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by Amsterdam
Fri Jul 24, 2020 5:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM slap on the wrist for discrimination
Replies: 31
Views: 5564

Re: KLM slab on the wrist for discrimination

If a regular white person says anything to anyone or wants or demands anything of anyone that someone doesnt like, everyone goes crazy. These jews in this instance FACTually discriminate in public space and everyone is very mild about their behavior. This kind of behavior should be as the Dutch say ...

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by Amsterdam
Wed Jul 15, 2020 5:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France KLM - Master Thread
Replies: 355
Views: 57558

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

What a joke your comment. Sorry, stopped reading after that. Why read your comment when you clearly don't take my comment seriously. You are entitled to your own opinions, and I am to mine. Let's leave it at that. “As a tax payer I say let KLM go broke.” And then he wonders why I dont take him seri...

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by Amsterdam
Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France KLM - Master Thread
Replies: 355
Views: 57558

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

Its doesnt matter how you think about it. You can say your money went to salaries of governemt employees or EU funding of Hungary or KLM now or to jobless peoples free government salaries etc etc.

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by Amsterdam
Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France KLM - Master Thread
Replies: 355
Views: 57558

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

Its takes many many years for the government support to become a higher amount than what KLM and KLM staff have payed as taxes in the last years. So its their own money. You can call it tax payer money but factually they have payed it themselves. Plus the government stated 100.000 peoples work is ef...

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by Amsterdam
Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France KLM - Master Thread
Replies: 355
Views: 57558

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

Not only Air France is having trouble with it's staff, the KLM staff can also be an obstacle in the recovery. As we all know, KLM is being bailed out by the Dutch government, 3,4bn Euro's in their case. In exchange for this, they asked a reduction in the operation cost of 15%. So we are talking abo...

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by Amsterdam
Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Future of IAG post-pandemic
Replies: 55
Views: 6699

Re: Future of IAG post-pandemic

These 2023/24 commemts are based not on facts. They cant know. Next summer things might be really good again.
And they keep saying 2019 levels, but 2017 and 2018 where already fantastic years. Getting back to 2017/18 levels is already great. De CEOs keep saying 2023/24 so they can fire more people.

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by Amsterdam
Fri May 22, 2020 1:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Majority of LH Shareholders are Voting for Rescue Package
Replies: 515
Views: 64164

Re: Lufthansa: 10B EUR bailout - Update

News is coming in that the german government demands LH does not cancel any Airbus orders.

Well there you go. Things like this happens when government gets power in companies.

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by Amsterdam
Fri May 22, 2020 1:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Austria's Lauda to close, be replaced with new Maltese unit
Replies: 189
Views: 24647

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Better than making no money, no? And if you are not lazy, you can make a lot of extra money through selling stuff on board, which is rewarded with bonuses. So Ryanair is a fair employer that gives people the room to achieve their full potential by offering the best service. Making a lot of extra mo...

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by Amsterdam
Fri May 22, 2020 11:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Austria's Lauda to close, be replaced with new Maltese unit
Replies: 189
Views: 24647

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

So thats a “target” of 17.000€? lol
And before tax?

Crazy stuff
You can stay home and not work and have all the time of your life for yourself and have the same income on welfare. Maybe even more income. And your agenda is totally free for yourself.

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by Amsterdam
Fri May 22, 2020 10:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Austria's Lauda to close, be replaced with new Maltese unit
Replies: 189
Views: 24647

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Better than making no money, no? And if you are not lazy, you can make a lot of extra money through selling stuff on board, which is rewarded with bonuses. So Ryanair is a fair employer that gives people the room to achieve their full potential by offering the best service. Making a lot of extra mo...

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by Amsterdam
Fri May 22, 2020 10:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Austria's Lauda to close, be replaced with new Maltese unit
Replies: 189
Views: 24647

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

So 300 jobs lost in a crisis due to some unions not wanting to give in. #sad But is a good chance for Ryanair, take the slots and use them with Malta Air with has an even lower cost base. Would you work your ass off and still not be able to pay your bills? Better than making no money, no? And if yo...

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by Amsterdam
Fri May 22, 2020 10:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Austria's Lauda to close, be replaced with new Maltese unit
Replies: 189
Views: 24647

Re: Laudamotion closing its VIE base May 29th.

Ryanair knows their offer was below any minimum standard. They put it on the table to have an excuse to close the base and blame it on the union.

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by Amsterdam
Wed May 20, 2020 5:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France KLM - Master Thread
Replies: 355
Views: 57558

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

There seems no plausible way AF will be able to pay the 7 billion euro and maybe even more loans back. And when its official sometime in the future that they wont pay it back, AF will likely be nationalized. Bancruptcy is the other option.

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by Amsterdam
Mon May 18, 2020 9:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Thai Airways enters Bankruptcy Protection
Replies: 262
Views: 54482

Re: THAI Airways flies into bankruptcy

Whats up with these Chapter 11’s.
So basically companies can not really stop existing?

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by Amsterdam
Thu May 07, 2020 3:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Alitalia News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1441
Views: 343686

Re: Alitalia News and Discussion Thread

It looks like the virus has actually saved Alitalia, and maybe also Norwegian.

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by Amsterdam
Thu May 07, 2020 12:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: IAG and EY interested in creating a hub at VIE
Replies: 118
Views: 21565

Re: Rumor: IAG and Etihad interest in taking over OS

LH is not going to give OS up.

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by Amsterdam
Tue May 05, 2020 8:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ryanair Threatens EU Over State Aid to Airlines
Replies: 342
Views: 30238

Re: Ryanair Threatens EU Over State Aid to Airlines

The staff are mostly, with the exceotion of essential staff, on unemployment benefits now so it's fine. If they launch too fast and end up paying staff to fly empty planes, then yes, they will burn through their loans very quickly. What unemployment benefits? Do you mean that the governments are pa...

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by Amsterdam
Mon May 04, 2020 11:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ryanair Threatens EU Over State Aid to Airlines
Replies: 342
Views: 30238

Re: Ryanair Threatens EU Over State Aid to Airlines

Strictly speaking, AF's bailout are loans and loan guarantees. So they get cash, but they need to repay it. Cash will be burned as they try to stay afloat, so their net assets will deteriorate over time, straining their relaunch. The only advantage is that they get to service debt with cheaper debt...

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by Amsterdam
Mon May 04, 2020 8:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ryanair Threatens EU Over State Aid to Airlines
Replies: 342
Views: 30238

Re: Ryanair Threatens EU Over State Aid to Airlines

I think strictly legal speaking EU hasn't changed rules to accommodate AF, what they did is publicly recognising the current situation as 'exceptional occurrences' termed in the treaty on state aid, and the commission approved a temporary framework to issue fast track approvals. By April EC had alr...

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by Amsterdam
Sat May 02, 2020 1:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France KLM - Master Thread
Replies: 355
Views: 57558

Re: Air France May Have To Permanently Cut Domestic Service by Half to Get Aid

So governments are in the wrong for making airlines cut flights, and also in the wrong for making airlines keep making flights, as a condition of getting bailed out (as per one of your other threads, concerning B6.) Are governments expected to give them the money with no strings attached? Because I...

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by Amsterdam
Fri May 01, 2020 11:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Majority of LH Shareholders are Voting for Rescue Package
Replies: 515
Views: 64164

Re: Lufthansa: 10B EUR bailout - Update

Spohr cant decide to let such a company that is not even his own go bancrupt.
German government, shareholders, millions of germans, creditors, 140.000 employees etc vs 1 man (or maybe a couple of them) who doesnt own the company.

He said was he said as a message, nothing more.

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by Amsterdam
Fri May 01, 2020 12:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ryanair to layoff 3,000: including pilots,and FAs; cut FA wages by 20%
Replies: 12
Views: 3453

Re: Ryanair to layoff 3,000 pilots, FAs; cut wages by 20%

LH has one the biggest maintenance companies in the world. Also one of the biggest catering companies in the world.
It seems you think most of those LH employees are flight staff.

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by Amsterdam
Thu Apr 30, 2020 4:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lufthansa 10+ Billion EUR package: bailout or megasubsidy?
Replies: 195
Views: 20602

Re: Lufthansa 10+ Billion EUR package: bailout or megasubsidy?

Did all LH Group pilots just announce they want to cut their salary by 45% for two years? Hasn't the German government asked pilots to make concessions anyway as a condition for giving state aid? As if they had a choice about it. Airlines are in a liquidity crisis. They can worry about profits late...

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by Amsterdam
Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lufthansa 10+ Billion EUR package: bailout or megasubsidy?
Replies: 195
Views: 20602

Re: Lufthansa 10+ Billion EUR package: bailout or megasubsidy?

Did all LH Group pilots just announce they want to cut their salary by 45% for two years?

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by Amsterdam
Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup
Replies: 208
Views: 23711

Re: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup

I'm getting tired of the Dutch public screaming (not here on A.net but in general) that we should 'rescue KLM from Air France'. There is a far right nationalistic movement (also) in The Netherlands with an extremely dumb unrealistic vision of our country. They believe The Netherlands should leave t...

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by Amsterdam
Thu Apr 30, 2020 12:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France KLM - Master Thread
Replies: 355
Views: 57558

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

KLM is more suited to providing domestic services in the Western Atlantic Ocean. Amsterdam is already a hub for UK flights and KLM could easily become a major domestic player there, along with Scandinavia where SAS remains a small airline. A merger between KLM and SAS would go well IMO forming a hu...

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by Amsterdam
Wed Apr 29, 2020 5:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup
Replies: 208
Views: 23711

Re: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup

https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/categorie/2/airlines/wie-zijn-de-aandeelhouders-van-air-france-klm The Air France-KLM holding company, in turn, owns 49 percent of KLM's shares. The other 51 percent is in Dutch hands in connection with the retention of landing rights. The Dutch state has a 5.9...

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by Amsterdam
Wed Apr 29, 2020 4:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup
Replies: 208
Views: 23711

Re: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup

Since you are talking of straight theft, are you familiar with "Euro-mark" and tax haven right inside the EU? Country like Germany or the Netherlands are benefits from the BCE policy. According to this study ( https://www.cep.eu/fileadmin/user_upload/cep.eu/Studien/20_Jahre_Euro_-_Gewinne...

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by Amsterdam
Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup
Replies: 208
Views: 23711

Re: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup

Care to provide any link to any media???? Because the only thing that has been widely reported in the French media is that the support has been linked to a) improved rentability, and b) improved environmental performance. Also because this trope of the French executive pressuring Air France to buy ...

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by Amsterdam
Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup
Replies: 208
Views: 23711

Re: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup

The crazy thing is that the French also want eurobonds just like Italy, so they can lend money cheaper to for example put in AF and Alitalia. And that means Holland will have to pay more interest than it does now on its own loans aka pay for others countries to put money into AF and Alitalia and a ...

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by Amsterdam
Wed Apr 29, 2020 3:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup
Replies: 208
Views: 23711

Re: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup

French media is writing that AF is not allowed to fire staff if they want help from the government. And it must keep buying airbussen. Things like this have got nothing to do with running a company. They will burn through those 7 billion euros very fast with those conditions. They will probably nee...

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by Amsterdam
Wed Apr 29, 2020 2:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup
Replies: 208
Views: 23711

Re: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup

French media is writing that AF is not allowed to fire staff if they want help from the government. And it must keep buying airbussen. Things like this have got nothing to do with running a company. They will burn through those 7 billion euros very fast with those conditions. They will probably need...

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by Amsterdam
Wed Apr 29, 2020 12:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup
Replies: 208
Views: 23711

Re: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup

I'm getting tired of the Dutch public screaming (not here on A.net but in general) that we should 'rescue KLM from Air France'. There is a far right nationalistic movement (also) in The Netherlands with an extremely dumb unrealistic vision of our country. They believe The Netherlands should leave t...

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by Amsterdam
Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SAS to layoff half of their staff
Replies: 30
Views: 6241

Re: SAS to layoff half of their staff

Why so many people.
Isn’t that almost 50% of the staff?
If Lufthansa does the same that would mean 70.000 people exit.

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by Amsterdam
Tue Apr 28, 2020 11:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup
Replies: 208
Views: 23711

Re: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup

Here are few interesting figures extracted from the AFKL annual report just after the merger (2004-05) compared to the figures from the 2019 annual report. Fleet 31/12/2004 KLM had a total of 181 aircrafts including KLC + 26 at Transavia Holland = 207 aircrafts Air France had a total of 370 aircraf...

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by Amsterdam
Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup
Replies: 208
Views: 23711

Re: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup

The French government already owns about 14,3 percent of the AF-KL holding, so KLM is already partially owned by the French government... Whereas the Dutch government own 14 percent... Go figure... And both French and Dutch government are working very close together for the bail-out. I don’t think ...

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by Amsterdam
Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup
Replies: 208
Views: 23711

Re: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup

The solution is super simple.
Meaningful restructuring and cost lowering at AF. Then everything will be ok.

So not just scraping an x amount of jobs but leaving all the other jobs expensive.
I dont think they will do it.

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by Amsterdam
Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup
Replies: 208
Views: 23711

Re: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup

Why KLM ever merged with Air France never made any sense, AF has always been the second worse run airline in Europe after Alitalia. KLM would fit very nicely in the IAG portfolio, especially with their 777 & 787 long haul fleets. ?? When KL merged with AF, KL was loss making while AF was the si...

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by Amsterdam
Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup
Replies: 208
Views: 23711

Re: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup

All this speculation.
But what would KLM do without de JV with Delta?
United and AA already have their european hubs, so KLM and Delta wont stop working together.

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by Amsterdam
Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup
Replies: 208
Views: 23711

Re: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup

Yes it would become like the USA.

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by Amsterdam
Mon Apr 27, 2020 1:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup
Replies: 208
Views: 23711

Re: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup

Some people here seem to wish KLM belongs to IAG. IAG is already huge in 3 countries. In Spain, Iberia dominates by far the market. In the UK, with the bankruptcy of FlyBe, and the near collapse of Virgin Atlantic, BA will dominate even more the market. And I am not even talking about Level and Vue...

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by Amsterdam
Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup
Replies: 208
Views: 23711

Re: KL Takes Into Account Possibility of AFKL Breakup

KLM can get out of the holding and keep a deep cooperation wih AF. Just like they do with Delta.

Why would going out of the holding mean that they would not work together with AF anymore? And that they should look at LH or BA.

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by Amsterdam
Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air France KLM - Master Thread
Replies: 355
Views: 57558

Re: Air France KLM - Master Thread

Dutch financial newspaper is writing that the top of KLM is taking a split up of the holding in to consideration: https://www.luchtvaartnieuws.nl/nieuws/categorie/2/airlines/klm-houdt-rekening-met-einde-van-huwelijk-met-air-france A split up would not mean the end of deep cooperation with AF. KLM an...

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by Amsterdam
Fri Apr 17, 2020 11:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic creditors aprove restructuring; (files for BK in US Court)
Replies: 1516
Views: 183571

Re: Virgin Atlantic needs government support?

Airlines, their employees and others in aviation pay a lot of taxes, many billions a year.
That tax money should be used now to help them.
These people are also tax payers.
So tax payer money is also their money.

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by Amsterdam
Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Virgin Atlantic creditors aprove restructuring; (files for BK in US Court)
Replies: 1516
Views: 183571

Re: Virgin Atlantic facing collapse

The governments have closed the borders and routes etc.
They have made business impossible.
Compensation should happen.

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by Amsterdam
Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aviation sector unpaid leaves and layoffs thread
Replies: 202
Views: 33187

Re: Airlines unpaid leaves and layoffs thread.

Most probably.. But what does that say for people that have to pay the morgage which is based on more than that amount? Pay the taxes based on that house, etc? And this concerns a lot more than just KLM employees, if this crisis continues for a long time, a lot of houses will be put on sale, withou...

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by Amsterdam
Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1138
Views: 315534

Re: KL 744 Phase out News and Discussion Thread

They wont be stored at AMS. No room.

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by Amsterdam
Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Renationalisation of airlines being a trend.
Replies: 29
Views: 4399

Re: Renationalisation of airlines being a trend.

I am sorry if this hasn't been covered in the coronavirus related thread. Upon discovering that AZ is about to be renationalised, I am almost certain that another string of airlines, perhaps less so in Europe and definitely not the US3 being renationalised. Those that i could think of as strong con...

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by Amsterdam
Wed Mar 18, 2020 9:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Renationalisation of airlines being a trend.
Replies: 29
Views: 4399

Re: Renationalisation of airlines being a trend.

Aegean, TAP will they be saved?
Air Europa?
Jet2?

What about Ryanair, Wizz and easyJet that operate out of many countries?

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by Amsterdam
Tue Mar 17, 2020 4:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Speculation: American Airlines might file bankruptcy again
Replies: 310
Views: 64297

Re: Speculation: American Airlines might file bankruptcy again

It's not like this is new, the airline and entire travel industry is very exposed to pandemics and global political issues. It is the management's job to ensure they have money on hand to whether these short to medium term slow-downs and be flexible enough to be able to cut the fat when times get t...

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