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Tue Jul 23, 2019 12:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Can DL Pacific gateway in SEA work?
Replies: 84
Views: 10305

Re: Can DL Pacific gateway in SEA work?

The trouble is that SEA is too small so DL cant grow as large as they wish Seattle is the global headquarters for Amazon, Microsoft, Starbucks, Expedia, Costco, plus many others. It’s not some podunk backwater. But still small in overall total population. Don’t equate small with unimportant. As for...

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Mon Jul 22, 2019 9:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Can DL Pacific gateway in SEA work?
Replies: 84
Views: 10305

Re: Can DL Pacific gateway in SEA work?

Will DL ever be successful in making SEA their TPAC hub similar to UA at SFO? No. That was only the plan when it became apparent NRT was closing as a hub and KE and DL were fighting. Now that KE is a full JV partner there is no need to fly a bunch of risky stuff like SEA-SIN like they might have tr...

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Sun Jul 21, 2019 5:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NYC-Asia DL vs UA
Replies: 67
Views: 8409

Re: NYC-Asia DL vs UA

Reading the India start/restart threads got me thinking These routes are supposedly very profitable for UA. Same market essentially, but DL isnt very interested in NRT HND China and is just starting to put its toe in India. Historically, CO had to start these routes from EWR if they wanted to serve...

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Sat Jul 20, 2019 8:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NYC-Asia DL vs UA
Replies: 67
Views: 8409

Re: NYC-Asia DL vs UA

Delta was late to the game in forming SkyTeam and that didn’t help with Asia. They had to pick from the leftovers. Not being competitive in bidding and losing out to AA for a stake in JL didn’t help either. JL and CX would have been much better partners for DL and certainly would have helped JFK-As...

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Sat Jul 20, 2019 4:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NYC-Asia DL vs UA
Replies: 67
Views: 8409

Re: NYC-Asia DL vs UA

Is that how you feel or is that fact? Got any recent polls to back that up? I'd say just as important to lucrative, premium passengers is getting to where they are going with a reputable, on time airline and not roll the dice with the other US2 and their alliances. Connecting in ICN is a breeze, es...

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Sat Jul 20, 2019 5:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NYC-Asia DL vs UA
Replies: 67
Views: 8409

Re: NYC-Asia DL vs UA

Delta was late to the game in forming SkyTeam and that didn’t help with Asia. They had to pick from the leftovers. Not being competitive in bidding and losing out to AA for a stake in JL didn’t help either. JL and CX would have been much better partners for DL and certainly would have helped JFK-Asi...

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Thu Jul 18, 2019 8:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler
Replies: 169
Views: 20766

Re: “Dear American Airlines, I Hate You With My Whole Heart.” writes disgruntled traveler

As far as the highly restrictive Basic Economy product, I believe airlines are over-segmenting air travelers and are therefore managing too many margins in a defined space and creating too much complexity. It’s like trying to put The Ritz Carlton, The W, Westin, Courtyard by Marriott, Fairfield Inn ...

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Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Aeromexico reports loss; cancels PVG, suspends 5 other international routes
Replies: 44
Views: 9773

Re: Aeromexico reports loss; cancels PVG, suspends 5 other international routes

HP69 wrote:
Until Mexico City gets a new Airport, it will be hard for AeroMexico to profitably operate.


Sounds like they need some aircraft they can fly also.

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Wed Jul 17, 2019 11:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Temporarily Adds 777-200 LAS-NRT, DFW-LAS; A330 on PHL-LAS for CES 2020
Replies: 10
Views: 2619

Re: American Airlines Temporarily Adds 777-200 LAS-NRT, DFW-LAS; A330 on PHL-LAS for CES 2020

I know airlines upgauge for special events because of the traffic, but are there other examples of a US airline adding a p2p just for an event?

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Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cathay Pacific and LH Group to expand Codesharing
Replies: 26
Views: 4175

Re: Cathay Pacific and LH Group to expand Codesharing

zakuivcustom wrote:
I would argue that if CX are to add another partner in US, it'll be B6. That would increase CX's presence in both BOS and JFK. CX also codeshare with AS right now anyway, helping feeds on their SEA flights.


There is another airline that could also provide benefits to CX in BOS, JFK and SEA.

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Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cathay Pacific and LH Group to expand Codesharing
Replies: 26
Views: 4175

Re: Cathay Pacific and LH Group to expand Codesharing

I’m not convinced any airline is wedded to their respective alliance. Simply being a “founding member” is not a business reason. If more money can be made leaving an alliance, an airline will change partners, cancel JV agreements, sell/write-off financial investments and reconfigure networks. Corre...

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Wed Jul 17, 2019 4:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cathay Pacific and LH Group to expand Codesharing
Replies: 26
Views: 4175

Re: Cathay Pacific and LH Group to expand Codesharing

I’m not convinced any airline is wedded to their respective alliance. Simply being a “founding member” is not a business reason. If more money can be made leaving an alliance, an airline will change partners, cancel JV agreements, sell/write-off financial investments and reconfigure networks.

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Tue Jul 16, 2019 7:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lufthansa New Cabin Updates
Replies: 17
Views: 4740

Re: Lufthansa New Cabin Updates

Dedicated Business class inside Europe is effectively dead. [...] As a user of business class intra-Europe I'd like to add that because of how horrible the pitch is I'm avoiding LH and BA. And for that reason I'm also avoiding connecting on long haul on LH and BA. On both of those airlines there is...

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Mon Jul 15, 2019 7:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta’s Hubs
Replies: 30
Views: 4937

Re: Delta’s Hubs

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Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta’s Hubs
Replies: 30
Views: 4937

Re: Delta’s Hubs

This assessment is not even close to accurate. DL has the massive ATL hub. Atlanta is one of the largest metro areas in the US. DL also has a hub at BOS, which is almost the same size as SFO/DFW. DTW is also a large metro and DL has a large presence in SEA. Major DL Ops in JFK, LGA, LAX, BOS, ATL, ...

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Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta’s Hubs
Replies: 30
Views: 4937

Re: Delta’s Hubs

A successful airline’s network is much more complicated and driven by an insane amount of data and analytics than the OP’s comparison of hub locations to top eight metro areas. Networks are built to not only consider hubs with large O&D traffic but also draw from the surrounding region, geograph...

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Sun Jul 14, 2019 10:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta at LHR
Replies: 63
Views: 11955

Re: Delta at LHR

How are the DL/VS terminal facilities at LHR?

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Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta at LHR
Replies: 63
Views: 11955

Re: Delta at LHR

If you are counting VS/DL US flights as one at LHR, shouldn’t you count BA/AA LHR ops the same way? We could, but I think we all know AA/BA data would clearly be far ahead of DL/VS and UA. The OP stated, However, DL has far less daily departure from LHR than what AA and UA have. The real comparison...

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Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:22 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta at LHR
Replies: 63
Views: 11955

Re: Delta at LHR

Even without VS, DL is clearly the overall winner with 48 flights. The only airport that DL really is lacking to is FRA, but then UA only has 9 flights there itself, even less than what DL has at LHR. If it wasn't for the JV/part-ownership of VS, DL would most likely have a few more flights at LHR,...

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Sun Jul 14, 2019 7:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta at LHR
Replies: 63
Views: 11955

Re: Delta at LHR

First I think we need some data. How many flights LHR-USA are flown by: - AA - DL - DL+VS - UA AA: 21 daily: (4x JFK, 4x ORD, 4x DFW, 2x PHL, 2x CLT, 2x LAX, 1x MIA, 1x RDU, 1x PHX) VS: 17 daily: (6x JFK, 2x BOS, 2x LAX, 2x SFO, 1x EWR, 1x IAD, 1x ATL, 1x LAS, 1x SEA) UA: 17 daily: (5x EWR, 3x IAD,...

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Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM virtual look inside 787-10
Replies: 33
Views: 4892

Re: KLM virtual look inside 787-10

It's a cramped 787. Not fun on a 10 hour flight in economy. Cramped is up to the carrier. Every KL long-haul aircraft is going to be cramped. They think this style fits their market. Compare it to ANA's 215-seat 787-9. https://www.seatguru.com/airlines/ANA/ANA_Boeing_787-9_V2.php V1 and V2 look nic...

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Sun Jul 14, 2019 3:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM virtual look inside 787-10
Replies: 33
Views: 4892

Re: KLM virtual look inside 787-10

Great stuff, indeed. That's a fantastic virtual walk through! A few questions: 1. The 787 cockpit has four windows. Is it any less restricted in viewing than other aircraft with more windows? Are there regulations that govern the minimum viewing area outside from the cockpit? The 787 has great cock...

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Sat Jul 13, 2019 11:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta at LHR
Replies: 63
Views: 11955

Re: Delta at LHR

As we know, LHR is a OW hub. But, some *A members such as UA and AC still have more flights to LHR compare to other *A hub in Europe like FRA. However, DL has far less daily departure from LHR than what AA and UA have. I know the close relationship between DL and AF/KL with JV, will we see DL addin...

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Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM virtual look inside 787-10
Replies: 33
Views: 4892

Re: KLM virtual look inside 787-10

The length of the rows is different. This configuration seats most people with standard seat pitch for economy and comfort. Actually I misstated the number of Economy Comfort seats. - Two rows on the left = 6 - Five rows in the center section = 15 - Two rows on the right = 6 - Total Economy Comfort...

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Sat Jul 13, 2019 10:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM virtual look inside 787-10
Replies: 33
Views: 4892

Re: KLM virtual look inside 787-10

The Economy Comfort layout is odd. 2 rows left and right and 5 rows in the center section. Why did KL choose this configuration? Why not three rows left, center, right? This would have yielded 27 vs 24 seats. Is KL not confident it can sell an additional 3 Economy Comfort seats? The length of the r...

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Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM virtual look inside 787-10
Replies: 33
Views: 4892

Re: KLM virtual look inside 787-10

does anyone know what those 3 ceiling blue translucent "sheets" are in the front of the Y cabin? Movable cabin “dividers” to indicate the border between normal economy and economy comfort. A bit more legroom, you can see the offset between rows in the middle and window sides as well, and ...

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Sat Jul 13, 2019 9:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM virtual look inside 787-10
Replies: 33
Views: 4892

Re: KLM virtual look inside 787-10

That's a fantastic virtual walk through! A few questions: 1. The 787 cockpit has four windows. Is it any less restricted in viewing than other aircraft with more windows? Are there regulations that govern the minimum viewing area outside from the cockpit? 2. This cockpit had two well outfitted jumps...

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Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:26 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Why didn’t Delta or United order the 747-8?
Replies: 41
Views: 6450

Re: Why didn’t Delta or United order the 747-8?

One argument I haven’t seen here that’s not about pax capacity or range is the trend for frequency, i.e., three flight per day ABC-XYZ vs one flight. Correct me if I’m incorrect. It’s interesting that DL doesn’t have a need for the 77W like AA and UA. Their 777’s are configured 3-3-3 in Y not for pa...

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Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: TAP schedules first non stop A321LR service between Europa and South America
Replies: 105
Views: 19288

Re: TAP schedules first non stop A321LR service between Europa and South America

I’m not a nervous flyer but I am mildly claustrophobic. I always fly F/J on long haul international. I definitely prefer a wide body. While I have plenty of personal space on a 757 or 777 to Europe, for example, the larger cabin of a wide body aircraft makes for a calmer environment for me. With tha...

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Sun Jul 07, 2019 6:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why is AM/DL weak in Mexico vs AA
Replies: 48
Views: 5630

Re: Why is AM/DL weak in Mexico vs AA

PacoMartin wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
I thought they bought AM hoping to build on Asian traffic to Mexico City and connecting through to the capitals of South America. I don't think they were as interested in USA to small airports in Mexico.


Can you (or someone) explain this strategy?

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Thu Jul 04, 2019 6:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 2L/R on 757 and 321... Inefficient Use of Space?
Replies: 30
Views: 6152

2L/R on 757 and 321... Inefficient Use of Space?

I’ve always been a fan of boarding through 2L on the 757, especially when I get to turn left. However what a passenger prefers and an airline prefers can be very different.

Did airlines believe 2L/R on the 757 and 321 were an inefficient use of space?

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Wed Jul 03, 2019 2:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience
Replies: 156
Views: 20822

Re: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience

Are people so gullable? This is pretty much what United started doing... Basically it's taking what they've done for the most part already and deconstructing it. So what you have instead of getting the pig with the lipstick already on, the lipstick comes after you've received the pig. I'm prefer De...

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Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience
Replies: 156
Views: 20822

Re: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience

...none of this would've been possible under NW - due to AFA contracts. I am intrigued by your critical comments about DAL's new INTL service standards that you might not be one of the thousands of AFA's who fought NW at every juncture - and hundreds who still do - because it required a little more...

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Wed Jul 03, 2019 6:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience
Replies: 156
Views: 20822

Re: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience

Since a lot of corporate international flyers have to fly Y, does DL’s ability to demonstrate a more desirable Y experience (real or perceived) have any impact on its ability to sign more corporate contracts? Wouldn't know, but why would corporate contracts worry about minor (in the grand scheme of...

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Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:54 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience
Replies: 156
Views: 20822

Re: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience

USAirALB wrote:
...pax are looking at the menus...


From a waste perspective I don’t understand why DL uses menus in Y. Delta has invested a lot of money in seatback screens in Y. They should ditch the paper menus and place them on the IFE. Less waste. One less thing for Y passengers to store/keep track of.

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Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience
Replies: 156
Views: 20822

Re: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience

If they bring back meals on domestic flights and not charge for baggage, they will be a top carrier in the world! How are you measuring “top carrier in the world”? DL makes a ton of money from baggage fees. It’s easy money. If they give it up they’d have to find revenue from elsewhere to make up fo...

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Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience
Replies: 156
Views: 20822

Re: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience

How is DL letting their J product fall behind? Not disputing, just would like some examples. Thanks! -No premium lounges -Soft product stagnant to degrading (particularly domestic D1) -Very slow J seat replacement process -New 767 J seats will remain bottom tier Strange to see them focus on the Y p...

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Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience
Replies: 156
Views: 20822

Re: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience

MSPNWA wrote:
What I'm finding interesting is how DL is focused on the Y product and largely letting the J product fall behind their closest competitors.


How is DL letting their J product fall behind?

Not disputing, just would like some examples. Thanks!

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Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience
Replies: 156
Views: 20822

Re: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience

No doubt these changes were all made in a cost neutral way. Why is there no doubt? You've seen the financials at the very highest levels of the organization? Do you have specific, sourced information stating Delta is spending more money on Main Cabin catering? Of course not. Hint: If Delta was spen...

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Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience
Replies: 156
Views: 20822

Re: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience

Its fascinating to me to see airlines slowly but consistently, year after year, put back in all the things they took out when they were hemorrhaging money during the lean years. This is ALL window dressing. During the next economic downturn all of this will be the first to go. For example: In an ef...

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Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:26 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience
Replies: 156
Views: 20822

Re: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience

Let's take a look at how this differs from the current international main cabin offerings : 1. Bellini service replaces the first full beverage service that came with cocktail snacks. So if you want a diet coke or a gin and tonic, you're gonna have to wait for the beverage cart that accompanies the...

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Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience
Replies: 156
Views: 20822

Re: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience

9w748capt wrote:
Dougie must be fuming! DL will force his hand into actually investing in LCC's product now. Horrible day for him.


Nah. He’ll remain in the race to the bottom — remember, why offer the customer more when the customer will not pay more?

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Sun Jun 30, 2019 2:44 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Longest 727 routes by type
Replies: 27
Views: 3445

Re: Longest 727 routes by type

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBVh2GJJdus


Empty seats and legroom in economy!

Great to see airlines and liveries from the past at SFO!
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American 767 wrote:
US Air flew CLT-SFO nonstop on the 727. Here is a video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZBVh2GJJdus


Empty seats and legroom in economy!

Great to see airlines and liveries from the past at SFO!

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Sat Jun 29, 2019 6:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Tahiti Nui retires A343 F-OSUN, PPT-HNL-VCV on 3 engines
Replies: 51
Views: 13440

Re: Air Tahiti Nui retires A343 F-OSUN, PPT-HNL-VCV on 3 engines

Why were the cabin lights on during takeoff? And why would they be on if it’s a ferry flight?

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Thu Jun 27, 2019 9:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic demands 150 slots at expanded Heathrow airport
Replies: 136
Views: 19343

Re: Virgin Atlantic demands 150 slots at expanded Heathrow airport

What’s a ballpark figure as to how many aircraft VS would have to order to utilize 150 slots? If they're out AND back slots? 75 at a minimum not accounting for airplanes in checks, repair etc. More like 80. All depends on the split of long haul and short/medium hall. A narrowbody will utilize far m...

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Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic demands 150 slots at expanded Heathrow airport
Replies: 136
Views: 19343

Re: Virgin Atlantic demands 150 slots at expanded Heathrow airport

Is there a reason that they can't push to turn Gatwick into their hub and grow from there? Will business traffic not go there? NYC United's hub is EWR and everyone else uses JFK. Can't there be something similar for London? If LGW’s geographic placement was similar to EWR’s proximity to demand from...

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Tue Jun 25, 2019 6:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Virgin Atlantic demands 150 slots at expanded Heathrow airport
Replies: 136
Views: 19343

Re: Virgin Atlantic demands 150 slots at expanded Heathrow airport

What’s a ballpark figure as to how many aircraft VS would have to order to utilize 150 slots?

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Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AC Passenger left on plane at remote stand at YYZ
Replies: 128
Views: 19195

Re: AC Passenger left on plane at remote stand at YYZ

FlyHappy wrote:
I've flown countless times over many decades and I would not know that I I could find a flashlight above FA jumpseat, that's obvious only to you professionals.


Not a professional, just an observant flyer. If perhaps I was just a happy flyer, I would have never noticed.

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Sat Jun 22, 2019 4:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AC Passenger left on plane at remote stand at YYZ
Replies: 128
Views: 19195

Re: AC Passenger left on plane at remote stand at YYZ

"I haven't got much sleep since the reoccurring night terrors and waking up anxious and afraid I'm alone locked up someplace dark," Clearly oriented by some jail door low profile lawyer to get some AC money. Of course she couldn’t just find humor in the situation, have a good laugh and ap...

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Sat Jun 22, 2019 2:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL CEO Says SLC-ICN "On Our Drawing Board"
Replies: 69
Views: 7651

Re: DL CEO Says SLC-ICN "On Our Drawing Board"

The role of SLC could also be changing as the new terminal/facilities are upgraded/expanded. A more effective, optimized asset in the network could flow more Asia-bound traffic through SLC. Why would they do this when they have SEA/MSP/DTW? It's not like SLC and the surrounding area has a ton of PD...

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