69 built, after SAS retires their last 3 there will be 30 left: WestJet 13, Janet 6, Tunisair 6, Air Algerie 5. It is sort of ironic that when SAS bought the B736 instead of the MD95 (B717) it was a major blow to the latter program, yet there are more B717s still in front-line service today. SAS ne...Jump to post
Why didn't Crandall order the MD-87? Same reason most airlines didn't. I remember the -87 at Midway I. They were the launch customer. Nice planes. I believe I heard much later they were pretty heavy for its size. I think it was pretty much a DC9-50 with new engines and some tail modifications. Aust...Jump to post
Obviously DL was a loyal McDonnell Douglas consumer. Yes, a large number of companies were loyal customers of McDonnell Douglas, not only Delta. For many operators, the twin-engined jetliners were faithful workhorses and the durability and overall economics of the DC-9 was also a hindering factor f...Jump to post
Weren't the 146's introduced in the mid-1980's? I think, that PSA introduced the BAe 146 in 1984 and 24 aircraft were part of the fleet upon integration itno USAir. Initially seating 100 passengers, the arrangement was changed from 6- to 5-abreast seating and 85 seats after complaints by passengers...Jump to post
I have a friend who remembers that one of their first flights was in a PSA aircraft but isn't sure what type of plane it was. They said it was in the late 70s (77-78) and they remember the seating was 3 and 3. They flew from LAX-JSC. Would that route possibly been a 727 or maybe a 737-200? Thanks! ...Jump to post
The single MD-82 (PP-CJM) was used between December 1982 and March 1983 and served Belem, Brasilia, Curitiba, Fortaleza , Manaus, Porto Alegre, Recife, Rio de Janeiro as well as Sao Paulo. Internationally, Buenos Aires was served from Sao Paulo via Porto Alegre. The MD-82 offered a capacity for 155 ...Jump to post
I don’t have photobucket anymore, or else I’d be posting the actual image. This user on Instagram created a nice “update” to the current livery. https://www.instagram.com/aeroliveries/p/BrVAsE7gljg/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1x7p7ovkj4jry IMHO it looks quite nice. This ist what I persona...Jump to post
Airbus and Boeing are not the first to produce airplanes in China. McDonnell Douglas had an MD90 line there. That was like 20 years ago. Only a batch of MD-90s were produced, the majority were licence-built MD-80s. After re-organisation of CAAC, China Eastern Airlines and China Northern Airlines op...Jump to post
Believe me or not, there is a risk because of personal fatigue (and many other reason), that even (or because) of routine or/and interference during a few seconds while disarming the door, a member of the cabin could accidentally move the door handle instead of the arming lever. This means, that the...Jump to post
JAL's branding is classic, elegant and simple. They don't need to change a thing. I agree with you. The resurrection of the logo ("Tsuru") was a very wise decision and enabled JAL to go back to their roots. The livery might be "too simple". JAL-planes look like aircraft from the...Jump to post
nikeherc wrote:During certification testing, Douglas broke the rear end off of a super 80. The plane was intended for SAS, but they wanted one that hadn’t been bent. Douglas kept it as an R&D frame after it was repaired.
Not so much a matter of legal as it is practical. Pretty sure legal as well, no idea how you could get minimal aisle width with 6 seats I am not aware of any MD-80 with 6-abreast seating. However, Continental Airlines configured at least one DC-9 with 6-abreast seating and the DC-9 was called "...Jump to post
One thing to remember about the 717 development is the mission it was designed for was short haul. We're talking about an airplane that at full fuel tanks just barely has the fuel capacity for LGA-MIA with a FLL alternate. The majority of potential future-operators of the MD-95 wanted to retain the...Jump to post
It will probably depend on each airline and different types of aircraft. I am a flight attendant on A319/320s and the policy of the company (for which I am working for) normally starts boarding 25 minutes prior to door closing.Jump to post
CARST wrote:F9Animal wrote:So sad! Is there any chance that someone could save the airline?
EasyJet I think is still chartering Jets to cover all their routes.
I often see pilots in uniform is that a requirement? My employer requires, that a crew member has to wear full uniform on a positioning flight as long as the next duty starts on the same day. When commuting, you don´t need to wear your uniform. I think, it really depends on each company which guide...Jump to post
...a.net wants to believe the Mad Dogs will live on forever... My impression over all the years is a different one. The majority of people want to see MD-80-retirements as fast as possible and shape pictures, that any companies who ever decided to operate Douglas-jetliners made a wrong decision. :d...Jump to post
I remember vaguely, that Horizon Air was mentioned (alongside TAT, SAS, and Merpati) in 1997/96 as a very likely customer for a re-engined Fokker F28 called the "Fokker F28 RE Partnership". This modified Fokker F28 would have received some major modifications, including a 1.14 m plug to st...Jump to post
In 1991, there were reports about a potential conversion of MD-80-options to MD-90s. This never happened and the Boeing 727 remained a big part of their fleet alongside their 260 MD-80s. Several sources during the 1990s claim, that American Airlines was looking at the MD-90. This appears quiet logic...Jump to post
What are the average total cycles on the Hawaiian 717's? Is there a possibility of Boeing doing like Northwest did in the early 90's with their DC-9's to extend the life on them say 5-10 years down the road from now? Or is this a different animal because of the salt air and corrosion so it would ma...Jump to post
IINM, the MD-80s were retired sometime in early 2002. US made it clear, even before 9/11, that the older planes in their fleet (DC9s, 737-200s, MD-80s, F28s, and F100s) were going to be replaced by either Airbus aircraft or RJs, depending on the route. It appears, that the last MD-80´s were removed...Jump to post
Yes, I am aware of the "mass retirement" of 20 aircraft during one day about two years ago.
I meant the pace of final retirement of this type. Iberia did not retire their 37 MD-80s within two days or Austrian did not retire their 20 original MD-80s within 24 hours.
Could this be the fastest retirement of a remaining MD-80-fleet? The original post states 20 MD-80s and only a few days are left until their planned retirement. Historically, I can't remember a final retirement that fast among MD-80-operators from 20 to zero within roughly one week.
[quote="redzeppelin"Was the 87 still in the OS fleet then?[/quote] Yes, all five MD-87s were still in the fleet and the reduction of the MD-80-fleet mainly affected the MD-81-subfleet. The original plan from approx. 1992 was to retain only the five MD-87s and two MD-83s after 2000. The sec...Jump to post
Great American Airways of Reno, NV had at least one MD-87. Operated in Midway colors with Great American Airways titles in the 90s. Yes! A rather tiny airline with DC-9-10s, MD-80s and the MD-87. :smile: didn't Delta convert some MD-87s into 88's ? Delta never ordered the MD-87. ...there was no app...Jump to post
The MD-87SR (or any MD-87 with lower mtow Kg-option) were designed with the flexibility to operate short hauls and MD-87s were often used on short hauls. This was important for many operators - flying from Helsinki to Cairo on any given day, flying from Helsinki to Oslo the other day. The JT8D-217C ...Jump to post
Northwest Airlines was one of the forerunners for the MD-87-105 (later MD-95) in approx. 1991. The rest is history. However, McDonnell Douglas tried to sell their MD-87 to PSA and TWA. So, in March 1992, the last MD-87 was delivered (to SAS) and in 1995, McDonnell Douglas offered ValuJet newly-built...Jump to post
The MD-87 was launched by Austrian Airlines and Finnair with orders for four and eight respectively. The MD-87 was offered with different weights and Austrian Airlines even described their first two MD-87s as MD-87 ER´s and the three MD-87s delivered in 1990 as MD-87 SR´s. According to McDonnell Dou...Jump to post
Swissair asked for the aft galley service door during the development of the MD-80. This required some re-design of the structure, Are you saying that originally there was not going to be a door back there? Or it was going to be smaller? If so that's pretty interesting. I just read your other post....Jump to post
Due to evacuation requirements, the increased length of the cabin has been taken into account on the MD-90. The maximum distance from a seat to the next exit must be maintained and thus, the distance between the hatches of the MD-90 were increased. This is, what I remember,Jump to post
Ill sure miss seeing the MD's around! Anybody remember Midwest Express' nice fleet of Dc-9's and MD-80's?! Of course! :smile: For many years, Midwest Express had 60-seat DC-9-10s, 84-seat DC-9-30s and two 112-seat MD-88s (originally earmarked for Wardair Canada). Later, Midwest Express added eight ...Jump to post
In my experience, there is a tendency of „negative consideration“ about MD-80s. I even refuse to contribute in one big specific German aviation forum to participate with topics and/or news about the MD-80, MD-90, Boeing 717, and DC-9 because it´s a waste of time and there is an approach of ignorance...Jump to post
alex0easy wrote:Far Eastern Air Transport has a few MD-82/83s flying.
Virtually none left in Europe, looking at that list Iran will soon be the place to go to see MD80s! I think, that the MD-80 is (at the moment?) the most widely used civilian jetliner in Iran. However, the MD-80 will probably be replaced by newer aircraft within the next years. Years ago, I responde...Jump to post
SpaceshipDC10 wrote:Of the MD-80s, TW got around 20 of the last built and delivered in 1999.