Search found 12645 matches

by Polot
Sat Jan 22, 2022 3:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order
Replies: 365
Views: 36827

Re: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order

There may be a clause in the A321 contract about QR remaining a customer "in good standing" if QR have defaulted on any payments to Airbus or deliveries on the A350 contract they would cease to be. One contract can easily be linked to or bleed over into another. I do not think there’s suc...

Jump to post
by Polot
Sat Jan 22, 2022 2:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order
Replies: 365
Views: 36827

Re: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order

And Lufthansa started their A350 repaint at 4 years https://simpleflying.com/lufthansa-airbus-a350-repaint/amp/ Reports are those A350s were repainted by Airbus under warranty (which is why they were repainted at TLS) free of charge to LH for technical reasons: https://www.aerotelegraph.com/airbus-...

Jump to post
by Polot
Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order
Replies: 365
Views: 36827

Re: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order

Cannot be retroactive, and cannot cover aircraft that have already had their warranties expire. If you bought a car battery with 12 month warranty 5 years ago, and buy the same model today however that now comes with a 18 month warranty, you cannot retroactively apply the warranty of new one for th...

Jump to post
by Polot
Fri Jan 21, 2022 10:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order
Replies: 365
Views: 36827

Re: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order

And now we are getting back to argument of what is “normal” degradation and wear and tear. QR and Airbus are clearly not in agreement. Can you point to a statement by QR which says that the surface should not degrade at all ? Can you point to a statement by Airbus which says that the surface should...

Jump to post
by Polot
Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order
Replies: 365
Views: 36827

Re: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order

Why are you bringing warranties into the discussion? That’s not at issue. It is central to QRs court filing Eg “ Alternatively, damages for the Defendant’s failure to pay AOG Compensation in breach of Clause 3.2 of the SCL and/or the Warranties.” “ THE CTAPA (1) Warranties 39. Pursuant to the CTAPA...

Jump to post
by Polot
Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order
Replies: 365
Views: 36827

Re: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order

SCL for MSN420 is probably reflective of rest of the fleet. There is nothing special about MSN420 (eg test frame) other than the fact that it appears that MSN was the last one QR took delivery of. If Airbus applied a special SCL for that frame (delivered after problems with A7-ALL uncovered?) some ...

Jump to post
by Polot
Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Icelandair postpones widebody renewal, citing better than expected MAX performance
Replies: 71
Views: 10601

Re: Icelandair postpones widebody renewal, citing better than expected MAX performance

https://www.visir.is/g/20222211429d/god-utkoma-boeing-max-frestar-kaupum-a-langdraegari-thotum This translates loosely to FI being so happy with the MAX fuel efficiency and increased range, leading to it operating routes such as KEF-SEA and MCO without penalties, that it has reduced the need for a ...

Jump to post
by Polot
Fri Jan 21, 2022 9:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order
Replies: 365
Views: 36827

Re: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order

So in summary of the AirInsight article: - In November of 2020, QR brings the paint issue to Airbus' attention - Airbus agrees to sign an SCL that stipulates $175k/day damages for every plane out of service for 12+ hours a day - In the summer of 2021, Qatari regulator is the only regulator to groun...

Jump to post
by Polot
Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order
Replies: 365
Views: 36827

Re: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order

https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/1484581665519198208?s=20 Finally we get some videos of the damage This looks not so bad as the pictures we had earlier, no mesh to be seen or deteriorating material; just peeling paint. A lot of it, but just that… Uh…mesh can literally be seen in the first two p...

Jump to post
by Polot
Fri Jan 21, 2022 7:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Hub Facilities
Replies: 147
Views: 23425

Re: American Airlines Hub Facilities

I've never been to CLT but from what I always have heard, hasn't it always been regarded as a nice facility? Terminal D is nice (and obviously the brand new terminal A), but those are the two terminals AA are least likely to find themselves in. The main atrium has its charm. The rest is just narrow...

Jump to post
by Polot
Fri Jan 21, 2022 6:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A330/350 Freighter Topic
Replies: 42
Views: 5968

Re: A330/350 Freighter Topic

That said, this wouldn't happen unless FX is able to sort out the wingspan/gate issue at their US hubs. They aren't going to redo the gates at the hubs. It's a nonstarter. The capacity gap is solved with more frames, which they have options for anyway. FX wants factory freighters now, I give them a...

Jump to post
by Polot
Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Icelandair postpones widebody renewal, citing better than expected MAX performance
Replies: 71
Views: 10601

Re: Icelandair postpones widebody renewal, citing better than expected MAX performance

So can Icelandair finally become as big as Copa? While its a nice to be able to do say (random city pair) with 1 stop, when you can do 50 random city pairs with 1 stop instead of 2, does it start making sense like Copa and Emirates? They will never be as big as Copa, because ultimately Panama/PTY i...

Jump to post
by Polot
Fri Jan 21, 2022 2:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order
Replies: 365
Views: 36827

Re: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order

So a contract term that might be perfectly legal in say Qatar (or even France) but is not allowed under English law will be disregarded. Indeed it may mean the whole contract becomes unenforceable (as an aside I once signed a US based contract of employment for a UK based job. It has restrictive co...

Jump to post
by Polot
Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Icelandair postpones widebody renewal, citing better than expected MAX performance
Replies: 71
Views: 10601

Re: Icelandair postpones widebody renewal, citing better than expected MAX performance

Icelandair makes good money on freight. From Iceland it is mainly fresh food, very time critical goods. The last years it was mainly cod, now fresh salmon from Iceland is getting moved by air too.The 757 and 767 have belly freight capacities, the 737 less so. I assume the decision if a 737, 757 or ...

Jump to post
by Polot
Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Belarusian Government Officials Charged With Aircraft Piracy
Replies: 20
Views: 2186

Re: Belarusian Government Officials Charged With Aircraft Piracy

So WHY is the US charging anyone for an incident involving Belarusian citizens, flying over Belarus, in a aircraft registered in Malta? The two arrested were wanted for involvement in the Belarus Coup attempt. This is very dangerous precedent to set. The US has diverted more than one aircraft over ...

Jump to post
by Polot
Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order
Replies: 365
Views: 36827

Re: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute pt. 2

Does a 25% holding give them a blocking vote under UK law? With IAG being registered in Spain, then Spanish law might take precedence. Odd that Qatar would sue Airbus in a UK court, then. https://www.forbes.com/sites/dominicdudley/2021/12/21/qatar-airways-sues-airbus-in-london-court-as-a350-dispute...

Jump to post
by Polot
Fri Jan 21, 2022 1:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Belarusian Government Officials Charged With Aircraft Piracy
Replies: 20
Views: 2186

Re: Belarusian Government Officials Charged With Aircraft Piracy

So WHY is the US charging anyone for an incident involving Belarusian citizens, flying over Belarus, in a aircraft registered in Malta? The two arrested were wanted for involvement in the Belarus Coup attempt. This is very dangerous precedent to set. The US has diverted more than one aircraft over ...

Jump to post
by Polot
Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order
Replies: 365
Views: 36827

Re: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order

Well Boeing has built at least one 789 at CHS for QR (LN 1109) so Qatar has clearly not told them they are halting all deliveries now that 787 is CHS only. I did not make that up, it was widely reported and previously discussed on here eg https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/20/business/boeing-dreamline...

Jump to post
by Polot
Fri Jan 21, 2022 12:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order
Replies: 365
Views: 36827

Re: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order

Boeing will have good margins on the coming orders from Qatar Airways. Like the A350s a lot of their other aircraft are not owned, I don’t see a situation where a leasing company is willing to pay higher airframe prices, why would you as a leasing company do this when the capital could be used for ...

Jump to post
by Polot
Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order
Replies: 365
Views: 36827

Re: Qatar and Airbus Legal Dispute Continues - Airbus Revokes A321 Order

MrHMSH wrote:

IB and BA's lack of A350 deliveries might be down to QR's influence, but can't guarantee that as 78Xs for BA have also been deferred. Might just be IAG doesn't want them yet. G-XWBI has been flying recently, at least.

Well right now nobody is taking 787s.

Jump to post
by Polot
Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing confirms higher gross weight 787-10
Replies: 379
Views: 56119

Re: Boeing confirms higher gross weight 787-10

Me too, this is what Airbus learned when they thought they needed to HGW the A346 in response to the B77W, then only offered the HGW version Well Airbus did that (made HGW standard that is) because the A345/6 wasn’t selling and they wanted to recuperate at least some of the cost of the HGW developm...

Jump to post
by Polot
Thu Jan 20, 2022 8:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing confirms higher gross weight 787-10
Replies: 379
Views: 56119

Re: Boeing confirms higher gross weight 787-10

I just hope Boeing can do it without sacrificing CASM at lower ranges. Me too, this is what Airbus learned when they thought they needed to HGW the A346 in response to the B77W, then only offered the HGW version Well Airbus did that (made HGW standard that is) because the A345/6 wasn’t selling and ...

Jump to post
by Polot
Thu Jan 20, 2022 2:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing confirms higher gross weight 787-10
Replies: 379
Views: 56119

Re: Boeing confirms higher gross weight 787-10

The only way Airbus gets Ultrafan exclusivity is if they pay for its development (and hold rights to its design/patents). Doing so dramatically changes the business case of a A350 re-engine: you are suddenly adding several billion to it because Airbus has to eat all the engine development costs, not...

Jump to post
by Polot
Thu Jan 20, 2022 11:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A330/350 Freighter Topic
Replies: 42
Views: 5968

Re: A330/350 Freighter Topic

I think A333P2F can have a role in FX/UPS’s fleet- it is a much larger aircraft than the 763F. The A332P2F not so much. I am not so sure as they already operate the B777F - why have another type of aircraft to complicate matters? Any A330P2F would be for regional use while the 777F’s primary focus ...

Jump to post
by Polot
Wed Jan 19, 2022 7:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Status of Delta 777’s
Replies: 12
Views: 4362

Re: Status of Delta 777’s

The 10 77Ls have all been purchased by Mammoth to be converted by them to freighters.

Jump to post
by Polot
Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ex-easyJet A319s going to United
Replies: 8
Views: 2408

Re: Ex-easyJet A319s going to United

Most if not all are not entering service anymore. One shows as being delivered yesterday, 1/18/22... Why would they still be accepting the deliveries if they aren't going into service? Because getting out of contracts cost money, as does entering them into service. They will be sold or more likely ...

Jump to post
by Polot
Wed Jan 19, 2022 6:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ex-easyJet A319s going to United
Replies: 8
Views: 2408

Re: Ex-easyJet A319s going to United

Most if not all are not entering service anymore.

Jump to post
by Polot
Wed Jan 19, 2022 3:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing confirms higher gross weight 787-10
Replies: 379
Views: 56119

Re: Boeing confirms higher gross weight 787-10

As such the B787-9 gear was retained. Some orders were lost because of that - SQ and CX have replaced their old B777-200s with the A350-900. Uh…you do realize that SQ is one of the largest 787-10 operators right? SQ currently has 58 A350-900s and 15 B787-10s and they are deployed in a similar fashi...

Jump to post
by Polot
Wed Jan 19, 2022 12:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing confirms higher gross weight 787-10
Replies: 379
Views: 56119

Re: Boeing confirms higher gross weight 787-10

But did Elroy say 787 or 787-9? He said 787-10 And I believe it was also pointed out that the 787 fleets that were mentioned some do not include the 787-10 so their intention were to include models like the 787-8 and 787-9. Unless you disagree and are now saying AA has the 787-10 in their fleet ? I...

Jump to post
by Polot
Wed Jan 19, 2022 11:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing confirms higher gross weight 787-10
Replies: 379
Views: 56119

Re: Boeing confirms higher gross weight 787-10

flee wrote:
As such the B787-9 gear was retained. Some orders were lost because of that - SQ and CX have replaced their old B777-200s with the A350-900.

Uh…you do realize that SQ is one of the largest 787-10 operators right?

Jump to post
by Polot
Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A330-300 first revenue flight, 28 years ago today.
Replies: 63
Views: 8988

Re: A330-300 first revenue flight, 28 years ago today.

Airbus still list 12 orders for the A330-300. Eight are for CASC and four undisclosed. Might the undisclosed be part of the sometime Iran Air order? And what's with the CASC order? Obviously, the plane is no longer in production. The four undisclosed were booked in 2021 and is someone taking over H...

Jump to post
by Polot
Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Allegiant orders 30 737MAX7 and 20 737MAX8-200 plus 50 options
Replies: 473
Views: 59382

Re: Allegiant nearing deal for 737MAX

I personally find it fascinating they chose more -7s than 8200. I didn't expect that. The ancillary revenue model is dependent upon butts in seats. Now Allegiant does their math, so they have a reason, I'd love to know more of their thinking. Lightsaber I think it’s more of a reflection of how desp...

Jump to post
by Polot
Tue Jan 18, 2022 1:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A330-300 first revenue flight, 28 years ago today.
Replies: 63
Views: 8988

Re: A330-300 first revenue flight, 28 years ago today.

Airbus still list 12 orders for the A330-300. Eight are for CASC and four undisclosed. Might the undisclosed be part of the sometime Iran Air order? And what's with the CASC order? Obviously, the plane is no longer in production. The four undisclosed were booked in 2021 and is someone taking over H...

Jump to post
by Polot
Sun Jan 16, 2022 1:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1305
Views: 250938

Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

From who? I thought the were all accounted for Down the road I’m sure more Lionair frames will be available. I don’t know if Avelo would be interested in them though. Would they complicate so early? There will be more 737-900ERs coming off lease from LionAir. DL will only buy at quite low prices, s...

Jump to post
by Polot
Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Malta new livery and fight to survive
Replies: 20
Views: 5547

Re: Air Malta new livery and fight to survive

sorry but that's too cheap. ridiculous paint like that The competition is too great, the Maltese government has failed to protect Air Malta. This is a good time for review of EU competition and government subsidy rules, and the case studies of how assiduously AFKL and LH Group support plans were cr...

Jump to post
by Polot
Sat Jan 15, 2022 4:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing confirms higher gross weight 787-10
Replies: 379
Views: 56119

Re: Boeing confirms higher gross weight 787-10

It will be interesting to see how big they could make the wing. They could stretch out another 15ft and still fit in gates. They could use the 203ft design originally intended for the 787-9. Why not use the folding wingtip technology developed for the 777X? If a 777 can be rewinged with 787 wing te...

Jump to post
by Polot
Sat Jan 15, 2022 2:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Malta new livery and fight to survive
Replies: 20
Views: 5547

Re: Air Malta new livery and fight to survive

TKflyer wrote:
sorry but that's too cheap.
ridiculous paint like that

The competition is too great, the Maltese government has failed to protect Air Malta.

There is really no reason that Malta needs a government owned airline in the first place. It’s all for pride and prestige.

Jump to post
by Polot
Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 1305
Views: 250938

Re: Avelo Airlines News and Discussion Thread

Cardude2 wrote:
MavyWavyATR wrote:
Does anyone think Avelo would be interested in -900ER's down the road (especially after all the expansion work at HVN is complete)?

From who? I thought the were all accounted for

Down the road I’m sure more Lionair frames will be available. I don’t know if Avelo would be interested in them though.

Jump to post
by Polot
Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 787 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022
Replies: 52
Views: 11142

Re: Boeing 787 Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

What is the story with the Air China 787-9 at CHS that has been undelivered for years? Guessing they don't need it since international travel in and out of China cratered due to COVID so existing wide bodies have been used on domestic runs. Air China is starting to take planes again, so maybe they ...

Jump to post
by Polot
Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest Airlines News and Discussion Thread - 2022
Replies: 87
Views: 14179

Re: Southwest Airlines News and Discussion Thread - 2022

And I am not counting any of the AirTran birds headed to United Is there something different about the former AirTran 73Gs that made WN want to offload them, and/or is there some reason UA wants them? I believe they are leased. When lease was over WN didn’t want them at the time or UA offered a hig...

Jump to post
by Polot
Fri Jan 14, 2022 2:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: HS Trident
Replies: 117
Views: 15983

Re: HS Trident

oldannyboy Not forgetting G-AWZT, lost on 10 September 1976 in a mid-air collision with an Inex-Adria DC9 near Zagreb. One of the F/Os and I had recently been flatmates and I remember it as if it were yesterday. Oh wow, how shocking. Terrible story. I'd forgotten about that. Was that the accident w...

Jump to post
by Polot
Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lack of international flights at RDU
Replies: 184
Views: 17543

Re: Lack of international flights at RDU

CLT doesn’t even have flights to South America and Asia and you think RDU can support them?

Heck PHL (the airport you said RDU could become) has no flights to South America and only Doha in Asia.

Jump to post
by Polot
Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread, Q1 2022
Replies: 26
Views: 3095

Re: COVID-19 Aviation Related News & Discussion Thread, Q1 2022

People on cruise ships, particularly in warm weather, tend to spend a fair bit of time outdoors, with wind blowing and lots of fresh air to blow away any viruses quickly. People in aircraft and airport terminals tend not to have that outdoor fresh air / wind blowing experience (unless flying on an ...

Jump to post
by Polot
Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2022
Replies: 25
Views: 5753

Re: Airbus A330neo Production/Delivery Thread - 2022

papatango wrote:
Have any of the AirAsia 330neos been delivered?

None, at least to AirAsia. The two A330neos AirAsia X operated were from lessors and not their direct order.

Jump to post
by Polot
Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Eastern Airlines News and Discussion Thread - 2022
Replies: 26
Views: 3358

Re: Eastern Airlines News and Discussion Thread - 2022

william wrote:
So what is Eastern? An airline or charter company? Website is vague.

They an airline that operates scheduled flights with questionable reliability and service, charter flights, and who loves announcing routes that often do not come to fruition.

Jump to post
by Polot
Thu Jan 13, 2022 11:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries
Replies: 193
Views: 46444

Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 deliveries

Airbus have in recent years delivered about 10+ A400 (haven't checked 2021 deliveries) on average. The A400 is never counted. I would guess that is because there isn't a civilian variant of this aircraft? The A400 is a military, widebody freighter and tanker, somewhat smaller than the KC-46, with s...

Jump to post
by Polot
Wed Jan 12, 2022 4:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Airlines Network Thread - 2022
Replies: 218
Views: 50316

Re: United Airlines Network Thread - 2022

Does anyone know why you still can’t purchase business class tickets on EWR PDL flights? Every day I look, I see the J seats held. Which then begs the question "why are the J seats held?" To which I don't know the answer. I believe it's simply being sold as Premium Economy, so the 'Busine...

Jump to post
by Polot
Wed Jan 12, 2022 11:23 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Allegiant orders 30 737MAX7 and 20 737MAX8-200 plus 50 options
Replies: 473
Views: 59382

Re: Allegiant orders 30 737MAX7 and 20 737MAX8-200 plus 50 options

Perhaps the trick Airbus missed here was offering the A220 in the first place. Offering the A319/A320/A321neos may have got them closer but they would still have lost on delivery schedule and I expect cost as well - not as hungry as Boeing for this business. Allegiant is not interested in planes th...

Jump to post
by Polot
Tue Jan 11, 2022 3:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated ITA/Alitalia News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 2136
Views: 521198

Re: Updated ITA/Alitalia News and Discussion Thread

Not sure if QR still has money to burn, but they clearly showed interest in the Italian market previously with the Meridiana experiment. Perhaps a combo of IAG and QR money would be enough to get it over the hump. With the IAG runs things though I would imagine they would be interested in cultivati...

Jump to post