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by LH707330
Thu Sep 16, 2021 5:11 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: How much effort to develop ATR combi with front pax loading?
Replies: 5
Views: 577

Re: How much effort to develop ATR combi with front pax loading?

I thought flexible dividers were no longer certifiable after the SAA 295 crash, not sure if OP's idea is to move that bulkhead from one flight to the next or to keep it fixed. Regarding the W+B, having a cargo bay all the way in front or all the way in back would have a long moment arm. Either way y...

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by LH707330
Sun Sep 12, 2021 4:20 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Engine placement for 6 engine airplanes
Replies: 4
Views: 839

Re: Engine placement for 6 engine airplanes

The 6 individual pods give you more safety from contagious failures at the expense of more wetted surface. Engines in side-by-side pods have experienced contagious failures on Il-62s: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOT_Polish_Airlines_Flight_7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LOT_Polish_Airlines_Flight_...

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by LH707330
Wed Sep 08, 2021 4:31 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Innovations created by one airliner manufacturer that were later adopted by another airliner manufacturer?
Replies: 8
Views: 1179

Re: Innovations created by one airliner manufacturer that were later adopted by another airliner manufacturer?

There are a lot of things that one OEM does that another adopts. In many cases, all understand the merits of an innovation, but there's disagreement about how or when to go and build it based on maturity and cost. Some examples: Underslung podded engines: pioneered by the 707, later adopted as indus...

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by LH707330
Tue Sep 07, 2021 7:59 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: PA28, 0.6 gallons remaining (2.5 liters) of usable fuel at landing
Replies: 29
Views: 2975

Re: PA28, 0.6 gallons remaining (2.5 liters) of usable fuel at landing

But in summary, the main mistery is how the right tank was almost depleted and the left tank had still much more. Maybe simply because of key moments of the flight being on the right tank, and this is why this situation was reached (so frustrating to reach such a risky point, without knowing really...

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by LH707330
Tue Sep 07, 2021 3:04 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Are four engine airliners harder to handle than twins?
Replies: 21
Views: 2795

Re: Are four engine airliners harder to handle than twins?

It was either Joe Sutter's book "747" or Serling's "Legend and Legacy" that mentioned this, when Boeing went to do the 727 they got a guy from Lockheed to come back from retirement to help them with the control system. That's a big reason the flight controls are much better on th...

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by LH707330
Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:33 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: PA28, 0.6 gallons remaining (2.5 liters) of usable fuel at landing
Replies: 29
Views: 2975

Re: PA28, 0.6 gallons remaining (2.5 liters) of usable fuel at landing

Since at the club the fuel gauges are not considered accurate, i was focused on my calculations and didn’t look very much at them, definitely a lesson there. They were consistent, the right fuel gauge was showing completely empty and the left one having a bit left. Well, there's an old joke that yo...

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by LH707330
Fri Sep 03, 2021 4:41 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: N1 creeping up in climb 737NG
Replies: 9
Views: 1716

Re: N1 creeping up in climb 737NG

Fascinating. Thanks for the answers guys, sounds like PMDG got it right and it wasnt just me overthinking. Guess my confusion was, directly relating N1 percentage with engine wear. Outside of my aviation hobby, Im a car guy, so the picture i was painting in my mind was 101% N1 was equivalent to bou...

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by LH707330
Fri Sep 03, 2021 4:36 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: PA28, 0.6 gallons remaining (2.5 liters) of usable fuel at landing
Replies: 29
Views: 2975

Re: PA28, 0.6 gallons remaining (2.5 liters) of usable fuel at landing

Couple questions to help narrow it down: 1. What were your fuel gauges showing? 2. Were you leaning at intermediate altitudes to hit the book fuel burn numbers? Also, how much fudge factor did you bake in? The POH numbers are usually for clean, new aircraft with new engines and proper procedure, so ...

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by LH707330
Thu Sep 02, 2021 7:55 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: GE or PW jet engines on Finnair MD-11s?
Replies: 5
Views: 882

Re: GE or PW jet engines on Finnair MD-11s?

https://airlinercafe.com/page.php?id=392
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One easy way to tell the difference is to see if the core cone sticks out of the engine. If it does, it's GE. If it's got a more rounded core exhaust and the cone is not visible, it's PW. Check out this article: https://airlinercafe.com/page.php?id=392

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by LH707330
Tue Aug 31, 2021 2:55 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Size of speed brakes[spoilers] on airliners?
Replies: 14
Views: 1648

Re: Size of speed brakes[spoilers] on airliners?

So here's an interesting one. On the 737-800, the spoiler deflection was increased with the short-field performance package. This puts the spoiler deflection angle in line with the outboard spoiler panel at 60 degrees, compared to those without the short-field performance package which were limited...

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by LH707330
Tue Aug 31, 2021 2:52 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: How do late production A/C differ from earlier examples?
Replies: 9
Views: 1218

Re: How do late production A/C differ from earlier examples?

A330/340: wing twist change (l/n 74 IINM), new stabilizer fairing (introduced on A332, then backported to 333/343/342, l/n 182 IINM: https://airlinercafe.com/forums.php?m=posts&p=75318), switch from CRT to 2 Also on the newer A330s: FBW rudder, digital backup instrumentation instead of steam, L...

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by LH707330
Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:33 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Examples of Where Older Versions of Aeroplanes Outlive Newer Versions
Replies: 26
Views: 3166

Re: Examples of Where Older Versions of Aeroplanes Outlive Newer Versions

Thread bump... To generalize: whenever an older model gets it more right than a newer model or has a larger support network, that old one sticks around longer. The example of the 343 is a good one: the engine has a lot of common parts with the 320 engines and was designed well from the start. The 50...

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by LH707330
Mon Aug 30, 2021 11:21 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: How do late production A/C differ from earlier examples?
Replies: 9
Views: 1218

Re: How do late production A/C differ from earlier examples?

Many aircraft families have changes during the production run, either to standardize parts, make things a bit better, lower costs, etc. Sometimes an enhancement developed for a new model gets backported. A few I can think of: A320: tortilla chips, winglets, new tank layout (designed for 321 then bac...

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by LH707330
Mon Aug 30, 2021 8:33 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Size of speed brakes[spoilers] on airliners?
Replies: 14
Views: 1648

Re: Size of speed brakes[spoilers] on airliners?

Do you know why they have to delay the full deployment? Because I thought that if they were to be deployed fully right away, the increased drag would probably reduce the landing distance I can only guess. To my understanding the main purpose of the ground spoilers is to destroy most of the lift aft...

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by LH707330
Sat Aug 28, 2021 4:15 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Size of speed brakes[spoilers] on airliners?
Replies: 14
Views: 1648

Re: Size of speed brakes[spoilers] on airliners?

I must say, I did not believe you for a second when you said the outboard spoilers were 2 feet, 3 inches tall. For comparison, the MD11 spoilers are 0.67m by 1.85m (26.5" x 73") for the outboard spoiler panels (4 on each wing) and 0.47m by 3.05m (18.5" x 120") for the inboard sp...

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by LH707330
Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:54 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: original wing(span) of the 787-9
Replies: 7
Views: 1657

Re: original wing(span) of the 787-9

I'm tempted to say it was supposed to be 6 feet per side for a total of 209'4", so 63.80.

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by LH707330
Thu Aug 26, 2021 11:37 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: CFM56 versus GTF
Replies: 3
Views: 998

Re: CFM56 versus GTF

Airlines spend a chunk of money on maintenance, and a much bigger chunk of money on fuel. Check out table 4-6 in here: https://www.faa.gov/regulations_policies/policy_guidance/benefit_cost/media/econ-value-section-4-op-costs.pdf Depending on the aircraft size, fuel is 2-3x more than total maintenanc...

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by LH707330
Wed Aug 25, 2021 4:38 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Why didn't Boeing power the 727 with JT3D engines?
Replies: 11
Views: 1890

Re: Why didn't Boeing power the 727 with JT3D engines?

Even in those days, fuel burn was important: you don't want to burn too much fuel because even if it was free, it still eats into your payload and range numbers. Granted, expensive fuel shifts the priority a bit, but it's not like the designers of the time were not chasing every last % the same exac...

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by LH707330
Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:19 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Flap setting differences on DC-9-10 and other DC-9 types
Replies: 9
Views: 890

Re: Flap setting differences on DC-9-10 and other DC-9 types

The downward deck angle is common on aircraft with no slats, the CRJ100/200 do the same thing. I don’t think I’d generalize that widely, as the 145 family doesn’t have slats, but doesn’t land nose down. Yes the DC9-10 does land with a distinct nose down attitude on approach Fair criticism, let's go...

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by LH707330
Mon Aug 23, 2021 3:19 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Flap setting differences on DC-9-10 and other DC-9 types
Replies: 9
Views: 890

Re: Flap setting differences on DC-9-10 and other DC-9 types

The downward deck angle is common on aircraft with no slats, the CRJ100/200 do the same thing.

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by LH707330
Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:45 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Weight conversions to imperial/metric for 'used' aircraft- how does it work?
Replies: 14
Views: 1191

Re: Weight conversions to imperial/metric for 'used' aircraft- how does it work?

All you need to do is multiply or divide the right numbers by 2.2 to get what you need. Just ask the team at Air Canada :P

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by LH707330
Mon Aug 23, 2021 12:42 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Do Airbus pilots have nicknames for their aircraft?
Replies: 17
Views: 2857

Re: Do Airbus pilots have nicknames for their aircraft?

http://www.b737.org.uk/aircraftnicknames.htm
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The most common ones I hear are "Atari" and "Trash panda."

This site has a whole list of them: http://www.b737.org.uk/aircraftnicknames.htm

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by LH707330
Tue Aug 17, 2021 10:29 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: If an airliner is too heavy for takeoff due to conditions, how is it lightened? Remove pax? cargo?
Replies: 17
Views: 2286

Re: If an airliner is too heavy for takeoff due to conditions, how is it lightened? Remove pax? cargo?

How proactive is dispatch and/or scheduling about all of this? Do they sell less seats in PHX in the summer or do they just leave it up to the pilots and gate agents to sort it all out on the day of? My guess is that the competent outfits plan on a likely set of conditions based on history and fore...

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by LH707330
Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:48 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: If an airliner is too heavy for takeoff due to conditions, how is it lightened? Remove pax? cargo?
Replies: 17
Views: 2286

Re: If an airliner is too heavy for takeoff due to conditions, how is it lightened? Remove pax? cargo?

I've seen a couple of these scenarios. Coming out of Denver on an unseasonably warm day, they needed to bump 6 people on an E175. Nobody went for the $250 that they first offered, so they increased the bid to $1000 and they had enough takers. IMHO that sort of auction should be the standard. The bag...

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by LH707330
Tue Aug 17, 2021 3:23 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: For older pilots: What was it like to fly commercial jetliners before FAR 91:117?
Replies: 16
Views: 2000

Re: For older pilots: What was it like to fly commercial jetliners before FAR 91:117?

my last 4 flights in the US, only on arrival into MDW was there a resemblance of a 250 speed limit under 10,000. Other 3 going into either light trafficked airports or coming into busy airspace thru an empty corner, RSW, BWI and DTW, all on 737NGs, seemed like the only speed restriction was gear do...

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by LH707330
Wed Aug 11, 2021 3:23 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Longest commercial flight record
Replies: 30
Views: 3947

Re: Longest commercial flight record

Oh you actually make a great point here. The L1649A is a really impressive aircraft because of its endurance. It could make power and lift efficiently enough to be able to stay aloft for 23 hours in regular revenue service with plenty of useful payload and land with reserve fuel intact. For all its...

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by LH707330
Mon Aug 09, 2021 10:18 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Longest commercial flight record
Replies: 30
Views: 3947

Re: Longest commercial flight record

Oh you actually make a great point here. The L1649A is a really impressive aircraft because of its endurance. It could make power and lift efficiently enough to be able to stay aloft for 23 hours in regular revenue service with plenty of useful payload and land with reserve fuel intact. For all its...

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by LH707330
Thu Aug 05, 2021 9:38 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Longest commercial flight record
Replies: 30
Views: 3947

Re: Longest commercial flight record

Oh I should have looked on the schedule. It is 9 hours different, so 22:10 for paris and 21:10 for London. But still, extremely long. I read - maybe on Jon Proctor's blog or some other TWA employee site - that the westbound inaugural on 871 Paris-SFO went over 23 hours non-stop. Part of the reason ...

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by LH707330
Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:58 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Longest commercial flight record
Replies: 30
Views: 3947

Re: Longest commercial flight record

Absolutely, the TWA L1649A westbound polar routes were the longest ever flights by duration in the US context. See the schedule below. TW771 operates Monday, London-San Francisco, depart 11:55pm from London, arrive 1:05pm San Francisco. TW871 departs 11pm from Paris, arrives 12:10pm San Francisco. ...

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by LH707330
Tue Aug 03, 2021 9:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Time to bring back (some) regulation
Replies: 121
Views: 10290

Re: Time to bring back (some) regulation

Many of the proposed ideas here will have unintended consequences. If the problem OP is trying to fix is "the airline didn't hold up their end of the bargain because they dropped the ball on crew scheduling/vendor mgmt/etc.," then the only reform needed is a penalty/refund system that make...

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by LH707330
Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:14 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Thrust limits for derated jet engine?
Replies: 5
Views: 1292

Re: Thrust limits for derated jet engine?

Short answer is " it depends," on a couple of variables: 1. If it's mechanically constrained (maybe the DC-10-15 engine was, I don't know), then it wouldn't be adjustable and in a pinch you'd get pinched. I'm not sure why that D10 model was limited to 45k #, so I couldn't tell you the spec...

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by LH707330
Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:26 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Longest commercial flight record
Replies: 30
Views: 3947

Re: Longest commercial flight record

I know some of TWA's Jetstreams were scheduled San Francisco to Paris or London in the late 1950's before the 707s came online, what was the flight time like on those? Of course this wouldnt be longest by distance but by time spent in the air. Absolutely, the TWA L1649A westbound polar routes were ...

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by LH707330
Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Exterior design Airbus NEO vs Classic?
Replies: 9
Views: 3369

Re: Exterior design Airbus NEO vs Classic?

The A330neo also features a reshaped slat 1 and flap-track fairings: https://d1a2ot8agkqe8w.cloudfront.net/web/2019/05/a330neo-key-features-flight-test-article_77299.jpg Source: https://www.flightglobal.com/the-flight-test-of-airbuss-refreshed-widebody-the-a330neo/132343.article I think the flap tr...

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by LH707330
Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:10 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Maximum gross weight step climb question
Replies: 20
Views: 1899

Re: Maximum gross weight step climb question

I am not sure if the same pronounced effect exists with newer generation 787's or A 350's. Both of those designs have a lower wing loading than the 777-300ER, so they tend to have higher initial cruise altitudes, unless it makes sense to start lower for some reason (stronger tailwinds, ATC, turbule...

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by LH707330
Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:06 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: MD-11: Two types of outboard flap tracks fairings
Replies: 9
Views: 1159

Re: MD-11: Two types of outboard flap tracks fairings

https://airlinercafe.com/page.php?id=392
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Those new flap fairing were part of the PIP, as were the new #2 intake, windscreen wipers, GE pointy exhaust cones, and a handful of other things. More on the changes here: https://airlinercafe.com/page.php?id=392

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by LH707330
Mon Aug 02, 2021 4:34 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Longest commercial flight record
Replies: 30
Views: 3947

Re: Longest commercial flight record

"TWA followed not long after with the Lockheed L-1649 Starliner, flying nonstop between San Francisco and London. The flight time remains the undisputed record, often exceeding 23 hours, said Hill." https://www.usatoday.com/story/travel/flights/todayinthesky/2018/10/13/singapore-airlines-w...

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by LH707330
Thu Jul 22, 2021 4:19 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: SOP flap/slat movement on the DC-10
Replies: 21
Views: 1540

Re: SOP flap/slat movement on the DC-10

Did McDac actually call the system "dial-a-flap" as well, or is that pilot slang? No, it was referred to in our flight manual as ‘Dial a flap’ that was the official term You ‘dialed’ in a pre-planned flap setting for take off. We rarely used it, the only airport I remember using it from w...

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by LH707330
Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:42 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: MOGAS Availability in airports in EU and US
Replies: 11
Views: 953

Re: MOGAS Availability in airports in EU and US

It's been done before. I know, its Wikipedia, but: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_injection_(engine) In jets, sure, but doing so in an aviation piston engine would be a whole different thing. From that Wiki, it appears that it was done in Military Pistons pre-WWII. It appears some testing was ...

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by LH707330
Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:34 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: SOP flap/slat movement on the DC-10
Replies: 21
Views: 1540

Re: SOP flap/slat movement on the DC-10

Did McDac actually call the system "dial-a-flap" as well, or is that pilot slang?

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by LH707330
Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:01 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: MOGAS Availability in airports in EU and US
Replies: 11
Views: 953

Re: MOGAS Availability in airports in EU and US

Mogas is pretty rare at US airports these days and people who use Mogas tend to truck it in with jerry cans or they have a truck with like a 100 gallon tank in the bed. Most folks who have Mogas capable airplanes just use avgas. In some places in the US, the price isn't much different. Well, margin...

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by LH707330
Fri Jul 16, 2021 10:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: FT: EU plans tax on aviation fuel - to be announced on 14th of July
Replies: 59
Views: 6114

Re: EU Climate Policy Airline Impact And Solutions

Hydrogen, so long as its sourced from green energy, is a good storage medium and a "known" technology. And it's not standing still, with lightweight pressure vessels etc. being developed together with more advanced fuel stacks. But it'd require a wholesale replacement of aircraft unless t...

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by LH707330
Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:30 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Purchase A359/737-900ER
Replies: 766
Views: 195308

Re: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Order A359/737-900ER

How oddball are the B8F engines, do they have physical differences from the rest, or is it a thrust plug? A lot of the components hung on the engine are different. DL sent these to GE Caledonian for overhaul for several years while having a CF6-80C2B6F overhaul shop in house. In other words, the en...

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by LH707330
Fri Jul 16, 2021 9:29 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Chart of Jetliners with and without wing vortex generators.
Replies: 7
Views: 988

Re: Chart of Jetliners with and without wing vortex generators.

Where does the 747-8 have vortex generators? They added nacelle strakes on the engines, but I thought the wing didn't get any.

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by LH707330
Thu Jul 15, 2021 6:51 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Purchase A359/737-900ER
Replies: 766
Views: 195308

Re: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Order A359/737-900ER

With the exception of the 717, what other orphan types does DL have? Even the out-of-production 757 is not an orphan plane The 764 is a big orphan. Oddball engines (-B8F), oddball landing gear and oddball black boxes in the E/E bay. How oddball are the B8F engines, do they have physical differences...

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by LH707330
Wed Jul 07, 2021 12:21 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: New FAA Standard Weights: A Summer and Winter of Fuel Stops?
Replies: 36
Views: 3742

Re: New FAA Standard Weights: A Summer and Winter of Fuel Stops?

US 5481 wouldn't have happened if the airplane had been maintained properly. The crew couldn't trim the aircraft to handle the overweight, out of envelope condition. That goes to show just how robustly the 1900 was built and how Swiss cheesed they got. At this point, most airlines are operating the...

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by LH707330
Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:29 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: New FAA Standard Weights: A Summer and Winter of Fuel Stops?
Replies: 36
Views: 3742

Re: New FAA Standard Weights: A Summer and Winter of Fuel Stops?

US 5481 wouldn't have happened if the airplane had been maintained properly. The crew couldn't trim the aircraft to handle the overweight, out of envelope condition. That goes to show just how robustly the 1900 was built and how Swiss cheesed they got. At this point, most airlines are operating the...

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by LH707330
Sun Jul 04, 2021 4:35 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: New FAA Standard Weights: A Summer and Winter of Fuel Stops?
Replies: 36
Views: 3742

Re: New FAA Standard Weights: A Summer and Winter of Fuel Stops?

US 5481 wouldn't have happened if the airplane had been maintained properly. The crew couldn't trim the aircraft to handle the overweight, out of envelope condition. That goes to show just how robustly the 1900 was built and how Swiss cheesed they got. At this point, most airlines are operating the...

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by LH707330
Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:03 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Why is the BAC limit for pilots higher than that of driving in the US states?
Replies: 12
Views: 2324

Re: Why is the BAC limit for pilots higher than that of driving in the US states?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.17
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There's also 91.17.a.2 which states "under the influence." So if you're >8 hours and <.04 but still feel like garbage, they count that.

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.17

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by LH707330
Fri Jul 02, 2021 3:14 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: New FAA Standard Weights: A Summer and Winter of Fuel Stops?
Replies: 36
Views: 3742

Re: New FAA Standard Weights: A Summer and Winter of Fuel Stops?

So have the weights actually increased? Passengers have got fatter over the pandemic? Or is this purely the extra weight of the extra fuel that's required to be loaded based on the passenger weights, if so then can it really have that much impact tankering a bit of extra fuel? Even the 50seat plane...

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by LH707330
Wed Jun 30, 2021 4:02 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Could a shorter person, say a person like 5 feet or something be a pilot?
Replies: 18
Views: 3083

Re: Could a shorter person, say a person like 5 feet or something be a pilot?

There are a couple of cadet programs you can look at in Europe where they specify height requirements, IINM Swiss has 1.60-1.98, which probably covers 95% of the population. At 14, you've likely got some growing left to do. One of my buddies was 5'2" at that age and is now 5'10", so I'll b...

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