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by BostonBeau
Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020
Replies: 1016
Views: 142248

Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Just wondering....why does JetBlue operate nonstop flights between Boston and Bozeman MT on weekends? Is there a National Park or some other major attraction in Bozeman that would attract leisure travelers from Boston?

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by BostonBeau
Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Boston LHR, CDG and other Europe
Replies: 53
Views: 9956

Re: American Airlines Boston LHr, CDG and other Europe.

American paid TWA $$$ for the BOS-LHR route, and almost immediately began downsizing (777->A300->757) even before the JV with British Airways came about. It seems strange that of the 8 flights between Boston and London (LHR and LGW) each day, only ONE of them is operated by a US Carrier (DL).

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by BostonBeau
Sat Jul 20, 2019 1:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BOS-bound ‘13G’ And ‘13T’ same time with BA and EI
Replies: 7
Views: 1571

Re: BOS-bound ‘13G’ And ‘13T’ same time with BA and EI

Confusion of flight numbers does happen (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b26NcJCLZl4). In the specific instance you cite, however, I would assume "13 Tango" is preceded by callsign Shamrock, and "13 Golf" by callsign "Speedbird" which lessens the possible confusion. I w...

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by BostonBeau
Thu May 30, 2019 3:46 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Best Airline Ads
Replies: 59
Views: 4322

Re: Best Airline Ads

I have a "chicken vs. the egg" question. Was the 5th Dimension song "Up Up and Away" written for TWA, or was the record released first, and then TWA licensed it? I know the group "the Letterman" had a hit record based on the "Pan Am Makes the Going Great" comm...

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by BostonBeau
Mon May 06, 2019 12:55 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airline owning a airport
Replies: 60
Views: 7626

Re: Airline owning a airport

I think that MIA started out as Pan American Field, owned by Pan Am, and was subsequently bought by the city.

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by BostonBeau
Thu Apr 04, 2019 2:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta and Virgin to launch LGW-JFK and BOS from 2020
Replies: 162
Views: 22311

Re: Delta and Virgin to launch LGW-JFK and BOS from 2020

I for one am happy to see VS back on the BOS-LGW route. I used to take them 2-3 times a year in Premium Economy to Gatwick, because I could be off the plane and on the train to London in under 30 minutes. Try that at Heathrow on a 7 AM arrival! haha

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by BostonBeau
Tue Apr 02, 2019 6:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Passenger gets plane to himself
Replies: 77
Views: 15049

Re: Passenger gets plane to himself

Has happened to me twice, once on TWA and once on Northeast. TWA: Back in the days of printed timetables, TWA added a red-eye LAX-BOS, effective the first day of a new schedule, which happened to be the day I was going home. The timetable said it was going to be an L1011, but when I showed up at the...

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by BostonBeau
Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Last VS A340
Replies: 51
Views: 17482

Re: Last VS A340

I took an early trip on a VS 340-300 from Boston to Gatwick the week they replaced the "Spirit of Sir Freddie" B747-100 that usually served Boston. It still had that "new plane" smell...haha. It did seem to take forever to take off compared to the Freddie, but it was a very nice ...

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by BostonBeau
Tue Feb 26, 2019 4:36 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Why no US3 to Egypt ?
Replies: 71
Views: 11286

Re: Why no US3 to Egypt ?

[/quote]Both Delta and United fly to Tel Aviv. Delta fly to some other African destinations but not in North Africa. And Of course American doesn't fly anywhere around these areas.[/quote] Isn't there some sort of legal reason that AA doesn't fly to Tel Aviv? I vaguely remember that TWA had some sor...

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by BostonBeau
Sat Feb 16, 2019 9:13 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: B707 vs DC-8
Replies: 22
Views: 2533

Re: B707 vs DC-8

Those were the days of 34 inch seat pitch and hot meals in coach, so both planes were comfortable for passengers compared to these days. Some models of the DC-8 (61 and I think 63) were stretched way more than the B707, and you really could get that "long aluminum tube" feeling if you were...

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by BostonBeau
Mon Jan 07, 2019 11:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta flight number question
Replies: 36
Views: 3613

Re: Delta flight number question

I've always been curious if the U.S. ever gets to a point that we would see five-digit flight numbers. Using the out and back method makes sense yet I'll guess it may confuse infrequent flyers. Rather than 5 digit flight numbers, why not start adding an alphabetic character to the flight number. Fo...

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by BostonBeau
Sun Jan 06, 2019 12:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Royal Air Maroc applies for Boston
Replies: 43
Views: 6689

Re: Royal Air Maroc applies for Boston

Boston had service to Rabat and Casablanca in the 60's. Pan Am operated two flights a week originating in JFK, then Boston, then Santa Maria (Azores), then Lisbon, and finally the destination in Morocco. This was with B707 equipment. The flight served Rabat while the Casablanca airport was being ren...

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by BostonBeau
Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why did American Airlines go with 707 over DC-8?
Replies: 111
Views: 19575

Re: Why did American Airlines go with 707 over DC-8?

The B707 and DC-8 were both beautiful planes. I took a trip to Europe in 1970 where I flew a TWA 707-320B one way and a KLM DC-8-63 the other. Both were very comfortable in economy (I think the standard seat pitch was 33-34 inches at that point). The DC-8-63 was the really long version (I think in a...

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by BostonBeau
Mon Dec 10, 2018 11:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Expansion at BOS with new routes including CLE, DCA, EWR, and ORD
Replies: 215
Views: 21212

Re: Delta Expansion at BOS with new routes including CLE, DCA, EWR, and ORD

As a Bostonian I resent the "take Boston to the world in 2019" comment. Boston had international service (admittedly only to Canada) when Delta was still dusting crops. :lol:

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by BostonBeau
Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: History question: Baltimore airport
Replies: 14
Views: 2781

Re: History question: Baltimore airport

http://timetableimages.com/i-bc/ba4507i.jpg
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Not BWI obviously, but BOAC operated Boeing 314 flying boats from Baltimore to the UK just after the end of WW2: http://timetableimages.com/i-bc/ba4507i.jpg

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by BostonBeau
Thu Oct 25, 2018 6:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: History question: Baltimore airport
Replies: 14
Views: 2781

Re: History question: Baltimore airport

http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/pa37bb11.htm
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In 1937, Pan Am and Imperial Airways operated a joint service between Baltimore and Bermuda: http://timetableimages.com/ttimages/pa37bb11.htm

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by BostonBeau
Fri Aug 10, 2018 11:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Clarification on KLM service to Boston in 2019
Replies: 17
Views: 3220

Re: Clarification on KLM service to Boston in 2019

And the KLM service will be only 3 times a week. Given Delta flies twice a day, 3 times a week seems pretty lame.

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by BostonBeau
Mon May 28, 2018 8:58 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: The Downgrade of Hawaii Inflight Service
Replies: 42
Views: 6086

Re: The Downgrade of Hawaii Inflight Service

I think in the days of regulation, Hawaii was even then a special case. Whereas there were two fare classes on the mainland (F and Y), there was a third class no-frills service to Hawaii (class K). I don't think you got a meal in K but you did in Y.

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by BostonBeau
Sat Apr 14, 2018 12:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Help with a childhood memory
Replies: 23
Views: 2347

Re: Help with a childhood memory

PA201 left Miami at 2100h and made a stop in Brasilia one day a week in the late 60's/early 70's. The rest of the week it was nonstop Miami-Rio.

Oops....double checking, PA201 originated in New York, not Miami. Sorry.

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by BostonBeau
Thu Mar 22, 2018 1:31 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Flying Almost 9 Hours To Come Back Over Your Home Again!
Replies: 38
Views: 4831

Re: Flying Almost 9 Hours To Come Back Over Your Home Again!

On the subject of strange connections...in November 1971, Amtrak (the USA passenger railroad) published in their national timetable, a connection between San Diego and Los Angeles (~120 miles) that operated via Kansas City and took 4 days!

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by BostonBeau
Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Mirabel Airport - Montreal
Replies: 56
Views: 9943

Re: Mirabel Airport - Montreal

How does the situation between YUL and YMX compare to the situation we had in the USA between DCA and IAD? When IAD opened, basically only the long-distance flights that had been using BWI moved there, but there were very few other flights for many years. When IAD first opened, it had fewer than 100...

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by BostonBeau
Sat Mar 17, 2018 12:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How did PanAm feed its network?
Replies: 100
Views: 11578

Re: How did PanAm feed its network?

Before deregulation, National operated several flights a day between BOS and JFK, generally timed to make connections to international flights at JFK. National operated more BOS-JFK flights than any other airline at the time. During those days, many people traveled to Europe on a package tour, and m...

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by BostonBeau
Fri Mar 16, 2018 3:29 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How did PanAm feed its network?
Replies: 100
Views: 11578

Re: How did PanAm feed its network?

The interchange out of New Orleans was on a Pan Am DC8-21 (non fanjet) and operated MSY-ATL-IAD-LHR. Never through Boston. Later, when they got rid of the DC8's at Pan Am, I think they went to a 747 for a while, but originated just out of ATL. Check out this page for PA52: I was wrong about the sto...

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by BostonBeau
Fri Mar 16, 2018 12:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How did PanAm feed its network?
Replies: 100
Views: 11578

Re: How did PanAm feed its network?

I used to like the interchange flights Pan Am operated with Delta and Northwest that passed through Boston on the way to Europe in the winter months (when Pan Am could not fill the planes just with Boston-originating passengers). Neither Delta nor Northwest served Boston at that point, and it was th...

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by BostonBeau
Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How did PanAm feed its network?
Replies: 100
Views: 11578

Re: How did PanAm feed its network?

And He tried to get Congress to make Pan Am the only legal flag carrier back in the 1940's and keep TWA out of the transatlantic market. That's when Howard Hughes was forced to appear at a Senate hearing. It didn't help Pan Am that the President was Harry Truman and that TWA was the hometown airlin...

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by BostonBeau
Wed Mar 14, 2018 10:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How did PanAm feed its network?
Replies: 100
Views: 11578

Re: How did PanAm feed its network?

How did Pan Am end up some critically short of political juice? Pan Am began in the 1920s/30s in the Caribbean and Central/South America. Pan Am would negotiate email and exclusive landing rights with all the various foreign governments, without the knowledge or consent of the appropriate U.S. auth...

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by BostonBeau
Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How did PanAm feed its network?
Replies: 100
Views: 11578

Re: How did PanAm feed its network?

The awarding of international airline routes used to be the personal purview of the President of the US. The CAB would have studies, meetings, discussions...and airlines wanting international routes would make their presentations...but the final decision was the President's. As someone mentioned, Pa...

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by BostonBeau
Fri Mar 02, 2018 3:41 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Interesting article on what the Concorde was like
Replies: 16
Views: 3261

Re: Interesting article on what the Concorde was like

Now this was 40+ years ago, but I vaguely remember walking through Concorde when it was in Boston (probably to try to convince MassPort to let it land there). I can't imagine an airline letting the public roam through one of their aircraft today, but that was another era. I was surprised at how smal...

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by BostonBeau
Sun Feb 11, 2018 8:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA & DL failed to capitalize fully TW & PA
Replies: 85
Views: 9632

Re: AA & DL failed to capitalize fully TW & PA

I never understood AA's purchase of the BOS-LHR route from TWA, and then gradually surrendering it to British Airways. They started out with I think 3 B777s a day (or it may have been two B777s in the evening and a B767 for the morning flight). Then it was three A300s. Then three 757s. Then (poof) n...

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by BostonBeau
Wed Jan 10, 2018 3:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why use widebodies for domestic flights?
Replies: 100
Views: 17985

Re: Why use widebodies for domestic flights?

I must be getting old enough to have experienced a nice variety of wide bodies on short flights as well. I recall being on a 767-200 between ORD and STL, and a L1011 between STL and MCO and JFK. I remember when Eastern regularly used the A300 on the BOS-LGA Shuttle! Although the 727s were comfortab...

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by BostonBeau
Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston aviation - 2018
Replies: 2468
Views: 248406

Re: Boston aviation - 2018

On their website???? You should be able to book round trip..[/quote] When you do a google search for BOS-LGW, there is a notation that separate tickets are necessary, which should be purchased at the same time. This is only for Norwegian at LGW, not for flights to LHR on other airlines. On the Norwe...

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by BostonBeau
Tue Jan 09, 2018 9:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boston aviation - 2018
Replies: 2468
Views: 248406

Re: Boston aviation - 2018

Does anyone know why Norwegian requires you to purchase 2 separate tickets for a return trip on their BOS-LGW service?

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by BostonBeau
Mon Dec 04, 2017 11:50 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: What would Pan Am look like today?
Replies: 26
Views: 4765

Re: What would Pan Am look like today?

I live in a town that the Pan Am Railways main freight line passes through. I was wondering yesterday, while waiting for a train to pass, if the railroad inherited the "waiting list for the moon" along with the Pan Am name and blue meatball logo. I think Pan Am started mentioning the waiti...

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by BostonBeau
Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: LIS as intermediate stop in 60s, 70s, and 80s
Replies: 34
Views: 7739

Re: LIS as intermediate stop in 60s, 70s, and 80s

Not really a technical stop, but Pan Am flew a B707 in the 60's twice a week JFK-BOS-SMA-LIS-CMN/RBA (The service to RBA was only during construction at CMN)

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by BostonBeau
Sun Oct 29, 2017 11:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Do Flight Attendants Know if a Passenger is Underage?
Replies: 57
Views: 16820

Re: Do Flight Attendants Know if a Passenger is Underage?

In the 50's, didn't TWA have to stop liquor service when flying over Kansas because Kansas was a "dry" state at the time?

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by BostonBeau
Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Early 747 lounges on upper deck?
Replies: 27
Views: 6424

Re: Early 747 lounges on upper deck?

I never flew on a 747 while there was still a lounge on the upper deck, but I did fly on the upper deck on VS's 747-100 "Spirit of Sir Freddie" several times while it was operating daily between Boston and London Gatwick. I used to chuckle when the FA would remind me that the secondary eme...

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by BostonBeau
Wed Aug 09, 2017 6:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How will Boeing name its future aircraft?
Replies: 56
Views: 12022

Re: How will Boeing name its future aircraft?

Tan Flyr wrote:
Maybe 2707?

Didn't Boeing already use 2707 for it's never-built supersonic entry in the 1960's? I suppose since President Kennedy canceled the project, and no actual plane was evry built (just a mock-up), they could use the number. But it might be considered unlucky.

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by BostonBeau
Mon Aug 07, 2017 2:55 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Did airlines love their 3 engine wide body aircraft?
Replies: 44
Views: 6957

Re: Did airlines love their 3 engine wide body aircraft?

Which airlines had BOTH the DC-10 and the L-1011 in their fleets? I know Pan Am did after the National merger, but were there others?

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by BostonBeau
Mon Aug 07, 2017 2:54 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Did airlines love their 3 engine wide body aircraft?
Replies: 44
Views: 6957

Re: Did airlines love their 3 engine wide body aircraft?

The DC-10 was popular in part because it provided a lot of capacity at airports with short runways. AA specifically ordered the DC-10 for airports like LGA and AA flew a number of the aircraft into LGA for years. Exactly! Although the DC-10 and L-1011 eventually took on mostly long haul flights, th...

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by BostonBeau
Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flight schedules of westbound PA round the world flight ?
Replies: 14
Views: 2265

Re: westbound PA round the world

Far as we can tell, HKG-LHR was the only no-local-passenger city pair. Plus, of course, LAX-JFK and vv. It must have been so frustrating for Pan Am not to have domestic routes in the USA at that point. And probably very expensive to have to fly empty planes to position them for an overseas flight. ...

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by BostonBeau
Tue Aug 01, 2017 12:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United's old DC-8 fleet questions
Replies: 111
Views: 11735

Re: United's old DC-8 fleet questions

In the 1960's Pan Am and Delta operated an interchange flight using one of Delta's DC-8's that would trek MSY-IAD-BOS-ORY. Delta operated the flight MSY-IAD, then Pan Am crews would take over at IAD. Delta had not yet taken over Northeast Airlines and did not yet serve BOS, so this was the only time...

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by BostonBeau
Sun Jul 30, 2017 3:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United's old DC-8 fleet questions
Replies: 111
Views: 11735

Re: United's old DC-8 fleet questions

And I had no idea that PanAm had them. What routes did PanAm use them on? Pan Am bought DC-8's mostly as a bargaining chip with Boeing. The B707 was originally designed to have 5-across seating in Economy, whereas the DC-8 was going to have 6-across. To convince Boeing that 6-across was the way to ...

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by BostonBeau
Sat Jul 08, 2017 4:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is protected US domestic market really unique?
Replies: 56
Views: 5001

Re: Is protected US domestic market really unique?

Do most US airlines still belong to CRAF? I don't think the US government would want to have to contract with "foreign" airlines to carry US troops and equipment.

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by BostonBeau
Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airline stopovers at small airports
Replies: 58
Views: 9760

Re: Airline stopovers at small airports

I think a lot of the service to smaller cities arose when the CAB still regulated the airlines. I don't think airlines could just drop service the way they can now. In New England, Northeast Airlines was forced to maintain routes that were clearly unprofitable, and as aircraft became bigger, the rou...

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by BostonBeau
Tue May 30, 2017 5:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Braniff History Question - 747 Schedule April 1969
Replies: 49
Views: 5173

Re: Braniff History Question - 747 Schedule April 1969

I've never forgotten a memory of being at Logan airport waiting for some friends to arrive from Amsterdam on Braniff. I was upstairs in terminal E in the departure area watching out the windows for the B747 to land (those were the days...I doubt you can go up there now without a ticket). There was a...

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by BostonBeau
Wed May 24, 2017 7:57 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Ever fly on the same plane twice?
Replies: 138
Views: 10439

Re: Ever fly on the same plane twice?

Virgin Atlantic used to have a single 747-100 "Spirit of Sir Freddie" that was used most commonly on BOS-LGW, so I flew on Sir Freddie several times. Before VS, I used to fly Pan Am and encountered Clipper Kit Carson more than once.

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by BostonBeau
Wed Apr 12, 2017 7:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Would PanAm have refreshed their livery if they were still around?
Replies: 41
Views: 7144

Re: Would PanAm have refreshed their livery if they were still around?

I doubt they would have messed with the blue meatball on the tail, but the lettering on the fuselage could have been tinkered with. The black "Pan American" text above the windows looked fine on the B707s, but was lost on the expanse of the B747s. So they came up with the billboard paint s...

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by BostonBeau
Mon Feb 20, 2017 10:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic LGW operations and former routes
Replies: 26
Views: 4986

Re: Virgin Atlantic LGW operations and former routes

I used to fly VS to London 2 or 3 times a year from BOS. The flight was most commonly operated with VS's B747-100 "Spirit of Sir Freddie". I think it was their only 747-100, but for a short hop like BOS-LGW, it was fine. I was actually kind of disappointed when they retired "Freddie&q...

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by BostonBeau
Tue Jan 31, 2017 11:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: British Airways/BOAC at BGR??
Replies: 7
Views: 1975

British Airways/BOAC at BGR??

I know that Finnair briefly served Bangor International Airport in Maine in the late 90's on a Helsinki/Florida B757 flight with the right to carry passengers BGR-HEL: there is a thread on this. But the Bangor Maine Wikipedia page says "Decades ago, British Airways offered regular service from ...

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by BostonBeau
Tue Jan 31, 2017 3:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: BOS-Europe routes from 1960s-1980s
Replies: 52
Views: 7630

Re: BOS-Europe routes from 1960s-1980s

Pan Am also had services Boston to Santa Maria, also originating in New York, twice weekly if I remember correctly. The flights continued on to Lisbon and then Casablanca (during construction at Casablanca, the flights operated to Rabat for a bit).

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