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Re: Complaints coming in about the new SLC terminal

Flying WN in/out of SLC - was not horrible, compared to the "old" terminal walk from the end of "B" or "E" - whatever they re-lettered the old terminal - the new terminal has moving walkways under the taxiway ala DTW McNamara, was easy enough. Nice that the new concours...

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Re: DL 717 slides off taxiway @ PIT

Call Patroni.......dig out the mains and nose wheel, lay some plywood, full reverse thrust !

Does the 717 have the same airframe sturdiness of it's elder sibling, the DC-9 ?

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Re: Legendary Supreme Mary Wilson Dead At 76.

Truly a Classy Lady and will be missed.

I hope Smokey serenades her at her Celebration of Life, he did a beautiful song for The Queen at her Ceremony.

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Re: Air Cargo (non-Amazon/DHL) Thread - 2021

Our favorite MIA videographer is back. Nice to lay eyes on quite a few of the birds that we talk about in here (Kalitta 733, SkyBus DC8, Cargojet 763, etc.). There was also a quick glimpse of one of the Kalitta 727s hanging out at Commercial Jet while our DC8 taxis by (https://youtu.be/h43X_5YtsDs)...

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Re: 35 years ago merger-mania 1986

So Hughes being dismantled wasn't NW's doing. The rise of HP and WN and AS in former RW markets was the undoing for Republic's western division.[/quote] The old RW system and PHX "hub" were taken down once Steve Wolf came on-board at RC in conjunction with the recession of '82 - PHX and LA...

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Re: Have you landed on the alphabet? A delayed 2020 edition

A - ATL, AMS, AUS, ABQ, AMA, ACA B - BOI, BOS, BHM, BUD, BDL, BUR, BNA C - CLE, CVG, CAK, CLT D - DCA, DUB, DAL, DEN, DFW, DTW E - EUG, EDI F - FNT, FLL G - GTF, GIG H - HVN, HNL, HOU, HPN I - IND, IDA, IAD J - JAX, JFK K - L - LGA, LGW, LHR, LAX, LAS, LGB M - MDW, MIA, MEM, MSP, MAN, MAF, MSY, MCO,...

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Re: Packard Plant in Detroit to be Possibly Demolished

It's too far gone to try and rehab. That part of the D is not getting much attention, plenty of empty land over there. Best bet is tear-down and offer up to FCA or a supplier or warehouses for a new facility (basically what seems to happen to old auto plants, see Dodge Main, Ford Wixom, GM Livonia o...

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Re: Most "Pulled-Out-Of" Commercial Airport Ever?

KDET - Detroit City Airport Used to be the "main" airport for Detroit prior to WWII Post-deregulation Wright Airlines WN Pro Air NW USExpress Comair CO Express Nothing since Pro Air Obviously DTW is the 800-lb gorilla down the road serving the Metro area. Short, narrow, runways and lack of...

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Re: Top 5 most missed Airlines ?

AA - Bob Crandall era WN - lounge seating, 2/3 full, and 25 minute turns on the 733 - pre-2000 (Herb's airline) NC - flew all over Michigan with Herman the Duck, good, solid, airline Bonanza - LAS hometown airline, had I been born in another era, would've been my go-to airline RW - see Bonanza above...

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Re: What’s the most famous airport in the world?

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-the-s ... 80218.html

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Re: US Airports that have (or have had) terminals build for an airline

LAX

T-3 historically TW
T-4 AA
T-5 WA
T-6 CO
T-7-8 UA

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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TSU ... /KSDF/KPTK

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/TSU ... /KMEM/KPTK

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Re: Likelihood of a Battleship Gray Retro Livery

No need to dig up those bones! - A legacy to the "Flip this Airline" mentality of Stephen Wolf (put a new coat of paint on the 'planes and hang the "for sale" sign) and arguably some of the worst of UA's history as discussed above. Saul Bass for me or Friendship or Rhapsody in Bl...

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Re: NYC/BOS first big winter storm in the Covid19 era?

asuflyer wrote:
Well this evening at JFK did not go without hiccups. Two A330's, DL 262 and AZ 610 became disabled in the snow and had to be towed out.

Patroni working tonight?

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Re: Airports set for large growth

RNO - booming up there, hard to find a place to live

BIL

BZN

SGU - as others have mentioned

DEN - the Metro keeps growing and growing, plus pull from mountain communities/Boulder/Colorado Springs

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Re: Person jumps fence at LAS, jumps on AS 737

https://flightaware.com/resources/airpo ... IAGRAM/pdf

The AS aircraft is at 8L at A8 per ATC

AS 1367 to PDX

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Re: Some historical questions about Detroit Metro Airport

First question. Third question. Was the Davey terminal constructed because the airlines at Willow Run complained that they wanted better facilities or was the Davey terminal built by Wayne county to lure the rest of the airlines away from Willow Run by tempting them with more modern facilities. Pas...

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Re: Feeling nostalgic about 747s. Who’s have you flown?

Only managed two round-trips on the Queen to date: VS 744 LAS-MAN-LAS 2018 Premium Economy r/t - lower deck going, upper deck coming back BA 744 LAS-LHR-LAS 2019 Biz Class upper deck (reverse facing seat) / Premium Economy lower on the return I do miss the upper deck, like it's own little aircraft w...

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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

https://flightaware.com/live/fleet/CKS

CKS 562 / 564 /566 flights from MEM-HNL/LAX/SFO appear to be behalf of FedEx

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Re: Peak Season 2020 Cargo/Express Discussion Thread

Anyone know where Moderna's production facilities are? I know Pfizer has a major one near BRU. Moderna has never had to distribute a product like this, so it really doesn't have organic production facilities. Lonza in Switzerland is making it, about 1/4 in New Hampshire and 3/4 in Switzerland. That...

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Re: Most dated concourse areas in the US?

CLE concourses A and B - hasn't changed much in my 4+ decades

LAX T3

BUR - whole airport

RNO - concourses look similar as they did in the '80s

ABQ - another one that is fairly 70s / 80s designs

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Re: Fedex Feeder Timing

At LAS Westair Industries flies the C208 for FedEx to CDC and SGU - HII has service to PHX on Empire for FedEx - no service via air to IGM or IFP, easy to truck to NW AZ from LAS.

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Re: What is/was the worst vanity air route?

PE 747s - Transcon and Europe HP 747s - Hawaii, Transcon (as opposed to their new 757s at the time) - originally purchased to launch routes to Japan when their economy was hot in the late '80s, eventually had service to Nagoya from HNL, soon went to NW. Agree on America West but PE’s 747 service to...

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Re: What is/was the worst vanity air route?

PE 747s - Transcon and Europe

HP 747s - Hawaii, Transcon (as opposed to their new 757s at the time) - originally purchased to launch routes to Japan when their economy was hot in the late '80s, eventually had service to Nagoya from HNL, soon went to NW.

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Re: Celebrity Sightings on Flights

Dennis Rodman (NBA) back in his SA Spurs days on a 3 a.m. red-eye, LAS-DFW on AA - he was slumming it in Coach in the back of the Mad Dog, we had received upgrades to F after being "bumped" off the 1am. Martin Shugrue (former CEO of Eastern and Pan Am II) at SJU during Pan Am II's launch i...

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Re: Airline orders that never were.

Did NW cancel any ordered RC MD-82s ? 12 frames delivered to RC and never more taken up after the merger. Just curious. Seems RC was moving towards a fleet of MDs and 752s at the time. Did NW already have the A320 on Order and not interested in further MDs? Obviously the crash at DTW probably did no...

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Re: Factors Picking a Connecting Airport

Length of Layover, Weather (possibility of getting stuck), number of flights in case of IROP - how to get around or through the hub. Example - instead of UA LAS-SFO-SUN - went LAS-DEN-SUN - why? Possibility of mis-connect or weather in SFO compared to DEN, whereas, even if weather is in the area, DE...

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Re: Going out of your way to fly a special type

At times, if not too far out of the way or other benefit. Last one was B6 - instead of getting on the non-stop red-eye LAS-JFK, took the red-eye LAS-BOS, changed planes for BOS-JFK to get to sample the E190 - flight was also $60 cheaper and time was not an issue as I was only going to NYC to spend a...

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Re: If you fly a certain route more than 5 times a year, would you be more likely to fly a low cost or a legacy airline?

That depends - for instance I fly LAS-RNO many times per year, sometimes multiple times per month - however, always on WN - obvious reason, no other carrier has the schedule to allow for flexible travel. Same with LAS-SAN. On a route such as LAS-SLC, generally prefer WN for points and status, howeve...

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Re: Rare and Short Lived Airline/Aircraft Combinations

WN 722 AA 732 733 BAe 146 (Air Cal merger) MD-87 MD-90 (Reno Air merger) US BAe 146 (PSA merger) HP 742 731 TZ 733 G4 DC-9 PSA L1011 Mesa F70 Question: Did AA, after the acquisition of Trans-Caribbean Airlines, ever operate any of the former DC-8s in AA livery? I do not believe so, just wondering if...

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Re: What was it like to fly during the weeks following 9/11?

Flew LAS-BUR-LAS on WN at the end of September, 2001 - flights were somber - not much of any talking on-board that is one thing that seems to stand out, airports were rather empty, and the security procedures were still being "ironed out". Like 727tiger said, LAS did have the military thro...

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Re: TSA PreCheck and Global Entry Still Business as Usual?

In my experience, DTW, LAS and SAN have all operated as normal. Only noticeable difference is Plexiglass installed in front of the TSA Agent and they ask you to pull your mask down to identify you. Little to no lines for me in all 3 airports Pre-Check lines. At LAS the Regular Line seems busy, I'm a...

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Re: Any good commercial aviation books out there ?

Robert J. Serling did books on many of the regulated era carriers individually, I have read and have Western an North Central among others. Rapid Decent and Hard Landing are both wonderful renditions of the deregulated era until the mid-90s Air America was a good read if interested in the CIA sponso...

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Re: UA Acquisition of Pan Am's LHR Slots - Operations

We can’t forget that in 1984 as the ETOPS era had dawned, Boeing refused to sell 767ERs to Pan Am because of their finances. Boeing knew they couldn’t pay for the planes. Airbus came in and sold them A300s and A310s and even threw in a new livery for free. The only reason PA could make the payments...

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Re: UA Acquisition of Pan Am's LHR Slots - Operations

DL took over the route from Pan Am in 1991 - CLE-DTW-LGW with a A310 - switched soon after to a L1011, the route was distinctive in that the flight would park at the Berry terminal whereas DL departed from the Smith terminal C concourse. The flight only parked at the Berry terminal on the LGW-DTW-C...

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Re: UA Acquisition of Pan Am's LHR Slots - Operations

the PA flight between DTW and London operated as CLE-DTW-LHR (then LGW) and was flown with an A310. Delta I think continued it very briefly when it bought the remaining TATL network from PA in 1991. DL operated it very briefly, then ran it CVG-DTW-LGW briefly (IIRC), then dropped it. DL took over t...

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Re: Most boring/ugly airline liveries in your opinion (including airlines of the past)

Any and all livery changes instituted under the stewardship of one Steve Wolf.

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Re: Western Airlines questions

Didn't Arnold Schwarzenegger fly them down on an 11 hour trip to Val Verde in 1985? Ha yes he did! Not sure how many here got the reference but that was my favorite part of the movie. :) He WAS to fly Western to the Republic of Val Verde....if one recalls, he "departed" the aircraft via t...

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Re: Your favorite airline liveries

OK, old school liveries, here are my top 10: 1 Braniff (Jelly Bean/Pastel's, Flying Colors, and Ultra) 2 United (Saul Bass) 3 Air New Zealand (from the mid 1970s) 4 Qantas (Any time, especially the 70s with the orangish cheat line) 5 New York Air 6 Air California (Yellow/Black lines, etc.) 7 Luftha...

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Re: Your favorite airline liveries

1) Ecuatoriana - anything from the '70s 2) AA - traditional bare-metal 3) New York Air - Big Apple 4) BA - Landor 5) Western Pacific - Stardust Hotel & Casino livery OK, old school liveries, here are my top 10: 1 Braniff (Jelly Bean/Pastel's, Flying Colors, and Ultra) 2 United (Saul Bass) 3 Air...

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Re: Your favorite airline liveries

1) Ecuatoriana - anything from the '70s
2) AA - traditional bare-metal
3) New York Air - Big Apple
4) BA - Landor
5) Western Pacific - Stardust Hotel & Casino livery

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Re: How common is self-transfer?

I have done it several times going to LAS - LAX - International destination - fly WN to LAX round-trip, the cheapest and easiest to change flights, especially considering baggage. Transfer at LAX to another carrier, usually a foreign-flag. I make a few hours between flights to allow for potential de...

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Re: New York Air vs Eastern Air Lines 1981

1973-74 coincides with the Arab Oil Embargo and the beginning of the decline of the Big 3 (American Auto Industry) - hence UA dropped DTW-LGA - AA was the big airline at DTW prior to Deregulation, UA had a decent operation as well, however, AA had the following as of 12/1/74 from DTW: BOS - 4x 707 B...

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Re: America Trans Air question

Hello all, All I want to ask here. Has anyone flown on them, and how was the service? Seats? Etc. I remembered seeing them at LAS a few times before randomly disappearing altogether and recently did some research (even went on their website with a waybackmachine..) so I was wondering what the first...

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Re: America Trans Air question

My only experience was a round-trip charter DTW-ACA in 1988/1989 on the L1011. The flight was good, on-time departure, movie on-board via the center pull-down screen (Crocodile Dundee II on the way down and Married to the Mob on the way back), meal service was served, nothing special as was airline ...

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Re: "In town" airports / Your favorites

SLC is close to downtown, depending on traffic how long to drive Wouldn't call that exactly close. Definitely not the furthest, but it's on the edge of the city. Pretty average location for an airport. However from what I can see this airport can only be accessed by car, which is a huge downside. T...

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Re: United DC-10's

UA used one on ORD-DTW in the 1990s. I took it a few times going to visit my sister and nephews. It struck me as an odd choice for such a short flight, taking nearly as long to embark or disembark (boarding started 40 minutes prior to departure) as it did to fly the route (about 45 minutes wheels-u...

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Re: "In town" airports / Your favorites

IFP is across the river from Laughlin casinos - 2-3 miles to all the casinos

PHX is close to downtown

SLC is close to downtown, depending on traffic how long to drive

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Re: Worst “White Elephant” Airports

In Europe there are hardly any white elephant airports left. Most of them have become "Ryanair airports". After London Stansted was built it basically became a white elephant for some time, no airline wanted to fly there. That is, until Ryanair moved in. Nowadays it's their largest base, ...

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Re: Braniff Bankruptcy 1983

That’s a very good point. Perhaps there would be a duopoly now at Dallas consisting of AA and DL, the same way AA has a duopoly at ORD with UA. But was Delta Air Lines a big airline in the early 80’s? If I recall correctly, they said in the video mentioned above that Braniff was the 9th largest air...

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