Even CNN's Richard Quest has described not having the "AOA DISAGREE" Alert issue as a red herring. The problem isn't so much that not having a working annunciator is a catastrophic problem. The problem is: - Boeing documented the MAX as having a working AOA disagree annunciator. All of th...Jump to post
None of that applies to Boeing (in a statutory sense) in this case. People are trying to say they could be guilty of homicide due to criminal negligence. As far as I can find (and the references you cite don't say otherwise), there is no FEDERAL statute in the USA that provides for that type of cha...Jump to post
What you're looking for is corporate manslaughter which, as I understand, does not exist in the USA. Not really, no. Especially not after Citizens United where we've affirmed corporate personhood. In California, one of the dominant energy utilities (PG&E) is on probation and being investigated ...Jump to post
Killing somebody by negligence is also a crime. Why do so many posters here expect others to tiptoe around the issue, just because Boeing is involved? Please find the federal statute in the USA that says this. I can't find it and no State would have jurisdiction. If it isn't a federal law, even if ...Jump to post
There's a difference between making mistakes and being negligent. Keep in mind that with safety critical software there should be processes in place, checks and balances if you will, to catch mistakes. So, sure, designing MCAS to only use one single, solitary sensor input and not sanity check it is...Jump to post
Killing somebody by negligence is also a crime. Saying that somebody was killed by negligence is a serious accusation, one that should not be made casually and without the kind of proof that would be needed in a court room, IMO. There's quite a significant difference between what a layperson refers...Jump to post
What in the world does EA 401 have to do with these two accidents? It was gear light there. EA 401 was an example of humans being so fixated on one thing that they fail to address the other issues at hand. And, to repeat for the tenth time, there is NO “roller coaster” maneuver. The pilot merely re...Jump to post
If the lack AOA disagree message was all that stopped the crew from preforming the proper procedures, just another reason for ET to take a hard look at their training. And I'm not talking about 737 specific training, they need to go back to the beginning of their primary flight training syllabus. P...Jump to post
In the 737NG it was standard. My understanding is that in the MAX only customers (very few) that bought the AOA Indicator were supposed to get it but there was a mistake by the vendor and nobody got it. After the grounding is lifted everybody will get it whether you purchase the AOA indicator or no...Jump to post
Your avoiding the question - so what happens if something takes out all the auto-systems? Would you want to be on that flight in instrument conditions with the state of today's training? Presumably you're left with buggy Boeing instruments. Boeing hid the malfunctioning "AOA DISAGREE" ann...Jump to post
I don't know about the Lion Air simulation but the one that aviation week for the ET crash was stupid. They simulated AFTER the electric trim was cut off but while in the severe our of trim condition. It is not surprising that they had difficulties. Seattle Times had this to say: The U.S. crew test...Jump to post
I'm not trying to hijack the thread - I'm responding to those who keep coming on here who keep insisting that Boeings terrible design is the only factor that contributed to the crash. It's not the only factor but it's the primary factor. Experienced pilots who've been briefed on MCAS have been run ...Jump to post
Last summer I flew DL during a difficult weather period. Their app proactively alerted me to delay issues, allowing me to book (and rebook) multiple times during the day (both inflight and on stopovers) to change (and re-change) connecting flights as more delays at different airports set in. A few ...Jump to post
Has this been posted yet? https://www.theatlantic.com/notes/2019/03/jump-seat-pilot-and-boeing-737-max/585301/ "A new report details the story of an off-duty pilot who correctly diagnosed a malfunctioning system and saved the Lion Air plane one day before it crashed. The story, writes James Fa...Jump to post
When the ESC (or ESP or DSC) activates in your car you will see a ESC warning light but for some reason when the MCAS activates in a 737 MAX there is no MCAS warning for the pilots. Strange as I'd think the pilots would like to know what is happening and why. Sure, you get visual and auditory notif...Jump to post
Anti-lock brakes and side impact airbags "make a safe car safer"™ Despite Boeing's incredibly crass statement, MCAS does not "make a safe plane safer" in quite the same way. Sure, ABS is considered an "active safety" technology and airbags are typically considered &quo...Jump to post
Your last sentence tells me that you believe Boeing is at fault. But none of us have any proof of what caused these accidents. Why were the previous two Lion Airncrews able to handle the same situation? Luck? Mechanical failure on flight 610? By virtue of allowing a computer to control a critical f...Jump to post
MCAS is primarily driven off the AOA indication so an airspeed unreliable event wouldn’t necessarily drive MCAS. An Airspeed Unreliable event is well trained. It’s not desirable or enjoyable of course, but if a pilot can’t handle it, they have no business holding a type rating. Yeah, but doesn't th...Jump to post
I wouldn't be interested in flying a 737Max on any airline that does not have a 737Max simulator. Furthermore, no 737Max crew should be allowed to fly a 737Max without having trained in a 737Max simulator. Which airlines have MAX sims? At the time of the Lion Air crash both Southwest nor American h...Jump to post
The jumpseating pilot was a competent airline pilot. He would know what can and can't be done with a transport category airliner. It would take some extreme maneuvers to put a 767 in an unrecoverable upset. It's not like the kid who got control of the Aeroflot A310. What about the Aeromexico crash?...Jump to post
WPvsMW wrote:If not done before conversion, the AD compliance is done during the P to F conversion. Whether done on the frame at issue would require access to MX records.
A lot of people talk about the "better" times when widebodies were more common, but I really really don't understand this. If you're in Economy, there is no difference between being on a widebody or a narrowbody, unless you're missing things like IFE or wifi (which on DL, you'll have on t...Jump to post
Planespotters (not always accurate) shows around 90 737-200, mostly but not all Advanced models, still in service. Most of them are operating either for governments or into areas with difficult conditions, including unimproved runways. I expect that the 732's suitability for those specialized missi...Jump to post
New Airbus Inside Photos. Farewell VX hello Bland Airways. VX cabins felt cheap, and that divider between first class and main cabin felt like something plucked out of a sleazy bar. That silly little rope between cabins, meant to emulate a velvet rope in a nightclub, made the experience feel even s...Jump to post
PlanesNTrains wrote:Boof02671 wrote:Base wages
AA is $42.39
UA is $42.34
WN is $38.59
DL is non-union
Sonot a tremendous base wage difference - I’ll have to look up what each side is requesting.
I want to make sure you understand I'm in no way taking up for LIon Air, and I won't state my opinion on Lion air (no offense to anyone who works for Lion Air). Were speaking about this ONE incident, US carriers have had multiple aircraft off the runway in the last few weeks (devils advocate) how d...Jump to post
I bet Boeing forgot to mention that the aircraft is equipped with brakes, thrust reverse, and spoilers in the manual. That's how Lion Air will spin this anyway. I know Lion airs maintenance reputation, BUT in this instance the US3 have had their share of planes sliding skidding off the run way. Did...Jump to post
You mean this kind of "extensive security screening"? I managed to go through the T4 checkpoint at JFK twice this week. On Sunday morning someone's pet cat escaped and all hell broke loose. One of the agents walked away as quickly as she could owing to cat allergies. If the TSA is making ...Jump to post
Coming into SFO yesterday I saw winds of 240/188 at FL360. No way I was going lower as there were several reports of severe turbulence and one of extreme (aircraft lost 2000’) in the upper 20’s. So I’m guessing that some the east coast jets would need s fuel stop... especially because CA weather wo...Jump to post
mcdu wrote:zippy wrote:Hotel vouchers?! Damn, even Allegiant gives better service than United.
And how is that? United along with other carrier give vouchers. You are either being sarcastic or lying. Does southwest give vouchers for weather incurred delays?
I'm thinking it will be mostly MD-88's subbing since that fleet has the most slack. Delta doesn't have any crew bases for MD-88s in NYC anymore, and they made a very public statement saying those planes will no longer fly in and out of NYC Airports. Eh? I'm booked on an ATL-EWR flight in a couple w...Jump to post
I tend to agree with that general idea, but not in this particular case. You had two choices: Delay another set of passengers in the nation's largest city, where ample hotel rooms, food options, or even their own residences are an option, or leave people basically stranded in sub-zero weather for t...Jump to post
So unless you need the shortfield performance of the -7 MAX, you will be able to get enough added revenue in the -8 MAX to have a higher profit margin during peak seasons (Thanksgiving, Christmas, Spring Break, and Summer). Doesn't Southwest need the runway performance? Burbank comes to mind obviou...Jump to post
But the ABS braking system does not suddenly start to brake the car if one sensor gives a wrong signal. It absolutely can. I know one person who's had intermittent ABS application at inopportune times happen on the track, and was reading a post earlier this year from someone who had a failed ABS co...Jump to post
Interesting...she flew IB instead of LH on 748 (with F) Not to divert too far from the subject at hand in this post, but I'm surprised that she flies on scheduled service flights. Is that typical for other heads of state? Obviously not the case for POTUS I think the Dutch king still flies for KLM.Jump to post
It sounds like Southwest was too cheap to install the feature until now. From the article: “Currently, the MAX and NG have an AOA disagree light that provides an alert of erroneous AOA data,” a Southwest Airlines spokeswoman said in a brief statement confirming the upcoming change. “The AOA indicat...Jump to post
737NG already has a tendency to pitch up at high AoA without control column input at high thrust setting. There is already a function in STS to trim nose down on detected stall on 737NG. So the margin to satisfy Part 25.203a is already small on 737NG. Max with its aero changes, could very well bust...Jump to post
I would fly WN tomorrow. There are quite a few airlines I won't and a few aircraft I won't as the maintenance doesn't meet my standards while SouthWest's is excellent. I flew Southwest recently, would do so again, and have done so in the past. That said, didn't the FAA hit Southwest with a record f...Jump to post
UpNAWAy wrote:The massive debt was to upgrade the hard product. Are you really complaining about replacing old tired aircraft with a modern fleet?
You pointless bashers are pathetic. Have a valid point not an invalid one.
Airlines: Don't want drunk people Team owners: Want drunk people Not weird Team owners don't want drunks either. That's why there are, for instance, all sorts of restrictions at football games in England. Stateside there have been some pretty well publicized violent attacks involving drunken fans. ...Jump to post
I do notice some of this. On all airlines I fly. I do fly in the front. But, if you are in the back and a non FF you are probably going to wait a lot longer for satisfaction during irrops than the frequent flyers. It's always been that way, and it is that way on all airlines. I have watched Joe Cus...Jump to post
Out of curiosity - Given that there are at least 200+ 737-MAX deliveries made, do we know how many other 737-MAX that have had conflicting speed information? Yes, Southwest purportedly replaced alpha vanes in an attempt to solve an autothrottle will not engage problem. http://www.aero-news.net/inde...Jump to post
So MCAS - let's not forget that it is a good system, when working properly. And the FAA definitely knew about it because it was required to meet the regulatory requirements I referred to. So if the FAA knew about MCAS why did neither AAL nor SWA know about it? MCAS is not listed in the Difference T...Jump to post
Kinda knee-jerk reaction from you too. How do you come to a conclusion so soon that it was indeed a pilot error? Because, while the faulty systems are contributing, it is ultimately the pilot’s responsibility to control the aircraft. Jet doing something stupid on it’s own? AUTOPILOT DISCONNECT. The...Jump to post
I am not talking about genders in certain professions. I am simply saying ... in a life or death situation, in which your life is on the line ... would you rather the most qualified person to handle that situation, or the most qualified person within a certain quota? Let's say you're having a strok...Jump to post
747megatop wrote:Is this the 1st incident where a brand new commercial jet crashed within a few weeks of entering service?
DeltaPrince wrote:Even after over 30 years of operations in various iterations, Sun Country’s public recognition footprint is just not big enough, IMHO, to pull off a sudden large expansion. They are no Southwest.
I flew MAD-JFK on the 346 with the new Y+ last October. For what it cost it was worth the experience although Iberia isn't really much of a premium brand and I'm certainly in no hurry to fly out of MAD again. Best case it takes about 40 minutes, mostly on foot to get from the Cercanias platform to t...Jump to post