Re: US Airline Booking Trends during COVID-19

The Wall Street journal says the reduction in business travel may be permanent. Travel executives forecast a permanent reduction in business travel due to Covid-19 of around 15%, and some analysts are even gloomier https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/a-chunk-of-corporate-travel-ma...

Re: Large German Corporations Lobbying Against Advance Payments for Airline Tickets

Given that there would be no payment until check in, presumably the price would be set at that point. More importantly, you could get to check in, and be told there are no tickets available. Not a terribly good outcome for the corporates. Nonsense, my hotel price doesn't get set the minute I check ...

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q3 2020

Back in March, did anyone genuinely think that the MAX would be on the ground for the neck end of 21 months? I wouldn't wish Covid19 on anyone, but it couldn't have happened at a better time for the MAX. A 21 month grounding with the airline industry in full chat and the NEO coming off the lines at...

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, Q3 2020

And even though many many people on a.net still believe that everyone will forget about the issues and happily fly on the max, why are airlines offering free changes? Because in reality people are still scared of the plane I guess? Well these are the same people who at the height of the pandemic sa...

Re: How many aircraft waiting for delivery at Boeing, Airbus, and Embraer?

So, for A320 XFW~40 ERF: 23 RLG:15 or 78 stored Plus, TLS, BFM, and TSN That is an interesting sum. Lightsaber Are all these aircraft undelivered? Is it possible that some of them have already been handed over to their customers but that for some reason the delivery flight is actually postponed? Yo...

Re: Airbus threatens to sue airlines

While this discussion focuses on Airbus’ choice to make the demands (as an in-house lawyer, legal doesn’t just issue demands without business sign off), I think it would be interesting to consider which airlines. Earlier I looked at A330 and A350 production and the only real airline that would prob...

Re: PIA A320 (flight PK8303) crashes in Karachi

You know, I have also been interested in the emotionless tone of the crew. While we all expect a crew to perform in a trained, professional manner during events, this crew seems beyond that. Almost unaware to a degree. Now, I don't mean to go off topic win this , however, this flight was just 7 day...

Re: Airbus announces € 1.36 billion net loss

Why don't you have your talk about European defense strategy in the non-avaition part of the forum???

Re: Airbus Cuts A320, A330, and A350 Production Rate

lhrnue wrote:

This must mean that many airlines have agreed to deferred delivery dates already.

Re: Airbus Financial Discussion 2020

the job cuts in D&S were planned before Corona
Cash will be an issue short term and how much of the order book will be lost.
However it will free capacity for potential 737 customers to switch so outlook should be better than for Boeing....

Re: Boeing Financial Discussion 2020

Any chance of: ⋅ Boeing being bought out (taken over) by another company with healthy cash at hand? (e.g., Apple or some other U.S. corporate entity/giant) Analysts were valuing the whole company at a modest price of less than $100B ⋅  If it is really is too big to fail (I agree...

Re: What should we do with our money in the market

Frankly, I'm looking for some prime blue chips and buying them cheap.. Companies that will not fail. Unfortunately, that does not include airline stocks in the US. In Sept 2008, I was retiring in December, as my bank was taken over by the FDIC, I thought about sell my stocks in the 401K and turning...

Re: Boeing in Crisis

SteinarN wrote:

Dieuwer wrote:

Dieuwer wrote:

Lower than $100 you mean

$100 here we are.

Basically, yes.
It was at 90 earlier today, have recovered somewhat and are now at 102.

Re: What should we do with our money in the market

Eiszeit wrote:

my pesonal view as of 8:30 gmt on the 16th of march, this is not the the bottom of the pit for the markets, we are balancing on the rim.

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding, General Discussion Thread, January 2020

Firstly, to all the Boeing employees who may be reading this thread - hang in there! I cannot even start to imagine the stress that this management induced debacle has caused you, but hopefully there is light at the end of the tunnel. nice warm words of comfort but you do realize that many many Boe...

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended

Both flights flew with the same faulty sensor. And the first crew had no idea MCAS existed. But please continue .. :roll: Which lends credence to Boeing's position during certification that they didn't need to know and would recover with the runaway stabilizer NNC... Yes, I know, 3rd pilot, blah bl...

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019, Production suspended

As my user name implies, I am not a techie so, please no abuse even if the idea is way off. There is some adage to the effect that crises sometimes present opportunities. If the MAX situation does not seem to be likely to be resolved soon, how about: - Boeing and Airbus form a Joint venture, Boeing...

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

Jesus, still blaming the pilots..... Glad I barely read this thread anymore.

Any substantive news about RTS?

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q4 2019

Too pessimistic. Boeing is going nowhere. It's in a sellers market. For comparison, VW has lost 18 b usd due to the pollution scandal. Its around 10 b usd for Boeing till now. And Boeing has a captive defence arm, with assured contracts. Boeing just has to ensure that the max is as foolproof as its...

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

What forces inside the FAA prevent them to do what the EASA do ? Boeing. Sorry for the very short answer, was just thinking loud. I agree. And somewhat magically, EASA have agreed with Airbus that 100% of all deaths on Airbus aircraft are the result of incompetent pilots. I think once EASA has forc...

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

Boeing is sure taking actions that indicate that it thinks the grounding order will be lifted shortly. 1) Yesterday it was the announcment that it will hire 200 temp techs to get the parked/recent builds ready to fly. 2) Today the announcment that it will increase Max production rates to 52/month i...

Re: Rumor: Airbus to launch A350-1000ULR

The 777x is being sustained by one airline. Except it really isn't. Emirates may currently have the bulk of frames on order with Qatar well behind, but you also have five other airlines in Europe and Asia that each have ~20 each on order, which is a decent size fleet and a UFO (probably Chinese) th...

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

* The 737 Max does not currently hold a Certificate of Airworthiness AFAIK the 737-8/9 MAX only have prohibition / suspended / banned (depending on the country) flight operation. I.e. for USA https://www.faa.gov/news/updates/media/Emergency_Order.pdf I did not remember reading a change regarding th...

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

which 737 MAX has been delivered since the grounding? .... we dont know, do we? maybe they - delivered and the planes now are owned by the airlines but are parked @ BA - informed that the planes are ready for picking up, but the airlines didnt pick them up there are a lot of situations think able b...

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

Nope, sorry but that is simply not true. If WN successfully negotiated that Boeing has to pay 1m US$ for each day of delay with no cap on it, than that is what Boeing has to pay. It doesn't matter what other aircraft WN might use or not use in the interim. This may be in regard to a delay of delive...

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

However, mitigating factors are taken into account (at least in the US). I know that they haven't, but let's say WN leases a used 737-800 to replace an unflyable MAX. Now they are able to make the same revenue but they have a cost for the lease and will use additional fuel vs. the MAX. Boeing would...

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

Regarding possible compensation, you all need to look at airline profit not revenue. Airlines seem to profit anywhere from 5 to 10 percent on their revenue. You might want to look at yahoo finance and examine AAL, DAL, UAL, etc. And someone might make the argument that the routes a 737 operate are ...

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

Regarding possible compensation, you all need to look at airline profit not revenue. Airlines seem to profit anywhere from 5 to 10 percent on their revenue. You might want to look at yahoo finance and examine AAL, DAL, UAL, etc. And someone might make the argument that the routes a 737 operate are ...

Re: United going after hidden-city travellers

I think DC10CO put it best. Just because you don’t like the price of Walmart’s TVs, doesn’t mean you get to decide what price you’ll pay and take the TV. If you don’t like how the airlines price, don’t use their service. Attempting to exploit their pricing model for your gain makes you no better th...

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

I don't think Boeing will rush through the fix, or that the fix won't be the right one. They know that if another crash occurs, it will be catastrophic to the 737 program and pose serious threat to the company. I don't think anyone in Boeing is thinking that the first thing is to unground the plane...

Re: United going after hidden-city travellers

what an absurd analogy! It's like comparing a Y ticket to an F ticket. Not the same!! If you want to stick with the photographer analogy, here's one that works. Photos at the church $500 Photos at the party $200 Current super bonus offer get both for just $400. So after church you send the photogra...

Re: United going after hidden-city travellers

why on earth would any airline want to punish their customers for skipping the last leg? I paid for the ticket, including the last leg and I reserve my right not to use it. You already have my money, what's the problem? Everything else is making a you problem my problem. So you pay a photographer t...

Re: United going after hidden-city travellers

why on earth would any airline want to punish their customers for skipping the last leg? I paid for the ticket, including the last leg and I reserve my right not to use it. You already have my money, what's the problem? Everything else is making a you problem my problem. So you pay a photographer t...

Re: United going after hidden-city travellers

why on earth would any airline want to punish their customers for skipping the last leg?
I paid for the ticket, including the last leg and I reserve my right not to use it. You already have my money, what's the problem?

Everything else is making a you problem my problem.

Re: Mass Shooting in Dayton, 10 Dead

https://i.redd.it/jcb726bvrfe31.jpg Points like this are where the MSM puts their fingers in their ears and says: "I can't hear you. I can't hear you!!" classic whataboutism :sarcastic: the difference is whether is it gang on gang crime or shootings in relation to other crimes being commi...

Re: Pilots arrested at Glasgow Airport before boarding US flight

I’m assuming that this is deliberately provocative? Have you ever been to Scotland? Sandyb123 Yes I’ve been there and enjoyed it. Those are just facts though. Scotland drug death rate highest in Europe and still on rise: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-48358404 Alcohol abuse is so rife even t...

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

I do not see a reason to doubt Boeing, they gain nothing by a too optimistic schedule and they have the knowledge, resources and competence to even beat their own deadlines. Boeing always delivers. Seriously? Boeing always delivers? Thruth is, it is common business practice nowadays only to admit t...

Re: More Bad News for Boeing: Poor quality complaints from customers

You won't find a single manufacturer of anything that doesn't receive poor quality complaints from customers. None of this really means anything without a baseline reference from the entire industry. Absolutely not! And while yes, the customer has his quality inspection rep present during manufactu...

Re: Airbus studying an A321neo line in Toulouse

Glad Airbus managed to get the german unions to go onboard the project. This was for long the main barrier to get an A321 FAL in TLS Great news ! it's the French union supporting it, I'm sure the Germany unions have high reservations to say the least Can you all tell me how much influence the Frenc...

Re: Airbus studying an A321neo line in Toulouse

That sounds like an additional production line, for two in Toulouse and five globally. The current number of Assembly Lines is: Toulouse: 2 (A320) Hamburg: 4 (A319/A320/A321) Mobile: 1 (A320) Tianjin: 1 (A320) Given the huge size of the Lagardere building, I think that 2 lines can fit inside. The m...

Re: Airbus studying an A321neo line in Toulouse

euroflyer wrote:

Glad Airbus managed to get the german unions to go onboard the project. This was for long the main barrier to get an A321 FAL in TLS

Great news !

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

As you cannot duplicate to make redundant an old cable control in such a plane without heavy redesign of the frame, the Max program is today a testimony of a product designed for a specific era, suddenly belonging to a different one. Able only to being parked somewhere on the ground. Cheaper and qu...

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

I'm curious about Boeing continuing to pump frames out at 40+ a month. I understand there will be contracts with suppliers, so Boeing cannot just say: "Stop work on MAX components. We don't want any more for the time being thanks very much." I wonder, however, if there might be an element...

Re: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019

Dear a.netters, There seems to be a heated debate about the proper assessment of seating capacity of airliners, mainly fueled by the fact that there isn't a unique way to configure seats on a plane. May I kindly suggest that we should use the unit of cabin space in m² for our comparisons? This woul...

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

1) The MCAS/Flight Computer failure/issues was not the primary reason for the Lion Air crash. Yes that system failure created a problem and exposed a situation that led to the crash. I’m not an expert, so forgive me a naive question. But isn’t labeling everything on Boeing side as something that cr...

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

- Production architecture state of the art not matched by either A220 or A320. huh? :spit: what's your basis for such a bold statement? Not that it is the case today, but it would be even less so in 5-7 years when any such aircraft you dream of would be ready to ramp up at the earliest....

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

Just some perspective. The max had been flying for over a year without incident. By the time it was grounded there were nearly 400 taking to the skies. After the grounding, pilots didnt start coming out of the woodwork stating what a horrible plane it was to fly. I'm not saying the grounding is the...

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019

Just some perspective. The max had been flying for over a year without incident. By the time it was grounded there were nearly 400 taking to the skies. After the grounding, pilots didnt start coming out of the woodwork stating what a horrible plane it was to fly. I'm not saying the grounding is the...

Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q3 2019