 791
Views: 93259

Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Load Factor has exceeded 70% up from 44% last year. Some routes are reporting a LF of 100%. An interesting use of statistics: if the fleet wide average is 70% and some have 100% LF then either a few have much less than 70% to offset the 'some' that have 100%, or a lot have a bit less than 70%. To f...

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by Airlinerdude
Tue Jul 20, 2021 5:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2021
Replies: 131
Views: 26490

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - July 2021

The cap isn't reducing, just the amount of airlines to share the minimal seats around to are reducing, which means other airlines can take a couple of extra people per flight (probably literally a couple). For example, if all airlines stopped bar SQ, then SQ would be able to sell more seats on thei...

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by Airlinerdude
Sat Jul 17, 2021 4:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021
Replies: 791
Views: 93259

Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Emirates is calling 70-100 furloughed A380 Pilots each month to rejoin the company, main constraint is the simulator retraining sessions. Almost all B777 Pilots are back with the company. Airbus callbacks began in April, but I have yet to see 70-100 be called back during a single month. Just this p...

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by Airlinerdude
Tue Jul 13, 2021 4:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021
Replies: 791
Views: 93259

Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

How is the EWR-ATH leg doing? The outbound from EWR are usually 90%+ LF in the premium cabins and about 75%+ in Y. The inbounds to EWR were initially quite poor as the point of sale heavily favoured ex US, but are now about 5 or 10% less than the outbounds. It's very common to see EWR/ATH being ove...

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by Airlinerdude
Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Porter Airlines Orders 30 Embraer E195-E2
Replies: 224
Views: 35652

Re: Porter orders up to 80 E195-E2

Porter attempted a “premium niche” in the past, but today, they are little different from the competition. Don’t forget, it was Porter that introduced Canada to checked baggage fees. Many North American carriers have attempted the “premium” model and none succeeded. Passengers love the high end tre...

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by Airlinerdude
Mon Jul 12, 2021 7:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021
Replies: 791
Views: 93259

Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

EK is operating a one-off A380 flight as EK2561 to ATH on July 16th due to high demand. Hopefully we'll see the A380 back as a permanent fixture on ATH, BCN, MXP/JFK soon as all of these routes are operating with high LFs, particularly in the premium cabins. As of this week, EK has 30 A380s back in ...

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by Airlinerdude
Mon Jul 12, 2021 6:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Porter Airlines Orders 30 Embraer E195-E2
Replies: 224
Views: 35652

Re: Updated: Porter Airlines Orders 30 Embraer E195-E2

This is a really exciting development, congrats PD! I find this personally exciting that PD and F8 are taking on the incumbents in the Canadian domestic and transborder markets. It looks like we might see a slightly more diversified aviation landscape coming out of Covid. All we need now is a relaxa...

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by Airlinerdude
Wed Jul 07, 2021 2:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Porter Airlines extends operations restart date
Replies: 52
Views: 11729

Re: Porter Airlines extends operations restart date

No, Air Canada (and all Canadian carriers) received the ability to access government loans (at Mafia interest rates) in April. This was in exchange for equity in the airline and Aeroplan. As well, certain restrictions were placed on the operation, including re-establishing (non profitable) flights ...

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by Airlinerdude
Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates 5.5bn Loss
Replies: 65
Views: 12215

Re: Emirates 5.5bn Loss

Unsurprisingly an absolutely terrible year for EK. From a capacity standpoint, (measured in ATKMs) EK operated similar capacity to that last seen in the 2007-2008 financial year. It seems Covid knocked off 13 years of growth. It also appears that for the first time in its history, EK operated primar...

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by Airlinerdude
Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The WestJet Thread - 2021
Replies: 602
Views: 104840

Re: WestJet adds Calgary-Amsterdam

What's WestJet's international cargo business like these days? I imagine starting a route to AMS could be partially driven by cargo demand.

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by Airlinerdude
Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021
Replies: 791
Views: 93259

Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Not EK flight crew , but rumours abound that layoffs were arbitrary , not based on fairness , seniority or logic , but by other more subjective measurements. If this is true , how can EK hope to recruit “ the best “ from around the world to crew these aircraft, other than those merely desperate for...

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by Airlinerdude
Fri Jun 04, 2021 4:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Porter Airlines Engaged In A Dispute With Owner Of Toronto City Airport
Replies: 39
Views: 8805

Re: Porter Airlines Engaged In A Dispute With Owner Of Toronto City Airport

Should be an interesting Fall with Connect Airlines wanting to get into YTZ. I believe that Porter should be a bit frightened in passing off the Powers that be, I believe Connect will have No issues in paying for slots n the like. I don't feel for the Higher ups at porter, I feel for the front line...

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by Airlinerdude
Tue May 18, 2021 8:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How is EY flying 6x weekly to YYZ but EK can only fly 5x weekly to YYZ?
Replies: 48
Views: 8522

Re: How is EY flying 6x weekly to YYZ but EK can only fly 5x weekly to YYZ?

I think the updated bilateral must have a clause allowing flexibility between capacity & frequency. I noticed that the additional frequencies added by EK when they went from 3 to 5 times weekly had a capacity restriction added. I'd have to imagine that because EY down-gauged from a 77W pre-pande...

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by Airlinerdude
Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021
Replies: 791
Views: 93259

Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

EK is bringing back the A380 to LHR, FRA, and YYZ effective May 1. JFK set to resume from June 1.

As of today, 20/117 A380s are back flying. Albeit, at very infrequent use for most of the frames.

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by Airlinerdude
Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates A380 fleet to stay for longer
Replies: 140
Views: 20676

Re: Emirates A380 fleet to stay for longer

Slots are not so precious to make the A380 needed beyond a few routes. 3X A350-1000 or 779 will do the same job as 2x A380. Those 3x A350-1000 or 779 will cost less to fly Assumes 779 meets goal of 10% lower cost per seat, that means less cost per seat than the A388: ... The only airline to discuss...

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by Airlinerdude
Tue Apr 13, 2021 1:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada to get federal aid
Replies: 17
Views: 3500

Re: Air Canada to get federal aid

Great news for all parties involved - particularly all the struggling aviation sector workers. I can't help but point out the coincidence between the timing of the Air Transat deal falling through and the finalization of this bailout. Looks to me like AC was waiting to the bitter end to acquire TS b...

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by Airlinerdude
Thu Apr 08, 2021 8:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates A380 fleet to stay for longer
Replies: 140
Views: 20676

Re: Emirates A380 fleet to stay for longer

Clearly STC's biggest problem is that he over-committed EK to the A380. Is it though? Pre-covid, he decided to extend the leases on the Doric ones (EDP, EDT, EDX, EDY, EDZ, EEB, and EEC) from 10 years to 12 years as late as Q1 2020. If he had figured he'd over-committed to the 380, I am doubtful he...

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by Airlinerdude
Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2021
Replies: 929
Views: 172421

Re: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2021

With the DH3 gone, I highly doubt you will see AC resurrect some of their smaller station closures from over the past year. Smaller cities closer to a larger population base prefer the frequency the B190, DH1 and DH3 were able to provide. Now your lowest option has become a 50-seat jet from yestery...

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by Airlinerdude
Thu Jan 28, 2021 3:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates first Boeing 777X pushed back to 2023
Replies: 107
Views: 22467

Re: Emirates first Boeing 777X pushed back to 2023

I'm confused are you saying Boeing should be delivering sooner than 2023? I think the shear about of retirements by airlines tells you demand won't recover and there have been significant, including IATA reports, of 2025 or so. I also don't think it is a "problem" because I think the airl...

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by Airlinerdude
Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates first Boeing 777X pushed back to 2023
Replies: 107
Views: 22467

Re: Emirates first Boeing 777X pushed back to 2023

I'd guess those credits for late deliveries aren't going to be as significant, the release specifically noted this was done after discussion with customers - no airline wants the expense of hundreds of millions per aircraft when they are just trying to stay afloat (look at those with large orders -...

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by Airlinerdude
Wed Jan 27, 2021 11:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2021
Replies: 929
Views: 172421

Re: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2021

Freeland hints at potential hotel quarantines for returning travellers: OTTAWA -- Deputy Prime Minister Chrystia Freeland says the federal government is "looking seriously" at tougher travel measures to fight the COVID-19 pandemic, including mandatory hotel quarantines for air travellers r...

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by Airlinerdude
Sun Jan 24, 2021 8:58 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021
Replies: 791
Views: 93259

Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

I wonder when they will send their A380 to USA, it seems 77W will serve all North American stations at least for the first half of 2021 EK201 to JFK is currently scheduled to revert back to the A380 on March 27th. Though I wouldn't hold my breath. Given the additional hurdles for US travel lately, ...

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by Airlinerdude
Tue Jan 19, 2021 9:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021
Replies: 791
Views: 93259

Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Emirates has partnered with the International Air Transport Association (IATA) to become one of the first airlines in the world to trial IATA Travel Pass – a mobile app to help passengers easily and securely manage their travel in line with any government requirements for COVID-19 testing or vaccin...

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by Airlinerdude
Tue Jan 19, 2021 3:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021
Replies: 791
Views: 93259

Re: Emirates Network & Fleet Discussion - 2021

Australia will be exceedingly cautious in reopening its international borders. Don’t expect it to happen this year apart maybe from a bubble with NZ. The evidence for all the vaccines is thus far ultra short term (not much more than two months worth of results to interpret in the published literatu...

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by Airlinerdude
Thu Jan 14, 2021 8:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2021
Replies: 929
Views: 172421

Re: Air Canada News And Discussion Thread - 2021

Once they vax the 40% of the total population, ( the over 50 cohort), cases will continue, but it should eliminate roughly 75% of hospitalizations, 80% of ICU visits and 98% of fatalities. At that point, hospital capacity is not at threat, and travel, jobs, economic activity and life can quickly ge...

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by Airlinerdude
Thu Jan 14, 2021 7:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar Airways News and Discussion Thread - 2021
Replies: 452
Views: 56703

Re: QR CEO: Half Its A380 Fleet Will Be Retired, Cites Emissions Concerns

It's always felt like QR has never had a strategy for their 380s. For an airline that touts itself as being one of the best premium airlines in the world, it surprised me that they had the least premium seats on their 380s of all operators. It seemed to me like if they increased their J class seatin...

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