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by ncflyer
Sun Oct 14, 2018 10:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1370
Views: 111478

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

With 4 CR9 on Delta and 2 ER140s on AA, I suspect this is all the capacity we will be seeing to JFK for a while. As an aside, DL has more frequencies to JFK that most other comparable markets including PIT (3), IND (3), CMH (3), CVG (1). Even Detroit has same number of flights, only one of which is ...

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by ncflyer
Tue Oct 09, 2018 4:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 1570
Views: 147322

Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

There are very few routes out of BOS with as many or more frequencies as PIT. The ones I could find are RDU, DCA, BWI, JFK, PHL, MCO. DCA is only one with more than 6. Even ORD and ATL and FLL, have fewer frequencies, at least this time of year. The question is not whether B6 is making money on flig...

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by ncflyer
Thu Sep 27, 2018 1:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1370
Views: 111478

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

thank you Massey, that is fantastic. it's still early days for the group but we are making good progress and would be eager to invite her to attend a meeting soon enough. . . . we have a few items on our workplan we need to finish first.

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by ncflyer
Tue Sep 25, 2018 7:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1370
Views: 111478

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Massey I have in my mind that a master plan will recommend something like what you are saying--- using a problematic D concourse (problematic because it was built primarily for small jets) temporarily as the other concourses are modernized. CLE could even run buses to get passengers out there while ...

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by ncflyer
Mon Sep 24, 2018 8:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1370
Views: 111478

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

For fear of turning this in to an MCI thread, it seems like many moving parts driving up the cost. More gates, inflation, some labor uncertainty, a one year delay…all good lessons for cleveland to learn if it should be so lucky to go down this road. https://www.google.com/amp/amp.kansascity.com/news...

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by ncflyer
Thu Sep 20, 2018 10:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1370
Views: 111478

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

SLC is not even relevant-- it's 3x CLE's passenger count and I wouldn't be surprised if DL has grander plans once construction finishes. MCI is informative. 20% bigger pax count than CLE, but also high hopes for WN once it's complete. It went to voters as a $1B project last November, but recent arti...

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by ncflyer
Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1370
Views: 111478

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

What's wrong with a new terminal on existing land? I'm not saying it would be easy to squeeze it in, but it would certainly be possible. The amount of money Kennedy is throwing around in the article is more along the lines of "new" rather than "bandaid". There's a reason there ha...

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by ncflyer
Thu Sep 20, 2018 2:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1370
Views: 111478

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

There's a very appropriate saying, two types of people don't like Cleveland, those who've never been and those who've never left. On air service it is frustrating that CLE ranks 43rd in passenger volume, well behind many smaller CSAs, in fact I'm hard pressed to think of another region that is so ou...

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by ncflyer
Sun Sep 16, 2018 9:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1370
Views: 111478

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

I wish I understood why CLE seems to be so far down the pecking order for WN. Massey's stats say CLE is delivering the traffic, the gates are available. . . . yet the service really lags CMH, IND, PIT, MCI. . . there's no obvious reason for that.

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by ncflyer
Thu Sep 13, 2018 2:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The rest of Ohio - 2018
Replies: 1563
Views: 128210

Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Meantime airlines have never been more profitable, nor their CEO's paid more ridiculously, and Ohio has dozens upon dozens upon dozens of bigger problems than its air service. What makes IND and PIT and other airports so infuriating is if no one gave airlines incentives, we would all be better off b...

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by ncflyer
Wed Sep 12, 2018 9:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1370
Views: 111478

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

GSA you write that Cleveland doesn't have same demand for European travel as PIT does? I'm curious what that is based on? CLE is so susceptible to international leakage to DTW, PIT, and YYZ, I can't begin to know how this is accounted for. Personally, I think the two markets are so, so, so, so simil...

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by ncflyer
Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 1570
Views: 147322

Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

I thought PIT paid $1.5mm? Maybe I’m getting LHR confused with CDG…

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by ncflyer
Mon Sep 10, 2018 11:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 1570
Views: 147322

Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Not as familiar with PA but am with Ohio. The three Cs are huge competitors with each other and divide the states attention. Furthermore Cinci county is red, Cleveland county blue, and Columbus purplish to blue. The state govt is very red, no blue state office holders, both legislativd houses are ve...

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by ncflyer
Mon Sep 10, 2018 8:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 1570
Views: 147322

Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

FlyPit, to me PIT's CDG subsidy seems reasonable, the one that was really outrageous is IND and history is still being written on that one. Because IND is the only major city in the state, IND can get and did get the state government heavily involved-- big pockets and even bigger egos. On the other ...

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by ncflyer
Mon Sep 10, 2018 6:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1370
Views: 111478

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

If the EI rumors on the PIT forum turn out to be true, then there could be a little bit of reaction to that from WOW or Condor, just as DL reacted to the BA announcement by cancelling PIT-CDG pretty quickly. I wonder if WOW is announcing the 2019 commitment to CLE as a way to signal to potential new...

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by ncflyer
Mon Sep 10, 2018 5:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 1570
Views: 147322

Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

klm617, obviously we'll need to wait and see on the size of the incentive, but what you're describing is a long way to go about getting money. If it's the same size as the BA subsidy, $1.5MM, that's just nothing compared to the cost to operate the flight, including committing an airplane to the rout...

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by ncflyer
Sun Sep 09, 2018 11:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The rest of Ohio - 2018
Replies: 1563
Views: 128210

Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

well I certainly didn’t mean high speed rail, that would be who knows how many tens of billions and Ohio just doesn’t have the population density or Europe, China, or Japan. But public transit serves a heck of a lot more people than air travel, and in many cases people who have no other way to get t...

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by ncflyer
Sun Sep 09, 2018 5:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The rest of Ohio - 2018
Replies: 1563
Views: 128210

Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Considering that Ohio is about 49th in per capita state budget spending on public transportation— this will be one angry tax payer if money is found for airlines without addressing a much greater need.

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by ncflyer
Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WW and FI Both Suspend Cleveland
Replies: 84
Views: 8718

Re: WW and FI Both Suspend Cleveland

I gotta admit, when WOW expanded to CLE it was a real head scratcher to me. For a discount carrier, I'd gladly make the drive up the OH/PA turnpike, it's such a breeze-- zero risk of any traffic delays, outside of a major accident. There had to be cannibalization of PIT when CLE opened up. I think P...

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by ncflyer
Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1370
Views: 111478

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Just a reminder in case anyone else would like to join but the group of airliner.net members interested in working on an updated terminal for CLE is next meeting on Wed September 12 7PM at Panera in Independence. All who are interested are welcome, regardless of your viewpoint. If you want further d...

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by ncflyer
Thu Sep 06, 2018 6:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1370
Views: 111478

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Just a reminder in case anyone else would like to join but the group of airliner.net members interested in working on an updated terminal for CLE is next meeting on Wed September 12 7PM at Panera in Independence. All who are interested are welcome, regardless of your viewpoint. If you want further d...

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by ncflyer
Wed Sep 05, 2018 2:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1370
Views: 111478

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Based on my anecdotal experience, it seems like planes don't really fill up very much this far in advance of winter. Maybe to the Caribbean and cruise destinations, but that's pretty unique. Can advance bookings this far in advance really tell the tale of the suitability for WOW and JI to operate ye...

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by ncflyer
Tue Sep 04, 2018 5:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1370
Views: 111478

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Cleveland.com has an article with some nice background and quotes from the carrier. https://www.cleveland.com/travel/index.ssf/2018/09/icelandair_cancels_winter_flig.html. How Frontier-esque. On July 31st Icelandair extended it's schedule to include year round CLE service, and PD wrote about it, now...

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by ncflyer
Wed Aug 29, 2018 5:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why does Delta fly CLE-BDL?
Replies: 37
Views: 4059

Re: Why does Delta fly CLE-BDL?

I fly this route and fares really are inexpensive. If I plan ahead 3 weeks or so a weekend stay even prime time Friday to Monday is low $200s. I'm thinking of a last minute trip this weekend, nonstop flight Friday, connect coming home on a day when the flight doesn't operate and the fare is $485. I ...

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by ncflyer
Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 1570
Views: 147322

Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Most times I've checked the UA seat map on this flight, the loads are lousy. Eyeballing, looks like 90 empty this AM, and many more than that Tuesday and Wednesday. Will be interesting to see how this flight performs, as UA transitions IAD to more connections and EWR to more point to point (as has b...

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by ncflyer
Mon Aug 27, 2018 5:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1370
Views: 111478

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

For what it's worth the Clinic is a huge customer of Epic, electronic medical records company based in Madison, and MetroHealth is one of Epic's very first customers. Epic's campus in Madison is---- well Epic-- I've never been but it's supposed to be an amazing corporate environment! I was told a fe...

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by ncflyer
Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1370
Views: 111478

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Wish I could share your optimism fun2fly. CLE's skymile ties are not great. Furthermore as I always say, it's not just that CLE-CDG needs to be viable, it has to be Delta's most viable option for any available aircraft that they might have. Hard to believe CLE would win out over more destinations or...

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by ncflyer
Thu Aug 23, 2018 5:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 1570
Views: 147322

Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

I posted this on the forum on the CDG flight being cancelled, but that forum is talking about a lot besides PIT. It is my conjecture that the ACAA had long and hard discussions that they would be putting the CDG flight at risk by offering incentive to BA, but that the authority decided year round BA...

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by ncflyer
Thu Aug 23, 2018 12:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta ending PIT-CDG
Replies: 120
Views: 13789

Re: Delta ending PIT-CDG

There’s a reason people oppose government /government agencies picking winners and losers. The current “loser” is leaving…I don’t get at all why people here are calling Delta amateurish. Pittsburgh airport picked BA as the winner and Deltas response was 100% predictable. In fact I think it was a cal...

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by ncflyer
Mon Aug 13, 2018 4:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1370
Views: 111478

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

How the airline world has changed. I viewed these 2 or 3 or 4 times a week flights as a bit of a joke when F9 and Allegiant first came around. Now I'm as excited for PBI to return as the next guy, even if only 3x per week, albeit with a lot of seats. Anything to avoid FLL, which has really become a ...

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by ncflyer
Mon Aug 13, 2018 12:00 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: TK to become casualty of USA-Turkey rhetoric?
Replies: 106
Views: 11820

Re: TK to become casualty of USA-Turkey rhetoric?

Right. I don’t think there’s enough discussion here of top line impact. Airlines are such a fixed cost business— even if TK “only” loses 5-10% of revenue to the US because of sanctions or negative press coverage of Turkey, that essentially comes right off the bottom line.

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by ncflyer
Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1370
Views: 111478

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Looks like the SLC is still loaded as daily late Feb and beyond. There's speculation on Eniliria's thread that Delta trims its schedule a bit for other priorities during peak Sundance period, which is late January/early Feb. Who the heck knows? Of note, PIT and IND still appear to be daily in this t...

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by ncflyer
Fri Aug 10, 2018 7:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 1570
Views: 147322

Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Not a bad video. As a clevelander I do laugh at using the age of PIT as a rationale— cleveland airport has to be pushing 50 and it’s in much worse shape than PIT. But it’s all about the political will of the community, and it seems strong in Pittsburgh, completely nonexistent in Cleveland. However, ...

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by ncflyer
Tue Aug 07, 2018 6:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1370
Views: 111478

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Speaking about doing something about FIS--- This will be last time I post a reminder--- for those interested and local to NEO, we will be convening a group of airliners.net forum participants to consider forming a citizen's committee to get airport improvements much, much higher on the agenda of bus...

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by ncflyer
Mon Aug 06, 2018 2:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The rest of Ohio - 2018
Replies: 1563
Views: 128210

Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

I could easily post this article on the Cleveland forum, the Pittsburgh forum, or the Indy forum, as all three are very relevant. I thought it was really excellent and balanced article from the weekend in the Cleveland Plain Dealer debating whether airline incentives are worthwhile, sparked by what'...

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by ncflyer
Tue Jul 31, 2018 6:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 1570
Views: 147322

Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Not sure I follow you flyPIT, here's a direct cut and paste from the article-- unless the article is wrong or I'm misinterpreting it seems like an airline guarantee to me. The flights are being guaranteed with incentives totaling $910,000, a figure that’s split between Pittsburgh International ($560...

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by ncflyer
Tue Jul 31, 2018 5:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 1570
Views: 147322

Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

Very interesting article on USA Today. I am very skeptical of these China flights, in fact more than skeptical I think it's a terribly disappointing waste of money. This is exhibit A of why the government isn't best at picking winners and losers in the economy. First of all has anyone looked at yiel...

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by ncflyer
Fri Jul 27, 2018 5:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The rest of Ohio - 2018
Replies: 1563
Views: 128210

Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Ahhh. Ok makes sense. More reason the OAA is wasting their time. Why would downstate legislatures ever go for this? To put it in perspective I think the state spends about $15-$20mm on public transit. ?? I don’t get it cledaybuck—- picking between two?? Because CVG is in Kentucky? Ohio/Cincinnati ha...

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by ncflyer
Fri Jul 27, 2018 4:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The rest of Ohio - 2018
Replies: 1563
Views: 128210

Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

?? I don’t get it cledaybuck—- picking between two?? Because CVG is in Kentucky?

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by ncflyer
Fri Jul 27, 2018 1:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The rest of Ohio - 2018
Replies: 1563
Views: 128210

Re: The rest of Ohio - 2018

Pennsylvania/Pittsburgh somehow overcomes this but it really hurts OH that it has three large cities that compete against each other. Indiana especially can really focus efforts, even at the state level, on Indianopolis. Cleveland and Cincinnati, And to lesser degree Columbus, meantime get hammered ...

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by ncflyer
Thu Jul 26, 2018 1:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1370
Views: 111478

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

Wadsworth is 40 minutes from CLE according to google maps. That’s less time than it commonly takes to get from downtown Chicago to O’Hare. No way is Wadsworth or most other places you mention not in CLE service area, especially since CAK is so puny. Greenair on London BA there’s just no way CLE has ...

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by ncflyer
Wed Jul 25, 2018 9:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1370
Views: 111478

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

If not mistaken it's been written here before and on other discussions that LH doesn't really have the aircraft to serve a smaller North American market. It also can't help that FRA is an over fly of LHR, CDG, AMS, BCN, MAD, LIS, etc. These are some large markets better served from KEF, LHR, AMS, CD...

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by ncflyer
Wed Jul 25, 2018 3:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA announces PIT-LHR
Replies: 157
Views: 19094

Re: BA announces PIT-LHR

I too had CMH ahead on this if for no other reason— no competition to Europe.

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by ncflyer
Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: STL air service discussion - 2018
Replies: 1175
Views: 86778

Re: STL air service discussion - 2018

A positive sign too for WOW is that it's currently bookable year round. The same can not be said for all N.A. markets, namely CVG, CLE, DFW. It is amazing how cheap WOW is right until the last minute. Tickets in the next week to KEF are generally $129 one way, from STL and this is in range with a co...

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by ncflyer
Wed Jul 25, 2018 2:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 1570
Views: 147322

Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

I thought with its sizable WN operation bna had close to 20mm passengers but I was way off, it’s only 14mm. 40% bigger than PIT (I’m roundino obviously) but still same order of magnitude, unlike DEN which is a colossus. Have to admit I’m surprised given that Nashville is growing unbelievably and has...

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by ncflyer
Tue Jul 24, 2018 11:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 1570
Views: 147322

Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

The distinction I would make is that BNA and DEN have hub airline(s) that can muscle it through, PIT no longer has a dominant airline that captures disproportionate benefit of a heavy renovation. Yes I’m calling WN a hub— at both places. More reason that if it happens PIT leadership deserves tremend...

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by ncflyer
Tue Jul 24, 2018 5:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 1570
Views: 147322

Re: PIT Update Discussion Thread - 2018

It never works when I try two subjects in the same post but I'll try anyway!! On the UA SFO twice daily, I'm pretty sure that's just during the holiday period??? I tried booking it in January it's only once per day then. Whereas CLE, where UA has publicly announced double daily to SFO and LAX, it is...

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by ncflyer
Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BA 219 LHR-DEN diverts to PHX 23 July 2018.
Replies: 39
Views: 6224

Re: BA 219 LHR-DEN diverts to PHX 23 July 2018.

It surprises me that the crazy ridiculous heat in PHX (north of 110--- yikes!) doesn't make it an undesirable place for diversions, or for that matter cause more operational difficulties. I'm going to answer my own surprise by saying I guess a 747 flying to DEN doesn't need to go out too heavy.

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by ncflyer
Tue Jul 24, 2018 4:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1370
Views: 111478

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

I noticed that catch---- very clever. I even looked at PIT, with the hope of having a long weekend in KEF. but it's the same pricing strategy everywhere. Big difference for me paying $400 for two people to Iceland vs. paying $600-$800 for the same. Saying that, it does look to me like the $99 fare b...

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by ncflyer
Tue Jul 24, 2018 2:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: What's Going In CLE - 2018
Replies: 1370
Views: 111478

Re: What's Going In CLE - 2018

The first meeting of the airliners.net "What's going on in CLE" forum is set for August 13 (Monday) 7PM Panera Rockside Road Independence. We have four people including myself confirmed but all who are local are welcome, and the primary focus will be introductions and what a citizens commi...

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