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by ZK-NBT
Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

With the deferment of the 787-10s, you can see why NZ is doing prep work on getting the 77W fleet back flying. There is a slight ray of light for the 77E fleet but highly unlikely and it would take a rapid return of traffic for NZ to even consider it. The 77W however have a lot of life left in them...

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by ZK-NBT
Fri Jun 18, 2021 10:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

Air NZ is very generously giving $1000 worth of shares to it's staff. Also in this story they plan to delay the delivery of the next 787 another year to 2024. https://i.stuff.co.nz/business/industries/125485069/air-nz-giving-employees-1000-worth-of-shares-forecasts-significant-loss?cid=app-iPhone A...

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by ZK-NBT
Fri Jun 18, 2021 9:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

A220 question - I know this has been discussed before. Would a fleet of both A222 and A223 be a possibility in the future? Think about it - A222 could be used to increase frequency on thicker regional routes, possibly opening new ones (HLZ-ZQN? TRG-ZQN? NSN-ZQN? - as a thinking point) and A223 coul...

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by ZK-NBT
Fri Jun 18, 2021 8:16 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: United Airlines and the 747-200
Replies: 34
Views: 1205

Re: United Airlines and the 747-200

UA picked up a couple 742s from Qantas I believe. I seem to remember seeing them on LAX-SYD. You could tell they were ex-QF as the engine nacelles were different from the PW UA ones. You definitely didn’t see them on LAX-SYD non stop, these were fairly early build 742s with the less powerful PW eng...

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by ZK-NBT
Thu Jun 17, 2021 11:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

If they opened a HLZ ZQN route for example it would not take away demand from HLZ CHC route causing it to be dropped. HLZ to ZQN will facilitate new demand most likely. The demand for HLZ CHC continues to grow year by year. It will always be served its often sold out! That wasn’t what NZ6 meant, th...

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by ZK-NBT
Thu Jun 17, 2021 10:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

Well, if you think, Dunedin is an airport that would significantly benefit from any A220s on the WLG and AKL routes, which are currently only 3-4 daily, and could be increased to 5 daily each on the smaller A220. Internationally, the typical loads on the VA BNE flights would be perfect to fill an A...

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by ZK-NBT
Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

A220 question - I know this has been discussed before. Would a fleet of both A222 and A223 be a possibility in the future? Think about it - A222 could be used to increase frequency on thicker regional routes, possibly opening new ones (HLZ-ZQN? TRG-ZQN? NSN-ZQN? - as a thinking point) and A223 coul...

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by ZK-NBT
Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

For an airline the size of NZ, I'm not sure I understand enough about the pros & cons of operating two sub-fleets of a type like this in the numbers they have on order; specifically the line between the need for differentiation on the one hand, and the need for simplicity & flexibility on t...

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by ZK-NBT
Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 143
Views: 21151

Re: Australian Aviation Thread - June 2021

Air Canada set to resume YVR-SYD from1 Dec 21, 5 weekly 789 replaces daily 77L, both MEL and BNE cancelled for NW21/22 https://twitter.com/theaeronetwork/status/1404003613832146945?s=20 When I hear this from Airlines, that tells me Melbourne wont be coming back at all. Personally I wouldn’t read an...

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by ZK-NBT
Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

So with the NLK pattern changing to BNE NLK SYD NLK BNE. All the services use just 3 days of 320 flying which is more effective than a year ago when it used 5 days of 320 flying to serve the route. This frees up two days which would be of huge benefit. The old routing was like CHC BNE overnight the...

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by ZK-NBT
Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

So with the NLK pattern changing to BNE NLK SYD NLK BNE. All the services use just 3 days of 320 flying which is more effective than a year ago when it used 5 days of 320 flying to serve the route. This frees up two days which would be of huge benefit. The old routing was like CHC BNE overnight the...

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by ZK-NBT
Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

Amazing PA515 thank you. Some familiar flights, never actually flew any of those, they certainly changed routes over the years, until the mid 90s was a near daily 742 to LAX via NAN/RAR/PPT/HNL or some mix of those, also APW/TBU-HNLthen extended to LAX on a 763.

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by ZK-NBT
Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

For WR I would say it was a novel idea to as Unclekoru said increase utilization, the 732 and 752 spent a fair bit of time on the ground, I think they did an AKL-RAR on the 752 briefly 2 days a week and TBU was no more than 4-5 weekly for a 7hr return trip. Not sure how long the agreement with FJ l...

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by ZK-NBT
Mon Jun 07, 2021 7:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

Yes, the 737-300 with the split livery was a novel idea and a sensible way of achieving decent utilisation. It had also been done on the Concorde and multiple 747s if i remember correctly, so not that novel. For WR I would say it was a novel idea to as Unclekoru said increase utilization, the 732 a...

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by ZK-NBT
Mon Jun 07, 2021 5:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

Ah the WR 752, I remember hearing they couldn't fill the 732 so the 752 must have had very good lease rates, ex BI IIRC, it spent a fair bit of the week parked at AKL when it wasn't flying. They shared a 733 with FJ in the 90s with each airlines livery on one side, probably a good arrangement for t...

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by ZK-NBT
Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

I could see NZ to CBR, not convinced on NTL myself. Actually going back in time Newcastle has had more services to AKL than CBR has. Before Virgin Australia flew their 737 seasonal service in 2019. There was an airline called Freedom Air with it's bright yellow livery a low cost off shoot of Air NZ...

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by ZK-NBT
Sun Jun 06, 2021 11:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

Qantas started their new Cairns to AKL service yesterday, the flight number is QF188 which is scheduled to depart AKL at 0850 and arrives at 1220. The return QF189 times are 1350 and 2035 be interesting to see how it performs for them. They even start the service before Air NZ resumes it's service ...

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by ZK-NBT
Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

Does anyone know when NZ last International 732 service was? Assuming it would of been somewhere around early 2000? It appears to have been late Oct / early Nov 1999. The 29 March to Nov 1999 Timetable has an AKL-NOU-AKL and AKL-TBU-AKL 732 on Sat and an AKL-NLK-AKL 732 on Sun. They are 733s in the...

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by ZK-NBT
Sun Jun 06, 2021 10:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

I could see NZ to CBR, not convinced on NTL myself. Actually going back in time Newcastle has had more services to AKL than CBR has. Before Virgin Australia flew their 737 seasonal service in 2019. There was an airline called Freedom Air with it's bright yellow livery a low cost off shoot of Air NZ...

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by ZK-NBT
Sun Jun 06, 2021 9:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

zkncj wrote:
Does anyone know when NZ last International 732 service was? Assuming it would of been somewhere around early 2000?


And what route, NOU/NLK? WLG/CHC generally got the 733s first replacing the 762. There was 733s AKL-MEL/BNE by October 1999 iirc as they were used to increase frequency.

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by ZK-NBT
Sat Jun 05, 2021 7:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

Ah yes; I’d forgotten about the DRW stop. Thanks. http://www.departedflights.com/AKL83p1.html Looking at departed flights, that flight was operating weekly with a 747 in July 1983, it wasn't operating in March 1980, by January 1989 it was running with a 767 as a redeye TSV-AKL once a week. Now that...

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by ZK-NBT
Sat Jun 05, 2021 2:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

AKL-DRW, there is no market full stop. That is a bit harsh comment. There is some demand even here in CHC there are pax travelling onto DRW via BNE or SYD etc. But not enough to fill a non stop flight I will agree on that. Its best not to look at O and D on its own for unserved routes. A better tim...

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by ZK-NBT
Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

Yep, the old schedules do tend to stick in a retrievable part of the brain. My recollection is that the QF CHC-CNS services were twice weekly - and used a 747. I always assumed it was at least in part away of positioning or rotating the QF 747s that used to serve CNS-HNL-LAX. It always seemed bizar...

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by ZK-NBT
Fri Jun 04, 2021 8:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

Also QF ran a AKL TSV DRW SIN 767-200 service which enabled access direct from NZ to the NT for the first time. Ah yes; I’d forgotten about the DRW stop. Thanks. http://www.departedflights.com/AKL83p1.html Looking at departed flights, that flight was operating weekly with a 747 in July 1983, it was...

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by ZK-NBT
Thu Jun 03, 2021 10:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

Also, on the topic of Tasman routes, what routes did Australian Airlines fly here, if any? And what about Jetstar's A330 routes. I only know of AKL-SIN myself. I don’t recall Australian airlines flying to NZ, you are talking about the Orange 763d around early mid 2000s? If so their 763s did return ...

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by ZK-NBT
Thu Jun 03, 2021 8:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

I thought all the NZ 772 were in storage, this video released on the 1st seems to indicate otherwise? https://youtu.be/LL-xPU1YQMU?t=214 That’s just a compilation, looking at some of the flights like EK from KUL which they have done during COVID, but that is shot over a period of time, NZ 772s won’...

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by ZK-NBT
Thu Jun 03, 2021 6:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

Yep, the old schedules do tend to stick in a retrievable part of the brain. My recollection is that the QF CHC-CNS services were twice weekly - and used a 747. I always assumed it was at least in part away of positioning or rotating the QF 747s that used to serve CNS-HNL-LAX. It always seemed bizar...

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by ZK-NBT
Thu Jun 03, 2021 5:28 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

You are good at record keeping. Cairns started in 1987 with 767s and was on the cover of the timetable at the time. I'm not sure when it was down graded to winter seasonal around 2025 ish. What is interesting is that Qantas will start CNS to AKL before resuming PER to AKL! They also flew a weekly C...

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by ZK-NBT
Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:31 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

CNS used to drop away every low season to loads that make HBA look good. This trend continued with PR when they operated AKL-CNS-MNL CNS had a weekly year round for years in the 1990s usually 763s but 747s in the later 1990s early 2000s even in summer some years, a second flight was added atleast i...

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by ZK-NBT
Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”
Replies: 117
Views: 23220

Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Remember B777 entered service in the early 90s. B777-300ER is just a stretch version of a 90's technology. B787 and A350 also utilize new generation engines and composite materials. One of the reason why B777-300ER is "reasonably efficient" caused directly by the fact that airlines cramme...

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by ZK-NBT
Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 1464
Views: 249121

Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2021

All this talk of back to basics... yet I hear AA have confirmed a start date for CHC and AKL - January 2022. That's hardly back to basics. What do you all make of this? We don't know this for sure in relation to the AA/QF JV but in the past for other JVs, such as NZ/SQ the New Zealand government ha...

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by ZK-NBT
Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”
Replies: 117
Views: 23220

Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

The 77W was the most fuel efficient wide body about two decades ago, but that is way in the past with 787s and A350 flying in large numbers. And with the 748i not being more fuel efficient as the 77W, there is no advantage for it as well. best regards Thomas Two decades ago? it entered service in 2...

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by ZK-NBT
Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021
Replies: 206
Views: 18009

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - June 2021

CNS used to drop away every low season to loads that make HBA look good. This trend continued with PR when they operated AKL-CNS-MNL CNS had a weekly year round for years in the 1990s usually 763s but 747s in the later 1990s early 2000s even in summer some years, a second flight was added atleast i...

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by ZK-NBT
Mon May 31, 2021 10:06 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”
Replies: 117
Views: 23220

Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Care to elaborate on that statement? The 77W was the most fuel efficient wide body about two decades ago, but that is way in the past with 787s and A350 flying in large numbers. And with the 748i not being more fuel efficient as the 77W, there is no advantage for it as well. best regards Thomas Qui...

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by ZK-NBT
Mon May 31, 2021 8:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021
Replies: 356
Views: 34515

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021

I would have loved for NZ to have chosen the 717 to replace the 737-200 fleet all those years ago. Small enough to operate to regional ports, big enough for most flights on trunk routes, great takeoff performance and tough as anything. I understand of course the many reasons why NZ chose the -300 (...

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by ZK-NBT
Mon May 31, 2021 7:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021
Replies: 356
Views: 34515

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021

No idea, at a guess. It gets in the way of the AT schedule. They run trains every 10 mins and I thought I'd read the lines are near capacity and work is needed for a 3rd line in places just for the city rail link. Of course one does wonder why one of the AT services doesn't just start in Hamilton b...

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by ZK-NBT
Mon May 31, 2021 7:10 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”
Replies: 117
Views: 23220

Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

The 77W was the most fuel efficient wide body about two decades ago, but that is way in the past with 787s and A350 flying in large numbers. And with the 748i not being more fuel efficient as the 77W, there is no advantage for it as well. best regards Thomas Two decades ago? it entered service in 2...

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by ZK-NBT
Mon May 31, 2021 6:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”
Replies: 117
Views: 23220

Re: Qatar Airways CEO: “the A380 was our biggest mistake.”

Doesn't even matter, even B777-300ER became a bit too uneconomical these days. B747-8 is out of the question. Care to elaborate on that statement? The 77W was the most fuel efficient wide body about two decades ago, but that is way in the past with 787s and A350 flying in large numbers. And with th...

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by ZK-NBT
Mon May 31, 2021 6:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021
Replies: 356
Views: 34515

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021

What’s stopping them from running it to Britomart as an express service? It can stop in Papakura for those who need to get off and connect to other services. I get that the line isn’t electric to HLZ but surely. No idea, at a guess. It gets in the way of the AT schedule. They run trains every 10 mi...

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by ZK-NBT
Mon May 31, 2021 5:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021
Replies: 356
Views: 34515

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021

What is the main reason a train service HLZ-AKL isn’t popular? I live in Whangaparaoa and while my job would make it difficult to catch a train unless I parked my work vehicle in the city somewhere. A train to WRE seems a no brainer to me rather than all these bus lanes along the northern motorway....

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by ZK-NBT
Mon May 31, 2021 3:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021
Replies: 356
Views: 34515

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021

If ANZ really wanted a smaller jet, i think they would go with the A319, rather than adding the more economical A220. A small fleet wouldn't add significant cost, unlike a new type. If they wanted to do it cheaply - second hand A319s are plentiful and could be leased or bought far cheaper than the ...

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by ZK-NBT
Mon May 31, 2021 2:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021
Replies: 356
Views: 34515

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021

I don't think we will see a true high speed rail link in NZ ever. The costs just don't stack up especially given our topography. HLZ-AKL 'maybe,' with a tunnel through to Tauranga perhaps. But that's probably 30+ years away if ever. They can't even get the new Te Huia running at full design speed o...

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by ZK-NBT
Mon May 31, 2021 2:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021
Replies: 356
Views: 34515

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021

Yes, the direct train/bus connection to AKL soon to be possible via Puhinui may make a dent in HLZ development. Even when hourly in future years (which is a strong possibility) however, I don’t think it will eliminate the need for and use of HLZ. It will still be a little under two hours from Frank...

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by ZK-NBT
Mon May 31, 2021 2:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021
Replies: 356
Views: 34515

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021

The final section of the dual carriageway you talk of is due to open later this year. It will allow full expressway speeds all the way from Hamilton\Cambridge to Auckland and the airport. Yes, the direct train/bus connection to AKL soon to be possible via Puhinui may make a dent in HLZ development....

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by ZK-NBT
Sun May 30, 2021 7:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021
Replies: 356
Views: 34515

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021

A day in the 'lonely' life of Kāpiti Airport's only employee https://www.stuff.co.nz/business/125083335/a-day-in-the-lonely-life-of-kpiti-airports-only-employee-its-chief-executive?cid=app-iPhone Good article a long one too. There is a lot of challenges for Kapiti. Hopefully only some of the land c...

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by ZK-NBT
Sun May 30, 2021 7:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021
Replies: 356
Views: 34515

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021

Living south of Hamilton, it and the surrounding towns are growing very fast, huge new subdivisions opening up, massive new roading projects (although one could argue the finished expressway makes flying from AKL a little less of a hassle). I also think the A220 would make a good fleet fit but much...

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by ZK-NBT
Sun May 30, 2021 9:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021
Replies: 356
Views: 34515

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021

Living south of Hamilton, it and the surrounding towns are growing very fast, huge new subdivisions opening up, massive new roading projects (although one could argue the finished expressway makes flying from AKL a little less of a hassle). I also think the A220 would make a good fleet fit but much...

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by ZK-NBT
Sun May 30, 2021 3:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021
Replies: 356
Views: 34515

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021

I don't think it's so much about under estimating the 'potential leisure market'. We already have baseline numbers around how many people currently board HLZ destined for ZQN? - What, if anything can the airline, tourism operators do to increase these numbers? That is the question That's the only v...

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by ZK-NBT
Sun May 30, 2021 1:13 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021
Replies: 356
Views: 34515

Re: New Zealand Aviation Thread - May 2021

3 configurations with 7 of each seems to much? Flexibility sure but complexity aswell with small sub fleets. I don’t see them going smaller probably another A320NEO order to replace the sharklet fleet in time mid late 2020s. I’m half expecting the domestic a321N’s to be cross shared with the Intern...

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by ZK-NBT
Sat May 29, 2021 10:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Tim Clark: Emirates will refuse B777X delivery if not per contract
Replies: 298
Views: 36655

Re: Tim Clark: Emirates will refuse B777X delivery if not per contract

Historically EK wanted aircraft that can do a night turn to India, and then in the morning potter off to Sao Paulo, Auckland or LA. That necessitated them utilising the biggest, longest ranged, aircraft available, filling up the seats by offering great offers and operating massively overweight airc...

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