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by Stitch
Sun May 16, 2021 9:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I’m just saying that what decision Boeing makes about the standard config. Passenger comfort will be second thought Well even Boeing is starting to realize that airlines don't always have passenger comfort in mind and are addressing that to some effect by allowing for wider seats on the 737 MAX and...

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by Stitch
Fri May 14, 2021 2:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

They would get an premium/higher margin over the A321 and have first mover advantage in an segment where there is no competition yet. But that is kind of the point - there is no competition for Airbus in that market segment right now. The A321 might not be the best option (hence Boeing studying NMA...

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by Stitch
Fri May 14, 2021 4:11 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

744SPX wrote:
Perfect opportunity for Airbus to launch a re-winged A322 using slightly uprated versions of the GTF and LEAP-X...


Until Boeing actually launches NMA, I don't see the need to. They would just be spending money developing a plane to secure sales they already would have had with the A321.

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by Stitch
Thu May 13, 2021 10:42 pm
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: Jet engines in the 2020s and 2030s.
Replies: 13
Views: 2854

Re: Jet engines in the 2020s and 2030s.

What kind of "a little extra armor" is going to contain a blade-off event like that? Considering the nacelle of a GE9X can handle one of those massive blades coming off, I would think something similar would be sufficient to protect the aft fuselage. Especially if they are mounted like Bo...

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by Stitch
Thu May 13, 2021 5:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Sounds like maybe UltraFan is currently dimensioned for around 70-80,000 pounds of thrust for use with large widebodies like the 787 and A350 as a re-engine option to replace the existing Trents.

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by Stitch
Mon May 10, 2021 8:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021
Replies: 295
Views: 58200

Re: Boeing 777X Testing/Production Thread - 2021

Western727 wrote:
Thank you, Polot. That makes a lot of sense. I didn't know 779s with only 4 sets of doors existed, either.


You only need the fifth door if you intend to have more than 440 seats. Adding the fifth door allows up to 495 seats.

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by Stitch
Mon May 10, 2021 8:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 105
Views: 31149

Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

I doubt it would show as unidentified on Boeing's public orders page if the USAF had taken it. honestly it makes perfect sense because 1- OPSEC 2- Something that the public wouldn't know about until after it has happened. The E-4B replacement program is not a "black project" so a purchase...

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by Stitch
Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing aims to evenly spilt narrowbody aircraft market share
Replies: 234
Views: 18776

Re: Boeing aims to evenly spilt narrowbody aircraft market share

There is a fallacy that Boeing is not capital constrained, or that it may not have issues raising capital for a new program. Take a $15-20B loan/bond on top of the current debt and this company is done. Yet, this is what they need to do. Well evidently the capital markets are dumb enough to allow B...

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by Stitch
Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:38 pm
Forum: Travel, Polls & Preferences
Topic: A few questions about Boeing's old rumor 757-Plus and 767X
Replies: 3
Views: 526

Re: A few questions about Boeing's old rumor 757-Plus and 767X

Regarding the "757-Plus", best guess based on aerospace media reports is that Boeing has added a third member to the proposed NMA family - NMA-5 - which will seat around 225 in two classes and would be sized around the A321-200/757-200 with a maximum range of around 5000nm. We've been disc...

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by Stitch
Wed Apr 21, 2021 7:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 105
Views: 31149

Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

Not sure what date you would consider it ‘first delivered’ since it’s an NTU (no snark, just wondering if there was a contractual date or something because my memory doesn’t go back that far lol). A7-HHE (LN1439) seems to be the first 748i/BBJ delivered, while 9K-GAA is the earliest 748i/BBJ based ...

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by Stitch
Wed Apr 21, 2021 4:29 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

If they can't pay for airports, they also can't pay for airplanes. Personally I think it'll all end up in tears for the Chinese. They'll keep making lots of loans that won't get repaid. They'll have lots of influence over a really poor and unstable place. It might help secure raw materials, but tha...

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by Stitch
Wed Apr 21, 2021 3:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

China will now be the future big player number three. At least for their own domestic aircraft requirements. Quite relevant for the 737 market. Because, of course, Airbus doesn't sell, much less assemble, A320s in China. :) Seriously, COMAC will be a threat, especially for Chinese domestic operatio...

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by Stitch
Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Again IMU the A350XWB was a bit of stealth project. Everybody talked up the disadvantages vs the Dreamliner ( to be made from goldplated promises, unbeatable :-) What the pundits missed was that it really targeted bigger fish. IMU, the failure of the A340NG to find any serious customer interest and...

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by Stitch
Mon Apr 19, 2021 6:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I wonder how much wider you would have to go than the MC-21's fuselage to do 2-2-2. There may be a sweet spot where it would be viable against a spacious 3-3 like the -21 because of the massive decrease in turnaround times (assuming the fuselage is on the longer side). Using the McDonnel-Douglas DC...

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by Stitch
Mon Apr 19, 2021 5:56 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I thought the NMA-6 was 225 seats and 5K range. The NMA-7 was 265 seats and 4.5K range, presumably a 6m stretch trading for 500 nm less range. Has Boeing indicated what the NMA-5 is? Calhoun says a closer competitor to the A321. That could be 200 seats and 4K range with a smaller engine and wing th...

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by Stitch
Mon Apr 19, 2021 2:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 777 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 193
Views: 50277

Re: Boeing 777 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

seahawks7757 wrote:
Wait, that's the last 77W ever? Truthfully I'm shocked at that. Thought they still had a few more on the books


There are outstanding orders for Pakistan International Airlines, but it is presumed they will not take delivery so Boeing will not build them.

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by Stitch
Thu Apr 15, 2021 4:11 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Boeing can't offer "just another NB craft" and make it stick that this offer is so much better than an A321xyz. And yet we have posters suggesting they do just that.... :scratchchin: Boeing might finish with a turnabout like on the Sonic Cruiser and just carry over the "Super Duper&q...

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by Stitch
Thu Apr 15, 2021 2:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

keesje wrote:
A NMA OEW of 72t is an ambitious target, if it was much lighter Boeing would have specified lower thrust engines.


I would expect MTOW has a much greater impact in gauging engine thrust than OEW.

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by Stitch
Wed Apr 14, 2021 7:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

While I agree that in 40 years much has changed, the weight differences are not that much on OEW when comparing old vs new (A330NEOvs787 or 737vsA220). When looking at the differences, 10% seems quite ambitious already... The A350-1000 is not as large as the 777-300ER, but still generally can hold ...

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by Stitch
Wed Apr 14, 2021 5:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

(I assumed a NMA 72t OEW, because Boeing send out an RFQ for 45-52k lbs engines. The 3900NM, 767-200 weighed 80t.. 72t OEW is an ambitious assumption.) It is sounding like NMA will not be a clone of the 767 in terms of dimension and modern design and production (3D printing, new materials) can redu...

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by Stitch
Wed Apr 14, 2021 2:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Airbus and Boeing 2021 orders
Replies: 84
Views: 16889

Re: Airbus and Boeing 2021 orders

Oh that’s strange, they have a lot of 737-800’s that will eventually need replacing! That they have kept their options implies they are still interested in the MAX as a replacement for those frames, but I expect due to COVID their current traffic does not support expansion, which is what the orders...

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by Stitch
Wed Apr 14, 2021 12:04 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

1. Boeing got it right with the 777 because of how smooth the launch went. They got it right with the 777 because they spent twice as much as they planned. And they still had a production meltdown in 1997 and there are claims the program might have gone into a Forward Loss position during that time...

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by Stitch
Tue Apr 13, 2021 11:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

But the A321 can also field the GTF and GTF and LEAP will see PiPs in the 2020ies. Well Pratt has been willing to offer GTF for multiple OEM platforms so no reason they could not also offer it on NMA. Pratt says it can scale so they should be able to create a GTF dimensioned for NMA and that would ...

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by Stitch
Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:32 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Bigger with an advance of a half-generation in tech suggests to me something bigger than LEAP-1A and sized for the needs of the platform, rather than a throttle pushed LEAP-1A. Okay - then a LEAP-2B incorporating GE9X technology and a larger fan would give NMA-5 a propulsive advantage over the A321...

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by Stitch
Tue Apr 13, 2021 3:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I have been hard on Boeing for not planning ahead on the narrow body segment, having a board that could not get the culture right and after getting it right with the 777 and 787, losing focus. Except Boeing's Board did not get it right on the 777 when you take into account how expensive the launch ...

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by Stitch
Tue Apr 13, 2021 2:49 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Is the 3000-5000nm stage length that interesting? Overall? I do not believe it will be, but I am skeptical NMA-5 will be better than the 737-10 and A321-200neo at shorter (sub-2000nm) ranges. That being said, I could be wrong - a much newer wing than the A321 and 737-10 at 38m could provide a signi...

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by Stitch
Tue Apr 13, 2021 4:48 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

How big/capable are you assuming -6/7 are? Just for easy dimensioning, I figured 45m for NMA-5, 50m for NMA-6 and 55m for NMA-7. Start at 240 for NMA-5 and end at 290 for NMA-7 (single class) with NMA-6 in the middle at 265 seats. So the -5 really isn't a shortened -6/7 but an ER version of the NSA...

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by Stitch
Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

astuteman wrote:
I agree. There's no way that the A321 was envisaged to go 4,700Nm at its inception. The question that I feel needs asking is: what would it have looked like if it was? :)


An A310-100?

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by Stitch
Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Hence why it looks more like NMA is just an ER version of the NSA. Except due to realities of not wanting to kill off the MAX yet - they appear to want to do the ER first. But wouldn't a twin-aisle - even a tight twin-aisle - be too structurally inefficient when scaled down below 240 seats (single-...

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by Stitch
Mon Apr 12, 2021 5:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Simple question if Airbus has no viable competitor which airplane would airlines buy, if Boeing does not launch the NMA? I am guessing they would buy nothing and either continue to use older, less efficient frames (767/A330) if the service already exists or not launch new services due to lack of an...

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by Stitch
Mon Apr 12, 2021 3:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

A NMA in a marginal market with a viable competitor sure seems a huge risk, especially when you didn't launch it when times were good. NMA didn't launch because COVID effectively ended air travel in 2020 so airlines didn't want any plane, regardless of it's size or market. But considering they almo...

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by Stitch
Sun Apr 11, 2021 5:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

So... ⋅ Airlines will only order narrowbodies for the next decade; ⋅ Airbus will increase narrowbody production to meet this switchover; ⋅ Airlines will not order MAX, period; ⋅ Boeing should invest tens of billions on a new narrowbody that won't be ready for ...

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by Stitch
Fri Apr 09, 2021 11:51 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: USAF VC-25B News and Discussion Thread
Replies: 219
Views: 23976

Re: USAF VC-25B News and Discussion Thread

GDC Technics has done two unidentified 777-300ER Head of State conversions (perhaps Japan or India?) as well as 787 VIPs so it is not like they don't have any experience in this.

Frankly, I would not be surprised if it was changes demanded by the Trump Administration that put them behind...

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by Stitch
Fri Apr 09, 2021 3:59 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Ignoring reality and going 220-280 seats up to 5000NM NMA seems an even more uncertain trajectory. It's a market that is currently being addressed inefficiently with existing narrowbody and widebody designs and one that Airbus cannot as-effectively respond to without doing their own clean-sheet des...

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by Stitch
Fri Apr 09, 2021 2:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I'd be interested to know how Boeing is supposed to make an A320neo clone that is 10% better"" using the same materials and engines that the A320neo does. The MAX wing is already better"" than the A320neo wing, but I'm not sure how they make it so much better"" that it ...

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by Stitch
Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Although if that does happen I don't think they will share the same wing as you won't have enough range in a -7 or the -5 would do something crazy like 6,500NM. Just like in the Leeham article which seems to show the -5 with a wing significantly smaller. I would expect all three NMA to share the sa...

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by Stitch
Thu Apr 08, 2021 4:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

And that is where I have issues. Wouldn’t it be better if it could compete with 321 a bit more? I understand not every aircraft can do everything but I think it would need to be a bit more flexible than that for the business case to close The 737-10 can play with the A321 on short-to-medium (so NA ...

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by Stitch
Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:44 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Leeham talks about how they think NMA must be twin aisle. 3 family member. With one member being the size of the 321. I think it needs to be three members (45m | 50m | 55m) , as well, since the 737-10 cannot get anywhere near the range of the A321XLR, but it will only be competitive against the A32...

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by Stitch
Tue Mar 30, 2021 4:11 pm
Forum: Military Aviation & Space Flight
Topic: SpaceX - Tests, Launches, Developments - 2021
Replies: 326
Views: 34259

Re: SpaceX - Tests, Launches, Developments - 2021

The next bird - SN15 - has significant upgrades from SN8-SN11 so I expect them to want to launch SN15 and see how it performs.

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by Stitch
Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

The main problem with that theory is China. I won't go into politics but I'll say the current situation is giving off bad vibes and leave it at that. Well to be fair, CASC could have cancelled orders even without a grounding. In the end, China needs Boeing planes to help address their (Im)Balance o...

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by Stitch
Fri Mar 26, 2021 6:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Boeing really corner themself with this one. The Old B787 used to be designed for 8-breast configuration. This would actually bring B787-8 capacity closer to B767-300ER and A300-600. Then they upgrade the design with 9-abreast configuration which bumped up the capacity to A330-200. If they had kept...

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by Stitch
Mon Mar 22, 2021 6:16 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Can’t see there is a need for a further 767 replacement when Boeing has the 787-8 already. Thanks to it's technology, a 787-8 is more efficient than a 767-300ER even though it is a fairly larger frame. Develop a new airframe similar in size to the 767-300ER with the technology of the 787 and it wou...

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by Stitch
Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:00 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

Does this sound enticing to you as a company in Italy or in Japan to become risk-sharing partner for a NMA test run that Boeing is "publicly known" not to be hugely interested in and is doing it mainly for the purpose of learning stuff so that Boeing can then make loads of money on NSA? D...

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by Stitch
Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:19 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

So, Boeing is going to have a $15 Billion plus, clean sheet NMA test run so that they are better equipped to build the NSA? Why not? Single-aisle is where Airbus and Boeing really make their money and if demand returns to 100+ frames a month as it was trending towards before COVID then Boeing certa...

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by Stitch
Fri Mar 19, 2021 12:22 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

I find it highly improbable Boeing would be interested in a sole source with RR for a widebody (or any type) at this point. Especially for ultrafan which is bound to have teething problems. Perhaps we will see a "period of exclusivity" like GE and Airbus agreed to for the "A350 Mk. I...

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by Stitch
Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:55 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

[Build a plane that replaces the MAX assuming that there are advances made when it comes to engine tech. And there in lies the problem - there is no current advances in engine tech available. At least ones, Airbus cannot put on the A320. So a "MAX replacement" would be a "Boeing A320...

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by Stitch
Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

With respect to next-gen aircraft, it's pretty clear even 787 generation cockpit tech is not passing muster with the regulators as-is. I wish to neither drag this thread off-topic nor be accused of "Airbus vs. Boeing" flame-baiting, but are you saying that Boeing needs to adopt Airbus' co...

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by Stitch
Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:45 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021
Replies: 105
Views: 31149

Re: Boeing 747 Production/Delivery Thread - 2021

I doubt it would show as unidentified on Boeing's public orders page if the USAF had taken it. I would have thought that Boeing would comply with any national security request to keep the secret. Such purchases would have already been part of the Public Record as part of whatever Defense Authorizat...

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by Stitch
Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

If Boeing was very close to launching NMA in 2019, then they might have a lot of the legwork already done and the focus now would be on cockpit design to meet new regulations / guidelines and that is why they feel they can hit a 2030 date. It also seems that the model line-up is being simplified, wi...

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by Stitch
Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:40 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane
Replies: 1789
Views: 182853

Re: Boeing CEO's Comments On Their Next Airplane

As the MoM target market gets eaten from below (by the longer ranged 321s and maybe a longer legged MAX) and is pressured from above by the 787/330neo, I wonder if Boeing realizes that what's left might not justify an all new airplane, but is a hole where they could sell what I'll call a 767-3.5neo...

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