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by osupoke07
Thu Apr 18, 2019 1:08 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type
Replies: 74
Views: 11001

Re: AA S19 Departures By Hub And Aircraft Type

SJPBR wrote:
JFK? Not even 100 departures?



AA has reduced their summer schedule to coincide with the runway reconstruction. It's likely, but not 100% certain, that all of the reductions will come back in the fall.

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by osupoke07
Fri Apr 12, 2019 12:39 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest customers unhappy about growing cancellations
Replies: 78
Views: 13183

Re: Southwest customers unhappy about growing cancellations

Southwest made their bed by arm-twisting Boeing to build the MAX, now is their time to lie in it. Completely and utterly false. I spoke to a Boeing engineer at length about this and his comment was “the rumor that just won’t die”. The first and last time WN insisted on any major design changes was ...

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by osupoke07
Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:34 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?
Replies: 354
Views: 68884

Re: Boeing 737 replacement, back on the table in summer 2019?

If they Base NSA on NMA(same 7W Fuselage, Nose, systems - different wingbox/wing/gear/tai)l it's totally doable by 2027/2028 when new technology engines should be available - it shouldn't be that hard to extend the backlog until then. My hunch all along is that NSA and NMA will be functionally the ...

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by osupoke07
Tue Apr 09, 2019 6:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines/Qantas Joint Venture Approved
Replies: 151
Views: 21508

Re: American Airlines/Qantas Joint Venture Approval?

It wasn’t denied, they pulled the application before it was formally denied or approved with conditions they didn’t like. We don’t know which. Either way, no formal decision was rendered. Uhh I believe that was the 2015/16 JV. They resubmitted one in 2018. That person was responding to the previous...

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by osupoke07
Tue Apr 09, 2019 11:50 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: EK and London
Replies: 64
Views: 10241

Re: EK and London

Will be interesting to see how it plays out in the long-term as my educated guess is that at 6 daily flights LHR is maxed out as far as sensibly feeding the DXB hub is concerned. So unless they will run a flight more or less with identical timings of an existing flight or are happy to add a frequen...

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by osupoke07
Mon Mar 11, 2019 11:35 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
Replies: 5474
Views: 718623

Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

musicrab wrote:
(thought it was paying subscribers only - explains the carp that's around)


That changed a long time ago when they updated the forum software.

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by osupoke07
Thu Mar 07, 2019 10:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2019
Replies: 720
Views: 121109

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

I think you are pretty spot on, except the 773's will have low cycles..I think they will squeeze 20-22, maybe even 25 years as those will back fill on some 772 routes as they go out the door later on, all filled in with 779's or more 789's. once all said and done, I'd expect AA to go far around 75-...

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by osupoke07
Wed Mar 06, 2019 8:42 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2019
Replies: 720
Views: 121109

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Is it feasible that we could, in maybe 10 years, see AA with the following as a greatly simplified fleet? A320 (319, 321, 321neo) B737 (-800, -8Max) B777 (-300ER) B787 (-8, -9) No more 190, S80, 757, 767, 772, 320, 330. I guess its possible that we could see new additions in that time frame? A220, ...

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by osupoke07
Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:27 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest get final authorization from FAA to begin Hawaii service
Replies: 341
Views: 43159

Re: Southwest get final authorization from FAA to begin Hawaii service

Based on the press release, the $49 one way fares are only bookable today and tomorrow. I'm guessing the fares are going to jump up quite a bit on March 6, but this will give WN enough positive press for the market entry.

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by osupoke07
Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:54 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Considering A Return to India + Africa Routes
Replies: 192
Views: 25035

Re: AA Considering A Return to India + Africa Routes

That was due to canceling the A350 order IMHO. I had thought AA were supposedly right on the cusp of ordering used 77L's to operate the route per a slew of posts like this one . First of all you don’t order used planes, you either buy them from the previous owner or lease them from a lessor. Two AA...

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by osupoke07
Sat Mar 02, 2019 3:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest get final authorization from FAA to begin Hawaii service
Replies: 341
Views: 43159

Re: Southwest get final authorization from FAA to begin Hawaii service

Interesting that after all the fuss about what could replace the 717 because of engine overheating, WN is going to do it with 737 8s, both NG and MAX, and what is further ironic they will all be ETOPS planes. Per the article a three day rotation - fly to Hawaii one day, inter-island hops the next, ...

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by osupoke07
Fri Feb 22, 2019 12:16 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: US DOT awards Haneda slots
Replies: 786
Views: 137871

Re: US-Japan agree on additional Haneda slots; DOT to allocate

But most significantly, United’s U.S. point-of-sale passengers traveling to Tokyo have a demonstrated preference for flying to Haneda. United consumers’ preference for Haneda is evident from examining what happened when United switched one of its two daily San FranciscoNarita flights to San Francis...

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by osupoke07
Wed Feb 20, 2019 7:07 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread
Replies: 369
Views: 79906

Re: American Airlines Sets Retirement Date for MD-80s

As mentioned above last flights in system for MD-80s are all on Sept. 3, 2019. A parade of about a dozen MD-80 flights arriving DFW just after 21:00 with the last MD-80 flight scheduled to arrive at 21:18 MKE-DFW. Interesting. So no final farewell then? Just a bring them all back to DFW at once, th...

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by osupoke07
Tue Feb 19, 2019 12:37 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA and the A321NEO
Replies: 48
Views: 10901

Re: AA and the A321NEO

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_West_Airlines

AW -> US -> AA
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Boof02671 wrote:
Who’s American West? Lol


It's essentially the current iteration of American Airlines. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America_West_Airlines

AW -> US -> AA

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by osupoke07
Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:39 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Emirates' Business Model without the A380?
Replies: 107
Views: 16651

Re: Emirates' Business Model without the A380?

My guess is that EK already knows which routes really support the A380's capacity and which ones actually benefit from bars and showers. My bet is that EK operates their owned A380 for 20-25 years and that DBX-LHR is one of the last routes that sees the type. They just have so much capacity into LH...

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by osupoke07
Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:33 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: WN 8725 KOAK - PHNL She's on her way!
Replies: 456
Views: 47839

Re: Updated: WN 8725 KOAK - PHNL She's on her way!

So spin going around that 11 years ago on April 2 2008 WN codeshare partner the original Hawaii low fare leader ATA filed for chapter 11 and shutdown on April 3 2008. 11 years Later on Big Wednesday (Surfer Talk) April 3 2019 WN will be surfing the low fares back into Hawaii with the first 11 New S...

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by osupoke07
Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: WN 8725 KOAK - PHNL She's on her way!
Replies: 456
Views: 47839

Re: Updated: WN 8725 KOAK - PHNL She's on her way!

So spin going around that 11 years ago on April 2 2008 WN codeshare partner the original Hawaii low fare leader ATA filed for chapter 11 and shutdown on April 3 2008. 11 years Later on Big Wednesday (Surfer Talk) April 3 2019 WN will be surfing the low fares back into Hawaii with the first 11 New S...

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by osupoke07
Fri Feb 15, 2019 6:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021
Replies: 870
Views: 104932

Re: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021

Who really cares? The A380 has been in service for over ten years and could be in service another 20-25. Those changes will be well used. ** shrug ** "Who cares"? Well tens of millions were spent building out an infrastructure that was billed as the future of aviation not a 10-20 year tem...

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by osupoke07
Thu Feb 14, 2019 12:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021
Replies: 870
Views: 104932

Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

Just imagine the rudder needed to handle a 100k lbf engine out scenario! Just look at a 777-300ER - each engine is generating 115k of thrust. Or an A350-1000, for that matter, as those engines are close to 100k each. As for a 200k engine, which is what you might have meant... :angel: Ouch, yeah. I ...

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by osupoke07
Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:17 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Official: Airbus announces A380 production to end in 2021
Replies: 870
Views: 104932

Re: [Rumor] Airbus to announce end of A380 production

A380 sales still obliterated those of 747-8i. Which is a good thing. And it is Airbus Industrie that will go down in history as the one who built largest passenger jetliner. So far. Records are made to be broken, and China is a big country with grand ambitions. But ya, for a relatively narrow windo...

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by osupoke07
Mon Feb 11, 2019 5:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: US DOT awards Haneda slots
Replies: 786
Views: 137871

Re: US-Japan agree on additional Haneda slots; DOT to allocate

Also, here's a link to the full instituting order for those who want to read: https://airlineinfo.com/ostpdf103/476.pdf Do you know where to get those regulatory documents on the US governments website? I don’t wanna pay for something that should be free. http://www.regulations.gov Below is a link ...

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by osupoke07
Fri Feb 01, 2019 5:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN to lease 12 new 738MAX
Replies: 47
Views: 8454

Re: WN to lease 12 new 738MAX

Isn’t sale and lease back is what airlines in financial trouble do? Nope. It's also a way of making a load of money! Airlines like Ryanair and Southwest can make cash by buying cheap at the factory gate, then reselling to a lessor at a higher price. The big orders attract the biggest discounts. The...

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by osupoke07
Tue Jan 29, 2019 10:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2019
Replies: 720
Views: 121109

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

Is this also the reasoning behind LAA ordering CFM A319s and IAE A321s? If I remember the discussion from that 2010 big order correctly, the CFM has better climb performance, and the IAE has better cruise performance. I could be wrong though. Since the A319 were slated to replace the MD-80 fleet, t...

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by osupoke07
Fri Jan 25, 2019 3:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Would it be better if United shifted their Newark Hub to JFK?
Replies: 104
Views: 15207

Re: Would it be better if United shifted their Newark Hub to JFK?

Yes, they do. NJT runs from penn station to EWR Yes, I was talking about NJT / Amtrak. Once again, NJ Transit goes from Penn Station to Newark Station. Newark train station is not the same as EWR. While you may be technically correct (the best kind of correct), just because the station is not physi...

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by osupoke07
Wed Jan 23, 2019 3:09 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Would it be better if United shifted their Newark Hub to JFK?
Replies: 104
Views: 15207

Re: Would it be better if United shifted their Newark Hub to JFK?

Newark is actually not that bad if you need to get into midtown Manhattan for work. The trains run right from the airport to Penn Station. No, they don't. PATH goes to Newark train station, not EWR. There are apparently proposals to extend PATH all the way to EWR, which I think are no-brainers from...

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by osupoke07
Tue Jan 22, 2019 3:57 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Would it be better if United shifted their Newark Hub to JFK?
Replies: 104
Views: 15207

Re: Would it be better if United shifted their Newark Hub to JFK?

Newark is actually not that bad if you need to get into midtown Manhattan for work. The trains run right from the airport to Penn Station. I know a person who used to be able to take a 6 am flight out of Tulsa, get to an office by 10-1030, get almost a full day's work in Midtown, and head home that ...

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by osupoke07
Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:10 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B777-9 future prospects?
Replies: 350
Views: 52441

Re: B777-9 future prospects?

I can see QF, KE, NZ, AA, and a mix of Chinese carriers. Once the plane enters service I can see more orders. There are still a ton of young 77W out there which undoubtedly impacts 777X sales as well. AA had their 77W delivered from 2012 to 2016, so they are all still very young. I bet they replace...

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by osupoke07
Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread
Replies: 369
Views: 79906

Re: American Airlines Sets Retirement Date for MD-80s

blacksoviet wrote:
Why didn't AA buy the MD-90?


I imagine because AA made a large commitment to the 737-800 at the time. They didn't really expand the MD-80 fleet significantly until they acquired the TWA assets which I believe was after they made their first 737-800 order.

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by osupoke07
Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:01 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines MD-80 Retirement Discussion Thread
Replies: 369
Views: 79906

Re: American Airlines Sets Retirement Date for MD-80s

TTailedTiger wrote:
Why doesn't AA at least put some thought into the last flights? They operated over 300 of them and it served AA very well. ORD-STL-DFW would be something appropriate.


Could do flight number 1348 as well M=13, D=4, 80=8. I like that Delta did a nice farewell tour of their DC-9.

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by osupoke07
Wed Jan 02, 2019 10:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019
Replies: 1256
Views: 170922

Re: Boeing 797 Thread - 2019

I actually fully agree with you. I really want boeing to scrap this NMA idea and build the 737 replacement with 4 family members , the smallest being 737-8.5max size(as close to 200 pax as you can get), the Next family member 737-10 size the next 757/A322 hypothetical to cover the NMA . Beat Airbus...

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by osupoke07
Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:58 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Dallas/Fort Worth Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019
Replies: 539
Views: 68358

Re: Dallas/Fort Worth Metroplex Aviation Thread (DFW/DAL) - 2019

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/dfw-airport/2018/12/30/dfw-airport-prepares-record-growth-terminal-f-decision-looms I read that article and I'm struggling to see what the solution other than a copy of terminal D is? They already have Skylink built for it which makes passenger connections easier...

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by osupoke07
Fri Dec 21, 2018 7:37 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AS expands presence at DAL
Replies: 228
Views: 30098

Re: AS expands presence at DAL

FA9295 wrote:
enilria wrote:
This is not happening because of demand. It would be interesting to know why it *is* happening. I’m sure it’s a bargaining ploy.

I agree. It's not like the west coast-Dallas market has suddenly skyrocketed. Something else is up here.


Smells like gate squatting to me.

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by osupoke07
Mon Dec 17, 2018 10:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American at ORD--Upgauging and Expansion (or Lack Thereof)
Replies: 13
Views: 2728

Re: American at ORD--Upgauging and Expansion (or Lack Thereof)

RE ORD-BWI, this is probably just an O&D route only for AA, and for those passengers, they're competing with WN (two of their biggest stations on each end), UA, and NK. Almost all connecting traffic out of BWI can be routed through their DFW and CLT mega hubs.

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by osupoke07
Wed Dec 12, 2018 4:24 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA announces SFO-DEL/MEL/YYZ; Expands AKL/AMS/PPT/ICN.
Replies: 507
Views: 71376

Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

evanb wrote:
osupoke07 wrote:
If it is IAH-JNB, UA could always schedule a tech stop at MIA if needed. The great circle route posted above seems to go right over the city.


No they can't. They'd have to remove all passengers and clear customs at MIA on the westbound.


Oh, didn't know that. Never mind on that then.

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by osupoke07
Wed Dec 12, 2018 3:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: UA announces SFO-DEL/MEL/YYZ; Expands AKL/AMS/PPT/ICN.
Replies: 507
Views: 71376

Re: United Airlines CEO to Make Historic Route Announcement Tomorrow (12/12)

If it is IAH-JNB, UA could always schedule a tech stop at MIA if needed. The great circle route posted above seems to go right over the city.

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by osupoke07
Mon Nov 26, 2018 9:12 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Article: AA Flight Attendant Told the CEO: Our Standards 'Suck' Compared With United's and Delta's.
Replies: 159
Views: 24572

Re: Article: AA Flight Attendant Told the CEO: Our Standards 'Suck' Compared With United's and Delta's.

AA lost my luggage on 3 consecutive flights so I never flew them again. That was 1982. Well it's a good thing there's been no improvement in technology in 35 years that could try to change your opinion (/s). I can track the progress of my bag through the system every time an agent scanned it. The S...

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by osupoke07
Fri Nov 16, 2018 9:38 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: WN Announces BWI-GCM, HOU-PUJ, AUS-RDU, BNA-BUR/SJC/OMA, OMA-SAN, ONT-SFO
Replies: 35
Views: 6614

Re: WN Announces BWI-GCM, HOU-PUJ, AUS-RDU, BNA-BUR/SJC/OMA, OMA-SAN, ONT-SFO

texdravid wrote:
I was hoping for SAN-OKC/TUL instead.
That would be a good new route


I'd love for Tulsa to get service to SAN and and BWI.

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by osupoke07
Wed Nov 14, 2018 8:03 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: NK Announces AUS-FLL/MCO/BWI/MSY/DEN/ORD/DTW/LAS/LAX
Replies: 58
Views: 6020

Re: NK Announces AUS-FLL/MCO/BWI/MSY/DEN/ORD/DTW/LAS/LAX

24Whiskey wrote:
VX got hammered doing AUS-DAL without connections.


VX was (IMO) merely keeping a full schedule at DAL so they didn't lose any slots while they figured out where to re-align capacity. But back to NK, good luck to them on their new routes.

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by osupoke07
Mon Nov 12, 2018 2:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: B787-10 future prospects?
Replies: 218
Views: 27654

Re: B787-10 future prospects?

I dont think you will see AA ordering the 787-10 anytime soon. They seem happy with their current fleet mix. Had they wanted them I think you would have seen an order by now. AA needs to get it debt in check and soon. I’m sure they ll need to start looking at B772ER replacements soon Their 787-9 4 ...

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by osupoke07
Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:50 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA MadDog rumor du jour:
Replies: 49
Views: 13810

Re: AA MadDog rumor du jour:

TUL surely will get a final flight of some kind. There is a AA MD-80 at the air and space museum there. Thankfully booked on an MD-80 for Thanksgiving this year. Will likely be my last chance to fly the type.

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by osupoke07
Fri Oct 19, 2018 3:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2018
Replies: 764
Views: 130957

Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2018

I am a Boeing fan but I think AA made a mistake taking delivery on the Max. A straight airbus NB fleet would offer far more synergies going forward. Especially with a network as complex as AA's. For a quick refresher, in 2011, AA ordered 460 narrow body (200 Boeing / 260 Airbus) with options and pu...

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by osupoke07
Thu Oct 18, 2018 2:18 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 3491
Views: 430775

Re: Boeing 797 Discussion Thread - 2018

So the question is... Does the reduced lift independent drag outweigh both the increase in induced drag due to increased fuselage weight and the reduced versatility of a smaller cargo compartment? Fred It would definitely be worth the going oval. Medium to long thin routes usually have very little ...

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by osupoke07
Fri Oct 12, 2018 6:20 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: OKC Discussion Thread - 2018
Replies: 94
Views: 3553

Re: Oklahoma Aviation | 2018 discussion

Not too long ago, TUL was awarded a $750,000 in federal grant money and is seeking nonstop service to Seattle (SEA) on Alaska Airlines: https://www.tulsaworld.com/business-quicks-tulsa-airport-lands-grant-seeks-nonstop-flight-to/article_06dca75c-9360-5c40-ad6c-26e359d94f66.html Granted, it's just a...

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by osupoke07
Tue Oct 09, 2018 6:46 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Air Tahiti Nui B787-9 at OKC
Replies: 25
Views: 5686

Re: Air Tahiti Nui B787-9 at OKC

Judging by the origination point (CHS) and the current weather in OKC, it seems like it might have been a weather divert on a delivery flight. There appears to be a strong line of storms moving through the area. Maybe they made the decision to wait it out on the ground instead of flying above or thr...

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by osupoke07
Thu Sep 20, 2018 8:48 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Southwest, BWI unveil new state-of-the-art maintenance facility
Replies: 22
Views: 3065

Re: Southwest, BWI unveil new state-of-the-art maintenance facility

https://www.facebook.com/BWIairport/videos/295082564652760/ MD Governor Larry Hogan and Southwest CEO Gary Kelly unveil "major new regional maintenance facility" at BWI, as part of a celebration of 25 years of LUV at BWI. -130,000 sq ft -"First of its kind for Southwest on east coast...

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by osupoke07
Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:02 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Qantas saying it is almost ready to select Project Sunrise aircraft
Replies: 1493
Views: 272637

Re: Airbus and Boeing meet Qantas Project Sunrise challenge, RFP to be completed by end of 2019

I'm not sure what the heck any of this has to do with Qantas. :scratchching Just the ordinary input of the BED (Boeing Enthusiasts Department) :biggrin: Back on topic: I think both OEM will show Qantas a very capable airplane. I don’t think it’s just B778 versus A35K-ULR, but also what the possibil...

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by osupoke07
Tue Sep 04, 2018 6:21 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: American Airlines Confirms 767 Retirement Date
Replies: 103
Views: 26142

Re: American Airlines Confirms 767 Retirement Date

INFINITI329 wrote:
If the 797 comes to fruition, I fully expect AA to convert some 787 options to the 797


They also deferred 40 737MAX orders when they made their last 787 order. Those seem like prime orders to be converted upwards to 797 if and when Boeing finally offers it for sale.

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by osupoke07
Sun Sep 02, 2018 10:28 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: The end of the line for the 737 design now proven?
Replies: 70
Views: 15232

Re: The end of the line for the 737 design now proven?

You are probably right about the end. The 737 replacement will most likely be a mini 797. I firmly believe that the NSA will share a common type rating with the NMA 797 and that part of the development time we're seeing now is to reduce the time to market for the NSA model. Heck, NSA may even BE a ...

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by osupoke07
Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:49 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Rumour: British Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon
Replies: 248
Views: 61077

Re: Rumour: British Airways - Big Aircraft Order soon

Comfortable? It will still be worse than on the A350 and even on the B747. The 777X is supposed to be at least 18 inches in 10 across (or at least thats what the plan was) so about as good as a 9 Across A350. With all due respect, this is impossible. The 777X has the same external fuselage width as...

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by osupoke07
Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:30 am
Forum: Technical/Operations
Topic: How the 737 MAX 10 landing gear works
Replies: 269
Views: 20711

Re: How the 737 MAX 10 landing gear works

I'm also interested to see if this new gear will be available on the -8 and -9 models as part of a short field package or a MAX-ER version if the current fuel tanks are not already volume limited.

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