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by washingtonflyer
Tue May 14, 2019 8:57 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Three Class Narrowbodies
Replies: 81
Views: 9102

Re: Three Class Narrowbodies

United Economy PM Plus, Delta Comfort Plus, KLM Comfort, AA Extra. All bigger seats, cabins, perks. One is a class, the other not? Fine! Back office discussion from my perspective. American Main Cabin Extra is the same seat as all other seats in economy (setting aside that one has a tray in the sea...

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by washingtonflyer
Tue May 14, 2019 8:52 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Three Class Narrowbodies
Replies: 81
Views: 9102

Re: Three Class Narrowbodies

Here's a pair of BPs from a recent trip. Segment 1 was an economy class flight and Segment 2 was upgraded first class. The tag "first" appears on the top boarding pass but nothing appears on the second pass. 7A (my seat in economy) was a MCE seat. But there is absolutely no reference to MC...

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by washingtonflyer
Tue May 14, 2019 5:43 pm
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Three Class Narrowbodies
Replies: 81
Views: 9102

Re: Three Class Narrowbodies

keesje wrote:
MCE IS a seperate cabin, with better, spacier seating and additional perks.


Simply not correct.

The following picture should make that obvious....

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by washingtonflyer
Tue May 14, 2019 9:03 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Three Class Narrowbodies
Replies: 81
Views: 9102

Re: Three Class Narrowbodies

From AA's FAQ introducing MCE:

Q: How will this program impact my upgrades from Main Cabin to Business Class cabins?

A: We will retain our current Main Cabin to Business Class upgrade policies. Main Cabin Extra will be considered part of the Main Cabin, not a separate cabin.

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by washingtonflyer
Tue May 14, 2019 9:02 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Three Class Narrowbodies
Replies: 81
Views: 9102

Re: Three Class Narrowbodies

https://onemileatatime.com/american-fre ... a-upgrade/
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"Technically Main Cabin Extra isn’t a separate class of service, which is to say that it’s still part of economy. "

https://onemileatatime.com/american-fre ... a-upgrade/

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by washingtonflyer
Tue May 14, 2019 9:00 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Three Class Narrowbodies
Replies: 81
Views: 9102

Re: Three Class Narrowbodies

Is there a downside with this change? Currently, American Airlines lets Platinum, Platinum Pro and Executive Platinum elites choose Main Cabin Extra seats for free at booking. Gold elites have the choice of paying 50% of the standard cost or waiting until check-in to select these seats for free. Mea...

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by washingtonflyer
Tue May 14, 2019 8:56 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Three Class Narrowbodies
Replies: 81
Views: 9102

Re: Three Class Narrowbodies

As passenger I don't care much were my M+ seat is located., as long as I have the perks I payed for. Does American offer Economy Plus on their flights, yes. The way AA internally handles / names this in their booking systems, as a fair class or not , is something I have no interest in as the paying...

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by washingtonflyer
Tue May 14, 2019 8:14 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Three Class Narrowbodies
Replies: 81
Views: 9102

Re: Three Class Narrowbodies

Actually the moment of booking -is- critical. I have access to MCE seating for free the second I book the ticket. Again, it matters not if I book into K inventory or S inventory. I get a MCE seat. In any event, your image is -horribly- out of date. The 77W has had Premium Economy which is physically...

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by washingtonflyer
Tue May 14, 2019 7:55 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Three Class Narrowbodies
Replies: 81
Views: 9102

Re: Three Class Narrowbodies

For me AA Main Cabin Extra is different name name for an Premium Economy, Economy Plus, Economy Extra, however the airlines brands it. I pay extra for a more comfortable service / product. Just like I would book J. The semantics play no role. But, its not. Its the the same aircraft cabin. There is ...

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by washingtonflyer
Tue May 14, 2019 7:51 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Three Class Narrowbodies
Replies: 81
Views: 9102

Re: Three Class Narrowbodies

Fair enough, doesn't apply to AA (which I'm honestly not familiar with). That's my mistake to not check. If you're not familiar with it, then don't assert it and act like you have some expertise about it. MCE is no different than regular economy and is no different than Basic Economy - only with ac...

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by washingtonflyer
Mon May 06, 2019 1:07 am
Forum: Civil Aviation
Topic: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead
Replies: 811
Views: 136404

Re: Updated: Aeroflot 1492 SSJ100 fire at Moscow (SVO) - 40+ confirmed dead

    Well that video is beyond chilling. The prevalence and proliferation of camera technology really is disturbingly amazing given the number of crashes we've seen in vivid color.

    The 9/11 crashes.
    National 102
    Asiana 214

    Now this one.

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    by washingtonflyer
    Thu May 02, 2019 3:40 am
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2019
    Replies: 200
    Views: 23601

    Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2019

    Boy, Saturday was a cray-cray day at DCA. A ton of miss approaches, wind shear events, and Rwy 33 action. Wind was blowing 320 at 29 gusting 39 at times. Several jets were reporting +/- 13 air speed shifts during finals.

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    by washingtonflyer
    Fri Apr 26, 2019 4:37 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2019
    Replies: 629
    Views: 102338

    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

    $350/MM in negative effects from the MAX.

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    by washingtonflyer
    Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:38 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2019
    Replies: 629
    Views: 102338

    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

    Boof02671 wrote:
    For all of you CEOs, four of WoW’s A321s have gone to Air Canada Rouge, and two are set to go to Spirit.


    Interesting that these six are all going to LCCs. That being said, it looks like from Seatguru that NK's 321s have a rear galley....

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    by washingtonflyer
    Sun Apr 14, 2019 8:11 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2019
    Replies: 629
    Views: 102338

    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

    Does anyone else think AA should / will scoop up the 10 Wow Air A321’s now that the airline has ceased all operations? In lieu of the 737MAX yes, that wouldn't be a bad idea. That would somehow help in compensating for the MAX fleet of 24 planes that has been grounded. I'm not even sure American st...

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    by washingtonflyer
    Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:58 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2019
    Replies: 629
    Views: 102338

    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

    From press reports, the MAX is grounded now until mid-August.

    So, basically the entire summer schedule is now toast.

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    by washingtonflyer
    Sun Apr 14, 2019 6:55 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
    Replies: 6472
    Views: 710221

    Re: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide

    According to Reuters, the Max is off the books until August now.

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    by washingtonflyer
    Fri Apr 12, 2019 2:01 pm
    Forum: Technical/Operations
    Topic: ATC and approach/departure rules for special events (AGS this weekend)
    Replies: 12
    Views: 2036

    ATC and approach/departure rules for special events (AGS this weekend)

    Was just texting a friend who is going down to AGS for the Masters. Apparently there are some rather nasty ground stops for any aircraft that is planned for AGS as the final destination. Some photos from prior years show -dozens- of private aircraft parked all over the airport (and at the regional o...

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    by washingtonflyer
    Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:58 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2019
    Replies: 629
    Views: 102338

    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

    And much of that discussion was predicated on the notion that we'd see the Max jets returning in a few weeks. We're now at a few -months- and running headlong into the summer schedule.

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    by washingtonflyer
    Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:44 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2019
    Replies: 629
    Views: 102338

    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

    AA just announced no MAX flights until at least June 5 . That's good to know. I booked a flight on aa.com from MIA to LGA on May 15th. The seating layout looked like it was the exact same one as that of a MAX, yes in case you don't know, the 737-800 at AA has two different layouts. One of them matc...

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    by washingtonflyer
    Sun Apr 07, 2019 3:28 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2019
    Replies: 629
    Views: 102338

    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

    AA just announced no MAX flights until at least June 5.

    Bring on the Mad Dogs...

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    by washingtonflyer
    Thu Mar 28, 2019 5:18 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2019
    Replies: 629
    Views: 102338

    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

    According to this post (https://www.airliners.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1407771&start=600#p21227973), practically every WOW frame was owned by another entity. AA could take the leases on some - but obviously they'd have to assess engine commonality and avionics commonality. Then you'd ha...

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    by washingtonflyer
    Thu Mar 28, 2019 2:09 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: WOW Ceases Operations
    Replies: 964
    Views: 154010

    Re: WOW Ceases Operations

    Maybe AA can grab an available A321 for use in their grounded Max fleet...

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    by washingtonflyer
    Mon Mar 25, 2019 8:15 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: What will replace American's A333s?
    Replies: 29
    Views: 6605

    Re: What will replace American's A333s?

    Im surprised that AA hasn't started to redeploy the 333s to MIA. After all, MIA was the home of a lot of the A300 lift and the 333 is basically an updated A300.

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    by washingtonflyer
    Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:04 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2019
    Replies: 629
    Views: 102338

    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

    So I heard there were massive hail storms in the DFW area yesterday. Any casualty reports out of AA at DFW?

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    by washingtonflyer
    Mon Mar 25, 2019 7:02 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: What will replace American's A333s?
    Replies: 29
    Views: 6605

    Re: American Airlines A330

    I think with AA's expansions you're going to see a slowing of A333 retirements.

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    by washingtonflyer
    Sun Mar 24, 2019 6:27 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
    Replies: 6472
    Views: 710221

    Re: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide

    https://www.king5.com/article/news/boei ... 72ac4e5fe4


    That may be true but I've now heard AA is expected to extend its grounding until 4/24.
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    Boof02671 wrote:


    That may be true but I've now heard AA is expected to extend its grounding until 4/24.

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    by washingtonflyer
    Fri Mar 22, 2019 1:46 am
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
    Replies: 5474
    Views: 713563

    Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... ords-show/
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    Article now appearing in the Washington Post throwing a little shade on Ethiopian's perceived stellar safety record.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/business ... ords-show/

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    by washingtonflyer
    Thu Mar 21, 2019 4:46 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: Is it time for Cockpit Video to aid in crash investigation?
    Replies: 126
    Views: 8587

    Re: Is it time for Cockpit Video to aid in crash investigation?

    The videos would never be kept private or classified. Once the NTSB or FAA get a copy of it, the Freedom of Information Act would allow any news outlet to file a request for it and be able to use or air it. Wingnut Exempt from FOIA. Congress has explicitly mandated this exemption. 49 U.S.C. § 1114(...

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    by washingtonflyer
    Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:59 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: American A321NEO Cabin Shots
    Replies: 106
    Views: 17725

    Re: American A321NEO Cabin Shots

    Elementalism wrote:

    I dont fly AA. Is Wifi free on their flights?


    Nope.

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    by washingtonflyer
    Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:26 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: Is it time for Cockpit Video to aid in crash investigation?
    Replies: 126
    Views: 8587

    Re: Is it time for Cockpit Video to aid in crash investigation?

    That will mean making live videos of people burning and exploding. Again, the data would only be looked at if needed to aid in the investigation and would not be released to the public. It would be especially difficult for the family of the pilots. It could be of tremendous help with the Atlas Air ...

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    by washingtonflyer
    Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:17 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: American A321NEO Cabin Shots
    Replies: 106
    Views: 17725

    Re: American A321NEO Cabin Shots

    Naked Air?

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    by washingtonflyer
    Thu Mar 21, 2019 1:01 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: American A321NEO Cabin Shots
    Replies: 106
    Views: 17725

    Re: American A321NEO Cabin Shots

    Mind bleach. MIND BLEACH.

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    by washingtonflyer
    Thu Mar 21, 2019 12:53 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: Is it time for Cockpit Video to aid in crash investigation?
    Replies: 126
    Views: 8587

    Re: Is it time for Cockpit Video to aid in crash investigation?

    There were several major rail incidents where it was believed that the engineer was texting while at the controls and one where it was believed the engineer was nodding off. In the Amtrak 188 disaster in Philadelphia, the engineer claimed that he was distracted by kids throwing rocks at the windscre...

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    by washingtonflyer
    Wed Mar 20, 2019 11:02 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: American A321NEO Cabin Shots
    Replies: 106
    Views: 17725

    Re: American A321NEO Cabin Shots

    Where is the stripper pole?

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    by washingtonflyer
    Tue Mar 19, 2019 3:22 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2019
    Replies: 200
    Views: 23601

    Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2019

    I'm not sure why the other pier in what is now the A terminal was removed. Seem to be a waste of space now with baggage carts now parked there as well as some RON aircraft. Seems to me that MWAA could easily add a new pier there for 6 gates. The congestion at DCA during IRROPS situations (thunderst...

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    by washingtonflyer
    Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:54 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2019
    Replies: 200
    Views: 23601

    Re: DC/VA/MD Aviation Thread - 2019

    Runway 33 operations are the most common in winter when you have high pressure systems running from the area from the north. I've landed on 33 once. Never taken off. Runway 15 operations typically happen in summer and are IIRC associated with warm fronts - often after or before a thunderstorm system...

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    by washingtonflyer
    Mon Mar 18, 2019 3:43 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas
    Replies: 1718
    Views: 381205

    Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

    My main concern with cameras recording the cockpit would be that people perform differently when under direct surveillance; whether or not they think the film will ever be watched. Audio is a little less intrusive. While a desk jockey isn’t responsible for hundreds of lives at a time; you would lik...

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    by washingtonflyer
    Mon Mar 18, 2019 11:42 am
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas
    Replies: 1718
    Views: 381205

    Re: Atlas Air 3591 Down in Trinity Bay, Texas

    With the advancement of cheap memory and cheap/inconspicuous camera technology, I wonder if, in the near future, we should start discussing a video recorder in the cockpit with a third black box - the cockpit video recorder. The cockpit voice recorder would become the cockpit audio recorder ("C...

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    by washingtonflyer
    Thu Mar 14, 2019 10:18 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi Q1 2019
    Replies: 5474
    Views: 713563

    Re: Ethiopian Airlines 737MAX crashes enroute to Nairobi

    The Asiana 214 crew had over 25,000 hours of flight time among the three of them but that didn't prevent them from pancaking a 777 onto the threshold at SFO.....

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    by washingtonflyer
    Thu Mar 14, 2019 5:05 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: Will MAX grounding delay AA MD-80 retirements AGAIN?
    Replies: 114
    Views: 16404

    Re: Will MAX grounding delay AA MD-80 retirements AGAIN?

    MDGLongBeach wrote:
    oldannyboy wrote:
    Delta is bringing back the DC-9.


    Assuming this is a joke, but have a link for proof of in some case this is true?


    Why would they bring anything back? They don't currently fly the MAX....

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    by washingtonflyer
    Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:31 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2019
    Replies: 629
    Views: 102338

    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

    One other glitch is that several "OASISed" 738s have been taken out of service owing to poorly installed overhead bins. How many of these have returned? On top of that, I heard that 35 or so AA jets had to be taken out of service at DFW when some 70+ mph wind gusts ripped through the Metro...

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    by washingtonflyer
    Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:30 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: Will MAX grounding delay AA MD-80 retirements AGAIN?
    Replies: 114
    Views: 16404

    Re: Will MAX grounding delay AA MD-80 retirements AGAIN?

    With one ferried to Roswell last Tuesday.

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    by washingtonflyer
    Thu Mar 14, 2019 4:28 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: AA Fleet Updates - 2019
    Replies: 629
    Views: 102338

    Re: AA Fleet Updates - 2019

    Well, there was a MD83 ferried to Roswell last Tuesday......

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    by washingtonflyer
    Thu Mar 14, 2019 3:12 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: Returning jets from the graveyard after a fleet grounding
    Replies: 33
    Views: 10493

    Re: Returning jets from the graveyard after a fleet grounding

    Aww...what a cute little baby plane!

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    by washingtonflyer
    Thu Mar 14, 2019 12:54 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: Returning jets from the graveyard after a fleet grounding
    Replies: 33
    Views: 10493

    Re: Returning jets from the graveyard after a fleet grounding

    blacksoviet wrote:
    Boof02671 wrote:
    No they usually take a commercial flight back.

    How do they get from the graveyard to the commercial airport?


    Pilot a ground vehicle (also known as a car)?

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    by washingtonflyer
    Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:36 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: B737MAX Grounded Worldwide Q1 2019
    Replies: 6472
    Views: 710221

    Re: Should airline regulators consider grounding B737 MAX series

    Just announced on ABC - grounded.

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    by washingtonflyer
    Wed Mar 13, 2019 6:23 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: Returning jets from the graveyard after a fleet grounding
    Replies: 33
    Views: 10493

    Re: Returning jets from the graveyard after a fleet grounding

    It would take months to bring the MD80s back almost all would need a heavy check, and none will be ADS-B compliant. It wouldn't happen. Would that be true of a MD-80 that was flown there, say, last week? One was flown to ROS last Tuesday (provided it hasn't been turned to beer cans already and isn'...

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    by washingtonflyer
    Wed Mar 13, 2019 5:53 pm
    Forum: Civil Aviation
    Topic: Returning jets from the graveyard after a fleet grounding
    Replies: 33
    Views: 10493

    Re: Returning jets from the graveyard after a fleet grounding

    Be aware, AA was already dealing with a MAX issue owning to improperly installed bins which necessitated several MAX-8s being taken out of service. I thought this affected the 738NG fleet, not the 7M8 MAX fleet? Yah, you're right. My bad. Wonder if the seriousness of groundings is making this topic...

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