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by joeman
Thu May 30, 2019 7:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79164

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

filler....a double do

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by joeman
Thu May 30, 2019 7:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79164

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Sorry, I probably shouldn't have said anything. If my rumor comes true it won't generate anything like a new hub, but it would probably generate one very nice new route. That would seem to indicate that CLE is by definition not automatically out of the competition as so widely and ignorantly believ...

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by joeman
Thu May 30, 2019 7:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79164

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Massey! You can't tease us like that. Please share the rumor. Sorry, I probably shouldn't have said anything. If my rumor comes true it won't generate anything like a new hub, but it would probably generate one very nice new route. That would seem to indicate that CLE is by definition not automatic...

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by joeman
Thu May 30, 2019 6:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79164

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Thanks for this list. Surprisingly some numbers lower than expected, even if it is January. AC to YYZ is particularly low. What's the source of the data? The outrageous fares AC charges on CLE-YYZ maybe compensates their bank account but turns off potential customers, lightens load weight, and furt...

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by joeman
Thu May 30, 2019 3:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79164

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

This is a slender thread to hang on ... but ... IcelandAir has not removed CLE from its route map and destination list. DFW, another discontinued city, HAS been dropped from the map/dest. list. I wonder if they are planning to try again after the Max grounding thing is over - say spring of '20. Las...

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by joeman
Wed May 29, 2019 11:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lack of Transatlantic Service from Ohio
Replies: 86
Views: 8191

Re: Lack of Transatlantic Service from Ohio

ILNFlyer wrote:
Demand. If demand and yields are there, the airlines would provide the service. Simple as that.

The cash incentives offered by our neighbors don't seem to hurt either

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by joeman
Sat May 11, 2019 1:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Rest of Ohio - 2019
Replies: 502
Views: 69466

Re: The Rest of Ohio - 2019

Interesting reading the Cleveland thread. A couple of people concerned about the $15M the state has allocated for airports to entice flights. Their concern is how the money will be divided up. They think CMH will be get lions share, because the state, in their eyes, always favors Columbus. They don...

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by joeman
Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79164

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

http://www.cleveland19.com/story/386535 ... or-cities/
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Remembering a UA announcement of 2 daily year round to both LAX and SFO
http://www.cleveland19.com/story/386535 ... or-cities/

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by joeman
Fri Apr 12, 2019 3:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CLE prior to UA hub closure
Replies: 32
Views: 3913

Re: CLE prior to UA hub closure

September11 wrote:
Did CLE have a United 747 flight?

ORD, MIA 1 winter season, from LAX 1 season (I flew it), and from LAX 1 season with DC-10 in the opposite direction

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by joeman
Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79164

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

I get that the max issues are outside of the airlines control but this whole thing is very bush league the more I think about it. The airline has a special message on its website not to be concerned. Days earlier the PD wrote a well researched article to say the route would stay. The route was pull...

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by joeman
Tue Mar 26, 2019 5:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79164

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

...and we thought no competition after WW would strengthen FI presence going forward. This blow would be a good timing for another carrier to make a splash with something actually new (like stable SEA service) but I finally accept all the "was gonna" scenarios CLE has had over the years on...

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by joeman
Mon Mar 04, 2019 3:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79164

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

If EI claims it is evaluating upwards of 15 North American destinations right now, I wonder if there aren't more billboards like these in other cities. Like NCFlyer said, maybe it's a test for each of these routes to see with ones generate the most excitement? A billboard with the largest word bein...

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by joeman
Sun Mar 03, 2019 8:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79164

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Jist spotted an Aer Lingus billboard heading north on 237 just after you leave the airport advertising CLE-DUB service.....did I miss something?!? Just saw it too. A depiction of Ohio in yellow/beige, the word Failte' (meaning welcome) enlarged in the middle, and a depiction of Ireland in Green. Th...

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by joeman
Sun Mar 03, 2019 6:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79164

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Robert1010 wrote:
I think service to any of the 4 mega hubs would be better.

Also on a sidebar FI website I find difficult to navigate , I wish they would do what Allegiant does and only show days of actual flts

Agreed on all the above

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by joeman
Sun Mar 03, 2019 3:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79164

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

Browsing on Icelandair's site, it appears the fares are substantially higher than last summer, ranging from $371 to just under $200 for the lowest one-way no-bags fare to KEF depending on the day of travel. There is one cheap day (which varies) per week. So it's fairly easy to find a $650 round tri...

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by joeman
Fri Mar 01, 2019 12:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79164

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

https://www.dispatch.com/content/storie ... appen.html

The Columbus Dispatch on same as above
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https://www.dispatch.com/content/storie ... appen.html

The Columbus Dispatch on same as above

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by joeman
Sat Feb 23, 2019 3:28 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Is AA's PHL-LHR the worst performing LHR route?
Replies: 58
Views: 14653

Re: Is AA's PHL-LHR the worst performing LHR route?

Facinating suggestion... Nothing against PHL, just our armchair a.netter CEO's who know so much about airline "metrics". I thought considering the a.netter vulchers with their media fed contempt for former Midwest/ "rust belt" or other hubs that supposedly just can't make it happ...

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by joeman
Thu Feb 07, 2019 4:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 654
Views: 79164

Re: Cleveland Aviation Thread - 2019

These people who call for a regional airport authority are weakening the region further as it pulls the asset from the core. If the issue is crappy management (and I get it: uber drop-off fiasco, insufficient parking, no int'l service to europe, etc.) get a better port control director. In the wors...

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by joeman
Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Houston is also currently the 2nd largest market in the U.S. (after NYC) that doesn't currently have any nonstop service out of CLE on any LCC's or ULCC's, and Houston is also currently the largest market in the U.S. that doesn't currently have nonstop service out of CLE on more than 1 airline. Whe...

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by joeman
Tue Dec 25, 2018 1:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

If you add Youngstown-Warren, OH-PA Combined Statistical Area, 645,003. We're stuck with two underperforming airports in a large, but stagnant region...A professionally-run, as non-political as feasible, regional airport commission for CLE would be helpful in advancing the interests of CLE. I'm all...

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by joeman
Sun Dec 09, 2018 9:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Runway28L wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
Looks like UA is pulling the plug on CLE-BOS in March. They lasted longer than I expected.

Wouldn't be surprised if DL jumps on this route.

Nice opportunity for B6 to add frequencies as well.

Yay B6/NK!!!

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by joeman
Wed Nov 28, 2018 11:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Happy to hear Icelandair advertising on radio this morning accepting reservations for spring

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by joeman
Tue Nov 20, 2018 2:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

S19 v S18 will see slight ASM growth but departure count down from 22 to 21. As mentioned 1 LAS swapped for 1 DEN, 1 MDW swapped to STL, 1 MDW dropped. Longer stage lengths to STL and DEN, by my rough calculations, show about a 2% increase in ASM despite the lower departure count. YAY SW Literally ...

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by joeman
Fri Oct 19, 2018 1:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Obviously winter months are slow for travel to Iceland, but if they can’t make up the difference (on a lowly 737) with Europe-bound connections, that’s pretty unimpressive. But hey, any day now for a major long-haul carrier with 777’s, right? We all realize CLE is no CHS now about to get seasonal B...

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by joeman
Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Exactly, CLE wasn't the only city to get hosed by our "committed carriers", but a.netters outside the region of speculation almost always side with any airline PR/stats as gospel tHe CleVeLAnd HuB nEveR MadE a pROfiT eVerrrrrr Is there some sort of hidden message in here or something? Pro...

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by joeman
Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Just like STL you all got hosed by WW. Watch this and note the part of the 5-Sept email WW send to the airport. Then they totally change their mind in the PR release and make the airport/city look like it was them. https://www.kmov.com/news/wow-air-pulling-out-of-st-louis-saying-summer-performance/...

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by joeman
Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

To add to the reply above: I did a quick and dirty estimate based on June international numbers out of CLE that said CLE traffic was somewhere around 130-140 pax per KEF flight (5 weekly by FI; 4 weekly by WW). That's not so bad if you are FI flying 160-pax B737Ms; but not so great if you're WW flyi...

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by joeman
Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

N766UA wrote:
You’d better believe any foreign carriers with even a smidge of interest in maybe flying to Cleveland will take notice.

I'd expect the same for STL

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by joeman
Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WW ending STL, CVG, CLE
Replies: 136
Views: 15719

Re: WW ending STL

It sounds like STL was requiring WW to operate service year round to receive the subsidy, where perhaps other airports were only requiring seasonal service for their subsidies. Maybe the winter operation created too much red ink. Perhaps WW simply looked at the losses they were incurring to operate...

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by joeman
Tue Oct 16, 2018 5:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Scene magazine article on WOW ending CLE: https://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2018/10/16/wow-air-announces-it-will-permanently-end-direct-flights-out-of-cleveland-at-the-end-of-this-month No surprise as practically anticipated by all. Should free up some of the incentive cash offered...

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by joeman
Sun Oct 07, 2018 2:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alaska Airlines to announce new markets soon
Replies: 631
Views: 66553

Re: Alaska Airlines to announce new markets soon

with maybe 40 flights annually on F9: CLE-SEA, can't believe F9 has actually kept it alive at all given their consistency track record

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by joeman
Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

As for the air service at CLE, I don't think it is really lucky to have the service it does nor does it "deserve" more. The amount of service it has is pretty typical for a city its size. Would it be nice to have a few more routes and a flight to continental Europe, sure. Agreed. I don't ...

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by joeman
Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Global warming + sunbelt = actual rust belt & CLE renaissance Every year the government says the Southwest will run out of water the following year. Maybe one day it actually will, stopping the Midwestern population decline. As it is, Millenials $&!#* about the high cost of housing along th...

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by joeman
Thu Sep 13, 2018 11:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Geowizical wrote:
Does CLE-AZA still exist, or was the Allegiant suspension news just false reporting with old route information?

Who knows? G4 started CLE-AZA during winter 2017 when they 1st opened CLE and not since.

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by joeman
Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Like many, I believe WW will bow out of the sudden CLE-KEV saturation and that FI is now changing the proposed winter service due to their recent negative financial publicity. For a long time I thought before US "2nd tier" TATL broke out that FI could maybe make a CLE-Europe work and I bel...

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by joeman
Sun Sep 09, 2018 1:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WW and FI Both Suspend Cleveland
Replies: 84
Views: 9365

Re: WW and FI Both Suspend Cleveland

Like many, I believe WW will bow out of the sudden CLE-KEV saturation and that FI is now changing the proposed winter service due to their recent negative financial publicity. For a long time I thought before US "2nd tier" TATL broke out that FI could maybe make a CLE-Europe work and I bel...

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by joeman
Tue Sep 04, 2018 10:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Trk1 wrote:

When's Kennedy going to make the new TATL announcement for 2019 service?

I'm not optimistic at all, hope I'm wrong...

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by joeman
Tue Sep 04, 2018 3:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

So possibly ends another debate on CLE getting the shaft on year round TATL or TATL at all after all the a.netter CO hub debate ending with a conclusion that such a concept can't work. Glad TATL finally broke out from our "second tier" or I mean second rate cities per a.net snobs. Hope CMH...

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by joeman
Sat Sep 01, 2018 4:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Just heard that AS will begin CMH-SEA service in March 2019. CLE-SEA has about 75% MORE demand than does CMH. Makes no sense. Year Qtr Market Pax both ways combined 2017 2 CMH-SEA 241 2017 3 CMH-SEA 288 2017 2 CLE-SEA 341 2017 3 CLE-SEA 463 Who’s to say that CLE isn’t coming soon? AS clearly has ex...

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by joeman
Mon Aug 06, 2018 9:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

I took a few pix of the Port Authority's awesome FIS at Dock 28 next to the stadium, but can't upload them. You can see it on my Facebook page if you want. https://www.facebook.com/robert.salmon.716 Wow, looks like an abandoned trailer from a rural area or a fort I built for some kids back in the d...

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by joeman
Fri Aug 03, 2018 1:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

We have a similar situation in PDX but there they have a shuttle bus that takes us, after clearing customs, straight to the bag claim hall. If I'm not mistaking a shuttle bus was also used at CLE during the CO international flight days...The below level was a single story concourse before being dou...

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by joeman
Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Filler again, posted 3 times, no luck with delete post option.

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by joeman
Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

filler

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by joeman
Thu Aug 02, 2018 8:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

I thought the first transatlantic service from Hopkins was on JAT Yugoslavia... Not sure if JAT service was a "regular schedule" or operated much like the seasonal weekly "charters" of World Airways/Condor to Frankfurt, Rich International/Air Canada to London, and I believe even...

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by joeman
Wed Aug 01, 2018 2:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

You're absolutely correct. CO began CLE-LGW in June 1999, the height of their hub ops with about 300 daily flights. On year later the PD reported the flight was doing "jolly well" and ahead of expectations. Shortly after, CO started whining they weren't getting enough connecting traffic an...

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by joeman
Wed Jul 25, 2018 7:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

I wonder how the earlier referenced and supposedly in the works additional TATL to the European mainland is doing

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by joeman
Fri Jul 20, 2018 2:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Ok it’s official we have a quorum. Fantastic. CLEguy, mbm3, and me. I’m going to suggest a couple of times by the end of the weekend. It’ll be a little awkward to coordinate times over a forum but I don’t know how else to do it. Normally I’d gather ideas for an agenda ahead of time, but that is tou...

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by joeman
Wed Jul 11, 2018 3:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1635
Views: 151377

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

All the shade being thrown at City Hall for the condition of the airport might be a good reason for the business community and media to push for a separate regional authority to oversee the airport, perhaps including BKL and CAK, so the City admin can concentrate on constituent gripes, but it won't ...

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