Re: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep SouthWest Airlines Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training

I generally agree with the assessment of how these types of lawsuits originate. However, every once in a while something gets uncovered through the civil discovery process in a lawsuit. I think the Max is a safe airplane after the modifications. However, fixing the problem and getting to the bottom...

Re: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep SouthWest Airlines Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training

I generally agree with the assessment of how these types of lawsuits originate. However, every once in a while something gets uncovered through the civil discovery process in a lawsuit. I think the Max is a safe airplane after the modifications. However, fixing the problem and getting to the bottom...

Re: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep SouthWest Airlines Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training

Where would Boeing be now if they had not accepted the pressure from Southwest to keep the 737 a 1960's airplane. If Boeing had looked at the long game versus the short and saw the need for even a simple EICAS system in the development of the NG and the MAX they would perhaps not be in the position...

Re: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep SouthWest Airlines Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training

Many may not know that SWA had covers placed over switches in the 737 -300’s and ‘500’s for years covering items different than the -200. Autobrakes, autothrottles, VNAV and LNAV were covered to prevent usage by pilots. This was all to prevent the need train pilots on how to use these systems. Also...

Re: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep SouthWest Airlines Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training

Many may not know that SWA had covers placed over switches in the 737 -300’s and ‘500’s for years covering items different than the -200. Autobrakes, autothrottles, VNAV and LNAV were covered to prevent usage by pilots. This was all to prevent the need train pilots on how to use these systems. Also...

Re: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep SouthWest Airlines Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training

I'd be curious to know if Boeing solicited feedback on this from other significant customers, such as United, Alaska, etc.? Putting all of your eggs in one basket and solely relying on one carrier's input is very short-sighted, if that is indeed what took place. Regardless of what WN said/didn't sa...

Re: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep SouthWest Airlines Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training

This is not surprising at all with the culture of Boeing and Southwest. Boeing was in control on this. They could’ve just said, “no”. What would Southwest do? Go to airbus? It’s entirely possible that is what Boeing did. The articles do not allege that Boeing actually did what Southwest suggested. ...

Re: Unserved/Underserved US Routes Thread

maps4ltd wrote:

SLC-RSW, LAX-RSW, PDX-PHL

Re: Changes in leadership at Boeing

It has been damage control for too long. With so many delayed programs and deliveries they have too much on their table to do the real future proofing and investments. At the same time Airbus expands. A new strategy would be needed in any case. And MUCH more of a vision for my taste. So where is th...

Re: Changes in leadership at Boeing

It has been damage control for too long. With so many delayed programs and deliveries they have too much on their table to do the real future proofing and investments. At the same time Airbus expands. A new strategy would be needed in any case. And MUCH more of a vision for my taste. So where is th...

Re: Avolon CEO says Boeing has "lost its way"

If Boeing can come back from the horrible downturn in the early 70s, it can turn this around, too. But they had stalwarts like Malcom Stamper to turn the thing around. The last decent executive that Boeing had was Alan Mulally. McNerney was brought in to fix Stonecipher’s mess but while he righted ...

Re: Avolon CEO says Boeing has "lost its way"

In a name…The Lazy Bee. Stuff like this really makes me mad. Sure Boeing has been badly mismanaged for 25 years. But everyone I know is slammed with work and working very hard. With the exception of the self-serving leadership, no-one is Lazy right now. Apologies @BoeingGuy, it was meant in jest. S...

Re: Avolon CEO says Boeing has "lost its way"

DFW17L wrote:

In a name…The Lazy Bee.

Re: Avolon CEO says Boeing has "lost its way"

For what it's worth, from my armchair, I agree with him. And moving the bigwigs to Washington, DC is NOT the right direction; it implies that Boeing plans to base their future on being a politically influential entity, rather than a leader in engineering or product relevance. I agree with it too. I...

Re: Six arrests after brawl on board KLM flight

Six Britons have been arrested at Schiphol Airport for a fight on board an aircraft. It happened on a KLM flight this morning from Manchester to Amsterdam. https://nos.nl/artikel/2427654-arrestaties-na-knokpartij-aan-boord-klm-vlucht-naar-amsterdam https://mobile.twitter.com/MayaWilkinsonx/status/1...

Re: DL A220 rough landing, near-tailstrike at MSP

Any pilots here have a guess why he had so much difficulty de-rotating?

Re: Boeings 1Q22 Earnings

Five years ago speculation that Boeing could call this far and this badly, and largely from their own mis-actions would have been considered silly and stupid. Questions about Boeing's survival five years from now are far more realistic. Some sort of buyout or drastic reorganization are not out of t...

Re: American 727 tribute

Always like the 727 in the AA livery. Especially this one at DTW (my home airport as a kid). https://www.airliners.net/photo/American-Airlines/Boeing-727-23/1331329 One memory I have late 1994/95 was flying ORD-SEA and the every so gentle rotation on takeoff. Seated right side in that gaggle of sea...

Re: Boeings 1Q22 Earnings

The image is okay. The more concerning thing is how credible do they move ahead in commercial airplanes? Do they invest long term or do they just milk legacy programs? Needing their investment budget to fix what they mismanaged before and to lift the stock. MDD (and Convair and Lockheed before) mov...

Re: Boeings 1Q22 Earnings

I worked for a company in the 80's that was eventually absorbed into Boeing. I have a very small pension from them. Once I was eligible for this pension, I decided to take a lump sum as I don't trust anything Boeing. Yes, I do know that pensions are supposedly independent of the company management,...

Re: Boeings 1Q22 Earnings

I really hate to see what Boeing has become. A company that built the 747 in an era of transistors, where no one was even sure such a heavy aircraft could lift off, they just redefined the flying universe. And now the 787 debacle, the 737-MAX debacle and now looks like the 777X debacle. All because...

Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Network and News Discussion - 2022

The MSA on the west coast that has the closest population to Anchorage is Salem, OR. Salem has about 433,000, Anchorage has about 400,000. Salem also doesn’t have HNL service. I think with AS needing to thin the operation, ANC-HNL makes sense, as much as it sucks for Alaskans. If it was the choice ...

Re: Airports You've Transited Through In Cities You've Never Visited

Brussels (SN/AA)
Nairobi (BA/ET)
St. Louis (AA)
Cincinnati (DL)

A few more that I drove away from but didn’t really visit like SLC.

Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Network and News Discussion - 2022

N5301D wrote:

USAirKid wrote:

Especially if you’re not Delta.

Well, Delta has a good pilot contract, and isn't worried about people on IOE leaving the next day for a better deal.

Re: Mike Tyson Punches Passenger on JetBlue Flight

Yes, the guy was an obnoxious idiot, no that does not excuse a passenger taking matters into his own hands ( or fists). Why didn't Tyson simply call the crew and advise them he was being harassed by the other passenger and get them to deal with the issue? I also find it frankly alarming that some p...

Re: DL 3737 diversion

Acey wrote:

It's weather as mentioned but OP just so you're aware, Calgary is a major city of over one million, we do have a hospital or two here. .

Re: Airport codes different from where you expect them to be

BoeingERJ1000 wrote:

I'll say CAN for Guangzhou.

Re: Boeing 737 Max Netflix documentary- Downfall

And in the case of the VW scandal, the engg manager in charge was produced in shackles in court and sentenced to 7 years in prison. A bit more difficult to do in this case, as many of the decisions and decision-makers who led to the tragic events, were in the McNerney era. Muilenberg, incompetent t...

Re: Pilots of 777s and 787s warned over pitch-guidance mode slip before take-off

It's unacceptable for pilots to not have the basic skill and common sense to take off correctly in these situations. But I am puzzled at the general lack of caring over this bug. Any bug should be patched. I'd argue that even competent pilots under really bad circumstances (engine seizure at V-1, h...

Re: airplane gliding

Modern jetliners like the 777 have at least a 20:1 glide ratio. The 787 glide ratio is supposedly so high it’s proprietary information. I don’t know the exact number. I assume Airbus models are equally efficient. The rule of thumb that I’ve heard is 2 miles gliding for every 1000 of altitude loss, ...

Re: Pilots of 777s and 787s warned over pitch-guidance mode slip before take-off

Yes, or maybe not follow erroneous Flight Director guidance that tells you to descend when you are 200 feet off the ground after takeoff. That’s not rocket science either. Fantastic idea. ;) A little proper piloting while performing the pilot's duty never hurt anyone. True. But I am no pilot and I ...

Re: RUMOUR has it....UA making a play for AS soon

LCDFlight wrote:

UA would LOVE to acquire AS. But the DOJ will not be receptive to mega-carriers growing bigger.

Re: RUMOUR has it....UA making a play for AS soon

airlinepeanuts wrote:

AS and UA have always had a close relationship prior to AS joining OW. UA almost bought QX when AS bought it. I could see it happening.

Re: Pilots of 777s and 787s warned over pitch-guidance mode slip before take-off

It’s been a few years but as I recall when taking the runway you check your mode on the ADI just before adding power . It’s not rocket science ! Yes, or maybe not follow erroneous Flight Director guidance that tells you to descend when you are 200 feet off the ground after takeoff. That’s not rocke...

Re: Pilots of 777s and 787s warned over pitch-guidance mode slip before take-off

I found this quote from the FAA information bulletin interesting: If in ALT mode while on the ground, pressing TO/GA switch will have no effect on pitch mode or guidance. Selecting both F/Ds “OFF” then “ON” while on the ground will restore intended, default TO/GA pitch guidance. Basically, if pilot...

Re: Pilots of 777s and 787s warned over pitch-guidance mode slip before take-off

zeke wrote:

Cannot read the second link, is this related to the EK takeoff and low level off out of DXB ?

Re: Pilots of 777s and 787s warned over pitch-guidance mode slip before take-off

Isn't this somewhat similar to the uncontrolled pitch issues with the 777X a while back... suddenly/mistakenly switching between modes (thought at altitude, not at takeoff)? Not at all. It’s an inadvertent engagement of the Altitude Hold mode prior to takeoff, which then provides guidance back to r...

Re: Downfall: The case against Boeing.

It was hidden Boeing NEVER informed pilots of an MCAS system. It took a jury less than one hour of deliberation to acquit Mark Forkner of charges of misleading federal regulators. Forkner wasn't told of the changes to MCAS and as a result the pilots weren't told of the change. It was his responsibi...

Re: Downfall: The case against Boeing.

IMHO this was allowed to happen because Boeing management made the assumption that any failure would be recognized as a runaway trim situation that any pilot would recognize and take the appropriate action (which is a layered assumption in and of itself). This allowed them to sweep MCAS under the r...

Re: Downfall: The case against Boeing.

if abs( abs(L_AOA) - abs(R_AOA) ) > x_somevalue mcas_avail = false master_caution_illum_FLT_CONT = true disp(eicas.caution.AOA_Disagree) disp(eicas.caution.MCAS_Unavail) end In the checklist: Increase all stall speeds by 5-10 knots Land as soon as practicable I'm an aerospace engineer and know full...

Re: American Airlines Fleet Thread - 2022

Here is an article from Simple Flying. But I call BS as some of you said other 787s parked there aren’t wrapped. The plane in question is almost a year and half old. https://simpleflying.com/american-airlines-boeing-787-black-plastic-wrap/ I live about 2 miles from PAE and drive by it regularly. Th...

Re: JAL and AA codeshare question

The JAL baggage rules for the ORD-NRT-BKK segment will dominate. Look at what JAL allows for US to Southeast Asia. That will be your answer.

Re: What is the shortest flight from your airport?

gunsontheroof wrote:

For SEA, SEA-BLI is 93 miles. If you count cargo, SEA-MVW is 71 miles and SEA-CLM is 72.

Re: American Airlines Route Map

AA lost it's way about 7-8 years ago, daily it gets hard to see this legendary airline giant become just simply an operator of aircraft. A flying bus. It has no image. There is no brand identity that gives anyone I can think of a warm and fuzzy feel. They take your money, they may operate the fligh...

Re: American Airlines Fleet Thread - 2022

Why is it stored with a black tarp around the fuselage like that? The other stored 787s do not have that, as far as I’ve seen. Long term storage and to prevent damage to the pain. PAE isn’t like MHV, VCV, GYR or ROW. Boeing has never stored a plane like this in Pacific Northwest though (whether tha...

Re: American Airlines Fleet Thread - 2022

There’s a picture of an AA 787 with a black wrap wrapped around the fuselage, the tail isn’t covered. Anyone know anything about it? I saw it on Facebook, and I don’t know how to post pictures on this site.. It at PAE right next to Highway 526. I drove by it yesterday. I’ll see if I can find out an...

Re: Oregon Aviation Thread - 2022

For most of the trips I’ve taken out of PDX in the past year, AS is completely uncompetitive both on schedule and price. I’m sure loyal AS fliers are still booking regularly with them, but I’ve flown more on WN, AA, UA and even DL lately. Destinations I’ve flown to recently include DCA, MCI, OMA, S...

Re: American Airlines Fleet Thread - 2022

There’s a picture of an AA 787 with a black wrap wrapped around the fuselage, the tail isn’t covered. Anyone know anything about it? I saw it on Facebook, and I don’t know how to post pictures on this site.. It at PAE right next to Highway 526. I drove by it yesterday. I’ll see if I can find out an...

Re: Delta’s long term SLC plans

Why is Eurowings Discover starting SLC? They pulled names out of a hat and SLC won. In seriousness, apparently they think it will be a profitable flight for them. Here is an article on it. https://onemileatatime.com/eurowings-frankfurt-salt-lake-city-flight/ Exactly. Many people, both international...

Re: Curious: BA Takeoff Procedures - Gear Retraction

zeke wrote:

Max auto brake is a takeoff setting, not used for landing