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by dtw2hyd
Wed Aug 11, 2021 12:01 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

I want younger kids vaccinated. While we need to test down in age, we need to age 3 (preschool) ASAP. Until then orotect grandma, get vaccinated. The hospitals are filling up faster than I predicted up thread. Lightsaber Why vaccinate the younger kids iso the adults? Real issue in some parts of the...

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by dtw2hyd
Mon Aug 09, 2021 9:31 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... cases.html


It is called Electoral Autocracy. Everyone chips in cooking the numbers to look good.
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Dieuwer wrote:
Any idea what is going on in India? Vaccinations stand at 8.1%, but cases and deaths are very low. Hard to believe.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/202 ... cases.html


It is called Electoral Autocracy. Everyone chips in cooking the numbers to look good.

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by dtw2hyd
Mon Aug 09, 2021 8:05 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Is a speeding ticket for going 8 MPH over harsh?
Replies: 101
Views: 5600

Re: Is a speeding ticket for going 8 MPH over harsh?

...She said I have the option to pay $30 extra (for a grand total of $263) at which point I will be put on probation for 30 days and then after that the ticket gets dismissed and I don't get any points on my driving record. I'm assuming this means my insurance won't be affected either? Pay the $263...

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by dtw2hyd
Mon Aug 09, 2021 1:43 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Non Aviation Thread - Q3 2021
Replies: 308
Views: 17166

Re: COVID-19 Non Aviation Thread - Q2 2021

What is deeply disturbing is how much the Delta variant has taken over in the US. https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2021/08/delta-variant-update-93-of-covid-cases-in-us-are-from-the-strain.html Why is it deeply disturbing? Delta is the flavor of the moment and is what is causing the current wave sweep...

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by dtw2hyd
Mon Aug 09, 2021 1:12 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Death of a smoke detector
Replies: 22
Views: 1615

Re: Death of a smoke detector

Also recommend it’s hard wired into the homes electrical system, no more replacing batteries And linked to your alarm system if installed, the fire department will respond Careful with that, some municipalities are now charging for false alarm runs, especially police departments. That’s correct My ...

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by dtw2hyd
Mon Aug 09, 2021 12:35 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Non Aviation Thread - Q3 2021
Replies: 308
Views: 17166

Re: COVID-19 Non Aviation Thread - Q3 2021

https://www.tokyo-np.co.jp/article/122723 IOC President Bach conclude the Olympic's coronavirus prevention neasure as effective and successful, claiming there're only 404 infected among people related to Olympic and a positive test rate of 0.02%, although the case rate in Tokyo have increased from ...

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by dtw2hyd
Sat Aug 07, 2021 11:48 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

The #1 job of the CDC is numbers. I find fault with them, but so far their numbers are believable. Annecdotal is > 90% in the hospital is unvacvinated. Sorry, but vaccines work. Do the responsible thing and get vaccinated. Lightsaber While I feel good that only unvaccinated are ending up in hospita...

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by dtw2hyd
Sat Aug 07, 2021 11:00 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Death of a smoke detector
Replies: 22
Views: 1615

Re: Death of a smoke detector

Most cities now require smoke detectors with 10 year non-replaceable battery. That is if you don't have hardwired alarms. Hardwired interconnected alarms are still required in new construction, but typically most cities 10-year battery laws only apply to battery-only alarms, even though there are h...

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by dtw2hyd
Sat Aug 07, 2021 5:48 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Death of a smoke detector
Replies: 22
Views: 1615

Re: Death of a smoke detector

Most cities now require smoke detectors with 10 year non-replaceable battery.

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by dtw2hyd
Sat Aug 07, 2021 5:37 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

Me first, damn others culture is everywhere. Intentionally or unintentionally government is also promoting this culture. Initially government/HCWs/TV pundits said "masks protect others", which lead to why should "I" wear mask to protect "others". White House collaborate...

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by dtw2hyd
Fri Aug 06, 2021 3:56 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: United mandates vaccines for employees
Replies: 63
Views: 5609

Re: United mandates vaccines for employees

If I am reading this correctly, it sounds like they are technically scheduling it for when they expect FDA approval to have been received, but not providing much if any time at that point to get inoculated. Assuming vaccine will be fully licensed by the FDA first week of September, gives seven week...

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by dtw2hyd
Fri Aug 06, 2021 2:27 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: Biden Tells Texas and Florida to Get Out of the Way on COVID-19

Don't politicians have other things to do other than imposing and lifting same mandates every other week?

Imagine the added peer pressure on kids who want to keep masks in schools with all this political tantrum outside the school.

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by dtw2hyd
Thu Aug 05, 2021 4:38 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

- Most anti-vaccination are also anti mitigation so they are going to drop the mask at their earliest point. So they aren't going to take precautions regardless. Some people take the risk and thank god for them because if we were all scared of our own shadows all the time we wouldn't have all this ...

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by dtw2hyd
Thu Aug 05, 2021 10:39 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

For sneezing being a symptom, isn't it a characteristic of Delta, instead of characteristic of vaccinated individuals? Delta has different clinical presentation in vaccinated population. Original symptoms are missing in Delta infected vaccinated population, particularly fever. CDC(and WHO) haven't ...

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by dtw2hyd
Thu Aug 05, 2021 12:46 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

I think US can manage both third boost and COVAX . We still haven't used initial 400 Million doses, another we have contracts for 200 Million more. I personally thought both Prizer and Moderna would release booster shots targeting variants. I don't know the scientific and production complications in...

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by dtw2hyd
Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Call to cancel DPA with Boeing on 737MAX Crashes
Replies: 145
Views: 16385

Re: Call to cancel DPA with Boeing on 737MAX Crashes

We are given requirements and need to code within those requirements. Just because we write code does not mean software engineers sometimes question the requirements or the design. MCAS is a failure at level but that is not a valid excuse. If there is a code to pitch down 2.5?? degrees indefinitely...

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by dtw2hyd
Wed Aug 04, 2021 3:32 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Non Aviation Thread - Q3 2021
Replies: 308
Views: 17166

Re: COVID-19 Non Aviation Thread - Q2 2021

lightsaber wrote:
I plan to go out onto a barely used beach and avoid indoor dining.

Lightsaber


We go in the morning and pack up around noon as the beach starts to get crowded. Eat in the car. Not optimal but works out a OK.

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by dtw2hyd
Wed Aug 04, 2021 11:27 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

In my opinion, the CDC’s stance of no-masks was dictated by a desire to reduce vaccine hesitancy which is so significant that it makes the entire vaccination program obsolete. The message was also that vaccinated individuals would no longer need to wear masks, but unvaccinated still should. I mysel...

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by dtw2hyd
Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:15 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Students Lose Vaccination Case Against Indiana University Mandate - Federal Appeals Court Affirms Public Health Interest
Replies: 29
Views: 1384

Re: Students Lose Vaccination Case Against Indiana University Mandate - Federal Appeals Court Affirms Public Health Inte

Insurance information is collected and I believe some got billed. I haven't checked my EOB site. Every drug administered by a state board licensed medical professional at a registered medical facility in the USA has some FDA authorization. Do please verify that statement before you stand firm on it...

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by dtw2hyd
Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:48 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Students Lose Vaccination Case Against Indiana University Mandate - Federal Appeals Court Affirms Public Health Interest
Replies: 29
Views: 1384

Re: Students Lose Vaccination Case Against Indiana University Mandate - Federal Appeals Court Affirms Public Health Inte

This has nothing to do with insurance companies covering unlicensed drugs. The vaccines are free to all Americans regardless of insurance status. Insurance isn't "covering" anything with the COVID shots. The various vaccination sites may bill a person's insurance, but they are under no ob...

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by dtw2hyd
Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:20 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: Students Lose Vaccination Case Against Indiana University Mandate - Federal Appeals Court Affirms Public Health Interest
Replies: 29
Views: 1384

Re: Students Lose Vaccination Case Against Indiana University Mandate - Federal Appeals Court Affirms Public Health Inte

Sooner SCOTUS rules on this the better. My interest is whether insurance companies covering unlicensed drugs, this sets a precedence, they cannot deny other drugs. There are hundreds of other life-saving drugs insurance companies doesn't cover right now claiming they are not FDA licensed.

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by dtw2hyd
Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:45 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

In my opinion, the CDC’s stance of no-masks was dictated by a desire to reduce vaccine hesitancy which is so significant that it makes the entire vaccination program obsolete. The message was also that vaccinated individuals would no longer need to wear masks, but unvaccinated still should. I mysel...

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by dtw2hyd
Tue Aug 03, 2021 10:32 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

All health agencies (and governments) rely on meta analysis, especially in federal systems where healthcare is a delegated power. CDC, like PHAC, PHE etc studied international, domestic (state level, province level, municipal studies) and took action. Would you rather they replicate them to re-prov...

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by dtw2hyd
Tue Aug 03, 2021 1:26 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

Delta is a different virus altogether. If some folk can’t or won’t understand that, or get confused by “but they said this first, then that” and conclude with “why should we believe them?”, then that’s their prerogative, and fault, not the CDC’s for not dumbing down it enough. Individual responsibi...

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by dtw2hyd
Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:39 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

Like lightsaber said upthread, how many times CDC changed mask guidance? At every CDC somersault, TV pundits come out with an excuse. Myself and waterbomber2 have been saying since the beginning of this pandemic, don't trust CDC, TV pundits and some HCWs, just wear masks. First, CDC is a bunch of h...

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by dtw2hyd
Mon Aug 02, 2021 3:33 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

Your district implemented STATE requirements. Not CDC requirements The article is from June. If you want to blame the CDC, you need to go to your local district , then the state and ask why they aren't following the CDC"s updated guidelines. They have a death wish? Blaming the CDC for the slug...

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by dtw2hyd
Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:45 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

Post your link, and let's see if you Governor has updated their guidance to fall into the new CDC guidance which recommends mask wearing in schools. Do not blame the CDC for the weak leaders you have chosen. I don't see merit in that argument. On 7/21 there were only 6 Michigan counties above moder...

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by dtw2hyd
Mon Aug 02, 2021 2:16 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

This isn't a CDC issue, and i wish folks would quit passing on that fake news., I have my state Governor's press release and School District's e-mail quoting CDC for no-mask rule. Are you saying those are fake news? Most officials blindly follow the easiest excuse, it is an old Soviet model but wor...

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by dtw2hyd
Mon Aug 02, 2021 12:55 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

This isn't a CDC issue, and i wish folks would quit passing on that fake news., I have my state Governor's press release and School District's e-mail quoting CDC for no-mask rule. Are you saying those are fake news? Most officials blindly follow the easiest excuse, it is an old Soviet model but wor...

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by dtw2hyd
Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:10 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

I say voluntarily unvaccinated as kids under 12 cannot be vaccinated. My 12+ child has been fully vaccinated for a while. My younger child cannot be vaccinated. Lightsaber I think under 12 are getting the short-end of the stick in this political game. Both politicians and many parents are ignoring ...

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by dtw2hyd
Sun Aug 01, 2021 12:27 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

Most of the vaccinations administered before June 2020. If CDC/FDA doesn't act quickly on booster shots only 10-20% population will have immunity in few months. The article do mention 74% breakthrough infections are among elderly, the group which got priority in getting vaccinated in the US. Is age...

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by dtw2hyd
Sun Aug 01, 2021 11:04 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

Interesting new release https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/31/health/fully-vaccinated-people-breakthrough-hospitalization-death/index.html Highlights. 1. Less than .001% of those that are fully vaccinated have died from Covid. As of July 26. of 163,000,000 vaccinated adults in the US, there have been 1,26...

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by dtw2hyd
Sun Aug 01, 2021 1:20 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

Every single new variant is more virulent, attacks more cells, creates more severe disease, and has quicker onset of symptoms. Not really, there were 4,000 sequenced mutations before Alpha became a variant. I didn't lookup latest count. One infected person replicates billions, and spreads. Copying ...

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by dtw2hyd
Sat Jul 31, 2021 7:28 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

I say voluntarily unvaccinated as kids under 12 cannot be vaccinated. My 12+ child has been fully vaccinated for a while. My younger child cannot be vaccinated. Lightsaber I think under 12 are getting the short-end of the stick in this political game. Both politicians and many parents are ignoring ...

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by dtw2hyd
Sat Jul 31, 2021 10:54 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

... The whole caveat with Delta is that until the last month it has been shown that Delta is easily transmitted by vaccinated folks since it has a much higher viral load. So one again, stop blaming the CDC for the fact that they have to do the science on a virus and deal with the fallout of liars a...

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by dtw2hyd
Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:38 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

What is your point? You are politicizing science and investigation. the CDC is not. They are looking into the science as it becomes available. B.1.617.2 did not spread to the US until late in the game, and to this date, people that have been vaccinated are not winding up in the hospital or dead in ...

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by dtw2hyd
Fri Jul 30, 2021 5:00 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

Quit with the news from weeks ago. https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/30/health/new-cdc-mask-guidance-variant-wellness/index.html The virus has changed and the guidance will change. Not sure why you have such a hangup on the science and the CDC. Delta killed Millions of Indians in March. CDC lifted mask m...

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by dtw2hyd
Fri Jul 30, 2021 4:18 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

CDC is based on science, but you have to remember, that the US has laws on privacy, and also an arena where politicians are allowed to undermine facts for political gain throughout the US. So blaming it all on the CDC is ignoring what actually occurred around them and their attempts to get the viru...

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by dtw2hyd
Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:48 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

The CDC can not set one path and stay on it, when the Virus they are chasing is evolving. That is science. . There is no science, just politics. What CDC did is exactly opposite of science. The carnage in India, efficacy & breakthrough data from Israel, elaborate collection and analysis of data...

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by dtw2hyd
Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:58 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

The CDC can not set one path and stay on it, when the Virus they are chasing is evolving. That is science. . There is no science, just politics. What CDC did is exactly opposite of science. The carnage in India, efficacy & breakthrough data from Israel, elaborate collection and analysis of data...

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by dtw2hyd
Fri Jul 30, 2021 11:36 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

Both anti-vaxxers and CDC are not helping controlling this pandemic.

Anti-vaxxers don't believe in vaccines and CDC with its sloppy guidance doesn't give vaccine a chance to work.

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by dtw2hyd
Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:32 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

CDC did another flip-flop, indoor masks for counties with substantial risk of transmission? https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/27/health/cdc-mask-guidance-vaccinated-people-bn/index.html Michigan has 83 counties, only 6 sparsely populated counties are at or above substantial level of transmission. We are g...

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by dtw2hyd
Tue Jul 27, 2021 1:38 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

Keeping a reservoir of 20 millions kids for the virus isn't a great idea either. 48 Million under 12 here in the USA(14% of total population). This season they are actively mingling with vaccinated/unvaccinated adults/kids and traveling quite a bit. Here is my estimates (appreciate if someone can c...

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by dtw2hyd
Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Used Delta Aircraft Purchase A359/737-900ER
Replies: 846
Views: 221187

Re: Rumor: Used Delta Aircraft Order

I am just skeptical given concerns over Indonesian airlines. Concerns about Indonesian airlines may be justified, but the issues have not generally been with newer planes (737s or A320s). I'm very confident Delta wouldn't touch them unless they were 100% confident. The fact they're leased by Lion r...

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by dtw2hyd
Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:03 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

... I do hope others who are hesitant see situation like this and think again about taking the vaccine. Not because I care whether they live or die or have long term health problems from covid (their choice, live -or die - with the consequence of that choice) but because they are then much more lik...

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by dtw2hyd
Fri Jul 23, 2021 1:30 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

The data out of Israel is discouraging. The vaccines are losing effectiveness it appears. We will need booster shots soon or need to lockdown and make masks mandatory everywhere again. At least in the U.S. I am surprised we not seeing lockdowns and more restrictions with the spread among the unvacc...

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by dtw2hyd
Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:50 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

Well bad news https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/coronavirus/1626980447-vaccine-39-effective-at-halting-virus-transmission-91-against-serious-illness-israel-s-health-ministry-says Israel say Pfizer shots is now only 39% efficient against Delta. But good news is it's still 91% efficient in offering prot...

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by dtw2hyd
Fri Jul 23, 2021 12:28 am
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

During CDC briefing this morning, with Walenski and Fauci in attendance, they stood behind existing mask guidance. Vaccinated = you do not need to wear a mask. That has always been a weird meeting, Walenski just reads the prepared notes, Fauci says one thing on TV and different thing in this briefi...

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by dtw2hyd
Thu Jul 22, 2021 5:05 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/07/21/delta-covid-variant-fauci-says-vaccinated-people-might-want-to-consider-wearing-masks-indoors-.html Fauci says vaccinated people ‘might want to consider’ wearing masks indoors as delta variant surges in U.S. Fauci told CNBC that U.S. officials are concerned that they...

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by dtw2hyd
Wed Jul 21, 2021 6:08 pm
Forum: Non-Aviation
Topic: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 3012
Views: 207722

Re: COVID-19 Vaccine News and Discussion Thread

Ignoring the other two for a moment, I can understand the young, in the initial phases of the pandemic with the initial two variants, the young and health were not getting gravely ill when infected, so we had a number of calls for the economies to be reopened since the majority of the work force we...

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