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by UA735WL
Sat Jun 29, 2019 4:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Tahiti Nui retires A343 F-OSUN, PPT-HNL-VCV on 3 engines
Replies: 51
Views: 13517

Re: Air Tahiti Nui retires A343 F-OSUN, PPT-HNL-VCV on 3 engines

Sorry to see these pretty blue TN birds go, I remember seeing them at LAX and thinking they were quite nice in contrast to all the UA battleship gray planes. On another note I believe that the DC-10-30/40 and MD-11s have a lockout switch that if selected will prevent the center gear from lowering. I...

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by UA735WL
Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:05 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airline types that are/were only ever operated by a single airline
Replies: 51
Views: 4845

Re: Airline types that are/were only ever operated by a single airline

I believe Indian Airlines had a modified A320 model that had four wheel main landing gear. Qantas had the 707-138 Braniff had the 707-220 Amusingly enough, BN actually operated the 707-138 AND the 707-220. I believe BN used the -138s on the DAL-HNL route. They eventually sold the small -220 fleet t...

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by UA735WL
Fri Jun 14, 2019 8:01 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airline types that are/were only ever operated by a single airline
Replies: 51
Views: 4845

Re: Airline types that are/were only ever operated by a single airline

KLM was the only airline operator of the Douglas DC-5, with four aircraft. This also makes them the only carrier ever to operate every commercial Douglas airliner DC-2 through MD-11(excluding the DC-1 as only one prototype was built). -Jonas KLM never operated the MD80. When you consider that all M...

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by UA735WL
Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:00 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Airline types that are/were only ever operated by a single airline
Replies: 51
Views: 4845

Re: Airline types that are/were only ever operated by a single airline

KLM was the only airline operator of the Douglas DC-5, with four aircraft. This also makes them the only carrier ever to operate every commercial Douglas airliner DC-2 through MD-11(excluding the DC-1 as only one prototype was built). Loftleidir of Iceland was the only operator of the pax version of...

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by UA735WL
Wed May 01, 2019 4:55 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: MD88/MD90/B712 Love/Hate Relationship
Replies: 73
Views: 7012

Re: MD88/MD90/B712 Love/Hate Relationship

I think they're pretty neat; I don't think there's ever been another civil aircraft certified for a service life as long as the DC-9 family. IIRC it's 115,000 cycles and a similar amount of hours. The way Douglas designed the airplane almost reminds me of the Russian approach- simple and built like ...

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by UA735WL
Wed Jan 09, 2019 5:58 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Aircraft With The Most Intense Engine Start Up
Replies: 42
Views: 4438

Re: Aircraft With The Most Intense Engine Start Up

Sitting in the back of an MD-80 during start is a pretty neat experience; the starter engages and the sound progresses from a low rumble and increases in pitch several octaves until it reaches a steady howl that sounds characteristically low bypass and (IMO) exceptionally more interesting then most ...

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by UA735WL
Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:06 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Ryanair Livery - What would you change?
Replies: 12
Views: 1215

Re: Ryanair Livery - What would you change?

A little bit OT, but didn't they make the angel on the tail a bit more....buxom a few years back?

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by UA735WL
Wed Jan 09, 2019 4:03 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Favorite retired aircraft
Replies: 7
Views: 749

Re: Favorite retired aircraft

There are many 727's and 737 classics still flying, thread should specify "retired aircraft in the US and Europe" Maybe we could go with airline/aircraft combinations? I was a big fan of WN's 733s- can't count how many times I flew on those growing up. It seemed that the WN 733 would take...

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by UA735WL
Wed Jan 09, 2019 3:40 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Fully Loaded Airliners
Replies: 13
Views: 2520

Re: Fully Loaded Airliners

I recently an article about the Cessna 185 in which the author praised the airplane for being able to take off with full fuel tanks and all four seats occupied- something fairly uncommon in the world of airplanes, largely because the weight required to strengthen the structure reduces efficiency on...

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by UA735WL
Sun Jan 06, 2019 9:18 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Fully Loaded Airliners
Replies: 13
Views: 2520

Fully Loaded Airliners

Hi folks! I recently an article about the Cessna 185 in which the author praised the airplane for being able to take off with full fuel tanks and all four seats occupied- something fairly uncommon in the world of airplanes, largely because the weight required to strengthen the structure reduces effi...

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by UA735WL
Thu Dec 20, 2018 3:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Gatwick drone closures
Replies: 547
Views: 70215

Re: Gatwick closed because of 2 drones

peterinlisbon wrote:
I'm surprised that there is not some kind of technology to bring down such a small thing. Couldn't they just jam whatever frequency it's being controlled on or trace the signals and find the person controlling it?


Time to go get grandpa's trusty 12-gauge! :spin:

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by UA735WL
Sat Dec 08, 2018 3:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Guyana Airways IL62M CCCP86492 Question
Replies: 15
Views: 3445

Re: Guyana Airways IL62M CCCP86492 Question

Didn't Aeronica also operate the Tu-154 at one point? I seem to remember a pic of one at MEX.

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by UA735WL
Tue Nov 13, 2018 9:53 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Tax on kerosine
Replies: 90
Views: 7873

Re: Tax on kerosine

Quite ridiculously that it is cheaper to fly from Manchester to the Costa Brava, have a cocktail on the beach and then fly to London, then to take a train from Manchester to London. Trains are not more efficient or environmentally-friendly by default- I see where you're coming from, but rail mainte...

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by UA735WL
Mon Oct 01, 2018 11:40 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Why Not Order All New Planes ETOPS certified?
Replies: 31
Views: 6599

Re: Why Not Order All New Planes ETOPS certified?

ETOPS is not something that you just buy from the factory- ETOPS is also an ongoing maintenance program that essentially has higher standards than a normal program. IIRC there's even a requirement that the engines can't have been to the same shop within a certain amount of time. Airlines have to wor...

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by UA735WL
Fri Sep 14, 2018 12:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: CONFIRMED: Air France Announces Dallas-Paris starting 2019
Replies: 134
Views: 16377

Re: CONFIRMED: Air France Announces Dallas-Paris starting 2019

The amount of nitpicking is unbelievable. First everyone was clueless on “slots” when it was obvious to anyone with a pulse what he meant and now we’re agrguing about DFW-CDG vs CDG-DFW!?! So you don't have a pulse, if I extrapolate your definition! Anyone with any understanding of flight direction...

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by UA735WL
Thu Sep 06, 2018 11:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: ARJ21 starts commercial operation with 2nd operator Genghis Khan Airlines by July 26th, 2019
Replies: 79
Views: 12884

Re: Genghis Khan Airlines gearing up to take to skies on wings of ARJ21s in early 2019

petertenthije wrote:
Apparantly one in every 200 people is related to Ghenghis Khan. Maybe they should have gotten Fokkers.


By far the most under-appreciated post on this thread :D

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by UA735WL
Mon Sep 03, 2018 7:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Strange noise coming from a Boeing 777-200 during flight?
Replies: 25
Views: 7507

Re: Strange noise coming from a Boeing 777-200 during flight?

I recently flew ATL-AMS on a KLM 77W, and was rather surprised at both the large increase in engine noise and the gentle but still rather noticable acceleration that accompanied the step climbs. I really enjoyed hearing those GE90s buzz!


-Jonas

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by UA735WL
Fri Aug 31, 2018 5:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flair Airlines declares success in first summer
Replies: 7
Views: 1467

Re: Flair Airlines declares success in first summer

https://edmontonjournal.com/business/local-business/flair-airlines-claims-record-summer What about costs and earnings since load factor doesn't necessarily means success? Jetsgo Mk. 2 ? I don't know about Jetsgo redux, but these guys have the potential. The aircraft they started flying with are no ...

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by UA735WL
Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:40 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Punchiest airliners
Replies: 73
Views: 5998

Re: Punchiest airliners

I understand that the Boeing 720B (JT3D refan) was quite the performer, with the JT3D replacement adding the equivalent of a fifth JT3C. I've also heard that the DC-9-10 and -20 series are quite sporty. I was surprised to learn this- the worst takeoff and climb performance I've ever experienced was...

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by UA735WL
Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:17 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Punchiest airliners
Replies: 73
Views: 5998

Re: Punchiest airliners

I understand that the Boeing 720B (JT3D refan) was quite the performer, with the JT3D replacement adding the equivalent of a fifth JT3C. I've also heard that the DC-9-10 and -20 series are quite sporty. I was surprised to learn this- the worst takeoff and climb performance I've ever experienced was ...

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by UA735WL
Tue Aug 21, 2018 12:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: E170 declares emergency after air Marshall shows firearm to FA
Replies: 108
Views: 20262

Re: E170 declares emergency after air Marshall shows firearm to FA

It seems to me that the Air Marshal is the one at fault here- breaking one's cover when in that position is unacceptable unless there is a threat. I wonder what the consequences will be. Have there been many instances where having an air marshal has helped? It seems a primarily US/third world thing....

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by UA735WL
Sun May 06, 2018 10:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Texas International
Replies: 83
Views: 8607

Re: Texas International

No memories flying them, but I do have a question regarding a (possible) former route of theirs. At my hometown airport (T82 in Fredericksburg, TX) there's a small "terminal" building that's mostly used as a kickback spot for pilots to do flight plans and the like. On the walls there are m...

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by UA735WL
Fri Apr 06, 2018 4:27 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Narrow body hot and high performance
Replies: 17
Views: 3189

Re: Narrow body hot and high performance

The A320/321 are quite a bit better than their counterparts where field (runway/takeoff) performance is concerned. 737-800 climb performance (not synonymous with takeoff performance) isn't bad and she'll happily keep going until temps hit isa+15. . This is often stated as fact here and while I'm no...

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by UA735WL
Thu Apr 05, 2018 9:17 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Narrow body hot and high performance
Replies: 17
Views: 3189

Re: Narrow body hot and high performance

LOL my previous post was deleted! For those of you who didn't see it, it was earth-shatteringly offensive... I kid! Did you see the one immediately after yours? :bigthumbsup: :checkeredflag: ^^ I find this particularly interesting and informative! Glad I could help. It's rather nice (and unfortunat...

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by UA735WL
Thu Apr 05, 2018 8:23 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Narrow body hot and high performance
Replies: 17
Views: 3189

Re: Narrow body hot and high performance

The A320/321 are quite a bit better than their counterparts where field (runway/takeoff) performance is concerned. 737-800 climb performance (not synonymous with takeoff performance) isn't bad and she'll happily keep going until temps hit isa+15. . This is often stated as fact here and while I'm no...

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by UA735WL
Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:46 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Longest Flights on (older) Shorthaul Aircraft
Replies: 18
Views: 1969

Re: Longest Flights on (older) Shorthaul Aircraft

Damn those are some long MD80 flights you just listed. Had no idea their ranges could have been stretched like that. Yeah pretty looong for the Maddog! As stated by someone earlier in the thread the ANC-KHV operated with a stop in GDX but the AA and CO flights were nonstop. IIRC they were eastbound...

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by UA735WL
Thu Dec 14, 2017 6:13 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Longest Flights on (older) Shorthaul Aircraft
Replies: 18
Views: 1969

Re: Longest Flights on (older) Shorthaul Aircraft

AS did not operate the MD-80 nonstop on ANC-KHV (That would be 2930 miles, way beyond the range of any MD-80). The route was ANC-GDX-KHV. Thanks for the info! I remember reading somewhere that the M80s involved were fitted with aux tanks but it still seemed a tad long for the M80. The A300-600 had ...

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by UA735WL
Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:43 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Longest Flights on (older) Shorthaul Aircraft
Replies: 18
Views: 1969

Longest Flights on (older) Shorthaul Aircraft

Howdy folks! I recently read a post stating that the 732 Advanced could fly 5+ hour segments with a full fuel load (missions it certainly wasn't designed for or often flown, especially late in its career). Modern narrowbodies have no trouble flying such routes (as evidenced by the recent glut of 737...

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by UA735WL
Thu Dec 14, 2017 5:21 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: [Hindsight] GE90 powered A330
Replies: 20
Views: 7908

Re: [Hindsight] GE90 powered A330

Considering how utterly destroyed the 346 was by the 77W, I'd bet that Airbus (with 20/20 hindsight) sees that there could have been a benefit to mating a modified 346 wing and fuselage to twin GE90-115Bs. While it would've required some serious wing strengthening and possibly a gear extension, it w...

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by UA735WL
Sun Dec 18, 2016 3:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Will AA ever operate Dallas to Flagstaff?
Replies: 27
Views: 3206

Re: Will AA ever operate Dallas to Flagstaff?

DFW-FLG can be flown if you want to take no payload. Its not uncommon in PHX for it to be weight restricted due to needing an alternate back to PHX as well as some combo of runway performance. Flagstaff has an 8500 ft runway. Are you telling me thats a problem with a E170/1755? it's only a 741nm fl...

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by UA735WL
Fri May 13, 2016 8:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Great Lakes Signs Flowthrough Deal With Frontier
Replies: 5
Views: 1662

RE: Great Lakes Signs Flowthrough Deal With Frontier

Flight school student here. A <acronym title="Great Lakes Aviation (USA)">ZK</acronym> recruiter was actually at my school earlier this week- he told us about this and was very proud to say the <acronym title="Great Lakes Aviation (USA)">ZK</acronym> was the "only" carrier with something resembling ...

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by UA735WL
Wed Apr 20, 2016 7:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FAA Pilot Minimum Req's To Expire This Year?
Replies: 45
Views: 13312

RE: FAA Pilot Minimum Req's To Expire This Year?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/N766UA" class="quote" target="_blank">N766UA</a> (<a href="#4" class="quote">Reply 4</a>):<br/><i/></font></td></tr></table> You are probably co...

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by UA735WL
Sat Apr 16, 2016 9:08 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Was UA Criticized For Their Caravelles?
Replies: 47
Views: 7113

RE: Was UA Criticized For Their Caravelles?

[quote=WIederling,reply=38] Just an anecdote: The flight school I currently attend recently received a new batch of C172s, assembled from parts manufactured in Mexico by an arm of Cessna located there. For whatever reason, these airplanes all turned out to be lemons, for lack of a better term- many ...

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by UA735WL
Mon Mar 21, 2016 8:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Volaris Applies For Austin And Milwaukee
Replies: 41
Views: 5017

RE: Volaris Applies For Austin And Milwaukee

Looks like it'll be #3 in the graveyard of failed Mexican carriers at <acronym title="OLD: Austin - Robert Mueller Municipal (AUS / KAUS) (closed), USA - Texas AND CURRENT: Austin - Bergstrom International (AFB) (AUS / KAUS), USA - Texas">AUS</acronym>, behind Aeromar and <acronym title="Aeromexico"...

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by UA735WL
Wed Mar 02, 2016 6:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why No "Screwdriver" Tail On DC9-10 Thru 50
Replies: 16
Views: 7012

RE: Why No "Screwdriver" Tail On DC9-10 Thru 50

IIRC there actually is a mod that adds the screwdriver tail on the DC-9- it's made by the same company that offers the Super 98 upgrade for the M88 that <acronym title="Delta Air Lines (USA)">DL</acronym> just installed. I don't remember the name of the company, but I remember finding it while brows...

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by UA735WL
Thu Feb 04, 2016 6:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Re-engined Q400?
Replies: 38
Views: 12705

RE: Re-engined Q400?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Spacepope" class="quote" target="_blank">Spacepope</a> (<a href="#27" class="quote">Reply 27</a>):<br/><i>Oh yes, nothing says unbridled commerc...

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by UA735WL
Thu Feb 04, 2016 4:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Re-engined Q400?
Replies: 38
Views: 12705

RE: Re-engined Q400?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/prebennorholm" class="quote" target="_blank">prebennorholm</a> (<a href="#24" class="quote">Reply 24</a>):<br/><i>Any other jet airliner with na...

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by UA735WL
Mon Feb 01, 2016 6:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing Sets 737 MAX First Flight Date
Replies: 149
Views: 26195

RE: Boeing Sets 737 MAX First Flight Date

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/Boeing778X" class="quote" target="_blank">Boeing778X</a> (<a href="#141" class="quote">Reply 141</a>):<br/><i/></font></td></tr></table> What is...

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by UA735WL
Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AUS Announces Terminal Expansion
Replies: 17
Views: 4721

AUS Announces Terminal Expansion

<a href="http://texashillcountry.com/austin-airport-announces-massive-expansion/" target="_blank">http://texashillcountry.com/austin-a...rport-announces-massive-expansion/</a> Cool to see the airport's master plan coming together, especially when considering how far the Austin market has come since ...

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by UA735WL
Tue Jan 26, 2016 7:27 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Pepsi Concorde
Replies: 14
Views: 12041

RE: Pepsi Concorde

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote" ><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/bunumuring" class="quote" target="_blank">bunumuring</a> (<a href="#0" class="quote">Thread starter</a>):<br/><i>Currently enjoying an Austral...

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by UA735WL
Mon Jan 25, 2016 6:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Intentional Three-Engine Takeoffs?
Replies: 42
Views: 14552

RE: Intentional Three-Engine Takeoffs?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/highflier92660" class="quote" target="_blank">highflier92660</a> (<a href="#30" class="quote">Reply 30</a>):<br/><i> I never knew they could fly...

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by UA735WL
Fri Jan 15, 2016 6:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS Rebranding Teaser
Replies: 132
Views: 29387

RE: AS Rebranding Teaser

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/kanban" class="quote" target="_blank">kanban</a> (<a href="#10" class="quote">Reply 10</a>):<br/><i> It says "Delta" underneath</i></font></td><...

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by UA735WL
Sat Jan 09, 2016 1:01 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JetBlue Inaugurates DAB
Replies: 52
Views: 5569

RE: JetBlue Inaugurates DAB

Jeez, wish someone could convince <acronym title="JetBlue Airways (USA)">B6</acronym> to start <acronym title="Prescott - Ernest A Love Field (Municipal) (PRC / KPRC), USA - Arizona">PRC</acronym>...all us Riddle students out in Arizona are getting tired of <acronym title="Great Lakes Aviation (USA)...

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by UA735WL
Fri Dec 04, 2015 11:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: JAL Eyes New US Routes
Replies: 99
Views: 15077

RE: JAL Eyes New US Routes

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/DariusBieber" class="quote" target="_blank">DariusBieber</a> (<a href="#84" class="quote">Reply 84</a>):<br/><i>I totally agree. <acronym title=...

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by UA735WL
Fri Nov 20, 2015 10:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The Core Truths Of A-Net
Replies: 340
Views: 29339

RE: The Core Truths Of A-Net

1) Continental was the best carrier to ever grace the sky. PMUA was by far the worst with their sole business goal being to steal Christmas from puppy dogs and small children. 2) The A319 is *obviously* better than the 73G in terms of takeoff performance. Anyone who says otherwise is an Airbus hatin...

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by UA735WL
Wed Nov 18, 2015 10:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Flexjet Orders 20 Aerion AS2 Supersonic Jets
Replies: 91
Views: 18338

RE: Flexjet Orders 20 Aerion AS2 Supersonic Jets

Wow... that is one *fugly* airplane. Reminds me of a carrot with wings. Best of luck to Aerion though...if this idea turns out to be viable they'll have a big lead over everyone else who might be looking to compete. Doubt it'll happen though...the same things that made Concorde uneconomical are work...

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by UA735WL
Fri Oct 23, 2015 5:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Where Are The 9 A321 Of UTAir (Russia)?
Replies: 10
Views: 4085

RE: Where Are The 9 A321 Of UTAir (Russia)?

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/enilria" class="quote" target="_blank">enilria</a> (<a href="#5" class="quote">Reply 5</a>):<br/><i>CASM</i></font></td></tr></table> I don't th...

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by UA735WL
Thu Oct 08, 2015 2:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: SunExpress Flying MUC-ADB At 25,000?
Replies: 3
Views: 1360

RE: SunExpress Flying MUC-ADB At 25,000?

If it's a 737 it's possible that they mel'd an A/C pack...IIRC the max dispatch altitude for a 738 with one pack inop is FL250.

Jonas

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by UA735WL
Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: United Names Munoz CEO, Smisek Steps Down
Replies: 261
Views: 36734

RE: United Names Munoz CEO, Smisek Steps Down

Gotta wonder what this will do to the stock price Mr. Smisek seemed to care so much about....


Jonas

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by UA735WL
Sat Aug 15, 2015 2:05 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 10 Years Ago - Helios 522
Replies: 6
Views: 2896

RE: 10 Years Ago - Helios 522

<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/BMcD" class="quote" target="_blank">BMcD</a> (<a href="#0" class="quote">Thread starter</a>):<br/><i/></font></td></tr></table> Boeing modified ...

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