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by TW870
Sat Jul 20, 2019 9:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Can DL Pacific gateway in SEA work?
Replies: 44
Views: 5099

Re: Can DL Pacific gateway in SEA work?

I think Delta's interest in Seattle primarily about the economic geography of the U.S. Capital is flowing toward major metropolitan areas, especially those with strong technology and financial economies. There has been immense growth in high paying jobs, and Delta saw a great opportunity to get in o...

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by TW870
Sat Jul 20, 2019 12:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A220 dispatch reliablility?
Replies: 40
Views: 6351

Re: A220 dispatch reliablility?

I’m gonna push back on that description a little bit. The information about my flight — 1658 on the 16th, if anyone cares — came directly from the FO. First flight started with a 1 hour delay (from having looked it up) and it lost more time through the day, and the FO mentioned two instances where ...

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by TW870
Thu Jul 18, 2019 10:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: A220 dispatch reliablility?
Replies: 40
Views: 6351

Re: A220 dispatch reliablility?

If DL indeed has some issues, what's the difference with Swiss or Air Baltic? Is DL's operation more demanding? That's what's strange. If what Swiss/Air Baltic is reporting is truly that good, I don't know why that wouldn't translate to other carriers. But that is the whole problem with this thread...

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by TW870
Sat Jul 13, 2019 2:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MSP Aviation History Thread
Replies: 6
Views: 630

Re: MSP Aviation History Thread

There are a good number of people on here who are interested in Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport and the airplanes and airlines that have served it. I thought we could use a thread to consolidate sources, discussion, and information. Let's focus on the period before 1990 (roughly), and ke...

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by TW870
Fri Jul 12, 2019 11:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MSP Aviation History Thread
Replies: 6
Views: 630

MSP Aviation History Thread

There are a good number of people on here who are interested in Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport and the airplanes and airlines that have served it. I thought we could use a thread to consolidate sources, discussion, and information. Let's focus on the period before 1990 (roughly), and kee...

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by TW870
Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video
Replies: 36
Views: 4142

Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Thanks and happy to share, but 'Tylenol scheme'...this my 1st time hearing that. It's a perfect description. Yeah, the tylenol TWA 747 interrupting the star of the vid was a neat surprise. My first thought was Airplane! “Oh, it's a big pretty white plane with red stripes, curtains in the windows an...

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by TW870
Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video
Replies: 36
Views: 4142

Re: Airliners Past: A Braniff Boeing 747 video

Such a great video, and thank you so much for posting! Excellent Braniff variety, with the ex-LH in the modified 747 ultra orange, a 727-100 in two-tone green, and a terra cotta ultra 727-200. The JT9D idling sound is forever recognizable, and reminds me of being a kid at MSP watching NW birds taixi...

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by TW870
Wed Jul 10, 2019 7:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019
Replies: 729
Views: 143225

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

cessna2 wrote:
Looks like SEA-PVG on the A330NEO is starting tomorrow. About five days early.


I saw that! I can't believe that no one has done a cabin reveal on this, considering the reconfigured A330 will be the most common international ride for the next 20 years at DL. Has anyone seen anything?

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by TW870
Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019
Replies: 166
Views: 20056

Re: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2019

Hey All- It's approximately 2330 local on July 9th, and they're landing runway 17 tonight - and have been doing so for at least a half an hour. All landings and departures are on 17. Winds don't appear to be a factor. Are they doing night runway repairs on the parallels? Or is this some new night no...

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by TW870
Tue Jul 09, 2019 8:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL A321 Seats Blocking Exit Door
Replies: 64
Views: 12711

Re: DL A321 Seats Blocking Exit Door

What are you talking about ?! I've flown dozens of 757s, and the vast majority have boarded at 2L, and there has been bulkheads / galleys / closets forward of 2L/R, and seats AFT of the doors. Only legs encroach on the space. DL, UA, Avianca, Jet2.... Maybe you misunderstood what the OP was trying ...

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by TW870
Tue Jul 09, 2019 3:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL A321 Seats Blocking Exit Door
Replies: 64
Views: 12711

Re: DL A321 Seats Blocking Exit Door

Last night I was traveling on a DL A321, and noticed that at door 2L and 2R the seats in the row in front of the exit (I believe row 12) were partially blocking the door. The back of the seat came to approximately the window of the exit door, roughly covering 1/3 of the door and exit. How is this l...

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by TW870
Mon Jul 08, 2019 10:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DL A321 Seats Blocking Exit Door
Replies: 64
Views: 12711

Re: DL A321 Seats Blocking Exit Door

This is a good question, and one I have posed on here before. I think we have learned through the 737MAX crisis that the self-regulation system that intensified in the U.S. in the mid-2000s can have unintended consequences, as the manufacturers have too much leeway letting financial considerations d...

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by TW870
Mon Jul 08, 2019 4:34 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019
Replies: 729
Views: 143225

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Anyone know why today's DL583 is an A332!? Is it going to be weight restricted!? Probably just a few seats blocked. The A330-200 has some legs even at 230/233t Wow that's 600nm further than SEA-HKG which the 332 did for a while. I suppose the generally lighter summer winds help in this case. Anyone...

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by TW870
Mon Jul 08, 2019 3:33 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta adds JFK - IAH
Replies: 36
Views: 7296

Re: Delta adds JFK - IAH

Interesting that the JFK originating flights leave before most of the European flights arrive. That makes this a straight up fight against B6 then. I'm surprised they'd want to add this. More NY passengers on domestic travel would want the flights to/from LGA, not from JFK. Other than the summer se...

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by TW870
Sun Jul 07, 2019 9:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 7/7/2019: AA Adds AVL-LGA;B6;DL Adds IAH-JFK,Winter SLC-LHR
Replies: 44
Views: 9138

Re: OAG Changes 7/7/2019: AA Adds AVL-LGA;B6;DL Adds IAH-JFK,Winter SLC-LHR

One B6 and 2x DL on JFK-IAH aren't going to represent too much capacity on NYC-Houston. Looking at an October Monday there's 10x UA and 1X NK. It may be more competition than UA wants on a hub-to-hub pair but that can mean more selling opportunities xxx-EWR-IAH and xxx-IAH-EWR. Overally, it is quit...

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by TW870
Wed Jul 03, 2019 3:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience
Replies: 156
Views: 20801

Re: Delta improves intl Main Cabin experience

The cost savings for this service is in labor. Flight kitchen workers are organizing in a big campaign with the UNITE union across the country, and overwork and short staffing are key issues. Doing this service bistro style (or a la carte as NWA used to call it) saves kitchen labor, as the tray and ...

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by TW870
Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DCA to close for July 4th Celebration
Replies: 116
Views: 13438

Re: DCA to close for July 4th Celebration

Just looking at the DL schedule as an example, they only have 1 departure that I see that is going to be impacted, the 1905 to ATL. The last bank to most other places on the 5th leaves around 1700. The 1905 is still showing on time. My guess is they're going to board it up, push back, and wait just ...

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by TW870
Fri Jun 28, 2019 11:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta to open new LGA Concourse G in Fall
Replies: 46
Views: 8018

Re: Delta to open new LGA Concourse G in Fall

Does anyone know the next steps with construction? Once Concourse G opens, will they close part or all of Terminal C or Terminal D? To me, the major improvement here is in terms of vertical space in the buildings. It is going to feel much brighter and more airy in all of these spaces. When Delta re-...

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by TW870
Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:31 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019
Replies: 729
Views: 143225

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

It seems that a lot of 359s have suffered tech related cancellations since entering service. Monitoring this thread it seems as if a 359 flight is cancelled aat least several times a week. Are these teething issues? Without starting an A v. B war, can anyone provide further credible info on DLs 359...

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by TW870
Fri Jun 28, 2019 4:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019
Replies: 729
Views: 143225

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

I would just like to figure out how to avoid the non-modified LR's. I guess I can check FR24 and call the Diamond Line several days out. This is the 777 route allocation by type for S19. The hot spare is a 77L (non-mod) so that's where you're most likely to see any unscheduled swap for both 7CB/7CD...

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by TW870
Thu Jun 27, 2019 4:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019
Replies: 402
Views: 74173

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n115du


Yep, and 8116 enters Friday the 28th: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n116du

Note that this inaugurates A220 service at MSP, with two daily DFW trips.
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n515cr wrote:
8115 should enter service tomorrow: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n115du


Yep, and 8116 enters Friday the 28th: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n116du

Note that this inaugurates A220 service at MSP, with two daily DFW trips.

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by TW870
Tue Jun 25, 2019 4:36 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019
Replies: 729
Views: 143225

Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2019

Delta announced that as of March 1 2019 ATL-NRT-ATL would be flown with the 777 that had been converted over to the D1 suites. These suites are quite nice and if you are in row A or D there is more room than the A350 suites. I fly ATL-NRT-SIN-NRT-ATL monthy and I have noticed that this month quite ...

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by TW870
Mon Jun 24, 2019 9:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lockheed pitched five ‘white tail’ L-1011-500s to TWA
Replies: 35
Views: 11209

Re: Lockheed pitched five ‘white tail’ L-1011-500s to TWA

Well said, TW870. Another HUGE advantage NW had that enabled them to make money with 747s and DC-10s, besides their Asia route system, was that they had by far the lowest costs of any US airline. In the 1970s, when Northwest president Donald Nyrop made presentations on Wall Street, he would show tw...

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by TW870
Sun Jun 23, 2019 4:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Lockheed pitched five ‘white tail’ L-1011-500s to TWA
Replies: 35
Views: 11209

Re: Lockheed pitched five ‘white tail’ L-1011-500s to TWA

I wonder if the history of TWA might have been different had they ordered the-500 while still in production. It wouldn't have completely replaced the 747 (range issues) but would have been a much better fit for TWA's long haul network. One gripe I remember hearing from TWA exec's as early as the la...

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by TW870
Fri Jun 21, 2019 4:15 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta A220 in Chicago 6/19/19
Replies: 49
Views: 7320

Re: Delta A220 in Chicago Today

But on the other hand, UA has 787's and many a.netters think that DL is missing the boat on that front. Will UA do a victory 787 stroll through ATL? Not even remotely the same. Most Americans fly domestically. UA is very weak domestically compared to DL/AA and even WN. They need to do some serious ...

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by TW870
Thu Jun 20, 2019 11:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATED: Delta announces JFK-BOM
Replies: 1003
Views: 144098

Re: UPDATED: Delta announces JFK-BOM

Per AirlineRoute.net frequency reduced to 5x weekly https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/284971/delta-1h20-mumbai-frequency-variations/ Will it even start? UA just cancelled. Way too early to tell. UA is suspending for immediate operational safety reasons given that the drone shootdown...

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by TW870
Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:12 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 747 Classic B Variants
Replies: 41
Views: 4677

Re: 747 Classic B Variants

There were not many -100Bs built. In fact the only ones I can think of were RB211-powered for Saudia. It was in fact slightly more common than just SV. 2631653,5307573,2426659 8 Saudia 3 JAL (JT9) 1 Iran Air (JT9) Anyone know what specifically gave it the -100B designation? Would it just have been ...

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by TW870
Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 747 Classic B Variants
Replies: 41
Views: 4677

Re: 747 Classic B Variants

blacksoviet wrote:
So does the 747-200B have more range than the 747-100B?


Yes. There were not many -100Bs built. In fact the only ones I can think of were RB211-powered for Saudia. The -200B ended up going all the way to 830,000 lbs MGTOW in the later days, and many of those were built.

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by TW870
Sun Jun 16, 2019 10:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: passenger hits flight attendant, then pukes during Delta flight from IND to CDG
Replies: 100
Views: 13016

Re: passenger hits flight attendant, then pukes during Delta flight from IND to CDG

This thread is so depressing. Everyone is so busy lobbing insults that no one has actually posted a decent theory for why they had the 12-hour delay in Detroit. Also, as the link the OP posted says, the guy is from Carmel. That is the wealthiest suburb of Indianapolis. Community median income is $11...

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by TW870
Fri Jun 14, 2019 5:26 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 747 Classic B Variants
Replies: 41
Views: 4677

Re: 747 Classic B Variants

747B was a designation first used in the late-1960s to market increase gross weight versions of the 747. There were to be passenger 747Bs, Convertible freighters, and pure freighter 747Bs. No airplane ever flew designated as a 747B.. Au contraire, mon frere. The first 747-200B aircraft, line number...

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by TW870
Thu Jun 13, 2019 10:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 747 Classic B Variants
Replies: 41
Views: 4677

Re: 747 Classic B Variants

747B was a designation first used in the late-1960s to market increase gross weight versions of the 747. There were to be passenger 747Bs, Convertible freighters, and pure freighter 747Bs. Here is a 2-page magazine ad for the convertible and freighter versions of the 747B for sale on EBay from 1969:...

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by TW870
Thu Jun 13, 2019 3:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Is DL under serving JFK/SFO business?
Replies: 51
Views: 6822

Re: Is DL under serving JFK/SFO business?

I'm a DL flyer and going to SFO for a business trip in October. To my surprise, all business class on direct flights between JFK - SFO are sold out on DL. I even looked into 3Q/4Q of this year, 90% of the flights have their business cabins sold out. DL flies 757 with 16 D1 seats Meanwhile, AA has p...

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by TW870
Mon Jun 10, 2019 12:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Texas Air 1981 Purchase of Continental
Replies: 17
Views: 1854

Re: Texas Air 1981 Purchase of Continental

Lorenzo saw earlier on and more clearly than others that a primary consequence of deregulation would be to undermine the pay, benefits, work rules, and living standards of workers at the established carriers - because it would subject them to upstart competition from new carriers whose legacy costs ...

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by TW870
Sun Jun 09, 2019 7:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 6/9/2019:AC PSP-YYC Out;AS PAE-PSP Add;DL JFK-KEF Cut;NK EWR-RSW/TPA Add,MCO-PTY Out;SY LAS-LAX/PHX Add
Replies: 66
Views: 10980

Re: OAG Changes 6/9/2019:AC PSP-YYC Out;AS PAE-PSP Add;DL JFK-KEF Cut;NK EWR-RSW/TPA Add,MCO-PTY Out;SY LAS-LAX/PHX Add

Can someone explain to me what DL is doing with MAD? No strategy change with Madrid in recent times. ATL and JFK have year round service, but that service is 5 times a week in the off season. This year they kept the 764 on both Madrid flights for the high season. It sometimes used to see the A330-3...

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by TW870
Thu Jun 06, 2019 4:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta MD-88s as of Summer 2019
Replies: 64
Views: 6456

Re: Delta MD-88s as of Summer 2019

Yeah I am surprised MSP lacks the T-tails now other than the 717's (and the CRJ's if you want to count them). I've been seeing a lot more A319/A320/A321's out of MSP instead. A319 and A320, it's normal because those all come from Northwest and MSP was Northwest's main hub, with DTW. So it is not su...

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by TW870
Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta A220 route additions
Replies: 266
Views: 10241

Re: Delta A220 route additions

How is the reliability working out on the A220? Both my flight to SLC from DFW last Thursday and return on Monday were changed to a 737-800 and A319 respectively. I've flown the A220 twice before and so these swaps made me disappointed to say the least. The outbound was so delayed that DL bought us...

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by TW870
Wed Jun 05, 2019 4:38 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta MD-88s as of Summer 2019
Replies: 64
Views: 6456

Re: Delta MD-88s as of Summer 2019

Because of the MD consolidation in ATL, some stations really haven't felt any impact yet. DAY, for example, has been all -88 since DL started trying to simplify the number of fleets that visit particular stations, and has not seen any reduction in -88 flying even as the fleet has declined from 116 t...

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by TW870
Tue Jun 04, 2019 10:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta A220 route additions
Replies: 266
Views: 10241

Re: Delta A220 route additions

I know it's not JFK or LGA but I am flying DTW-EWR on the A220 tomorrow evening. Does that plane then RON at EWR and then go EWR-BOS? Nope. The A220 is only on the ground for about 8 hours at EWR, and then turns as Delta 2752 back to Detroit at 6am. Pilots cover all three airports in New York. So t...

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by TW870
Sat Jun 01, 2019 7:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta A220 route additions
Replies: 266
Views: 10241

Re: Delta A220 route additions

[url][/url] I'm more surprised that the A220 hasn't been deployed on more routes out of LGA/JFK that has an extensive portfolio of long, thin large RJ routes like LGA-STL/OMA/MCI. I thought they planned to use cities like those to route aircraft between east and west coast hubs? Even with 11 aircraf...

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by TW870
Mon May 13, 2019 2:43 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DTW-LAN. Why?
Replies: 69
Views: 7448

Re: DTW-LAN. Why?????

From a frequent flyer's perspective, there are two primary reasons to fly a routing like LAN-DTW-LAX versus drive to DTW for DTW-LAX. First, smaller airports such as LAN usually have cheap, convenient parking. You can go from the car to the gate quickly and pay less than 10 bucks a day, often withou...

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by TW870
Sun May 12, 2019 4:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: At DL flying is a family affair
Replies: 58
Views: 6820

Re: At DL flying is a family affair

This thread makes me want to unplug the whole internet and go back to ordering airplane books out of catalogs. But the OP's video is very compelling. Congrats to this crew, and so happy for them to be flying TATL out of JFK this summer once the second daughter transitions to the 7ER. And excellent w...

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by TW870
Sun May 12, 2019 3:35 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OAG Changes 5/12/2019:AA New Routes;AS Cuts SNA-PVR/SJD;DL Adds BOS-MIA/PUJ/SRQ,LAX-OMA;G4;HU Delays CTU-ORD;OZ Cuts ORD
Replies: 71
Views: 13283

Re: OAG Changes 5/12/2019:AA New Routes;AS Cuts SNA-PVR/SJD;DL Adds BOS-MIA/PUJ/SRQ,LAX-OMA;G4;HU Delays CTU-ORD;OZ Cuts

Thanks enilria! DL is really increasing capacity from BOS to Florida. B6 prints money in these markets. Things are sure getting interesting... I thought the same thing. And my how times change. Northeast to Florida was one of those markets on which the airlines printed money prior to deregulation o...

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by TW870
Mon May 06, 2019 2:18 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: A much needed debate on carry on luggage.
Replies: 127
Views: 8813

Re: A much needed debate on carry on luggage.

You'd need data on whether or not people would spend longer trying to open it up before they give up than it would take to just get their luggage out, and it'd be interesting to see how the engineers would go about gathering that data. I cannot imagine the locked bins working, as the confusion over...

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by TW870
Mon May 06, 2019 1:37 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: A much needed debate on carry on luggage.
Replies: 127
Views: 8813

Re: A much needed debate on carry on luggage.

Aeroflot 1492 shows how important this issue is. You had an aggressive fire, two exits blocked, and presumably everyone alive on touchdown. 90 seconds later, half the people were dead. There are two issues here. The first is the carry-on problem which has clearly aroused many ideas and emotions in t...

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by TW870
Mon May 06, 2019 2:25 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead
Replies: 816
Views: 139817

Re: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead

If you watch that 10 second video of the landing, you can see that the second impact was extremely hard, and happened at a nose-up deck angle. That impact was an extremely hard tail strike. What we can't see the immediate effect of the impact on the aft fuselage. Once the landing gear breached the w...

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by TW870
Thu May 02, 2019 11:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Why hasn´t Delta expanded since the 747´s retirement?
Replies: 52
Views: 8075

Re: Why hasn´t Delta expanded since the 747´s retirement?

Asia - both East and South - has been very, very saturated with low-cost capacity over the timeframe since Delta parked the 747s. Market liberalization in Asia is much newer than it is in the U.S. The NW 744s were king of the fleet before the 1997 Japan bilateral revision, and before the boom in cap...

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by TW870
Thu May 02, 2019 2:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Did United ever have scheduled 777 service to Kai Tak
Replies: 13
Views: 2867

Re: Did United ever have scheduled 777 service to Kai Tak

I can recall being on a crew van in about 1999 when I was a United flight attendant, and a pilot we were riding with who was on the 777 fleet at the time told us that 777 crews were, for the first time ever, getting all the approaches and other navigational documents for United's Asia stations. We a...

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by TW870
Thu May 02, 2019 3:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019
Replies: 402
Views: 74173

Re: Delta Aircraft Refurbishment Thread - 2019

Without being able to easily search the archives, what was the reason for the change in the A321 configuration from 192->189->191. From what I can tell is the only significant difference at the L3/R3 exit row 26? The first ones were delivered with 192 seats, then the last row of seats on the right ...

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by TW870
Wed May 01, 2019 3:17 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UPDATED: Delta announces JFK-BOM
Replies: 1003
Views: 144098

Re: UPDATED: Delta announces JFK-BOM

I'm curious how they will rotate the airplane. With the all day sit, they could easily fit an Atlanta turn in to rotate off of JNB and PVG. Or they could rearrange the 777 Europe flying to fit in a AMS/CDG-JFK trip to rotate onto BOM. That would be a lot of block hours, though, and might require dro...

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by TW870
Tue Apr 30, 2019 2:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta 321neo routes
Replies: 63
Views: 12936

Re: Delta 321neo routes

Given the number of ships on order, I think you will see the 321N all over the place. Yes, you will see it on some routes particularly well suited to its enhanced range and reduced fuel burn - such as West Coast to Hawaii. But many things govern deployment of aircraft, especially scheduling efficien...

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