+AF ... and even Air Inter, wearing a tiny sticker on the nose section. There is a picture out there in the www but not in a.net's database (IIRC thou shalt not post pics from other databases :shakehead: ) N204AE was like an easy girl but may not be the best example ... it flew for quite some time ...
Jump to postWhilst there are some business travel and conference that would be replaced by zoom and video conferencing forever, most in similar time zones. There are others that involves different time zones, for examples, us in the far east vs meetings to be held in East Coast US, would you prefer either side ...
Jump to postThe service will connect Central CBD with Kwun Tong CBD and TKO residential area? I shall beleive it when i shall see it. we are talking about a 2-3 mns flight. And Where can you really operate safely a seaplance in those area? It will be passenger carrying drones although I question whether they c...
Jump to postHas anyone here heard of flight shaming? Politics will kill massive tourism, which is what drives VLAs. Business travel, while profitable doesn’t require a VLA, but it’s numbers alone, except on very few routes. If anything we’ve reached peak airliner and will retreat to 787-A350 types for the next...
Jump to postThe days of the 400 are rapidly coming to an end. China doesn’t want them in the country anymore and I am sure Japan and Korea will follow soon. Source please ? Taiwan had a 26 years old limit on airliners, Korea, a voluntary agreement to phase out aircraft older than 20 years old (but OZ have lots...
Jump to postThis jet has been ''unemployed' twice (first time around 2011 with silver bullet c/s then 2017 after serving Air Hong Kong LD, then back to CX on all white c/s but still manage to come back, its sistership HUR (from SA too) and colleague with LD both now scrapped. Real shame none of those ex BA woul...
Jump to postAs in new A330's or used ones ? Maybe ex-SQ or CX frames ? Either way, good to see expansion. T'Way have probably seen what Jinair do with their 772's and want a slice of the action. Maybe ex-SQ ones direct from lessor, the one CX get rid of are not young (HL series were delivered before 2006), the...
Jump to postWas the 74M flight a CI/KLM codeshare? I am very confident CI never operated a Combi. Was it KLM metal? Very unlikely. First, look at the times. Second, KL op'ed two r/ts KL889/881 AMS-VIE-DXB-BKK-TPE-vv 880/882 marked 74M, too. (The late flight from JFK was KL644 dep 2105 #.) But what about B-1864...
Jump to postHow about shrimps? There was a regular flight GG4854/53 on former N908AR (later on N903AR when the first one overshoot a runway at Halifax and was written off) that was carrying atlantic shrimps from Canada to China. Route was CSX-ANC-ORD-YHZ-ANC-CSX, it ended in spring this year but only YHZ-ANC-C...
Jump to postADL hated the A333 that servcied it pre-Covid, especially once other markets in Australia were getting A359 and A35K. From Oct 2019, SYD was seeing 14x773, 6x359 and 1x333 per week. Although it was a Saturday servcie, I'd expect people avoided the A333. . Pretty sure pre-Covid CX serves SYD 28x wee...
Jump to postKL is also under pressure to cut costs throughout the entire company in order to stay afloat. The last three 74E's are not exactly the most fuel efficient ones either. Behind the four KLM/MP dedicated freighters, these three 744combi's are the most fuel efficient (kg fuel/ kg payload) at long haul ...
Jump to postBut it fits with the fact that was mentioned up thread, that the DC-10-30 just was more versatile than any L1011 variant. It seems Lockheed really made an outsize competitive error by not engineering more room for growth into the L1011. I don't recall whether CX only had -1s or some -100s, however,...
Jump to postSounds like the MH MD11's lease was just a temporary solution until their 777's arrived. They were probably also used on shorter flights to Australia, Singapore and Hong Kong just to not have the airplanes sitting idle doing nothing between their long haul operations. Just my guess(?) A388 MH MD11 ...
Jump to postSome fantastic responses here. Very interesting! I'd forgotten about Airtours. Follow-up question -- anyone know why British Caledonian didn't buy Tristars, given they were powered by British-built Rolls-Royce engines? I'm going to go with range, but still surprising. I have BCal chairman Sir Adam ...
Jump to postI think the reason is the GE engine gung on those 747 worth more than the aircraft itself (for 767 F converisons) and ex JL are likely to be slightly order or with more cycles, BA's 744 are almost exclusively long haul, whilst JL also uses them regionally or even domestically, they are well maintain...
Jump to postworkhorse wrote:B-HOP wrote:In Chinese media, CI claimed the 744 pax 'loaned' some parts to the Freighter fleet, they have no need to fly just to keep crew current, they have a massive 747-400F fleet.
So the same crews fly -Fs and PAX?
Some general suggestions: 1) A330 needs a bigger tail because when it has one engine out it loses half its thrust thus has a lot more yaw, A340 loses only a quarter of its thrust 2) Shorter aircraft need more tail area because the fuselage is shorter so tail provides less torque to counteract yaw F...
Jump to postNice to see a new carrier entering Pakistan. I hope VS does well and smart to commenced ops from Lahore. Not meaning to hijack this thread but perhaps SQ and CX can resume from Karachi. TG not looking good with further restructuring. VFR demand is driving the introduction of these flights. The Paki...
Jump to postRemember DL had LAX-HKG, but with extra tanks and load was severely limited (around 200 pax)
Jump to postHeres the flight activity for CIs 4 744s from flightradar24 B18210- 6/15, 5/15, 4/23, last revenue flight 2/3 B18211 - 7/26, last rev 3/8 B18212 - 7/27, 6/28, 6/27, 6/27, 6/16, 5/31, 5/31,5/2 last rev 2/8 B18215 - 6/24, 5/27, 4/23, 3/19, last rev 3/15 Seems like they are trying to fly them once a m...
Jump to post747-200 fleet were either retired (CX, SQ, NZ, UA), I mean passenger fleet, AF, JL,LH, CX still uses their cargo fleet, for aviation partners, the questions is how many verison to worth to certify out of numerous MTOW/engine options and likely to be down to CF6-50,JT9D-7Q for -200 and RB211, JT9D-7R...
Jump to postMay I also ask, apart from KE, did anyone adopt designs that allows 742 to store luggage on carts on main door, like the middle config on page 28 on Boeing's material ? https://www.boeing.com/resources/boeingdotcom/commercial/airports/acaps/747_123sp.pdf, were the carts loaded by catering truck? I b...
Jump to postThere are several reasons: 1/Boeing wants you to buy new 747-400F from them, not approve modifications that could take away its own sale, though they did plan to use similar winglet on 2001 relaunch 747X Stretch, deliver several % fuel saving, but they didn't use them on 747-400ER sold to Qantas. 2/...
Jump to postOn a typical Jumbo with 3 class layout you would use only around half the volume. In the old days LD3 containers would be used to load bags and these would later be loaded in the rear hold. Later on when connecting times were cut it was essential to get the transfer bags (with connecting flights) o...
Jump to postCorsair's 747-400 cabin was modified in 2011 from a 582 seat configuration (24Y+ / 558Y) to a 536 seat configuration (36Y+ / 500Y). Seat capacity was further reduced in 2017 when they introduced a proper business class on a section of the upper deck. Those were refurbished NEV 4 business class seat...
Jump to postWasnt one of the reasons FX supposedly went with the 777F (as opposed to say 747) was to allow non stops from Asia for its express packages and also by not having a stop, allow later cut off times for drop off. Yes that is one reason, around 10 years ago when FX entered th HKG route, FX ran an adv ...
Jump to postBar a couple with small operators, most MD11F are now with FX, 5X, LH, Western Global. Western Global are more like a charter, on demand operation, hours outside peak seasons were not high. FX and 5X, their hours per day were not as high as passenger flights, cycles might be higher but that could be...
Jump to postThe AC flights shifted from LHR-BOM-SIN to YVR-LHR-DEL by 1996, on a 74E, that 74E was also deployed to HKG three times a week. SQ's SIN-SEL/ICN-YVR used 74D before 343 and 772ER. SQ's LAS route were to provide a link between HKG and LAS in the run up to Macau's gambling right being open up with gam...
Jump to postI imagine EK as MH's handling agent, see the flight plans on the MH flights and see how much payload restriction is under and decided to wait till A345 is available or so that was the rumour. KUL-ARN-EWR was done at one point, on a 744
Jump to postI don't know about cargo flights, but LAS passenger flights routed via HK 3 times a week Winter 2002, the route was chopped in SARS, flown by 772ER with Spacebed. ORD was routed via AMS, alternate on days they don't operate to EWR, that was before A345 non-stop, subsequently, the flight was focused ...
Jump to post747-500X and 600X was designed at the time when A3XX were still in the drawing board. It has many advanced feature include 777 wing, Fly By Wire etc, several briefing to operators were made, SQ/TG/MH/CX/BA/QF were interested but only TG signed, Asian economy started to slow in 1996, with debt being ...
Jump to postIn my opinion, China Airlines should keep its Chinese name, while change its English translation to a simplified CAL, or even ROCA (Republic of China Airlines). The reason for change name is the full name of China Airlines clashes with Air China. But its Chinese name is fine as Chinese speakers won...
Jump to postIt's true that for some of the EAT A300s, planespotters.net says: Airframe status - stored, but when you compare that to the list at https://sites.google.com/site/lhgroupfleet/others , these aircraft are actually at maintenance. The site even indicates that 4 A300s will be transferred from Air Hong...
Jump to postThere are a few things to be taken into consideration - The stretched DC-8s were only 10-15 years old when they were converted between 1982 and 1985. Combined with modern CFM56 engines it gave a stage III quiet aircraft with economics comparible to more modern types. For instance UPS which only nee...
Jump to postIt's been rumoured that among the remaining ex Southern 737s, N305GT and N306GT are going to MESA and N309GT are going to iAero to join N307GT and the couple of 800Fs they've recently received. That would leave Kalitta II with just N311GT which seems a bit odd. Or are KII getting more frames for DH...
Jump to postNORMAN FOSTER Farewell to the Boeing 747, the greatest building ever flown. Modern architecture could learn a lot from its beauty and endurance https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/farewell-to-the-boeing-747-the-greatest-building-ever-flown-b82gts6c5 If even architect icon Sir Norman Foster sheds a t...
Jump to postWhat about the 3 KL's Combis who fly almost daily to PVG? Do they take any passengers or are these flights freight only? KLM 744 Combi also operates AMS-HKG-(BKK for crew change due to recent increases in cases)-AMS five days a weeek but you can't book those flights, is for boxes only, it even park...
Jump to postMay I also tagged on this post and ask about the useful payload for DC10-30F, with range for about 8 hours, can it get up to 70,000kg?
Jump to postCX planned 3 343 with heavy J class seating around 180 pax for HKG-JFK non-stop, those trio were from SQ 9V-SJA-C, they dropped the plan after 911 when the planes were receiving the final touches in Germany and the trio joined the fleet with same config as others in the fleet, before that, CX done f...
Jump to postThey have tried this before, in the form of East African Airways, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_African_Airways, Jamaica/Barbados among-st a few smaller island are now sharing a flag carrier,I would say they would end up making one place their hub and then connect them for intercontinental market
Jump to postAre you sure they launched the original 747-400F ? It was built in 1995 and at the time AF still had some pretty recent 747-200F. According to this article, Boeing "had" Air France in mind but they never actually ordered 747-400F until the ERF. Planespotters show that one had AF customer ...
Jump to postDon't forget AF launched original 747-400F, I think the order was for three but that was cancelled and the first one passed on to Cargolux and the UPS (N580UP) at around 2009/10 in the run up to getting 8F. KLM also had CKD that from AF but that was returned to lessor and now fly for Air Bridge Carg...
Jump to postI remembered it was under their own number ITxxx, if I remembered correctly, Toulouse was one of the routes
Jump to postWhere did JAL 747s go ? They used to have a unique version, 747Domestic They retired them in 2011, many get picked up by K4 for F converison, like JA8089, some get picked up by Atlas and others stayed carrying passengers with Transaero in Russia before it collapsed, details can be found in planespo...
Jump to postMy favourite story was the G-MULL got damaged by a SAM when in Ariana service, before being repaired and sold the B-Cal (where I had the pleasure of flying on her many times G-MULL had a large metal plate repair on the wing (think it was the left side) where the SAM missile had hit when it was in s...
Jump to postThose aircraft were transferred to ORD afterwards after JFK received 744. Later on, one BKK flights usec those aircraft, 742 witf F, they also send them to HKG
Jump to postNo, if RB211-524 could deliver 53100lb in the form in D4 by late 70's, with extra fuel tank in the cargo hold in placee of the gallery, with the same fuselage length as -1 all together, then maybe it has a chance vs DC10-30, otherwise, L1011 is always at an disadvantage. But still, a twin is a twin ...
Jump to post@ factsonly To put the 747combi history in the correct context : The side cargo door option was designed and certified at a cost of $15 million in 1973/1974 and installed (modification) at two Sabena 747-100's during spring 1974. (L/N92 & 95) The first factory built 747 (the second 747-200F !) ...
Jump to postIn 1996/7, BA has twice daily flights on 744 non-stop to Hong Kong, the earlier flights arrive at around 10am than goes to Manila (4xweekly), Taipei (3 weekly on British Asia Airways aircraft) and return the same day inn the evening for late night departure, the other arrives at late afternoon. The ...
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