Nobody been to München Riem?
My list, as far as I remember:
MUC (München Riem)
LBC (are there any flights left at Lübeck?)
IST (Atatürk, now ISL)
UIO (the old Marescal.Sucre)
Actually, quite a bit of the cabin noise can come (and indeed on some aircrafts comes) from rattling sidewall panels. This is (was) especially true for old Boeings... Well, this is an A320 thread, so I was talking of them (and other Airbus types). And I am talking about cruise flight. In other phas...Jump to post
My home airport HAM is easily reached by public transport within 40', so I usually fly from there. Otherwise I took trains or busses (but never a car, I don't own one) between home and LBC, BRE, HAJ, TXL, SXF, FMO, DTM, DUS, CPH, MUC (the old one at Riem) to fly to/from there.
The difference is so small that nobody could seriously say anything about it just after flying on the 2 variants. The engines may sound a bit different during start-up, take-off, climb, perhaps even level flight. But in terms of noise levels there is hardly a measurable difference during cruise. And...Jump to post
Just browsed an old mag from 1984 where I found a news item that WDL was operating a weekly flight from "Hamburg" (not mentioned if HAM or XFW) and BRE to TLS on behalf of MBB with a Fokker 27. Great. So even my very dim memory of an F27 on that route seems to be correct. But if that was ...Jump to post
I find that Airbus planes, both wide body and narrow body, are quieter than the equivalent Boeing plane. Why? Not sure, but maybe better insulation between fuselage and the cabin panels? Surely someone on A Net knows why! Yes, somebody here knows at least half of the story. But actually even that h...Jump to post
I used to use Qualiflyer, KLM, Air France, American Airlines, Air Berlin, Icelandair etc. cards, and they bought me quite a lot of flights. I also used to use a number of hotel chain cards, but without much use for me. Right now I still have Accor and Lufthansa cards, will use up the points on them,...Jump to post
I wonder if the amount of noise has to do with the fact that the new interior has far less parts - I believe the Zodiac/Isis interior reduces the amount of parts in the sidewall from 11 to 4, so less stuff moving around and making noise? No, absolutely not. Or do you think in an aircraft it sounds ...Jump to post
conaly wrote:Boeing, but never Airbus:
TUIfly (A320 and A321 wetleased on multiple occasions)
No, I ment the small difference that the sidewalls make, of course ceteris paribus.
But that is off topic here.
It did seem less noisy than the AA A320 (ex-US) I flew a few weeks before that, even though I was in First on AA and only had exit row on DL. I had chalked that up to IAE vs CFM, but maybe the new sidewalls were really the factor there? The effect of the new sidewalls is very small, even so small t...Jump to post
There also was a direct shuttle between XFW and FZO many years ago. Later it switched to HAM-BRS. Only once I tried to take that direct shuttle, but somehow it didn't happen. Probably the meeting was cancelled. Later I was in Filton just once, but we had to take KLM HAM-AMS-BRS for that. I have no c...Jump to post
And then there were flights from Bremen to Toulouse or between Bremen, Hamburg and Filton (mostly operated by OLT, but also bmi regional and Sun Air, IIRC - although BRE-TLS was not, if I am not mistaken, strictly a corporate shuttle but open to the public). Sure, those were flights between 2 norma...Jump to post
Does anybody know if Airbus rules out the use of Boeing aircraft on the shuttle when they put out the contract to tender? That is probably just an airliners.net legend. They had Fokker, BAe, Canadair and Airbus in regular operation, but there were occasionally B737 on that route (Hapag-Lloyd Flug, ...Jump to post
No, it was DASA only after 6. Sep 1989. If that contract was signed in 1988, it was either MBB or Airbus Industrie (or, although not likely, Aerospatiale).
A contract was signed between TAT and Airbus to operate the shuttle service in 1988 with a Fokker F-28. Oh, thanks. So I remembered aircraft, airline and the basic schedule correctly (see my earlier post). I was on that flight 2-3 times, don't remember. But the airport code must already have been X...Jump to post
Airbus doesn't do any pax flights at all, they are not certified. They have contracted normal airlines to run those flights.
Ohh thanks....AFAIK, when I was a kid, travel agents did that for you all the time. They'd just tell you "you have to change airlines on your connection airport". He he Changing airlines may have been more common those days. But still you would have had them on one ticket and your bags wo...Jump to post
Hamburg International? I really don't remember. But perhaps there was an interim operator between OLT and Germania. For sure Germania occasionally had B737-700 on that route, but it was rare. After all they had acquired 2 dedicated A319 for that operation. A 32-seat A318? Definitely no. The A319/A32...Jump to post
The longer I think about it, the more I remember: The Privatair flights always ran with WDL flight numbers. And there was a time when Privatair operated the morning flight XFW-TLS with A319, while WDL had a BAe146 in the opposite direction. In the evening they both returned. Apparently there was mor...Jump to post
masi1157 wrote:I know people also travelled on Super Guppies and later Belugas.
I did a lot of self connections, I don't even remember all of them. HAM-CPH(SK)/CPH-KEF(FI) and back HAM-LHR(BA)/LHR-KEF(FI) and back KEF-LGW(BA)/LGW-HAM(4U) HAM-STN(LH)/STN-DUB(FR) and back HAM-CPH(SK)/CPH-SFJ(GL) UAK-KEF(NY)/KEF-HAM(FI) HAM-OSL(4U)/OSL-LRY(DY) LRY-OSL(SK)/OSL-HAM(4U) HAM-OSL(4U)/O...Jump to post
In the early days all A300, A310 and A320 were ferried between TLS and XFW and back. Since we had good contact to the flight test engineers and they could decide themselves who is on board, we sometimes took that opportunity to get to TLS. Simply took some test equipment on board and pretended we we...Jump to post
They transported Airbus employees and subcontractors, families of Airbus expats, sometimes suppliers etc. The rules probably differed over the years. But never were the flights bookable for the general public, they had to be booked by the Airbus travel agent (Hapag Lloyd for many years, now Amex). W...Jump to post
Just kidding… ;-) thank you for your insights. Didn’t even know that these shuttle flights started that early… Business trips to Toulouse were relaxed at that time. For a 1/2 day meeting or a full day of testing in TLS (only possible on Tuesday or Thursday) we left XFW the day before after lunch, a...Jump to post
The LH CRJ100 operated in "Dolores" times (dollar low rescue), when Airbus Germany (DASA at that time, I believe) almost saved themselves to death. They tried to reduce business flights, but in fact the CRJ100 was always packed and a lot of people had to travel on other scheduled flights. ...Jump to post
ad 1: There were flights between XFW and TLS before 1991. I remember an F28 leaving TLS around 11:00 on Monday, Wednesday and Friday, returning from XFW around 14:00. Was it TAT? I used it a few times, but I don't remember. Was there even an F27 before that? At XFW there was no terminal building at ...Jump to post
Spoilers take roughly one second to transition up or down. If you were in a dead silent hangar where you could hear a pin drop, you would not be able to hear spoilers being actuated. They don’t make any noise. Of course you can hear the hydraulic pump being loaded and unloaded but that noise would ...Jump to post
Think you have it right. Humidity, air density and cloud cover all change the pitch and loudness of aircraft. Imagine a sound source emitting a constant tone at a fixed frequency and level. We listen to it from a constant distance with varying wind, humidity etc. between us. That surely will change...Jump to post
LH707330 wrote:Think of a vehicle with sirens going by.
On blustery days you get puffs and lulls in the breeze, and shear between layers. This can distort the spacing between sound waves, which then registers in your ear as a quiet, lower tone, followed by a louder, higher tone when the stacked-up noise gets to you as the puff eases. Looking at the spee...Jump to post
It sounds like "aaaaaaaahhh"... Is that on takeoff? Then it might be the so-called buzz-saw noise. It is generated by the fan tips rotating at supersonic speed. In the spectrum it is a fundamental tone at the rotational speed of the fan shaft (e.g. 80Hz on CFM56) with a long row of harmon...Jump to post
My list of booked flights in 2021 is quite long, but so far none of them took place. DUS-TFS and TFS-DUS, DE, Feb/Mar 2021: Outbound flight cancelled, rebooked for 1 day earlier. I took the chance to get my money back. TFN-GMZ, GMZ-TFN-VDE, NT, Feb 2021: Flight times changed by more than 30', which ...Jump to post
Still interested in the fact there is more space on the left than the right of that picture. Fact? I believe it is an illusion. All the sketches and drawings I remember showed a symmetrical RCT on the center line of the fuselage ("A-D"). Seem to be a few fittings with red caps on the uppe...Jump to post
Of course those are views from the back looking forward. From the front you can't see the RCT at all. You would either look at the front wall of the landing gear bay with recirc fans and filters and the mixing unit sitting in front of that wall. Or you would look from inside the landing gear bay at ...Jump to post
No, this can't be the front view. There you would see recirc fans and filters and the mixing unit.
I used to work for Pratt's combustors augmentors and nozzles. I am not an expert in engines. I used to work in acoustics, but not with P&W. When this sound popped up during development we discussed it several times with P&W engine and acoustics experts. In the beginning it was much worse an...Jump to post
CRJockey wrote:This is creepy for you? A piece of machinery making a sound is creepy for you? Wow…
Why do you keep repeating this incorrect soundbite nonsense of yours of flying is not permitted? Where are you getting this from because you are certainly not reading what was actually said? Because I read german language newspapers and am a little more informed about the election campaign programs...Jump to post
People often support them until the realise it will affect them too. When they realise the twice a year trip to Spain is now twice as expensive they will complain. Oh, is it that easy? In my experience it is not. Many people, me included, support that although they are very well aware that they wou...Jump to post
The howl of these engines is created by the pressure changes in the combustion chamber... I would call those "pressure changes" a resonance within the combustion chamber. It can destroy the engine if it gets too strong. Fortunately it is not that strong and appears only in trasient phases...Jump to post
On 5. March 2020 we went home from LPA on Norwegian. We could see Tenerife when we flew by, where there was the first hotel completely in quarantine. No other flight since then, only a long list of cancellations.
All continents and 72 countries so far, incl. 3 (*) that don't exist anymore. All for pleasure, my business trips only took me to some of the same countries. Visited overnight, both air and ground/sea transport (27) Germany, Federal Republic Germany, Democratic Republic (*) Denmark Norway Sweden Pol...Jump to post
I'd say irrelevant. I am gonna bet that aircraft got at least 20% quieter in the same period :lol: What is "20% quieter"? If an aircraft is loud enough to wake me up at night or makes it impossible to talk and listen to anybody at my garden table, it doesn't really matter how much too noi...Jump to post
It is the harmonics of the associated pressure changes within the combustor structure during the phase from idle to higher thrust settings that cause the distinctive sound you are hearing. Sure, it is the harmonics. Virtually no natural sound comes without them. More important are the "pressur...Jump to post
Those toilets are not installed inside the containers, obviously. They are installed where a part of the cargo hold would have been. You can have LD3-size crew rest containers attached to them that are sitting in the cargo hold when needed.
A: ABZ ACE ADL AEP AGP AKL ALC AMS ANF ANR ARI ARN ASP ATH ATL AUA AVV AYQ AYT B: BCN BDU BGO BGY BHX BKK BKKX BOD BOS BRE BRS BRU BSL BUD BUF C: CCF CDG CFU CGN CHC CHR CJC CPH CPO CPT CUZ D: DEL DEN DPS DRS DTM DTW DUB DUS DXB E: EDI EDKL ESS EVE EWR EZE F: FAO FCO FDH FLF FMO FNC FRA FRS FTE FUE ...Jump to post