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by waly777
Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019
Replies: 465
Views: 126212

Re: Boeing 777X Testing Thread - 2019

p.s. wandering why it is not selling well I suspect that it is currently seen as too big for the market. This is what really did for the A380 and the 747-8 in my opinion (I do accept both of these were flawed in other ways). The same seems to be happening for the A350-1000 where speculation it is t...

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by waly777
Sat Jun 22, 2019 8:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Bloomberg:Airbus Says It Must Slash A350 Costs to Win Wide-Body Price War
Replies: 209
Views: 22887

Re: Bloomberg:Airbus Says It Must Slash A350 Costs to Win Wide-Body Price War

60 tons difference in MTOW, 10 tons difference in payload... that's 20% in my book. Oh, and a foot of fuselage width. Now estimate the revenue benefit and variable cost difference. Discuss the business case. For DL TPAC, I see your point. But UA flies 787s to North China as that is the best solutio...

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by waly777
Wed Jun 12, 2019 9:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: 777X First Flight Likely Delayed Due GE9X Issues
Replies: 179
Views: 30628

Re: Rumour: 777X First Flight Likely Delayed to Year End Due GE9X Issues

Isn't motelyfool basically a Boeing fanboy blog? Motley is the platform. It's the writers who provide the articles. And even then, the articles are biased in many ways. Much like the trash on seekingalpha too. Back to 77x: the max capacity is 440 with eighth doors? Does this increase with the other...

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by waly777
Wed Jun 12, 2019 8:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: 777X First Flight Likely Delayed Due GE9X Issues
Replies: 179
Views: 30628

Re: Rumour: 777X First Flight Likely Delayed to Year End Due GE9X Issues

equivalent CASM compared to A380? Its ballpark close. Many posters on here would assert the 779X has lower CASM than an A380 at a typical 450 seat config but my view is the A380 is slightly better on CASM. We wont know for definite until the 779X flies and is in service so its a point of debate but...

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by waly777
Sat Jun 08, 2019 6:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1327
Views: 226293

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

The following article was published in last month's Australian Aviation magazine. It goes through the whole evaluation for Project Sunrise, its well worth the read https://australianaviation.com.au/2019/06/the-joyce-choice-qantass-project-sunrise-evaluation/ That was a good read, quite a few obstac...

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by waly777
Mon Jun 03, 2019 1:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1327
Views: 226293

Re: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft

How do you get 300 seats in the 778 in 4 classes? What layout will you see that will make this possible, for those flights other than LHR that the aircraft will be used on as well. The same in a A35K....... Except the a35k has a larger floor size, 330m2 compared to 320m2 and about 4m longer The 778...

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by waly777
Sun May 12, 2019 1:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates announces -69% drop in net profits
Replies: 136
Views: 27798

Re: Emirates announces -69% drop in net profits

I am genuinely confused how $239 million as net profit = doom and gloom????

Sure some of the problems in the region were their fault, i.e. over capacity. But the weak economy and currency losses last year, were tangible. Despite this they made a decent net profit.

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by waly777
Tue May 07, 2019 3:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1327
Views: 226293

Re: Airbus and Boeing meet Qantas Project Sunrise challenge, RFP to be completed by end of 2019

:) and considering we ordered the AC right before yours did, we have access to similar information. Cruise speed is still not finalised. Hogwash, cruise speed is well known. If your airline has purchased the aircraft, they would already have the performance database. Those are preliminary figures, ...

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by waly777
Tue May 07, 2019 11:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1327
Views: 226293

Re: Airbus and Boeing meet Qantas Project Sunrise challenge, RFP to be completed by end of 2019

In other words, it is not a regular 777 and neither you nor I know what it's cruise speed will be. i.e. we all wait like everyone else before assuming the cruise speed will be the same :smile: Considering we have already flown the aircraft, ie the simulator at Boeing and it’s been though our flight...

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by waly777
Tue May 07, 2019 8:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1327
Views: 226293

Re: Airbus and Boeing meet Qantas Project Sunrise challenge, RFP to be completed by end of 2019

It is changing significantly enough to require 20,000lbs less max thrust and the 737-NG cruises faster than the classics (.78 vs .74) :smile: The 77X wing has 20% more area and increased span (less induced drag) means less thrust is required for takeoff. That is the reason for less thrust for takeo...

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by waly777
Tue May 07, 2019 7:18 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1327
Views: 226293

Re: Airbus and Boeing meet Qantas Project Sunrise challenge, RFP to be completed by end of 2019

This won't be the current 777. How about you wait and see like everyone else? It hasn't even flown yet. The wing isn’t changing that much, it will be like the 747-8, and 737NG It is changing significantly enough to require 20,000lbs less max thrust and the 737-NG cruises faster than the classics (....

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by waly777
Mon May 06, 2019 7:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1327
Views: 226293

Re: Airbus and Boeing meet Qantas Project Sunrise challenge, RFP to be completed by end of 2019

zeke wrote:
The current 777 in Econ spend a lot of time below 0.84

This won't be the current 777. How about you wait and see like everyone else? It hasn't even flown yet.

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by waly777
Sun Apr 28, 2019 5:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Cathay Pacific's Airbus A350-1000s and upcoming Boeing 777-9Xs
Replies: 62
Views: 15865

Re: Cathay Pacific's Airbus A350-1000s and upcoming Boeing 777-9Xs

Article is behind a pay wall. The CEO of Cathay Pacific says Boeing's new 777X is the logical choice for the Hong Kong airline as it modernizes its long-haul fleet. CEO Rupert Hogg suggested to The Business Journal the carrier might buy more than the first batch of 21 it ordered in 2013, when 777X w...

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by waly777
Fri Apr 12, 2019 6:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OSM Aviation orders 60 all-electric planes
Replies: 55
Views: 5240

Re: OSM Aviation orders 60 all-electric planes

Impressive, 220 orders as of Dec 2018. I guess this makes it 280 orders now

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by waly777
Thu Apr 04, 2019 11:30 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight
Replies: 23
Views: 6623

Re: Qantas FA sacked for drinking alcohol inflight

A better choice is to put them on leave and get them help for an addiction. But that means caring about your employees and corporations are people but have no feelings. So the individual is not an adult and not responsible for their actions despite knowing the work rules? Smh If she'd asked for hel...

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by waly777
Wed Mar 27, 2019 9:05 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: What can you do with a B.S. in Aviation/Aviation Management??
Replies: 18
Views: 2611

Re: What can you do with a B.S. in Aviation/Aviation Management??

Aviation degrees, generally speaking are about as worthless as they come, but good enough for checking a box to say you got a degree. Comparable with underwater basket weaving, except without the skill. Interesting opinion, and yet I was able to get a management position in a large airline fresh ou...

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by waly777
Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:05 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: What can you do with a B.S. in Aviation/Aviation Management??
Replies: 18
Views: 2611

Re: What can you do with a B.S. in Aviation/Aviation Management??

Aviation degrees, generally speaking are about as worthless as they come, but good enough for checking a box to say you got a degree. Comparable with underwater basket weaving, except without the skill. Interesting opinion, and yet I was able to get a management position in a large airline fresh ou...

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by waly777
Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1327
Views: 226293

Re: Airbus and Boeing meet Qantas Project Sunrise challenge, RFP to be completed by end of 2019

They could build market with current generation aircraft then shift them to Asia in 5-10years before upgrading. This is where I see the 350 as having the advantage; it’s more flexible if converted back to normal ops from ULH. The 77X just seems to heavy for QF to Asia. Would the weight have an impa...

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by waly777
Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:38 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Pax suing NK for bumping her 15yo daughter without informing her
Replies: 47
Views: 3582

Re: Pax suing NK for bumping her 15yo daughter without informing her

The law does exist, $1350 cash for involuntary denied boarding. Plus reacc to the next flight, if this is the next day, hotel, food and transport will be provided too. But that's only for involuntary. The amounts I mentioned are for volunteering to get bumped. It's in the law, if the flight is over...

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by waly777
Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:45 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Pax suing NK for bumping her 15yo daughter without informing her
Replies: 47
Views: 3582

Re: Pax suing NK for bumping her 15yo daughter without informing her

If the flight was overbooked, why didn't they just ask for volunteers to get bumped? There's always someone willing to give up his or her seat. Instead they picked a "volunteer" which is never a good idea. Perhaps the airline did not want to pay anything. Who would volunteer to have their...

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by waly777
Tue Mar 19, 2019 4:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How Will Etihad Cope With 10% Base Reduction in Passengers in "Perpetuity"?
Replies: 37
Views: 5407

Re: How Will Etihad Cope With 10% Base Reduction in Passengers in "Perpetuity"?

You do understand that there are more billionaires in India than in your country, don’t you? If I am not mistaken it has the 5th largest GDP in the world. What does this have to do with your original question though? Billionaires fly private jets.... :? :? Aah, you didn’t infer the larger point. In...

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by waly777
Tue Mar 19, 2019 1:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How Will Etihad Cope With 10% Base Reduction in Passengers in "Perpetuity"?
Replies: 37
Views: 5407

Re: How Will Etihad Cope With 10% Base Reduction in Passengers in "Perpetuity"?

Why is this even a question? Firms deal with 10% demand reductions all the time. You retire/return a fraction of the fleet, lay off/encourage to retire/terminate short term contract workers, and wait for growth to resume. Lots of air carrier costs aren't even in fixed assets (read: people and fuel)...

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by waly777
Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777-9 roll out delayed (originally planned for 13 Mar)
Replies: 207
Views: 46724

Re: Boeing 777-9 roll out delayed (originally planned for 13 Mar)

A couple of pictures comparing the size between 77W and 779 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1-NE-FU0AASJbw?format=jpg https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/status/1107759155152998400?s=20 https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D1-LKreUgAAHFGE?format=jpg https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/status/110775705476299571...

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by waly777
Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:42 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How Will Etihad Cope With 10% Base Reduction in Passengers in "Perpetuity"?
Replies: 37
Views: 5407

Re: How Will Etihad Cope With 10% Base Reduction in Passengers in "Perpetuity"?

While it may hurt a little in the short term, in the long term, they can operate their own flights if required as the AUH bilaterals still have plenty of seats left. Also, they can get into interline agreements with other LCCs like Indigo/SpiceJet if required, for connectivity from 2nd tier cities....

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by waly777
Tue Mar 19, 2019 7:41 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: How Will Etihad Cope With 10% Base Reduction in Passengers in "Perpetuity"?
Replies: 37
Views: 5407

Re: How Will Etihad Cope With 10% Base Reduction in Passengers in "Perpetuity"?

MODERATORS: This is a thread about Etihad NOT Jet Airways, so please do not merge this thread with the "Jet Airways Reports Cash Running Out" thread which is primarily read by Jet's Indian/American passengers. This thread is about Etihad which operates to far more countries than Jet Airwa...

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by waly777
Mon Mar 18, 2019 6:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Has grandfathering been taken too far?
Replies: 361
Views: 13408

Re: Boeing 777-8/-9 Grandfathering Certification, 777X or 7X7?

I think people need to grow out of this FAA-only bubble kind of mentality. Thank god there are other certifying bodies who are not only better funded and more technically apt, but to a large degree far more independent than the FAA. Cue the UK CAA and EASA. I trust that these bodies will both give ...

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by waly777
Sun Mar 10, 2019 9:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 713530

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

all 737MAX Aircraft should be grounded till the cause is determined ....jump the gun much? Tbh in this case knowing what we know about this incident right now I don’t think he is jumping the gun. RIP to those involved. And what exactly do we know about this incident other than the plane crashed sho...

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by waly777
Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: British Airways commits to ordering 18 777-9 plus an additional 24 options
Replies: 255
Views: 47315

Re: British Airways commits to ordering 18 777-9 plus an additional 24 options

With EY wanting to cancel their order of 777X's, Boeing must have done the rounds offering a "bargain" deal to IAG/BA and other airline groups for the planes. I'm pretty sure Willie Walsh got a good deal from Boeing and that Boeing ended up with an overall net order of -1 from the total 7...

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by waly777
Fri Mar 01, 2019 7:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: British Airways commits to ordering 18 777-9 plus an additional 24 options
Replies: 255
Views: 47315

Re: British Airways orders 18 777-9 plus an additional 24 options

How did I miss the news that Etihad canceled/deferred 19 of its 777-9 orders? I'm not sure Etihad has made a formal public announcement, but internal airline memos have been leaked that show they intend to only take 5 of 62 A350s and 6 of 26 777X with cancellation of the remainder. The Boeing rende...

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by waly777
Thu Feb 28, 2019 2:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: British Airways commits to ordering 18 777-9 plus an additional 24 options
Replies: 255
Views: 47315

Re: British Airways commits to ordering 18 777-9 plus an additional 24 options

Let us now see 18 new orders for the 777-9 and 30 new ones for the A350. A really bad start for the A350 this year. :sarcastic: :biggrin: 30 new ones offset by a reduction of 42. A grand total of -12 orders so far this year. Etihad have/ are cancelling 20 of their 26 777x orders. Incorrect. Anet se...

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by waly777
Thu Feb 14, 2019 1:14 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Reuters: Etihad restructures aircraft orders
Replies: 83
Views: 13761

Re: Etihad restructures aircraft orders

scbriml wrote:
ikolkyo wrote:
Although it has been said that the A350s are unlikely to enter the fleet according to some on here.


Given the first one has just had its tail painted in full EY colours, those people will be disappointed. :yes:


:) and it might surprise you which people will end up disappointed.

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by waly777
Wed Jan 30, 2019 6:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B777-9 future prospects?
Replies: 350
Views: 52219

Re: B777-9 future prospects?

Most 777 operators had a 9 abreast seating when the 777 got delivered. Many are changing to a 10 abreast seating when the aircraft are been refurbished, in order to keep CASM low.That fact, combined with cabin innovations and reduced standard pitch over the years, and taking into consideration the ...

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by waly777
Wed Jan 30, 2019 12:46 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Etihad to cancel a "significant amount" of A350 Order according to Aviation Analyst
Replies: 187
Views: 50677

Re: Etihad to cancel a "significant amount" of A350 Order according to Aviation Analyst

It amuses me that people discuss fair with respect to the 787/777x. The contract is what matters. If Airbus only firmed X, then X (seems to be 5 A35Ks) whitetails coming up! I would be shocked if EY (or leasing company) couldn't find a buyer at better than what EY paid! (Yes, I'm serious.) So no A3...

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by waly777
Tue Jan 29, 2019 12:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Etihad to cancel a "significant amount" of A350 Order according to Aviation Analyst
Replies: 187
Views: 50677

Re: Etihad to cancel a "significant amount" of A350 Order according to Aviation Analyst

EY is now flying the 787-10 on sectors where they would previously have used a 773ER. That must be saving them some dough. Speaking of long sectors, AUH-JFK is 5970 nmi. The advertised range of the B78X is 6430 nmi at 330 passengers. (EY's 2-class B78Xs have 336 seats; EY's 2-class B789s have 299 s...

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by waly777
Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B777-9 future prospects?
Replies: 350
Views: 52219

Re: B777-9 future prospects?

Get real, B777-8 is a failure. It only drags B777-9 down. Both Boeing and Airbus should have learned from their previous mistakes by now. Airbus learning their mistake from A380, that's why they are cautious not to stretch A350-1000 any longer cause bigger aircraft are not selling. Boeing need to l...

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by waly777
Tue Jan 29, 2019 9:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Etihad to cancel a "significant amount" of A350 Order according to Aviation Analyst
Replies: 187
Views: 50677

Re: Etihad to cancel a "significant amount" of A350 Order according to Aviation Analyst

EY is now flying the 787-10 on sectors where they would previously have used a 773ER. That must be saving them some dough. Speaking of long sectors, AUH-JFK is 5970 nmi. The advertised range of the B78X is 6430 nmi at 330 passengers. (EY's 2-class B78Xs have 336 seats; EY's 2-class B789s have 299 s...

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by waly777
Sat Jan 26, 2019 1:20 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B777-9 future prospects?
Replies: 350
Views: 52219

Re: B777-9 future prospects?

And I don't think Boeing need to spend much more money on the failing B777-8 either. Gave those money to improve on the B787 instead. At least airbus got their money from their standard A350-900. While improved B777-8 would only sucked money out of B777-9 sales. Get real. The -8 has 53 orders and w...

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by waly777
Mon Jan 21, 2019 4:19 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B777-9 future prospects?
Replies: 350
Views: 52219

Re: B777-9 future prospects?

You might get a wrong idea regarding my comment. My thought process is the fact that many airlines these days are using the point to point model instead of the hub and spoke model. Smaller and medium size wide-body aircraft (B787-8, B787-9 and A350-900) are selling rather well compared to the large...

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by waly777
Mon Jan 21, 2019 3:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B777-9 future prospects?
Replies: 350
Views: 52219

Re: B777-9 future prospects?

One metric? How about yields? How about EK? How are they doing compared to the last 10 years? Do you think TKs new hub will help or hurt EK? Your words were "far too little international demand and growth", i just proved that wrong and you change your tune? Can you please provide evidence...

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by waly777
Sun Jan 20, 2019 10:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B777-9 future prospects?
Replies: 350
Views: 52219

Re: B777-9 future prospects?

I know, it's not efficient enough, they have to stretch the fuselage so that airlines could crammed in more seats which in return would make the plane have better fuel efficiency per seat. It's not good enough to compete with A350-1000. And many of them are fairly young, really young to the point w...

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by waly777
Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B777-9 future prospects?
Replies: 350
Views: 52219

Re: B777-9 future prospects?

Middle east is Asia first of all. So yeah, majority of orders did come from Asia. BUT, ANA only order 20, same with SQ and Lufthansa, and then CX order 21. And Lufthansa is the only European airlines currently buying it. Non-ME3 airlines order took 25% of the order books right now. So we know for a...

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by waly777
Sun Jan 20, 2019 6:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B777-9 future prospects?
Replies: 350
Views: 52219

Re: B777-9 future prospects?

Agree that Boeing built the perfect airplane for Emirates. Everyone else? Not so much. Imho that goes a long way towards explaining why sales are so tepid. And yet Airlines from Asia and Europe have ordered the plane too. As for sales, it is quite clear that the 77W replacement time frame is not ye...

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by waly777
Sun Jan 20, 2019 5:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B777-9 future prospects?
Replies: 350
Views: 52219

Re: B777-9 future prospects?

See above, far too little intl air travel demand and growth to support all these large and expensive plane orders. Its almost a criminal use of shareholder assets imho. Didn't Emirates recently retire/park 6-7 year old 777-300 ER's? Why then, order more (larger) planes? Ps. International pax traffi...

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by waly777
Sun Jan 20, 2019 5:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B777-9 future prospects?
Replies: 350
Views: 52219

Re: B777-9 future prospects?

See above, far too little intl air travel demand and growth to support all these large and expensive plane orders. Its almost a criminal use of shareholder assets imho. Didn't Emirates recently retire/park 6-7 year old 777-300 ER's? Why then, order more (larger) planes? Ps. International pax traffi...

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by waly777
Sun Jan 20, 2019 3:09 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B777-9 future prospects?
Replies: 350
Views: 52219

Re: B777-9 future prospects?

Notably very few orders And yet the 35K which is the closest to the 778/9 is facing the same sales issue but it's supposedly less customized with more mass appeal. How do you explain that one? See above, far too little intl air travel demand and growth to support all these large and expensive plane...

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by waly777
Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B777-9 future prospects?
Replies: 350
Views: 52219

Re: B777-9 future prospects?

Agree that Boeing built the perfect airplane for Emirates. Everyone else? Not so much. Imho that goes a long way towards explaining why sales are so tepid. And yet Airlines from Asia and Europe have ordered the plane too. As for sales, it is quite clear that the 77W replacement time frame is not ye...

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by waly777
Sun Jan 20, 2019 2:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B777-9 future prospects?
Replies: 350
Views: 52219

Re: B777-9 future prospects?

I'll bet if Boeing had it to do over, they would have done the new midsized airplane first. The action is in the middle of the market. I would bet against this based on Emirates alone. Boeing had a pretty stark choice: build a 777 with competitive seat-mile costs to the A350-1000, or watch Airbus s...

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by waly777
Sat Jan 19, 2019 11:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: KLM Starts 787-10 on AMS-SFO Route. But I thought the 787-10 Had No Range?
Replies: 134
Views: 34901

Re: KLM Starts 787-10 on AMS-SFO Route. But I thought the 787-10 Had No Range?

Strato2 wrote:
ElroyJetson wrote:
Again, my speculation is the 787-10 has a big CASM advantage, but actual trip cost I am not certain.


Balancing this will be a RASM disadvantage for the 787-10.

Why would it be a RASM disadvantage if it's matched to routes suited to it's capacity?

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by waly777
Thu Jan 17, 2019 9:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates A380 to Amman.
Replies: 24
Views: 4822

Re: Emirates A380 to Amman.

London and Paris as popular connections for Jordanians via Dubai?! I’d understand if there were no flights between Amman and Europe, but flying some 2-3 hours in the wrong direction (only to almost fly over Jordan again) is just ridiculous. If the price is right people will fly more hours. Plus, Em...

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by waly777
Thu Jan 17, 2019 8:36 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A citizens’ group fed up with the noise from flights in and out of YUL are stepping up their legal battle
Replies: 54
Views: 5548

Re: A citizens’ group fed up with the noise from flights in and out of YUL are stepping up their legal battle

That line of thinking argues, in effect, that businesses have a right to pollute. Weren't they given that right when they built the airport and rented the gates? Any business does some level of pollution; that level is usually capped by law. When your PAX traffic increases 70+% in 12 years (such as...

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