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by BoeingGuy
Fri May 27, 2022 2:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Tulsa International Airport - New Air Service Announcement Tomorrow
Replies: 20
Views: 4064

Re: Tulsa International Airport - New Air Service Announcement Tomorrow

wedgetail737 wrote:
If things were better at AS, I would have guessed AS, considering they serve OKC.


AS SEA-TUL was my first guess also, but we iniw what a mess AS is right now.

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by BoeingGuy
Fri May 27, 2022 12:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1159
Views: 203538

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022

LAX-AKL moving to DFW gave example of widebody build-up at LAX which was "terrible financially" Even with LA being a massive market, think Raja has thrown the towel in on making LAX longhaul work. This summer only route they have is LHR. Even HND and SYD with JV partners on the other end ...

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by BoeingGuy
Fri May 20, 2022 7:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep WN Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training
Replies: 59
Views: 13176

Re: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep SouthWest Airlines Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training

Where would Boeing be now if they had not accepted the pressure from Southwest to keep the 737 a 1960's airplane. If Boeing had looked at the long game versus the short and saw the need for even a simple EICAS system in the development of the NG and the MAX they would perhaps not be in the position...

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by BoeingGuy
Fri May 20, 2022 5:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep WN Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training
Replies: 59
Views: 13176

Re: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep SouthWest Airlines Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training

Where would Boeing be now if they had not accepted the pressure from Southwest to keep the 737 a 1960's airplane. If Boeing had looked at the long game versus the short and saw the need for even a simple EICAS system in the development of the NG and the MAX they would perhaps not be in the position...

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by BoeingGuy
Thu May 19, 2022 7:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep WN Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training
Replies: 59
Views: 13176

Re: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep SouthWest Airlines Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training

I generally agree with the assessment of how these types of lawsuits originate. However, every once in a while something gets uncovered through the civil discovery process in a lawsuit. I think the Max is a safe airplane after the modifications. However, fixing the problem and getting to the bottom...

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by BoeingGuy
Thu May 19, 2022 7:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep WN Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training
Replies: 59
Views: 13176

Re: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep SouthWest Airlines Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training

I generally agree with the assessment of how these types of lawsuits originate. However, every once in a while something gets uncovered through the civil discovery process in a lawsuit. I think the Max is a safe airplane after the modifications. However, fixing the problem and getting to the bottom...

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by BoeingGuy
Thu May 19, 2022 7:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep WN Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training
Replies: 59
Views: 13176

Re: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep SouthWest Airlines Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training

Where would Boeing be now if they had not accepted the pressure from Southwest to keep the 737 a 1960's airplane. If Boeing had looked at the long game versus the short and saw the need for even a simple EICAS system in the development of the NG and the MAX they would perhaps not be in the position...

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by BoeingGuy
Wed May 18, 2022 3:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep WN Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training
Replies: 59
Views: 13176

Re: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep SouthWest Airlines Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training

Many may not know that SWA had covers placed over switches in the 737 -300’s and ‘500’s for years covering items different than the -200. Autobrakes, autothrottles, VNAV and LNAV were covered to prevent usage by pilots. This was all to prevent the need train pilots on how to use these systems. Also...

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by BoeingGuy
Wed May 18, 2022 2:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep WN Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training
Replies: 59
Views: 13176

Re: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep SouthWest Airlines Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training

Many may not know that SWA had covers placed over switches in the 737 -300’s and ‘500’s for years covering items different than the -200. Autobrakes, autothrottles, VNAV and LNAV were covered to prevent usage by pilots. This was all to prevent the need train pilots on how to use these systems. Also...

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by BoeingGuy
Wed May 18, 2022 1:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep WN Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training
Replies: 59
Views: 13176

Re: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep SouthWest Airlines Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training

I'd be curious to know if Boeing solicited feedback on this from other significant customers, such as United, Alaska, etc.? Putting all of your eggs in one basket and solely relying on one carrier's input is very short-sighted, if that is indeed what took place. Regardless of what WN said/didn't sa...

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by BoeingGuy
Wed May 18, 2022 1:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep WN Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training
Replies: 59
Views: 13176

Re: Seattle Times 16 May : Deep SouthWest Airlines Involvement Certification Boeing MAX Safety Alert to avoid Training

This is not surprising at all with the culture of Boeing and Southwest. Boeing was in control on this. They could’ve just said, “no”. What would Southwest do? Go to airbus? It’s entirely possible that is what Boeing did. The articles do not allege that Boeing actually did what Southwest suggested. ...

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by BoeingGuy
Sun May 15, 2022 6:06 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Unserved/Underserved US Routes Thread
Replies: 24
Views: 1978

Re: Unserved/Underserved US Routes Thread

maps4ltd wrote:
SLC-RSW, LAX-RSW, PDX-PHL


AS flies LAX-RSW.

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by BoeingGuy
Wed May 11, 2022 8:11 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Changes in leadership at Boeing
Replies: 9
Views: 1351

Re: Changes in leadership at Boeing

It has been damage control for too long. With so many delayed programs and deliveries they have too much on their table to do the real future proofing and investments. At the same time Airbus expands. A new strategy would be needed in any case. And MUCH more of a vision for my taste. So where is th...

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by BoeingGuy
Wed May 11, 2022 7:06 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Changes in leadership at Boeing
Replies: 9
Views: 1351

Re: Changes in leadership at Boeing

It has been damage control for too long. With so many delayed programs and deliveries they have too much on their table to do the real future proofing and investments. At the same time Airbus expands. A new strategy would be needed in any case. And MUCH more of a vision for my taste. So where is th...

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by BoeingGuy
Mon May 09, 2022 3:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Avolon CEO says Boeing has "lost its way"
Replies: 90
Views: 15503

Re: Avolon CEO says Boeing has "lost its way"

If Boeing can come back from the horrible downturn in the early 70s, it can turn this around, too. But they had stalwarts like Malcom Stamper to turn the thing around. The last decent executive that Boeing had was Alan Mulally. McNerney was brought in to fix Stonecipher’s mess but while he righted ...

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by BoeingGuy
Sat May 07, 2022 11:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Avolon CEO says Boeing has "lost its way"
Replies: 90
Views: 15503

Re: Avolon CEO says Boeing has "lost its way"

In a name…The Lazy Bee. Stuff like this really makes me mad. Sure Boeing has been badly mismanaged for 25 years. But everyone I know is slammed with work and working very hard. With the exception of the self-serving leadership, no-one is Lazy right now. Apologies @BoeingGuy, it was meant in jest. S...

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by BoeingGuy
Sat May 07, 2022 7:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Avolon CEO says Boeing has "lost its way"
Replies: 90
Views: 15503

Re: Avolon CEO says Boeing has "lost its way"

DFW17L wrote:
In a name…The Lazy Bee.


Stuff like this really makes me mad. Sure Boeing has been badly mismanaged for 25 years. But everyone I know is slammed with work and working very hard.

With the exception of the self-serving leadership, no-one is Lazy right now.

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by BoeingGuy
Fri May 06, 2022 4:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Avolon CEO says Boeing has "lost its way"
Replies: 90
Views: 15503

Re: Avolon CEO says Boeing has "lost its way"

For what it's worth, from my armchair, I agree with him. And moving the bigwigs to Washington, DC is NOT the right direction; it implies that Boeing plans to base their future on being a politically influential entity, rather than a leader in engineering or product relevance. I agree with it too. I...

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by BoeingGuy
Thu May 05, 2022 10:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Six arrests after brawl on board KLM flight
Replies: 56
Views: 12945

Re: Six arrests after brawl on board KLM flight

Six Britons have been arrested at Schiphol Airport for a fight on board an aircraft. It happened on a KLM flight this morning from Manchester to Amsterdam. https://nos.nl/artikel/2427654-arrestaties-na-knokpartij-aan-boord-klm-vlucht-naar-amsterdam https://mobile.twitter.com/MayaWilkinsonx/status/1...

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by BoeingGuy
Thu May 05, 2022 2:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL A220 rough landing, near-tailstrike at MSP
Replies: 54
Views: 14512

Re: DL A220 rough landing, near-tailstrike at MSP

Any pilots here have a guess why he had so much difficulty de-rotating?

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by BoeingGuy
Sun May 01, 2022 10:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeings 1Q22 Earnings
Replies: 146
Views: 16582

Re: Boeings 1Q22 Earnings

Five years ago speculation that Boeing could call this far and this badly, and largely from their own mis-actions would have been considered silly and stupid. Questions about Boeing's survival five years from now are far more realistic. Some sort of buyout or drastic reorganization are not out of t...

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by BoeingGuy
Sat Apr 30, 2022 10:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American 727 tribute
Replies: 57
Views: 8457

Re: American 727 tribute

Always like the 727 in the AA livery. Especially this one at DTW (my home airport as a kid). https://www.airliners.net/photo/American-Airlines/Boeing-727-23/1331329 One memory I have late 1994/95 was flying ORD-SEA and the every so gentle rotation on takeoff. Seated right side in that gaggle of sea...

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by BoeingGuy
Sat Apr 30, 2022 10:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeings 1Q22 Earnings
Replies: 146
Views: 16582

Re: Boeings 1Q22 Earnings

The image is okay. The more concerning thing is how credible do they move ahead in commercial airplanes? Do they invest long term or do they just milk legacy programs? Needing their investment budget to fix what they mismanaged before and to lift the stock. MDD (and Convair and Lockheed before) mov...

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by BoeingGuy
Fri Apr 29, 2022 1:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeings 1Q22 Earnings
Replies: 146
Views: 16582

Re: Boeings 1Q22 Earnings

I worked for a company in the 80's that was eventually absorbed into Boeing. I have a very small pension from them. Once I was eligible for this pension, I decided to take a lump sum as I don't trust anything Boeing. Yes, I do know that pensions are supposedly independent of the company management,...

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by BoeingGuy
Fri Apr 29, 2022 12:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeings 1Q22 Earnings
Replies: 146
Views: 16582

Re: Boeings 1Q22 Earnings

I really hate to see what Boeing has become. A company that built the 747 in an era of transistors, where no one was even sure such a heavy aircraft could lift off, they just redefined the flying universe. And now the 787 debacle, the 737-MAX debacle and now looks like the 777X debacle. All because...

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by BoeingGuy
Wed Apr 27, 2022 9:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alaska Airlines Fleet Network and News Discussion - 2022
Replies: 953
Views: 159304

Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Network and News Discussion - 2022

The MSA on the west coast that has the closest population to Anchorage is Salem, OR. Salem has about 433,000, Anchorage has about 400,000. Salem also doesn’t have HNL service. I think with AS needing to thin the operation, ANC-HNL makes sense, as much as it sucks for Alaskans. If it was the choice ...

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by BoeingGuy
Sat Apr 23, 2022 2:14 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airports You've Transited Through In Cities You've Never Visited
Replies: 92
Views: 5201

Re: Airports You've Transited Through In Cities You've Never Visited

Brussels (SN/AA)
Nairobi (BA/ET)
St. Louis (AA)
Cincinnati (DL)

A few more that I drove away from but didn’t really visit like SLC.

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by BoeingGuy
Fri Apr 22, 2022 9:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alaska Airlines Fleet Network and News Discussion - 2022
Replies: 953
Views: 159304

Re: Alaska Airlines Fleet Network and News Discussion - 2022

N5301D wrote:
USAirKid wrote:
Especially if you’re not Delta.

Well, Delta has a good pilot contract, and isn't worried about people on IOE leaving the next day for a better deal.


I think that was intended as a joking reference to Delta’s logo being a widget.

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by BoeingGuy
Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Mike Tyson Punches Passenger on JetBlue Flight
Replies: 97
Views: 17465

Re: Mike Tyson Punches Passenger on JetBlue Flight

Yes, the guy was an obnoxious idiot, no that does not excuse a passenger taking matters into his own hands ( or fists). Why didn't Tyson simply call the crew and advise them he was being harassed by the other passenger and get them to deal with the issue? I also find it frankly alarming that some p...

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by BoeingGuy
Wed Apr 20, 2022 3:45 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL 3737 diversion
Replies: 5
Views: 2169

Re: DL 3737 diversion

Acey wrote:
It's weather as mentioned but OP just so you're aware, Calgary is a major city of over one million, we do have a hospital or two here. :) .


I thought you guys all live in igloos up there. Of course they had to turn back to GEG for a medical facility. :)

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by BoeingGuy
Sat Apr 16, 2022 4:13 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airport codes different from where you expect them to be
Replies: 42
Views: 3209

Re: Airport codes different from where you expect them to be

BoeingERJ1000 wrote:
I'll say CAN for Guangzhou.


Do you know why Guangzhou is CAN?

Similar to PEK, SGN, RGN, BOM, and MAA.

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by BoeingGuy
Fri Apr 15, 2022 1:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Downfall: The case against Boeing.
Replies: 278
Views: 43677

Re: Boeing 737 Max Netflix documentary- Downfall

And in the case of the VW scandal, the engg manager in charge was produced in shackles in court and sentenced to 7 years in prison. A bit more difficult to do in this case, as many of the decisions and decision-makers who led to the tragic events, were in the McNerney era. Muilenberg, incompetent t...

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by BoeingGuy
Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pilots of 777s and 787s warned over pitch-guidance mode slip before take-off
Replies: 72
Views: 15005

Re: Pilots of 777s and 787s warned over pitch-guidance mode slip before take-off

It's unacceptable for pilots to not have the basic skill and common sense to take off correctly in these situations. But I am puzzled at the general lack of caring over this bug. Any bug should be patched. I'd argue that even competent pilots under really bad circumstances (engine seizure at V-1, h...

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by BoeingGuy
Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:27 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: airplane gliding
Replies: 43
Views: 5077

Re: airplane gliding

Modern jetliners like the 777 have at least a 20:1 glide ratio. The 787 glide ratio is supposedly so high it’s proprietary information. I don’t know the exact number. I assume Airbus models are equally efficient. The rule of thumb that I’ve heard is 2 miles gliding for every 1000 of altitude loss, ...

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by BoeingGuy
Thu Apr 14, 2022 5:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pilots of 777s and 787s warned over pitch-guidance mode slip before take-off
Replies: 72
Views: 15005

Re: Pilots of 777s and 787s warned over pitch-guidance mode slip before take-off

Yes, or maybe not follow erroneous Flight Director guidance that tells you to descend when you are 200 feet off the ground after takeoff. That’s not rocket science either. Fantastic idea. ;) A little proper piloting while performing the pilot's duty never hurt anyone. True. But I am no pilot and I ...

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by BoeingGuy
Thu Apr 14, 2022 4:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: RUMOUR has it....UA making a play for AS soon
Replies: 72
Views: 11056

Re: RUMOUR has it....UA making a play for AS soon

LCDFlight wrote:
UA would LOVE to acquire AS. But the DOJ will not be receptive to mega-carriers growing bigger.


Why in the world would anyone like to see this happen?

IMHO it will rank up there with the brilliant US Air gutting of PSA.

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by BoeingGuy
Thu Apr 14, 2022 4:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: RUMOUR has it....UA making a play for AS soon
Replies: 72
Views: 11056

Re: RUMOUR has it....UA making a play for AS soon

airlinepeanuts wrote:
AS and UA have always had a close relationship prior to AS joining OW. UA almost bought QX when AS bought it. I could see it happening.


AS and UA have never had any kind of partnership or relationship. Not in the least.

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by BoeingGuy
Wed Apr 13, 2022 7:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pilots of 777s and 787s warned over pitch-guidance mode slip before take-off
Replies: 72
Views: 15005

Re: Pilots of 777s and 787s warned over pitch-guidance mode slip before take-off

It’s been a few years but as I recall when taking the runway you check your mode on the ADI just before adding power . It’s not rocket science ! Yes, or maybe not follow erroneous Flight Director guidance that tells you to descend when you are 200 feet off the ground after takeoff. That’s not rocke...

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by BoeingGuy
Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pilots of 777s and 787s warned over pitch-guidance mode slip before take-off
Replies: 72
Views: 15005

Re: Pilots of 777s and 787s warned over pitch-guidance mode slip before take-off

I found this quote from the FAA information bulletin interesting: If in ALT mode while on the ground, pressing TO/GA switch will have no effect on pitch mode or guidance. Selecting both F/Ds “OFF” then “ON” while on the ground will restore intended, default TO/GA pitch guidance. Basically, if pilot...

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by BoeingGuy
Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pilots of 777s and 787s warned over pitch-guidance mode slip before take-off
Replies: 72
Views: 15005

Re: Pilots of 777s and 787s warned over pitch-guidance mode slip before take-off

zeke wrote:
Cannot read the second link, is this related to the EK takeoff and low level off out of DXB ?


Yes it is. This issue is exactly what occurred in the EK event.

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by BoeingGuy
Wed Apr 13, 2022 5:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pilots of 777s and 787s warned over pitch-guidance mode slip before take-off
Replies: 72
Views: 15005

Re: Pilots of 777s and 787s warned over pitch-guidance mode slip before take-off

Isn't this somewhat similar to the uncontrolled pitch issues with the 777X a while back... suddenly/mistakenly switching between modes (thought at altitude, not at takeoff)? Not at all. It’s an inadvertent engagement of the Altitude Hold mode prior to takeoff, which then provides guidance back to r...

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by BoeingGuy
Tue Apr 12, 2022 8:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Downfall: The case against Boeing.
Replies: 278
Views: 43677

Re: Downfall: The case against Boeing.

It was hidden Boeing NEVER informed pilots of an MCAS system. It took a jury less than one hour of deliberation to acquit Mark Forkner of charges of misleading federal regulators. Forkner wasn't told of the changes to MCAS and as a result the pilots weren't told of the change. It was his responsibi...

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by BoeingGuy
Tue Apr 12, 2022 6:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Downfall: The case against Boeing.
Replies: 278
Views: 43677

Re: Downfall: The case against Boeing.

IMHO this was allowed to happen because Boeing management made the assumption that any failure would be recognized as a runaway trim situation that any pilot would recognize and take the appropriate action (which is a layered assumption in and of itself). This allowed them to sweep MCAS under the r...

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by BoeingGuy
Tue Apr 12, 2022 3:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Downfall: The case against Boeing.
Replies: 278
Views: 43677

Re: Downfall: The case against Boeing.

if abs( abs(L_AOA) - abs(R_AOA) ) > x_somevalue mcas_avail = false master_caution_illum_FLT_CONT = true disp(eicas.caution.AOA_Disagree) disp(eicas.caution.MCAS_Unavail) end In the checklist: Increase all stall speeds by 5-10 knots Land as soon as practicable I'm an aerospace engineer and know full...

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by BoeingGuy
Tue Apr 12, 2022 12:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Fleet Thread - 2022
Replies: 245
Views: 49192

Re: American Airlines Fleet Thread - 2022

Here is an article from Simple Flying. But I call BS as some of you said other 787s parked there aren’t wrapped. The plane in question is almost a year and half old. https://simpleflying.com/american-airlines-boeing-787-black-plastic-wrap/ I live about 2 miles from PAE and drive by it regularly. Th...

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by BoeingGuy
Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:51 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: JAL and AA codeshare question
Replies: 2
Views: 1008

Re: JAL and AA codeshare question

The JAL baggage rules for the ORD-NRT-BKK segment will dominate. Look at what JAL allows for US to Southeast Asia. That will be your answer.

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by BoeingGuy
Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:46 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What is the shortest flight from your airport?
Replies: 49
Views: 3749

Re: What is the shortest flight from your airport?

gunsontheroof wrote:
For SEA, SEA-BLI is 93 miles. If you count cargo, SEA-MVW is 71 miles and SEA-CLM is 72.


I was thinking SEA-YYJ was closer, but it’s 98 miles. I think you are correct. BLI is currently the shortest flight from SEA.

GEG is the shortest flight from PAE, now that PDX is bring discontinued.

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by BoeingGuy
Mon Apr 11, 2022 5:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 1159
Views: 203538

Re: American Airlines Route Map

AA lost it's way about 7-8 years ago, daily it gets hard to see this legendary airline giant become just simply an operator of aircraft. A flying bus. It has no image. There is no brand identity that gives anyone I can think of a warm and fuzzy feel. They take your money, they may operate the fligh...

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by BoeingGuy
Sun Apr 10, 2022 11:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Fleet Thread - 2022
Replies: 245
Views: 49192

Re: American Airlines Fleet Thread - 2022

Why is it stored with a black tarp around the fuselage like that? The other stored 787s do not have that, as far as I’ve seen. Long term storage and to prevent damage to the pain. PAE isn’t like MHV, VCV, GYR or ROW. Boeing has never stored a plane like this in Pacific Northwest though (whether tha...

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by BoeingGuy
Sun Apr 10, 2022 10:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Fleet Thread - 2022
Replies: 245
Views: 49192

Re: American Airlines Fleet Thread - 2022

There’s a picture of an AA 787 with a black wrap wrapped around the fuselage, the tail isn’t covered. Anyone know anything about it? I saw it on Facebook, and I don’t know how to post pictures on this site.. It at PAE right next to Highway 526. I drove by it yesterday. I’ll see if I can find out an...

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