md11sdf wrote:The A340-500 was such an incredible leap, capability wise, over the -300, it still baffels me that it was such a terrible seller for Airbus.
BOAC never ordered the Tristar; BEA did, and was among the early customers, IIRC, along with Court Airlines. Suprised not to see any of these logos. BEA had a demo plane along with Eastern!
Jump to postThis livery has been around for about 20 years now, practically unchanged (just minor tweaks). While not dramatic, the new livery adds some fresh air, more blue and perhaps a better font!
Jump to postReputation as 'fuel guzzler'.... These are the headlines accompanying the A340. I have always been wondering: what are the fuel consumption numbers (trip and per seat) for the A 340 (the -300 and -600 versions) in comparison to the 777 (-2 & 3) the A330 (-3) and perhaps most importantly, the 747...
Jump to postIf I were Airbus, I would offer the A220 at 100% list price. Zero discount. Just for the gigs they are doing with the 737MAX. And that's exactly why you're not working at Airbus. Because I'm fairly sure there has been no order in modern aviation history that was made at list price I was hoping that...
Jump to postIf I were Airbus, I would offer the A220 at 100% list price. Zero discount. Just for the gigs they are doing with the 737MAX.
Jump to postThe 777-300ER has enjoyed a near monopoly for what it was. No longer, though.
Jump to postOlympic intended to serve Iran, but never materialized. This was in the mid-90's.
Jump to post<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/rutankrd" class="quote" target="_blank">rutankrd</a> (<a href="#17" class="quote">Reply 17</a>):<br/><i>Yes Caravelle Tu104 and Concorde.</i></f...
Jump to post<table border="0" align="CENTER" width="95%" class="quote"><tr><td><font size="2" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva" color="#9A9DA0">Quoting <a href="/profile/MD80" class="quote" target="_blank">MD80</a> (<a href="#10" class="quote">Reply 10</a>):<br/><i>Olympic Airways – Boeing 727-200 only</i></font>...
Jump to postAegean has been thinking (and acting) 'outside' the old-OA box in many ways, not just vis-a-vis the cabin product itself. The (much-despised and often ...ridiculed by the old-OA fanatics) Star Alliance membership, the professional attitude, and most importantly, the less dependence on <acronym title...
Jump to postThis is not a rumor, is the stark truth. Olympic Air's current network can barely support a couple of 150-seaters, and makes no sense for such a small fleet to maintain. The Airbus 320-family fleet has shrunk from a 16 max to barely a few currently. Uncorrelated to what happens with the proposed 'me...
Jump to postI wouldn't call 'paper airplane' an airplane that is months away from first flight!
Jump to postThe list is really long. If we consider that in the early 80's the real choices were coming from just one side of the Atlantic. For short-haul one could choose between the <acronym title="Air Madagascar">MD</acronym>-80s and the 737's, and for long-haul the 747/767 and the DC-10/L1011. Nowadays a si...
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Jump to postAll three leases are due to expire on March, provided, of course that the entity is still 'alive'.
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Jump to postLeast but not the last. I recall a few years ago, when Boeing was trying to sell the 73G in France, employing the fact that the added value of a CFM-56 powered 73G, along with all other accessories (e.g. landing gear, avionics, etc) has a larger % of French value compared to a V2500-powered, German-...
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Jump to postIF Olympic gets privatised, that is, a very big <acronym title="Great China Airlines and Italy First">IF</acronym>, then the biggest problem is streamlining the narrow-body fleet. Currently it is almost a mess, with 7 owned another 10 leased (from different original configurations 734), three 717s a...
Jump to postWell, if they DID NOT do that, then we would have BIG tabloids screaming "I was planespotting in Athens and Nobody checked me!" - remember the Brit who jumped into the Athens Olympic Stadium few months before it was completed and had his 'accomplishment' made headline??? The real question is: Did th...
Jump to postYou can't tell cabin humidity by it's size. Major factors affecting cabin humidity is, among others, the cabin pressure, filter condition, rate of air recucling, etc. There has been a trent lately to reduce cabin pressure, as it becomes more of an issue at higher altitudes, where the outside atmosph...
Jump to postIt is indeed interesting that two SkyTeam US are entering virtually the same market. I'd expect a <acronym title="Berlin - Tegel (TXL / EDDT), Germany">TXL</acronym>-<acronym title="Newark - Liberty International (EWR / KEWR), USA - New Jersey">EWR</acronym> by <acronym title="Continental Airlines (...
Jump to postPerhaps it was sold 'as is, where is' and was ferried to the US by the buyer. It is still interesting why it is to be scrapped, though.
Anybody?
George
Back to the original topic, indeed in the early 70's <acronym title="Olympic Airways (Greece)">OA</acronym> was actually flying to five continents, with <acronym title="New York - John F. Kennedy International (Idlewild) (JFK / KJFK), USA - New York">JFK</acronym> & YYL in the America(s), <acronym t...
Jump to postIf there is a will, there is a way. I don't think that a privatisation that has to be made will not materialize because of short-term 'political cost' calculations. Severe illness is only cured with proper medicine, not headache removers. So, unions, accounting books, all these are obstacles in fron...
Jump to postLet's face the facts: 30-years state management has not run a SINGLE year with operating profit. Cummulative losses can be compared in size with the cost of building the new <acronym title="OLD: Athens (- Hellinikon) (ATH / LGAT) (closed), Greece AND CURRENT: Athens - Eleftherios Venizelos (Spata) (...
Jump to postWell, February is not exactly peak time for travel in Greece. The airport is brand-new, and you never built such a piece of infrastructure to fit current needs, because sooner rather than later, you're going to need another one. The old <acronym title="OLD: Athens (- Hellinikon) (ATH / LGAT) (closed...
Jump to postOne of our favorite flights ever was between Sao's Congonhas Airport (<acronym title="Sao Paulo - Congonhas (CGH / SBSP), Brazil">CGH</acronym>) to Rio's Santos Dumont (<acronym title="Rio de Janeiro - Santos Dumont (SDU / SBRJ), Brazil">SDU</acronym>), with the majestic view of Pao de Asucar. Flyin...
Jump to postLet us not forget that the current A388 has been design with a stretch in mind. Unlike other A- products that were optimised for the size launched, and thus the stretches needed major work, the A388 is already a 'shrink' of the A389, for which the landing system, wings, etc would fit with minimal if...
Jump to post<i>I think Olympic should have gotten Boeing 777's or Boeing 747-400's. I heard they were going to get the 747-400 but was forced to get the a340. Anyone have any comments or information?</i> ...Forced to get the A340? Where these magic forces 'been sleeping when <acronym title="Olympic Airways (Gre...
Jump to postWhich weights are we comparing?
MTOW
A330-200 233t
A330-300 233t
A350-800 242t
A350-900 242t
I've been reffering to MTOW, although I believe that we should have been comparing OEWs.
OEW
A330-200 121.5t
A330-300 124.3t
A350-800 119.2t
A350-900 122.3t
To me the 350-8 and 350-9 are designed as follows: A350-8: a 332 with a lot more range, more than the 346 and just a bit less than the 345 (up from 12,500 to 15,900Km vs 16,700Km for the 345!). All this with just 8t more weight, and same fuel capacity, an indication that this craft is more economic....
Jump to postFirsô, they are NOT to purchase new aircraft (and not aircraftS). They'd lease some, up to 12 <acronym title="Sterling European Airlines (Denmark)">NB</acronym>'s to cover for the expiring leases of 3 717, 1 A306 and possibly some 737's (not sure how many leases are soon to expire, but out of the 17...
Jump to postAhem, ahem.
Can we translate this argument when we compare B737NG famlily vs A320 family?
No, they did not. The 764 wing has wingtip extensions on the very same wing that lifts all other members of the 767 family. Sure, they add a bit to lift capacity, but optimum cruising speed is mainly a factor of wing sweep angle, which, of course, is the very same in all 767s. So, "Why- why- why did...
Jump to postThe historic terminal "A", in use by <acronym title="Northwest Airlines (USA)">NW</acronym>, Co, etc is in full use. Though not as modern or efficient as the "B" and "C" terminals (practically one building, in use by <acronym title="Delta Air Lines (USA)">DL</acronym>, US, <acronym title="United Air...
Jump to postFirst, just to add a piece of news here, <acronym title="Aeroejecutivo SA de CV (Mexico)">SX</acronym>-DFC did the OA4118, charter flight to the US, carrying the <acronym title="Tropic Air (Belize)">PM</acronym> on his official visit. Indeed, after the 'reorganization' forming <acronym title="Olympi...
Jump to postATH (37°52'56"N 23°44'05"E) <acronym title="Johannesburg - International (Jan Smuts) (JNB / FAJS), South Africa">JNB</acronym> (26°08'21"S 28°14'46"E) 4413 mi yes, currently <acronym title="Olympic Airways (Greece)">OA</acronym> is using their A306 on this route, mainly due to limited availability o...
Jump to postCheck out http://195.167.49.247/arroacrit.aspx Real time arrivals/departures. First sight shows that there must be at least a 320 leased and another 733. Very, very low utilization rate for the A306 and 340s. Lots of cancelled/consolidated flights to various destinations. The confrontation with the...
Jump to postTo help you understand, Wingman: Today's Deliveries = Yesterday's orders that never got cancelled Tomorrows Deliveries = Today's orders that will not get cancelled. Now, in the past, no question, Boeing was King. Outnumbered Airbus by far in the orders field. Today, however, Airbus has surpassed Boe...
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- Who came up with the $21 Billion for 10 year lease on 100 tankers figure?
- What are the other (realistic) alternatives? Would the C-17 do the job?
- How about the 757/777 etc?
- Was there ever an open RFP from competing aiframes (namely, the A332?)
just asking...
Wunderk, <i> OA340: Very interesting list! Thanks! A few queries/suggestions: 1. Do you think Royal Air Maroc belongs to the list? They are using 763s. 2. Delta used A310s until the early 1990s for North Atlantic. Many (not sure if all) originally from Pan Am. 3. I don't recall <acronym title="Cypru...
Jump to postBack in the late 80's the A310-300 and the 767-200 were the first twins to break the long tradition. Back then, PanAm (A300 & A310), <acronym title="Swissair">SR</acronym> (A310), <acronym title="Sabena (Belgium)">SN</acronym> (A310), TAP (A310), <acronym title="Austrian Airlines">OS</acronym> (310)...
Jump to post<i>Can anyone provide Airbuses numbers so we can compare? Which is doing better?</i> Comparison: total Boeing Backlog: 1075 aircraft (just added up from the first posting) total Airbus Backlog: 1522 aircraft (not including the recent Le Bourget orders). Source http://www.airbus.com/dynamic/media/ind...
Jump to postOLYMPIC!! since 1958 the same classic scheme. original <br><table align=center border=0 width=500><tr><td><center><font color="#EEEEEE" size="1" face="ARIAL, Helvetica, Geneva"><a href="/open.file/227329/L/" target="_blank">View Large</a> <a href="/open.file/227329/M/" target="_blank">View Medium<b...
Jump to postwell, rather over-reacting here. Even today, in a large # of airports (<acronym title="London - Heathrow (LHR / EGLL), United Kingdom">LHR</acronym>, <acronym title="Los Angeles - International (LAX / KLAX), USA - California">LAX</acronym>, <acronym title="Singapore - Changi (SIN / WSSS), Singapore"...
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