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by YYZYYT
Thu Jul 11, 2019 4:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Korean Air Captain Tries to Drink Inflight, FA Who Stopped Him Demoted
Replies: 85
Views: 19237

Re: Korean Air Captain Tries to Drink Inflight, FA Who Stopped Him Demoted

Ugh. Misogyny at its worst. Why make it a political / sexual thing, how do you even know the cabin chief was a she? Damn, hope you are not as quick in bed Maybe because it was already proven ( comment #23 ) that the Cabin Chief was a she. From the article: According to the report, the flight’s capt...

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by YYZYYT
Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Korean Air Captain Tries to Drink Inflight, FA Who Stopped Him Demoted
Replies: 85
Views: 19237

Re: Korean Air Captain Tries to Drink Inflight, FA Who Stopped Him Demoted

I don't know anything about Korean culture, but I do see an airline that has a serious problem. Yes, its true that they haven't flown a perfectly good 747 into the ground in the last 20 years... but the fact is that they crashed 5 aircraft in a 2-year period (more or less) in the late 1990s. How is ...

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by YYZYYT
Wed Jul 10, 2019 1:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Engine spinner detaches mid-flight.
Replies: 45
Views: 15132

Re: Engine spinner detaches mid-flight.

I read the avherald piece linked above, and the comments... apparently it's not a "spinner" at all, its a dome that is fixed to static inlet guide vanes that sit in front of the first fan disc, the way that the engine is built and mounted. It also explains why the "spinner" looks...

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by YYZYYT
Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019
Replies: 421
Views: 101023

Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

Mario, People complaining that your posts are hard to read is like: "Mummy, I don't want this unicorn! I want a unicorn with rainbow fur!" P.S. I do not intend to change the concept of my posts and adapt them to the individual needs and wishes, the same way as I do not even think about it ...

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by YYZYYT
Fri Jun 28, 2019 2:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cape air to order and be launch customer of all-electric aircraft
Replies: 84
Views: 9554

Re: Cape air to order and be launch customer of all-electric aircraft

Did you read what I wrote? Electric motors are extremely reliable; much more than batteries or IC engines. So, the weak point in electric powertrain is the battery, where as the weak point in IC powertrain is the engine; in both case, the weak point could fail suddenly, and spectacularly (i.e. in a...

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by YYZYYT
Thu Jun 27, 2019 5:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AC Passenger left on plane at remote stand at YYZ
Replies: 128
Views: 19144

Re: AC Passenger left on plane at remote stand at YYZ

I didn't say that was the case. I said, "it could", which means a few likely scenarios. Um, you want some advice? Stop talking. You said something that was simply wrong and had it pointed out - there is NO scenario in which a Rouge / 32X flight can legally operate with 1 FA in Canada. So,...

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by YYZYYT
Wed Jun 26, 2019 6:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AC Passenger left on plane at remote stand at YYZ
Replies: 128
Views: 19144

Re: AC Passenger left on plane at remote stand at YYZ

The plane landed, normally with a fair bump and she slept on. The other passengers deplaned, hardly a quite time and she slept on. Those meds must be pretty strong. No idea if this is true, and I'm sure this reply will get completely ignored-if someone quotes me and responds to my comment below, I'...

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by YYZYYT
Mon Jun 24, 2019 10:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cape air to order and be launch customer of all-electric aircraft
Replies: 84
Views: 9554

Re: Cape air to order and be launch customer of all-electric aircraft

Whats the charge time between flights on the Evation? That could make for some long turns... Good question. The trade-off, is maintenance costs will be very low, so having say 2 aircraft on a route, with 1 charging at any given time, will probably cost about the same as 1 gas powered aircraft. The ...

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by YYZYYT
Mon Jun 24, 2019 4:34 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Sues Walmart Over Jetblack
Replies: 29
Views: 3313

Re: JetBlue Sues Walmart Over Jetblack

Don't see why Jetblue is getting all this attitude... Corporations sue to protect trademarks all of the time. I guarantee you that Walmart can / has in the past / will if necessary - go ahead and try to set up a business selling widgets and call you product "Wallmax", see what happens. Cor...

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by YYZYYT
Fri Jun 21, 2019 1:29 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: 6 abreast A220 seating - Channel Airways style
Replies: 34
Views: 3022

Re: 6 abreast A220 seating - Channel Airways style

I don't understand your joke about United. I was referring to the fact that United in particular seems to be a lightning rod for "United did this to me..." stories in the media, in particular since the Dr. Dao incident. And I don't think your idea reaches the level of "psychosis"...

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by YYZYYT
Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta A220 in Chicago 6/19/19
Replies: 49
Views: 7306

Re: Delta A220 in Chicago Today

Has anyone had any similar experiences like this and got to fly a rare aircraft on accident? I flew with TAROM from STN to OTP in the early '90s and instead of the expected 737-400, we had a Tupolev 154. Rather less exotic but a first for me at the time (this was 2005 and increasingly less likely n...

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by YYZYYT
Thu Jun 20, 2019 8:46 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: 6 abreast A220 seating - Channel Airways style
Replies: 34
Views: 3022

Re: 6 abreast A220 seating - Channel Airways style

Five seats of 17" and one seat of 15" per row with a 17" aisle: 129" = (1.5"+17"+1.5"+17"+1.5"+17"+1.5") + 17" + (1.5"+17"+1.5"+15"+1.5"+17"+1.5") The 15" middle seats are not sold to adults unless k...

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by YYZYYT
Wed Jun 19, 2019 5:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Drake & CargoJet - what's the deal?!?
Replies: 19
Views: 2678

Re: Air Drake & CargoJet - what's the deal?!?

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1422421
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Did a quick check, there's a thread about it already, though it's not referred to as Air Drake (Drake isn't even mentioned):

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1422421

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by YYZYYT
Mon Jun 17, 2019 1:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead
Replies: 816
Views: 139697

Re: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead

This really begs the question: why did the pilot not go around, as the approach was clearly not stable? In my mind this goes beyond the question of "did they have enough practice in direct law" but rather speaks to basic airmanship (again, I'm not a pilot) Though, that begs the next quest...

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by YYZYYT
Fri Jun 14, 2019 9:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead
Replies: 816
Views: 139697

Re: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead

This really begs the question: why did the pilot not go around, as the approach was clearly not stable? In my mind this goes beyond the question of "did they have enough practice in direct law" but rather speaks to basic airmanship (again, I'm not a pilot) Though, that begs the next questi...

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by YYZYYT
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada imposes 'no fly' ban, demands repayment from woman after ticket scam
Replies: 116
Views: 14001

Re: Air Canada imposes 'no fly' ban, demands repayment from woman after ticket scam

When the traveler gets the "ticket" from Capt Fraud it will not have the airline PNR. That can only be obtained when the fraudster actually books the ticket with said stolen credit card. Wouldn't the traveler chase Capt Fraud for that or would they target people who are ignorant of this. ...

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by YYZYYT
Thu Jun 06, 2019 2:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada imposes 'no fly' ban, demands repayment from woman after ticket scam
Replies: 116
Views: 14001

Re: Air Canada imposes 'no fly' ban, demands repayment from woman after ticket scam

As a travel agent, here is one scam we are aware of. The traveller buys the ticket from Capt Fraud for cheaper than they can get from the airline directly. They may be innocent, or maybe they know. Capt Fraud waits until travel is almost imminent and then buys the ticket from an unwitting travel ag...

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by YYZYYT
Wed Jun 05, 2019 5:12 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: 6 abreast A220 seating - Channel Airways style
Replies: 34
Views: 3022

Re: 6 abreast A220 seating - Channel Airways style

Not sure it can be done, at least not using normal seats. The BAe 146 was a different case, while it was configured for 5 across often it is wider than the A220. Cabin width for the BAe 146 is 3.42m, which is close to the B737 at 3.54 m (or A320 at 3.70). So it's approximately 1 inch of lost width p...

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by YYZYYT
Tue Jun 04, 2019 6:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada imposes 'no fly' ban, demands repayment from woman after ticket scam
Replies: 116
Views: 14001

Re: Air Canada imposes 'no fly' ban, demands repayment from woman after ticket scam

There’s something I don’t get here, I used to about 10 years ago work for a major UK credit card company, and one of the calls we used to get on a semi regular basis was from customers stuck at check in not being able too check in as they no longer had the credit card they booked the flight on (sto...

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by YYZYYT
Tue Jun 04, 2019 5:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: IAG deciding between A220 and Embraer E2 for BA Cityflyer
Replies: 205
Views: 34443

Re: IAG deciding between A220 and Embraer E2 for BA Cityflyer

Weren't the BA CityFlyer aircraft delivered from 2009? 10 years ago? Surely too early to be making an order for replacement aircraft? Won't they have another 10 years left in them? No problem - go A220, the 2009 build aircraft will be ready for replacement by the time production ramps up! :duck: Bu...

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by YYZYYT
Tue May 28, 2019 7:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is the MD11 a dodgy aircraft?
Replies: 35
Views: 8922

Re: Is the MD11 a dodgy aircraft?

Several MD-11s and one DC-10 (UA232) have done it. Not to quibble, but UA 232 was not a hard landing -> broken wing spar -> roll, it literally cartwheeled across the field due to loss of control because of the hydraulic routing issue. Someone posted in the tech ops thread (I think) that an essentia...

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by YYZYYT
Tue May 28, 2019 2:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is the MD11 a dodgy aircraft?
Replies: 35
Views: 8922

Re: Is the MD11 a dodgy aircraft?

touchy on landing yes, but "dodgy" is farther than I would go. There is a good discussion in tech/ops: https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=1400953 Also, I wouldn't go so far as to say that MD had a history of dodgy aircraft, either. While the DC-10 certainly had issues,...

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by YYZYYT
Mon May 27, 2019 3:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Tries to Seat 2-,4-,6-Year Old Children Separate from Parents
Replies: 105
Views: 13329

Re: United Tries to Seat 2-,4-,6-Year Old Children Separate from Parents

Now, what of the case where there was a rebooking/reaccommodation of travel and our example family that was originally seated together now are accommodated onto a new flight. It would follow then that they will be placed where there are open seats. An airline cannot force someone else to move to re...

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by YYZYYT
Fri May 24, 2019 5:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 12.000th Airbus delivery
Replies: 33
Views: 7134

Re: 12.000th Airbus delivery

That is amazing: out of the11,995 aircraft delivered, 10,926 are still operation? Can't believe that. Well, after calculating the entire day, making cross-checks, peer-reviews and so on I came to the conclusion that .... hmmm .... :scratchchin: ....1,069 aircraft are no longer in operation. I think...

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by YYZYYT
Fri May 24, 2019 5:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Financial effect of the 737MAX grounding
Replies: 61
Views: 6638

Re: Financial effect of the 737MAX grounding

Would they pay airlines compensation much more than the going lease rates? More than say half million a month? Plus there is the cost of storage and training, but a billion a month seems high. 500k is the leasing COST to the airline. What does the airline expect to earn by flying the thing during t...

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by YYZYYT
Thu May 23, 2019 5:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Tries to Seat 2-,4-,6-Year Old Children Separate from Parents
Replies: 105
Views: 13329

Re: United Tries to Seat 2-,4-,6-Year Old Children Separate from Parents

Hey, I’m Lois Herbert - I was made aware of this post today. I read it when I got into work this morning, so can’t remember all the comments. Myself, husband and our three kids all have the same surname. We paid for the upgrade, and actually double checked our seats a few times prior to our outboun...

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by YYZYYT
Wed May 22, 2019 6:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Tries to Seat 2-,4-,6-Year Old Children Separate from Parents
Replies: 105
Views: 13329

Re: United Tries to Seat 2-,4-,6-Year Old Children Separate from Parents

This is correct. I had a bad experience with DL at LAX last summer. Thanks to an AA cancellation (big shocker, I know), we booked LAX-OGG on about 24 hours notice for our family of four. We initially didn't have seats, and for some reason when the 752 was upgraded to a 753, we still couldn't pick s...

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by YYZYYT
Wed May 22, 2019 5:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?
Replies: 76
Views: 10531

Re: What Will Replace DL's 757-351?

klm617 wrote:
FlyHPN wrote:
zeke wrote:
744 and L-1011


This! This is the answer!


I myself think the DC-8-63 is the most logical replacement.


:thumbsup: Fuselage commonality will lead to significant efficiencies





Wait - is this (finally) a "true 757 replacement"?

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by YYZYYT
Fri May 10, 2019 5:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Canada Jazz plane collides with fuel tanker truck at Toronto Pearson
Replies: 47
Views: 8021

Re: Air Canada Jazz plane collides with fuel tanker truck at Toronto Pearson

The article says that the flight had landed and was taxiing to the terminal, so I'm guessing that the engine was running. If so, it's lucky that it wasn't much much worse, I'm imagining that propeller carving up the truck's cab or even worse, a tank full of fuel (and also imagining where that fuel c...

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by YYZYYT
Fri May 10, 2019 3:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead
Replies: 816
Views: 139697

Re: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead

If you can get them to pay attention by showing something actually attention-grabbing, you can hope they will retain a shred of information. Slim hope, but better than nothing. I'm not sure that retaining a shred of useless information really makes anyone better off. That TK video where Batman cont...

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by YYZYYT
Mon May 06, 2019 9:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead
Replies: 816
Views: 139697

Re: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead

And per the report apparently a FA died when trying to open the door at the back. Could that action actually accelerated the spread of the fire and smoke into the cabin? Very very doubtful in my opinion. I doubt the flight attendant in the back even attempted to open a door with that massive fire. ...

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by YYZYYT
Fri May 03, 2019 4:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: First Delta A330neo Rolls Out Of Paintshop
Replies: 104
Views: 32644

Re: First Delta A330neo Rolls Out Of Paintshop

Exactly. Part of why I don't like the new AC livery much, they copied the raccoon mask. The mask around the cockpit windows on Air Canada's new livery is homage to the Thunderbird on Western Canadian Totem Poles. Nothing to do with a raccoon. https://seetheworld.travelforkids.com/wp-content/uploads...

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by YYZYYT
Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:13 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: What are the chances that a single-engine pilot could land a 707?
Replies: 43
Views: 4652

Re: What are the chances that a single-engine pilot could land a 707?

Airplane! (1980), not written by Arthur Hailey , but which borrowed the plot and central characters from Zero Hour! Airplane! also borrowed a LOT of dialogue word-for-word from Zero Hour! as well as the piston engine sound effect used whenever the 707 is seen in flight. :checkmark: I'd go even fart...

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by YYZYYT
Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:56 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: What are the chances that a single-engine pilot could land a 707?
Replies: 43
Views: 4652

Re: What are the chances that a single-engine pilot could land a 707?

A fighter pilot land a 707? Surely you can't be serious.

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by YYZYYT
Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:15 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: AC 789’s ... are all of them repainted now?
Replies: 1
Views: 779

Re: AC 789’s ... are all of them repainted now?

Don't know the answer re how many left in the toothpaste livery, but I'm pretty sure I saw one as I drove past YYZ Thursday (or possibly Wednesday).

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by YYZYYT
Wed Mar 27, 2019 12:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LH to order 100 B737MAX or A320NEO next year
Replies: 211
Views: 35300

Re: LH to order 100 B737MAX or A320NEO next year

ctrabs0114 wrote:

I don't disagree with that assessment, but LH Group has no 737s among any of their brands. That's why I made the observation.


Once upon a time, LH had no 777 among any of their brands. And then they did.

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by YYZYYT
Tue Mar 26, 2019 2:51 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: How much time and money would longer landing gear have cost Boeing?
Replies: 10
Views: 1908

Re: How much time and money would longer landing gear have cost Boeing?

Surely, this is a result of the back to the great NSA / NEO flipflop from a few years back? Boeing appeared to about to launch a clean-sheet single aisle to replace the 737 but Airbus got the jump on it with the NEO, with thousands of orders virtually overnight. As I understand it (from many long di...

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by YYZYYT
Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:58 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Dash 8 Q400 VS Jet
Replies: 3
Views: 1701

Re: Dash 8 Q400 VS Jet

Hi everyone, Largest operators of the Dash 8 Q400 are located in Nothern America (Horizon, Jazz, Porter, etc). After a recent read of a Leeham article "Regional Operation with the Turboprop, Prop-jet or jet" (https://leehamnews.com/2015/02/08/regional-choice-turboprop-prop-jet-or-jet-we-a...

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by YYZYYT
Fri Mar 22, 2019 11:49 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: MAX nacelle, AOA, center of lift, and C/G
Replies: 193
Views: 14189

Re: MAX nacelle, AOA, center of lift, and C/G

I've been wondering how the change in engine placement / size would result in an increased tendency yo pitch up (it's counter-intuitive, as the larger engine, farther forward would suggest CG shifted forward). The comment re thrust vector orientation makes sense. I also recall seeing reference to ai...

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by YYZYYT
Mon Mar 11, 2019 4:28 pm
Forum: Site Related
Topic: New factual information flag
Replies: 10
Views: 2612

Re: New factual information flag

On a personal level, I don't see the point in those long-running accident threads anyway. The discussion is largely dominated by speculation, rumors which usually prove false, and people frankly who don't have much of a clue what they're talking about. Meaningful discussion that occurs after an acc...

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by YYZYYT
Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:36 pm
Forum: Site Related
Topic: New factual information flag
Replies: 10
Views: 2612

Re: Getting Information About a Serious Incident

Something similar was suggested last week. http://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=1416585 As I said there, such an idea would be a complex one for us to tackle. I like the idea, and and I think it's worth exploring, but we need to ensure that our role as forum moderators isn't misu...

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by YYZYYT
Mon Mar 11, 2019 3:12 pm
Forum: Site Related
Topic: New factual information flag
Replies: 10
Views: 2612

Getting Information About a Serious Incident

The recent tragedy involving ET 302 has me asking the same question as prior incidents. When something like this happens it's subject to intense interest and scrutiny and (understandably) threads about incidents immediately receive hundreds and hundreds and posts. The problem is that the vast majori...

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by YYZYYT
Wed Feb 13, 2019 9:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The “new” Flair Airlines coming Feb 13th
Replies: 62
Views: 9677

Re: The “new” Flair Airlines coming Feb 13th

It's bold and fresh and says LCC very loudly, not bad. I think it will create more recall than the previous mess, looks somewhat European with a hint of S7. :checkmark: I like the black nose, but more importantly for flair, it is their logo when viewed from the front and makes the aircraft very dis...

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by YYZYYT
Tue Jan 29, 2019 4:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: ANA Orders up to 40 737MAX and 18 A320neo
Replies: 37
Views: 11037

Re: ANA Orders up to 40 737MAX and 18 A320neo

Momo1435 wrote:
Edit

The Japanese press release is the clearest, it's indeed 20 + 10.

they're consistent, release quoted in post 10 (on ANA's website) says

"ANA HD decided to place 30 aircraft on order, including 10 optional."

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by YYZYYT
Tue Jan 29, 2019 3:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019
Replies: 421
Views: 101023

Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

The pattern over 2017 and 2018 has been a slow start to the year and a faster pace later. Also, I would imagine there is a push to finish, test and deliver aircraft to get them out before year end. This is how you get to 8 December deliveries (6 aircraft actually handed over) which is well more than...

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by YYZYYT
Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 Receives ETOPS 180 Certification
Replies: 35
Views: 8424

Re: Airbus A220 Receives ETOPS 180 Certification

Don't forget ETOPS is not only worth a penny above water.. Also the African continent has areas where one could really use ETOPS180. I’ve never thought about ETOPS over land. That’s super interesting. Which areas of Africa? I was wondering the same thing - Great Circle Mapper (not sure if it is 100...

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by YYZYYT
Mon Jan 14, 2019 3:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Stowaway bird found on Singapore Airlines flight
Replies: 24
Views: 3601

Re: Stowaway bird found on Singapore Airlines flight

But was it flapping its wings? Did it affect the weight calculations?

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by YYZYYT
Wed Jan 09, 2019 6:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019
Replies: 421
Views: 101023

Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Delivery/Production Thread - 2019

I saw in the Delta release for the increased order that they expect to break ground on the Mobile FAL this month. I think Airbus are taking the A220 very seriously and looking to upgrade capacity accordingly. FYI, in case you haven't seen it (I've been away, so this comments was the first I heard o...

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by YYZYYT
Fri Dec 21, 2018 8:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Brexit: ‘IB wouldn’t be able to fly in Spain in case of no deal’
Replies: 145
Views: 21655

Re: Brexit: ‘IB wouldn’t be able to fly in Spain in case of no deal’

Legal issues have a way of sorting themselves out, so I sincerely doubt there would be any issues with IB not being able to operate. Worst case scenario would be that IAG sells a percentage of IB to a European partner, but it's not clear it would need to go that far. Obviously. I'm sure that there ...

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by YYZYYT
Tue Dec 18, 2018 5:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Production/Delivery Thread 2018
Replies: 538
Views: 172638

Re: Airbus A220 (CSeries) Production/Delivery Thread 2018

The target I saw was 40 as of June so they were 25% short if they only get to 30. https://www.mro-network.com/manufacturing-distribution/c-series-delivery-pace-short-full-year-target Thanks - not sure where I got the 30 figure from... So while 5 in December would be a good end to the year, they're ...

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