My son just flew YUL-YVR-YUL on AC. He's not impressed. YUL-YVR was delayed a long time while YVR-YUL was cancelled. He was re-routed YVR-YYZ-YUL with very inconvenient timings. Both flights were delayed a long time. This is April, summer could be another disaster. I'm thinking of avoiding AC for a...
Jump to postI think you’re catching on! I'm catching on because I'm questioning the advantage of 40 frames vs 18 far less capable frames and the associated costs of the trade? Man, I'm such an idiot. Your equation is lacking variables. This is not 40 vs 23 (18+5). This is additional 27 223s + 25 321XLR + Alask...
Jump to postIn terms of "capability", most in this context would be referring primarily to range and also in this case to ETOPS ability. Most on this board would not describe a 321ceo as more "capable" than a 7M8, generally speaking. I understand it has very high utility for AC, can carry p...
Jump to postQuite simply, the argument is merely that this trade would reduce the capability of mainline to then re-bolster it with new deliveries. Is the Air Canada group better off at the conclusion of these transactions? Sure. You'll die on the hill that they are. I'm not saying otherwise. How is mainline l...
Jump to postAC is getting those planes regardless of whether the 737a are moved to Rouge. You are still talking a net minus of 17 (including A320s in swap) planes in the mainline fleet. That’s why I said in my first post it the swap only makes sense if AC orders a bunch of new planes to go with it (backfilling...
Jump to postAs far as I’m concerned mainline and rouge look balanced. I think it'd be personally reasonable to argue that they perhaps should not be balanced, and that mainline should keep the new and competent airplanes they have and not trade them to their leisure division for geriatric Airbuses that burn 15...
Jump to post40 737max for 18 A321 is a good trade? Did you forget that mainline is getting 25+5 321XLR, 27 more 220s, and a number of leased airbus airplanes. Mainline also gets the A320s from rouge as well if there’s any truth to this. As far as I’m concerned mainline and rouge look balanced. AC is getting th...
Jump to postSure, but it’s the long term play at strengthening Rouge and weakening AC mainline, which would be sold under the PR guise of “better pax experience”. You are either shrinking AC’s fleet or saddling them with the long term costs to replace last gen aircraft. All while Rouge gets current gen aircraf...
Jump to postAlso, the union has no say in what narrow bodies go to rouge. That is purely a company decision. Sure, but it’s the long term play at strengthening Rouge and weakening AC mainline, which would be sold under the PR guise of “better pax experience”. You are either shrinking AC’s fleet or saddling the...
Jump to postWhat a massively expensive endeavour this would be for no conceivable gain. I can't wait. Well that’s your opinion! IF and only IF this rumour is true - there’s no Airbus rouge base in western Canada and the A321/A320 fleet doesn’t have the legs to fly Hawaii/deep Mexico, Florida whereas the westje...
Jump to postTheoretically they could send the 2-class A380 to YUL; not sure if they have any Crew Bunks in them. EK inquired about the possibility of sending the A380 to YUL. From what I understand, YUL said no. But YUL is a strange market for EK, as it lacks the lucrative Indian/South Asian traffic that YYZ, ...
Jump to postIsn't the downgrade just for the winter? No, it's showing through next summer also. Theoretically they could send the 2-class A380 to YUL; not sure if they have any Crew Bunks in them. But YUL is a strange market for EK, as it lacks the lucrative Indian/South Asian traffic that YYZ, ORD, JFK/EWR, B...
Jump to postI have flown Ywg-Yyz-ywg seven times since mid Sept. all have been on PD. Prior to that, I flew AC exclusively using regional flight pass. PD is not as convenient as AC. But I was seeing AC service in Ywg to be lethargic. Even the number of gates AC used seems have reduced by one. With PD, Flair an...
Jump to postWork from home though has little impact on long-haul government travel. Now that pretty much all the global in-person events and desires to meet to connect are back, government travel has returned and inspectors still need to travel the country to inspect stuff that can't be done virtually. Where i...
Jump to postDo we know for a fact that the Ottawa-Europe market that supported the LHR route prior to the pandemic has deteriorated relative to others? Or could it just be that there was always more money to make in other markets and they were keeping the route in place for political reasons? AC is not the kin...
Jump to postHi! Looking at Air Canada schedules for peak summer 2024 (international excluding US, Latin America, Caribbean). What am I forgetting? Any corrections? I know there will be changes from here to July... (-) means daily (So YYZ-SCL and YVR-ZRH are gone, right?) Air Canada (peak summer international 2...
Jump to postLooks like AC is suspending service to SCL after March Sad. That was a longstanding route for AC, being flown YYZ-SCL-EZE for many years, with the B763 in the North Summer and the B77W in the North Winter. Hopefully it is only a Seasonal suspension, but I doubt it. Well you shouldn't doubt... SCL w...
Jump to postIm not sure how you arrive at a conclusion where the 77W and 35K have the same range? The 35K has another at least an additional 2-3 hours of range vis a vis the 77W at equivalent standardized density. It has another 2-3 hours of range when carrying about 100 fewer passengers. For context, the long...
Jump to postIm not sure how you arrive at a conclusion where the 77W and 35K have the same range? The 35K has another at least an additional 2-3 hours of range vis a vis the 77W at equivalent standardized density.
Jump to postDon’t see a future for the 777-9 at AC! You can't put 450 people in the A35K or 778 (unless you're going single class, or ULCC style densification), so what, no more 450 seaters once the 77Ws are gone? Granted, it's still a while from now, but still. Is it the strategy to acquire more ~400 seaters ...
Jump to postThis is not a 777X vs 350 debate - but the 779 unequivocally can’t do YYZDEL BOM YVRSYD MEL let alone BLR, YVRDXB to name but a few. The 777-8 has that capability uniquely. Not sure what you mean by 'can't do'. Are you referring to flying without any payload restriction, or not capable of flying a ...
Jump to postThis is not a 777X vs 350 debate - but the 779 unequivocally can’t do YYZDEL BOM YVRSYD MEL let alone BLR, YVRDXB to name but a few. The 777-8 has that capability uniquely. Not sure what you mean by 'can't do'. Are you referring to flying without any payload restriction, or not capable of flying a ...
Jump to postIf AC is experiencing seasonality issues with their 77W’s today, then why on earth would they go for something like the 778/9 for a replacement? That would just make the problem worse. It’s too much plane with the exception of a handful of routes in peak summer. The 35K is a much more reasonable ch...
Jump to postConference call outlined the additions as follows: 18 78X - there were two comments that this will replace less efficient aircraft rather than growth 25 XLR's (this is a further reduction of 3 frames) 27 A220's Nonspecific comments were made on the additional A330's, A321's, or A320's that are bein...
Jump to postWestjet currently has 8 slot pairs at LGA. They will terminate LGA service on October 28. I think PD will be one of the front-runners to get those slots. I don't think FAA will allow WS to retain those slots after terminating service which will then result in a forced auction. New entrants and the ...
Jump to postIn which fantasyland does Porter get LGA slots? And enough sequentially such that they can operate a decent schedule. You voiced what I was thinking. Yet, it appears there are those on here that think it’s more than a faint possibility. Westjet currently has 8 slot pairs at LGA. They will terminate...
Jump to postIf Porter doesn't bid and/or win the imminent LGA slot lottery we can draw the conclusion that cash is tight as many Airline nutters (myself included) have speculated. The slots are not cheap. PD bidding for non-existent LGA slots is pointless especially when they already have plenty of EWR access....
Jump to postOnce pre-clearance becomes operational at YTZ, LGA would be a huge revenue source for Porter. So much so, that I could see AC use its minimal YTZ slots for LGA instead of YUL. Right now, Porter is paying $54M a year to maintain its near monopoly, so clearly they see the value in limiting AC. Porter...
Jump to postThis isn’t to bash the people at AC trying to make things work. But the wide body fleet is stretched razor thin which is amplifying the effects of part shortages, labor shortages, supply chain issues, AOG issues, etc. There is little breathing room to recover when something goes wrong. I think what...
Jump to postkrisyyz wrote:Are ACs 787/777 common type rated? In other words, can a AC 787 pilot fly the 777s?
KrisYYZ?
Air Canada isn’t running its widebodies harder than they did in 2018/2019 or 2022. Yes they are. The summer 2023 schedule is beefier than the summer 2022 schedule, with only 3 more planes (2 A333s 1 789). AC is down ~30 767s compared to 2018/2019. Yes a vast majority of those were wearing a Rouge l...
Jump to postExtremely short widebodies and down a 77W because of the fire. Who ever decided on the route planning for this summer with the wide body situation the way it is should be fired. AC is struggling to manage their route system and there are delays and cancellations throughout the network. It is about ...
Jump to postIn my opinion, this is what Air Canada needs. Not more 787s, not doors on J Class suites, not larger portions in Economy (although, that would be nice), but more Customer Service Agents. Three times in the last six months, I have had acquaintances have travel issues, usually due to weather. They we...
Jump to postI just found out that I was denied a cancellation credit even though I received notification on the app that I would receive a credit for future use when I cancelled. Unbelievable-I got hosed/ripped off by Air Canada!!!!! They admitted that the cause of the cancellation was a maintenance issue unde...
Jump to postAnd the 77L's are tied up flying India. I don't think HKG/China comes back anymore then what is already on the schedule for at least two summer seasons. Canadians are rightfully wary of traveling anywhere within the PRC (which would include HKG). I am not sure how I would even feel about transferri...
Jump to postYou can call that knife twisting too if you like, I wouldn't argue otherwise. My only point was that I blame the AC reduction at YYC primarily on WS, not on F8/Y9. WS pullback from the east was a refocus on the west, as they said they'd do. AC pull back from YYC is a shift elsewhere in the west. Wi...
Jump to postTaking the YYC-YHZ flight number. AC pushing in the knife and twisting at this point. There is no knife; there is no twisting. As Flair and Lynx ramp up services in Calgary, Air Canada is pulling back some services, for now, while watching what happens. The real question is: Will Flair and Lynx do ...
Jump to postCrewBunk, are AC's 767 pilots hauling cargo still on the same pay scale as when they were hauling pax? The Air Canada pilot contract is full of anachronisms like the one you note, devised by ACPA and AC to divide the pilot group. ACPA actually endorsed a 10% pay cut to fly 767Fs, saying the operati...
Jump to postThe timings to me point to the flight being used for (1) YUL p2p, (2) to give YYZ pax another option to depart/arrive in ME and India at different times, (3) to not use the main DXB connection wave. Again, I think EK would have definitely preferred another YYZ or YVR flight, but this is the comprom...
Jump to postI have a feeling this route will meet the same fate as United's ORD-DEL. That route operated with a longer flight plan after Russia banned U.S. airlines from using its airspace. Now it's not running. AC has a track history of running and making ULH flights work. AC has also been able to make DXB wo...
Jump to postrjbesikof wrote:I have a feeling this route will meet the same fate as United's ORD-DEL. That route operated with a longer flight plan after Russia banned U.S. airlines from using its airspace. Now it's not running.
Fun fact: Mark Galardo used to be a frequent poster on this site. Amazing what he’s done since then! He still is. Well ….. maybe not as “frequent” as he used to be, but he’s still an AvGeek like the rest of us. His little brother is one of our pilots. I flew with him a lot years ago when he was an ...
Jump to postQR already has a total of 16x slots for Canada flights. Plan is for a new daily YYZ service, YUL to be decreased to 5x weekly, and a new YVR service to be 4x weekly. Canada's transport minister went to not only UAE but also Qatar during his trip, announcement should come very soon for Qatar too. I ...
Jump to postLet me debunk the rumours. Air Canada did not and has not picked up WestJet 787s. These are the 3 orders of 787s that were completed and executed 18 months ago to bring the fleet to 40 787s by 2024. Could we please cool the unfounded rumour mill here. In a way it's a pity this isn't true. I'd reall...
Jump to postskipness1E wrote:The 40th aircraft was orignally intended for WestJet though? But has been built and fitted out for Air Canada as WestJet cancelled it a while back. Basically just re-allocated line nos. Isn't that true?
Let me debunk the rumours. Air Canada did not and has not picked up WestJet 787s. These are the 3 orders of 787s that were completed and executed 18 months ago to bring the fleet to 40 787s by 2024.
Could we please cool the unfounded rumour mill here.
[code][/code] AC adding 5 weekly YUL-AMS this summer. https://media.aircanada.com/2023-03-15-Air-Canada-to-Launch-New-Montreal-Amsterdam-Summer-Flights Shifting connecting traffic to YUL from YYZ (though both have pretty full European operations this summer). Nothing is shifting. Both Toronto and Mo...
Jump to postThat is a very good point, and some airports are so poorly designed for todays aviation needs and demands. I think Canadian aviation truly needs an overhaul in a lot of areas but sadly I doubt it’ll ever happen. Specifically speaking in Canada The best thing for Canadian aviation is to take the ent...
Jump to postOf course but I don't have any other updates, seeing if maybe a second or other person had any updates I had no idea of. Any update regarding the bilateral increase between Qatar & Canada with the initial plans of QR launching YYZ & YVR? I thought you told us for months now that QR had unus...
Jump to postSo the expectation is there that AC is able to perform equally as good as US/Europe carriers when Canada’s restrictions lingered on way past their peers? Again comparing with the European airlines doesn’t mean anything, as crewbunk says, how about comparing AC to Canadian airlines? It’s almost as i...
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