I’m glad I’m not the only one that sees that without S2, the entire program is a loss of gates for the airport overall. I’d rather have a functional usable airport setup for real growth than an architect’s starry eyed vision that maintains the status quo. I highly doubt S2 will get done in any reas...
Jump to postThis was posted on the Southwest thread. WN has reduced frequencies on the following routes ORD- AUS/BNA/BWI/DAL/DEN/LAS/MCO/PHX and has cut TPA and RSW. I’m assuming this has less to do with performance than it does the lack of aircraft deliveries expected this year. It's due to the 40 or so less ...
Jump to postWhen reviewing gate allocation, it’s important to keep in mind alliance partners that are anticipated to use the new facilities at ORD. Presumably this will include Lufthansa, ANA, BA, Iberia, JAL and Aer Lingus. Perhaps a few other alliance partners. It may get crowded pretty quickly without S2. U...
Jump to postManistee, MI Update-MBL The MBL Board has voted for Boutique Air to ORD utilizing Option 2, with Twin Engine Service. Contour was declined as they are Part 380, and Cape Air was declined as the proposal was not ensuring 50% or more for traffic levels. Really thought Contour would win this round. If...
Jump to postI'll find it very interesting to see what the airlines (not just UA and AA) are willing to give up to keep it on budget as they're the ones setting the limit on how much will be spent. As the old saying goes, you can't have it both ways.
Jump to postAlso, I may be in the minority here, but I would be happy to take a slightly simplified and more practical OGT if it means S2 gets built. Maybe the OGT is more of an A to A- rather than an A+. S2 was needed 5 years ago and S3 is needed now already. We all know that UA and AA’s primary motivations a...
Jump to postUsually travel myself. Today was collecting someone at T5 on international arrival. Parked in main garage and took the train. T5 parking structure is taking shape. Retaining wall on the arrivals drive is almost done. The pedestrian bridge to nowhere is now connected to the parking building. Arrival...
Jump to postCrains is reporting that the Mayor’s proposal is to build S1 first, then OGT, and then S2. Just as we suspected. The Tribune article has incomplete information. Any idea if Satellite 1 could have FIS functionality, before the OGT is built, to help take some stress off T5 as well as greatly reduce t...
Jump to postI somewhat understand the logic behind this proposal, but not completely. The positive is you can lock in construction costs for OGT (the most expensive part of the overhaul) now and build more economical satellites later in order to stay within budget. The big con though is that it has no impact o...
Jump to postI somewhat understand the logic behind this proposal, but not completely. The positive is you can lock in construction costs for OGT (the most expensive part of the overhaul) now and build more economical satellites later in order to stay within budget. The big con though is that it has no impact o...
Jump to postThe plot thickens..... https://www.chicagotribune.com/2024/04/05/city-proposes-change-ohare-airport-rebuild/ "A change in the order of construction had been sought by airlines during months of contentious negotiations with the city over the rebuild, as they sought to ensure the new terminal wa...
Jump to postAirlines have submitted Proposal Bids for Muskegon, Michigan Alex MKG Airport Board has decided on DAC-Denver Air Connection. Link: https://www.mlive.com/news/muskegon/2024/04/new-airline-tapped-to-serve-muskegon-county-following-cancellation-concerns.html DOT Link: https://www.regulations.gov/docu...
Jump to postMaybe they could cheaply "expand" S1 by building a really shoddy temporary regional pier perpendicular off the west side in the space where the taxilanes between S1 and S2 would be if they could actually afford to build S2 as planned. And as someone who's not a Chicago resident and only u...
Jump to postI would say with this all being speculation, perhaps we just wait and see what comes out in the end. Although, it does make for great discussion over drinks on the short term.
Jump to postWas there an image in the article showing how much larger UA would want S1? I wouldn't think there's much real estate available to make S1 much larger, if at all. Stalling S2 would be a huge drop in gate capacity if/when T2 gets razed to allow for OGT to be built. It absolutely would. Someone is be...
Jump to postMajor, Major developments in the ORD 21 saga: https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg-hinz-politics/ohare-expansion-deal-could-shrink-under-johnson-greg-hinz-column Key takeaways: - Construction on Sat 1 to begin this year - UAL wants a bigger Sat 1, wants Sat 2 paused - OGT moving ahead Was there an ...
Jump to postI forgot about that AF/KLM space, but I'm assuming you are referring to someone other than AF/KLM occupying that space? I see BA being redesigned for something else given that space will be freed up. I would also expect to see Swissport being redeveloped after LOT opens. I still don't understand wh...
Jump to postDoes anyone have an update on the new lounges in T5? Specifically the LOT Polish Airlines lounge due this year. LO is at 90% design..AF moving along too. There will be a redesign of the stellar/world class Swissport lounge and the old Korean Lounge. The same for the soon to be BA Terraces lounge on...
Jump to postDoes anyone have an update on the new lounges in T5? Specifically the LOT Polish Airlines lounge due this year. LO is at 90% design..AF moving along too. There will be a redesign of the stellar/world class Swissport lounge and the old Korean Lounge. The same for the soon to be BA Terraces lounge on...
Jump to postWell, i travel for a living. Go through airports all over the country with regularity. I'm not saying ORD is the worst, but among the big airports across the country ORD it certainly isn't very competitive. The only thing it has going for it terminal wise are those nice views in the central hallway...
Jump to postDid CDA update the schematic diagram on their website for TAP? I’ve never seen this one before but maybe I missed the update. Compared to the earlier drawing, they’ve changed the shape of OGT (main area more rectangular), the second satellite concourse (reduced area where the concourse connects to ...
Jump to postWell for starters, spirit is moving to T5. Who gets other vacancies in T5? Idk. Could be SA airlines, or sky team and LCC’s. Perhaps frontier, or southwest. Spirit doesn't move to T5 until the OGT is completed. Spirits moving over to G by Q3 of this year. In that case, the ticketing space AA would ...
Jump to postAgain - The reason so many seem to get hung up on this discussion is by simply pointing out reality. Nobody is disputing BA moving to T3 won't be beneficial OW flyers. It absolutely will. But the reality is - There's room available in T3 for a 2x (3x this Summer) widebody flight to move over, and t...
Jump to postAbsolutely great take Johhny, and it's a good explanation for what's going on. I still maintain there's a possibility of AA building a new lounge. If not AA, then what else would be going into new T3 lounge space? Only possibilities would be a credit card lounge. Lord knows I wish we had more at OR...
Jump to postLooking at the total number of airlines that will eventually be using terminal 5 along with international carriers how many gates do you expect WN will get? If we take out LH, NH, LX, JL, BA, IB, QR, and move them over to the global terminal keeping in mind not all Star or OneWorld airlines are mov...
Jump to postThe amount of growth at ORD for WN will be directly tied to # of gates. Their operation not being large is true in relative terms but considering they only started ORD ops less than 5 years ago and have their second largest base ( by departures) less than 10 miles away I’d say they’re doing pretty ...
Jump to postOne glaring hole...Southwest. Everything changed with Southwest coming into ORD. The CDA nor any of the parties to the new AULA planned for this and yet here we are. The OGT is 10 years away and to think what's on paper now will reflect the realities then is not looking at the real world. I imagine...
Jump to postFor those wondering about the gate split up at ORD, this report basically answers all your questions, specifically page B-181: https://www.faa.gov/sites/faa.gov/files/TAP_Final_EA_Appendix_B_3.pdf In essence, UA is getting 12 new widebody gates, all of which are FIS capable, and will keep their 7 e...
Jump to postSo, to level set here, a bunch of time, effort and money was poured into Terminal 5 expansion to provide more gates and now are seeing some OneWorld Terminal 5 carriers moving out, taking up limited resources and space at Terminal 3 - but international growth there is hampered by assets. I can't wa...
Jump to postSince BA is moving to T3 their lounge space at T5 should be up for grabs. Speaking of lounges, and I know it has been brought on prior year's threads, I wonder if BA will eventually take over AA's old, shuttered flagship lounge in high K. Last I heard, it was not being used for anything aside from ...
Jump to postI would love to see that gate slot in T5 filled in with another A380 from a different airline, but realistically, who knows if that will happen. It frustrates me to see other hubs in the country have multiple A380 departures when are now down to zero. I really don't care for the A380 -- I would muc...
Jump to postNZ to "suspend" service from AKL-ORD due to "engine issues". Last flight will be March 29th. NZ said they will reinstate the service on October 25th. From everyone I have talked to, the loads were awful and it was one of the worst performing in its network. Just easier/cheaper t...
Jump to postNew F9 routes for ORD; ORD-BNA 3x weekly Starts 5/16 ORD-PWM 3x weekly Starts 5/16 ORD-IAH 4x weekly Starts 5/17 https://news.flyfrontier.com/frontier-airlines-announces-17-new-routes-across-multiple-airports--spanning-the-us-and-caribbean/ It’s interesting that most of these new route announcement...
Jump to postWhen looking at this document, will this renovation of T2 actually happen since UA and AA have strong veto power over the Global Terminal that's being proposed and is overbudget I feel like if it does, then, the Global Terminal might not get built after all, I just know the CPE is probably what's s...
Jump to postLooks like the new North Stinger gates are opening soon, AA has been gate testing them this week. Anyone have photos? Contour moves over to G gates today, Denver Air moves from the Hardstands over to L25 and L27 today. Envoy will probably be tomorrow. But L25 and L27 are officially active as the CD...
Jump to postLooks like the new North Stinger gates are opening soon, AA has been gate testing them this week. Anyone have photos? Contour moves over to G gates today, Denver Air moves from the Hardstands over to L25 and L27 today. Envoy will probably be tomorrow. But L25 and L27 are officially active as the CD...
Jump to postThat's great to hear. I hope they also announce an acceleration of the schedule for the satellite terminal. Nothing in the OGT will be done until the satellite is built first. United at least seems to be pretty gate constrained. I've had several flights where we landed early but then had to wait fo...
Jump to postKinda public news around ORD is that American will be accommodating Contour on AA gates effective this month some time. They will not be using the Stinger gates as planned. It will be really interesting to see how AA handles Contours irrops. Does LF have their own people at the ticket counter and g...
Jump to postKinda public news around ORD is that American will be accommodating Contour on AA gates effective this month some time. They will not be using the Stinger gates as planned. It will be really interesting to see how AA handles Contours irrops.
Jump to postdavidjohnson6 wrote:The LTU brand has not been used for 15 years. Yes, some older Germans may remember it vaguely... but its value is not what it was.
\ I still have seen nothing from BA on a move and what gate(s) they’d use. Not for another couple of months. EI is H15, where Air Berlin use to depart from. We're about 3 weeks away from the north stinger gates coming online. Planned date is February 15th, although the area opens up sooner for airp...
Jump to postIrishAyes wrote:RE: BA moving to T3, is there an A380-capable gate for them to use at L/K/H?
But more importantly, airlines keep this system going because it allows the airlines to control access, costs and most importantly competition at an airport. Remember only three airports in the U.S. (LGA, JFK and DCA) have takeoff-and-landing slots and only two more (EWR, SFO) have mandated schedul...
Jump to postInteresting - Now that BA and Lingus are moving to T3, theoretically, that could free up a couple gates for new international flights..... Unless a domestic carrier picks them up. BA moving to T3 is not confirmed yet, although seems very likely eventually It's going to happen. AA takes over BA unde...
Jump to postVegasbased wrote:Looks like the new AS service from ZIH arrived into Gate E17. Anyone know why that could be?
It was announced within the airport community recently, effective January 24th, Aer Lingus moves arrivals and departures from Terminal 5 to Terminal 3.
Jump to postPerhaps the question should be broken down to; of the guns found, how many are licensed to carry versus those that are not. Should the punishment be equal?
Jump to postE16, G4 and G6 are common use. I think the 2 or 3 new L concourse gates were originally slated for AA but they may have switched to common use. E16 is a construction replacement to UA and G4/G6 are construction replacement to AA, so they're not CU. The 2 stinger gates are CU and they've never been ...
Jump to postOne thing that would help AA or any preferential carrier would be voluntarily accommodate OA's or Alliance partners on their own preferential gates. This would boost their schedule departure utilization rate which is the metric used in comparison to others that hold market share. While everyone is ...
Jump to postOne thing that would help AA or any preferential carrier would be voluntarily accommodate OA's or Alliance partners on their own preferential gates. This would boost their schedule departure utilization rate which is the metric used in comparison to others that hold market share. While everyone is f...
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