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by TW870
Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021
Replies: 634
Views: 113987

Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL216
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Anyone know why the 763 operating DL216 JFK-DSS turned around tonight? They were in the air for almost three hours. Looks like they have another airplane and are going to transfer all the passengers and bags and go.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL216

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by TW870
Sun Apr 18, 2021 2:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Network Thread - 2021
Replies: 532
Views: 49497

Re: Delta Network Thread - 2021

Interesting they’re still not bringing back some of the mid-cons out of SEA. Would’ve figured June would be when they’d resume. Maybe they will come back in July? If not... maybe not until 2022 if they don’t see the business demand returning. SEA demand falls dramatically come fall Edit: scratch th...

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by TW870
Sun Apr 11, 2021 4:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021
Replies: 634
Views: 113987

Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

It's a little bit of both. On the pilot side, everything is great except for the 737 and A320 categories. The most understaffed fleet of all is the A220. The fleet parking is for lack of crews, so add that to the list. Add some spot categories as well (ATL 7ER B). Right. My point is that DL has alr...

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by TW870
Mon Apr 05, 2021 3:53 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: [email protected]
Replies: 20
Views: 2906

Re: [email protected]

A 1985 schedule shows three flights at TOL. A 727-200 to CLE and 727-100 and -200 service to STL. Looks like the CLE flight turned back to TOL and overnighted there. Page 7 in the Skyliner: http://digital.shsmo.org/digital/collection/twa/id/8230 (lots of unusual L1011 flights in that schedule) It l...

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by TW870
Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:02 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: A/C type behaviour in turbulence
Replies: 26
Views: 3581

Re: A/C type behaviour in turbulence

Flight attendants also have a keen perspective on turbulence, which is interesting to contrast with pilots. When flight attendants work, they are working in multiple places related to the center of gravity - forward of it, on it, and behind it. Therefore, they really get to feel how different parts ...

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by TW870
Mon Mar 29, 2021 7:20 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Airlines that don't require their crews to overnight
Replies: 21
Views: 2462

Re: Airlines that don't require their crews to overnight

I’d rather be home everyday than spend time away in hotels . . .Day trips all day every day... Not for me; I do not like day trips! (well, once in a while is ok). In my case, it is about a 45 - 60 minute drive to the airport from my home, and I don't want to do that frequently. (Yes, I know, many p...

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by TW870
Sun Mar 21, 2021 3:05 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Why not wider runways?
Replies: 31
Views: 4318

Re: Why not wider runways?

Is the cost to expand the runways more expensive than the cost of losing an aircraft? The simple answer there is yes... A way to think about it is that demand for aviation rises with real estate costs. Some of the most expensive real estate in the world is in places that also have huge airports and...

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by TW870
Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"
Replies: 52
Views: 7651

Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Could they do digital in 1992 when they were shooting that? I guess they must have used digital editing for the fuselage. But it is still striking to me that they would think to cover up the organ pipe suppressors - as if they audience would have been like, "wait, is that a JT3C-6 powered bird...

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by TW870
Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"
Replies: 52
Views: 7651

Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

I’ll bet that that plane didn’t even have engines on it. The fuselage livery is obviously digital and the engines probably are too. Note the #1 engine turbo-compressor (EDIT: these planes had #1 turbo compressors) Could they do digital in 1992 when they were shooting that? I guess they must have us...

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by TW870
Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"
Replies: 52
Views: 7651

Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Trailer clip, aircraft appears at 6 sec mark. Frezze frame https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8piqd2BWeGI Nice find - the 707 exploding is at about 2:08. Bizarrely it looks like the took the organ pipe suppressors off the engines put KC-135A exhausts on the engines. Trying to figure out why they would...

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by TW870
Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"
Replies: 52
Views: 7651

Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

I have never heard a non-fan 707 take off, and there aren't any videos around with real sound that I have seen. I had always hoped that it was one of these birds that would fly again. Your best bet would be to search for newsreels on YouTube (there are tons from Pathe) that show the first jet servi...

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by TW870
Tue Mar 16, 2021 3:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"
Replies: 52
Views: 7651

Re: 707 in 1994 movie "Speed"

Yes, the USAF bought many used 707s in the 1980s/1990s to source spares for the KC135 program. There must have been plenty of frames available. The USAF would not have bought this one, it was a non-fan -131 (ex TWA). The Air Force used the vertical fins, fan engines and pylons to upgrade the J57 po...

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by TW870
Tue Mar 09, 2021 3:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: US Airline Booking Trends during COVID-19
Replies: 1649
Views: 213785

Re: US Airline Booking Trends during COVID-19

Never thought I'd say it, but the pandemic is making me miss days like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlppnZOHB5M&ab_channel=VASAviation Best post of this thread! I couldn't agree more. One of the things I miss most during the pandemic is listening to Kennedy tower when they're down to o...

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by TW870
Sat Mar 06, 2021 7:41 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta MEC Letter
Replies: 47
Views: 7951

Re: Delta MEC Letter

At the end of the day, Delta and airlines must be competitive in the marketplace with white-collar jobs that are incredibly transferable across industries. Airlines for a long time already have had difficulty competing for the best and brightest which has only gotten worse during this COVID downtur...

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by TW870
Sat Mar 06, 2021 5:25 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta MEC Letter
Replies: 47
Views: 7951

Re: Delta MEC Letter

At the end of the day, Delta and airlines must be competitive in the marketplace with white-collar jobs that are incredibly transferable across industries. Airlines for a long time already have had difficulty competing for the best and brightest which has only gotten worse during this COVID downtur...

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by TW870
Tue Mar 02, 2021 11:15 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Minneapolis Aviation Thread - 2021
Replies: 111
Views: 1675

Re: Why isn't MSP a busier airport (in normal times)?

MSP isn't a larger hub because what I would call the floating connecting hub model stopped working in the 1990s. After deregulation, some airlines established large hubs that relied primarily on connecting traffic and that were able to take advantage of economies of scale and a large aircraft gauge....

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by TW870
Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Northwest Royal Imperial service, fancy TPAC/TATL dining in 1980s?
Replies: 10
Views: 1549

Re: Northwest Royal Imperial service, fancy TPAC/TATL dining in 1980s?

Also - was the Electra the only airplane that ever had the Regal Imperial Eagle on the tail? The Electras only had it for a while in the late-50s and early-60s, but it shows how committed they were to that brand in all parts of the operation including domestic, as the Electra never flew to Asia.

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by TW870
Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:52 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Northwest Royal Imperial service, fancy TPAC/TATL dining in 1980s?
Replies: 10
Views: 1549

Re: Northwest Royal Imperial service, fancy TPAC/TATL dining in 1980s?

I flew in F on a 747-100 on MSP-HNL in 1990. The seats were still exactly the same as those shown in the videos above, and still had Regal Imperial logos on them. I believe the Regal Imperial Service references were gone - or at least just about to be gone - as, obviously, imperialism was no longer ...

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by TW870
Sun Feb 14, 2021 6:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: DHL 757 has main cargo door open in flight
Replies: 32
Views: 19036

Re: DHL 757 has main cargo door open in flight

Isn’t this what happened to that UA 747? An electrical malfunction led the door to open and blown off? The major difference in accident sequence is that the UA 747 was climbing through 22,000 when the cargo door blew open. During a high-speed, high-altitude climb, the structural trauma to the airfr...

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by TW870
Wed Feb 10, 2021 10:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: PANYNJ curtailing, delaying and possibly canceling JFK Redevelopment
Replies: 106
Views: 23098

Re: PA curtailing, delaying and possibly canceling JFK Redevelopment

With money this cheap they have got to find a way to make this project go. Like others have said, money and construction will get more expensive in a recovery. The other thing to think about is that infrastructure is probably the only place we might see bipartisan coalition in Washington. For the Tr...

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by TW870
Sat Feb 06, 2021 10:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Wild Day at JAC
Replies: 37
Views: 6345

Re: Wild Day at JAC

Of course it is better to divert than crash the plane. I just think a double diversion indicates they probably should have been more conservative on the 2nd attempt. To the contrary, the diversions indicate they were appropriately conservative on both attempts IMO. An accident or incident on the la...

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by TW870
Mon Jan 25, 2021 3:13 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 30 Years Ago Today: Eastern Air Lines Ceases Operations
Replies: 103
Views: 10698

Re: 30 Years Ago Today: Eastern Air Lines Ceases Operations

that's bull. Watch the battle for Eastern video. The IAM, and Bryan, were doing their job. I'm going to take a wild guess that you wouldn't happily vote for huge pay cuts (IIRC over 50%) or vote for your job to be outsourced right? Why do you expect the IAM to do so? Lorenzo and Borman killed Easte...

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by TW870
Sun Jan 24, 2021 6:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 30 Years Ago Today: Eastern Air Lines Ceases Operations
Replies: 103
Views: 10698

Re: 30 Years Ago Today: Eastern Air Lines Ceases Operations

ATL had been a EA hub for years, going back into the ‘50s. Pax count was mostly neck and neck between EA and DL. DL had A and half of B concourse, EA had the other half of B and C concourse. EA even had a dedicated tunnel between B and C. You make a good point in that Eastern had the foundation of ...

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by TW870
Sat Jan 23, 2021 10:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 30 Years Ago Today: Eastern Air Lines Ceases Operations
Replies: 103
Views: 10698

Re: 30 Years Ago Today: Eastern Air Lines Ceases Operations

Eastern made of ATL a major hub. It was their second largest hub, first was MIA. But didn't they also build a mini hub in MCI to help build up more connections towards the West? That was their mid-con hub, although not a major hub. Yep, that is all correct. They basically tried to make Atlanta (and...

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by TW870
Sat Jan 23, 2021 5:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: 30 Years Ago Today: Eastern Air Lines Ceases Operations
Replies: 103
Views: 10698

Re: 30 Years Ago Today: Eastern Air Lines Ceases Operations

Interesting take. I think Rickenbacker has a mixed legacy in the annuals of air transport history. While lauded (and rightfully so) for his veritable single-handed guidance of EA from its formative years, EA was viewed in a rather utilitarian prism with regard to the passenger experience. Comprised...

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by TW870
Mon Jan 18, 2021 2:32 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NW/PA and DL/PA London interchange routes.
Replies: 58
Views: 5200

Re: NW/PA and DL/PA London interchange routes.

The first question is why did Pan Am not just serve MSP and ATL directly. The answer is very simple: in pre-deregulation times, PA did not have domestic traffic rights, as it was an international-only airline. I think the question may have been why Pan Am didn't fly MSP-LHR and ATL-LHR (non-stop), ...

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by TW870
Sun Jan 17, 2021 9:53 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NW/PA and DL/PA London interchange routes.
Replies: 58
Views: 5200

Re: NW/PA and DL/PA London interchange routes.

I lived in Detroit through all the 60's/70's and half way through the 80's and I was an aviation geek from an early age. I never recall PA equipment operating between MSP and DTW. It had to have been NW equipment used on that interchange. Later after deregulation for a short period of time, The DTW...

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by TW870
Sun Jan 17, 2021 8:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NW/PA and DL/PA London interchange routes.
Replies: 58
Views: 5200

Re: NW/PA and DL/PA London interchange routes.

The L-1011 was not a thru flight to LHR from DTW. Flight 554 operated MSP-DTW-JFK and then terminated there. For a time Pan Am operated the L-1011 on the IND-DTW-JFK route. So that's why you only see BA operating the DTW-LHR flight. In 1986 Pan Am opened up direct flights to LHR again operating fli...

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by TW870
Sun Jan 17, 2021 5:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NW/PA and DL/PA London interchange routes.
Replies: 58
Views: 5200

Re: NW/PA and DL/PA London interchange routes.

Great topic and it got me interested in PA's MSP service. As a kid, I took quite a few pictures of Pan Am's L-1011-500s at MSP. It would have been in the 1982-1984 time window. The airplane came in from DTW at 9:15pm, overnighted, and then departed as PA 554 to DTW around 11:00am. Here is what the o...

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by TW870
Fri Jan 15, 2021 9:47 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021
Replies: 634
Views: 113987

Re: Delta Fleet Thread - 2021

Yep..... 2021 long-haul isn't going to be materially better than 2020 for most of the year. Peak summer TATL isn't happen For a while I thought we might see some peak summer 2021 recovery. But with the various mutations that are appearing (the South African, British, and Brazilian strains, for exam...

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by TW870
Tue Jan 05, 2021 8:00 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Big 4 to Big 3 in the USA
Replies: 43
Views: 5075

Re: Big 4 to Big 3 in the USA

You didn't post the article, but I found it. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-airlines-breakingv-idUKKBN2991JV It is all speculation at this point provided the government doesn't give them more money or travel doesn't pick up, the author states as such. Especially since the las...

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by TW870
Sat Jan 02, 2021 4:50 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Top 5 most missed Airlines ?
Replies: 108
Views: 7261

Re: Top 5 most missed Airlines ?

Air Afrique BMI Monarch Sabena Swissair I'm surprised there haven't been more Air Afrique votes! Iconic color scheme, and a cool symbol of West African decolonization and independence. They had a hugely varied fleet, from heavy piston types to widebodies, and had a very strong safety record (the on...

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by TW870
Sat Jan 02, 2021 12:16 am
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: Top 5 most missed Airlines ?
Replies: 108
Views: 7261

Re: Top 5 most missed Airlines ?

I'd say in terms of overall brand strength and impact on the part of the industry where they operated, I would say:

1. Pan Am
2. TWA
3. VARIG
4. Braniff
5. Air Afrique

Honorable mentions: Sabena, Ecuatoriana

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by TW870
Fri Jan 01, 2021 5:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: US Airline Booking Trends during COVID-19
Replies: 1649
Views: 213785

Re: US Airline Booking Trends during COVID-19

I think the big wild card is the North Atlantic summer '21 high season. With a reasonably effective vaccine roll out, I think there is a chance that you might see at least some of the typical summer rush between Canada/the US and Europe. There is good money in those markets for the airlines, and I t...

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by TW870
Sat Dec 26, 2020 9:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Northwest 707-320 series - 3 different configurations?
Replies: 31
Views: 4878

Re: Northwest 707-320 series - 3 different configurations?

Also just some follow-up on where these airplanes went. As other posters said, the -351B combis left the fleet pretty early, and went to Cathay Pacific in 1971. And as people also noted above, the arrival of many widebodies made narrow bodies with cargo doors less necessary, as the heavies could car...

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by TW870
Sat Dec 26, 2020 6:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Northwest 707-320 series - 3 different configurations?
Replies: 31
Views: 4878

Re: Northwest 707-320 series - 3 different configurations?

I love this thread. So much good info! The one question I still have is how they flew two different configurations - on F/Y and one Y - during the year or so that they only had five 707s, all of which were 707-351B(SCD)s. See my post above for the schedule links. My guess is that on HNL-SEA and ANC-...

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by TW870
Sat Dec 26, 2020 4:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Uh, oh...looks like Delta's schedule is burning up again
Replies: 92
Views: 18133

Re: Uh, oh...looks like Delta's schedule is burning up again

There is very little reason for DL to be short-staffed when they haven't furloughed any pilots and you have qualified ones sitting at home getting paid. Displacements or not, there should be plenty of crew and aircraft to go around given the drastically reduced frequencies over last year. Re-traini...

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by TW870
Fri Dec 25, 2020 6:23 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Northwest 707-320 series - 3 different configurations?
Replies: 31
Views: 4878

Re: Northwest 707-320 series - 3 different configurations?

A little digging on the Northwest Airlines History Center found this - it was listed as showing the cabin of a 720B, but it seems to be consistent with the odd ball -351B forward layout? https://i1.wp.com/northwestairlineshistory.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/08/NWA_720B_interior_1961_publicity_NWAHC...

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by TW870
Thu Dec 24, 2020 8:04 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Northwest 707-320 series - 3 different configurations?
Replies: 31
Views: 4878

Re: Northwest 707-320 series - 3 different configurations?

On most of the combi versions, the freight was carried in the forward left half of the A and B zone and the passenger seats were laid out on the right side of the A and B zone. I cannot recall how many first class seats were in this zone, but there weren’t many. As I recall the girls had a small ga...

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by TW870
Thu Dec 24, 2020 4:06 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Northwest 707-320 series - 3 different configurations?
Replies: 31
Views: 4878

Re: Northwest 707-320 series - 3 different configurations?

This is a real stumper. The five original 707-351B (SCD) aircraft replaced the DC-8s on the transpacific operation starting in the summer of 1963. As you can see in the link below, they operated in an F/Y configuration. I recall hearing that the first class passengers sat on the starboard side of th...

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by TW870
Thu Dec 24, 2020 2:21 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MSP Blizzard Dec 23, 2020
Replies: 12
Views: 2886

Re: MSP Blizzard Dec 23, 2020

Interestingly on the DL operations, of the Mexico trips that were headed in for a 1830ish arrival, SJD and CUN made it in with about 30 minutes of holding. PVR diverted to Detroit! Most impressive arrival is an Atlas 747-400 from SDF. I'm guessing they were pretty heavy for landing giving that it is...

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by TW870
Wed Dec 23, 2020 11:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Fish carried by Air Cargo
Replies: 51
Views: 6888

Re: Fish carried by Air Cargo

Fresh fish is a big and lucrative air cargo business. I think the Alaska salmon market is particularly interesting. During the salmon harvest in the summer, a lot of old aircraft that are large but that can land on gravel air strips haul salmon from outlying airports back to FAI and ANC where it can...

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by TW870
Wed Dec 23, 2020 10:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: MSP Blizzard Dec 23, 2020
Replies: 12
Views: 2886

Re: MSP Blizzard Dec 23, 2020

Looks like Delta pulled the plug about 1630. The last outbound looks to be the 767-300ER to AMS, and other than that, a 739 for MCO pushed at 1630 and is awaiting takeoff. On the arrivals side, an A321 from DEN landed at 1546, and that was the last one. The only exceptions are the Mexico turns - PVR...

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by TW870
Mon Dec 21, 2020 9:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020
Replies: 724
Views: 99228

Re: Delta Narrow Body Thread - 2020

Last week actual; Wed 12/16 A221 SLC-SBD 8103 N103DU 9960 (ferry to storage) Wed 12/16 A221 SLC-SBD 8128 N128DU 9961 (ferry to storage) Wed 12/16 A221 SLC-SBD 8122 N122DU 9962 (ferry to storage) PSU.DTW.SCE, thank you as always for keeping us up to date! As far as these A221s go, are these getting ...

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by TW870
Mon Dec 21, 2020 12:40 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Possible COVID Exposure On LAX-Bound Flight After Passenger Dies
Replies: 60
Views: 9646

Re: Possible COVID Exposure On LAX-Bound Flight After Passenger Dies

For the people outraged that the flight wasn't terminated in MSY and the a/c, crew and passengers immediately quarantined... What, exactly, is the solution there? Who's paying for the 11 day hotel stay for all the pax? At that point, the exposure (albeit minimal) has occurred. Just finish the fligh...

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by TW870
Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Early Jet Age NWA Transpacific Schedules
Replies: 4
Views: 2158

Re: Early Jet Age NWA Transpacific Schedules

Could curfews in TYO have been an issue? I wondered that, but that wouldn't explain why on several days, the outbound from Tokyo left at 1030 or 1100. There was no outbound earlier than 0800. Usually if you are waiting for curfew to lift you can go out at 0600. Northwest always had 5th freedom righ...

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by TW870
Sat Dec 12, 2020 8:05 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Early Jet Age NWA Transpacific Schedules
Replies: 4
Views: 2158

Early Jet Age NWA Transpacific Schedules

Just looking through some old Northwest timetables, and came across a scheduling issue that I cannot understand. In the early 1960s, Northwest had a very long, nearly 12-hour connection on transpacific flights in Tokyo. This was true both when these were combination DC-8-32/DC-7C trips, and when the...

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by TW870
Fri Dec 11, 2020 1:59 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: California Desert Airports
Replies: 16
Views: 3682

Re: California Desert Airports

Don't forget Cochise Airlines, that in addition to other routes flew PHX-YUM-IPL-LAX and PHX-BLH-LAX in the late-1970s and early-1980s. According to wikipedia - and in this case its probably right because a real airline fan must have made the Cochise entry - the CV440 operated route through Imperial...

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by TW870
Wed Dec 09, 2020 8:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Northwest DC-7C Crashes in the Early-1960s
Replies: 15
Views: 3783

Re: Northwest DC-7C Crashes in the Early-1960s

This accident is weird. Maybe pitot tube ice or unreliable airspeed caused disorientation of the pilots. Excellent hypothesis. The fact that the airplane was inverted and intact on impact indicates some kind of spatial issues, and not just a mechanical problem such as the engine failures and runawa...

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by TW870
Wed Dec 02, 2020 4:44 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Northwest DC-7C Crashes in the Early-1960s
Replies: 15
Views: 3783

Re: Northwest DC-7C Crashes in the Early-1960s

On NW001, Okinawa to Manila I can provide some additional color from an NWA Pilot Retirees magazine. The flight conducted an emergency decent with a magnesium fire due the runaway prop and super charger issues, The fire extinguishers worked originally but the fire started again leaving the crew lit...

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